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A40:
In Greenwood's case I don't think it's just money or carrying olosho. The boy does seem a bit tapped in the head. He has a lot of maturing to do. As a man especially a black man in the West your rope is shorter than most

I think the club also failed in critical aspects.
he's been in Man United since he was a kid, surely there should be some department for nurture on day to day living or stuff like that. more or less, the parenting was outsourced to the club.
a young boy earning that much is prone to misbehaviour because what else is there to do but live fast?

melodyogonna:
The British government did not even pursue the case. After it got dropped a Nigerian/British crime lawyer on Twitter expanded on the reason. Apparently crimes must be proved beyond reasonable doubt and based on their investigations this particular case can not be proved, audio recording notwithstanding.

Indeed, proving the crime of rape is a very very high threshold.
If not for this live recording this girl did now, absolutely no one would agree with her of she said that she was raped!
I mean, even with the Audio that we can all hear of a rape happening, some people are still willingly providing cover for Mason, now imagine that she went to court with just this recording and even with that, he was pronounced not guilty because the recording is not sufficient evidence, do you think people will still believe that he was guilty??

I hate when people side with blatant injustice.

We are supposed to root for the underdog, for the little man, where is this sympathy for a criminal coming from?

donjazzet:
This statement has plagued the American supreme court for ages.

Are you aware that this statement you just made was the basis for racial segregation in the United States and then Apartheid in South Africa which went on for many years?

That statement is very dangerous, that private businesses should not be legally obligated to offer their services to who they wish not to. You are infact sanctioning discrimination.

White men who owned hotels will refuse to offer services to black people because "IT WAS THEIR INDIVIDUAL RIGHT".
White men who owned cinemas or offered one service or the other would blatantly refuse to do so for black people.
Private Schools were segregated between racial lines because white owners felt it was their right to make that decision.

Since it's their business, they have the right to attend to who they soo wish to, not until anti-discriminiation laws enshrined under civil rights were enacted..

In cases where discrimination is blatant, the employer can be punished for discriminating another human being.

So I differ, laws should constantly be updated to reflect the challenges of the time. For instance I think Nigeria needs an anti-tribal discrimination law.
Recently there seems to be a rise in tribal hate speech with some calling other tribes cannibals on the internet and then some people of different tribes acting out these differences in public like we saw during elections. If left unchecked, nigeria could see itself in a much troublesome society ahead.

@emboldened. I would appreciate seeing the evidence for this claim. Based on my understanding, these segregations were officially enforced and therefore seem unrelated to the current discussion. It appears you believe that I support discrimination, which is not the case. My position is that the other party isn't discriminated against and or no infringement on their rights.

As a question for you, do you think there should be a law that compels a private business owner, who for religious beliefs doesn't support gay marriage, to make a cake for a same-sex wedding?

donjazzet:
Are you saying that because someone advocated for women rights but then fell victim to a particular bad woman, that that somehow undermines his initial good stances??
That a terrible woman doing him bad means he was wrong to have advocated for women's rights and stood up for them like I'm doing now?

His initial stances were bad. In no other field of life are you asked to believe people without some kind of proof. If I accused you of stealing you would request proof, if you were picked up by SARS and accused of fraud you would want to be perceived as innocent.

Why is it when the issue is of this that we are supposed to as neutral observers not give people the benefit of doubt? We cannot pick and choose when to practice jungle justice. You can't lament ALUU 4 and cheer what that Dr used to do till he met his own debacle. I am 100% certain he has now learned his lesson and now knows that just like men women can lie too

A40:
Lol. Nothing sacrificial about being a vegetarian. The Almighty made us omnivores for a reason

Even for animal kingdom carnivores have their use. And that plant you're eating is depriving a herbivore of food.

By eating dairy products and poultry we are applying population control

Yeah, not that I agree with the vegetarians or their principles but my point highlights the point of people making sacrifices for the greater good.
Seeing a freshly roasted and spiced meat with assorted beef and deciding to sacrifice your pleasure from a place of genuine desire to not harm life is indeed an admirable selfless sacrifice. It requires strict adherence and discipline to your personal principles to achieve this.

It's admirable.

donjazzet:
That post came off as you jeering the guy for having advocated and supported women and then being a bad victim of a terrible woman.

he is a perfect example of shoe on the other foot.
his forte was jumping into conclusions, he didn't care for process. it was all fun and aluta.
when it got to his turn, he was explaining processes. the process became a very crucial ingredient he struggled to introduce.
it then dawned on him that life is not all grayscale.

raumdeuter:
Below is Mendy who was tried and found not guilty yet no rest for him even after 2yrs trial which he was locked up

Court says Mendy did not rape anyone yet these banners are still thereand if they continue, Lorient like Man Utd will part ways with Mendy

So what should Mendy do with his life now? Go learn coding or become a pilot or what

That is the world we live in now. Lorient cannot afford to fold. A dangerous precedent is being set in society. Like I said we have to choose if we want to believe people are innocent till proven guilty or not. You can't pick and choose when to believe it. Else you're no better than the backward societies you claim you're better than in the East

This overcompensation we see with marriage laws, fewer and fewer people are having or creating families. Birth rates are reducing and very soon social welfare crisis will happen when there aren't enough youth to replace the aging population

donjazzet:
Yeah, not that I agree with the vegetarians or their principles but my point highlights the point of people making sacrifices for the greater good.
Seeing a freshly roasted and spiced meat with assorted beef and deciding to sacrifice your pleasure from a place of genuine desire to not harm life is indeed an admirable selfless sacrifice. It requires strict adherence and discipline to your personal principles to achieve this.

It's admirable.

No offence oh, but this "freshly roasted and spiced meat" so, in it's life time didn't it harm life by feeding on other animals?
Food chain na joke to una?

ChristineC:
I think the club also failed in critical aspects.
he's been in Man United since he was a kid, surely there should be some department for nurture on day to day living or stuff like that. more or less, the parenting was outsourced to the club.
a young boy earning that much is prone to misbehaviour because what else is there to do but live fast?

Ohh clearly. The boy showed many signs he was going to lose his way and get into trouble. I think it's common in sports when you're an elite talent you get a lot of rope and people are more invested in your physical gifts and not what's up there between your ears.

Every team should have mentors, OGs that these kids respect and listen to to warn them that wise men learn from mistakes of others not theirs. There's too many cautionary tales out there for men to not take heed from. I mean just look at Ravel Morrison. Anything that can jeopardize your freedom and means of livelihood is not worth it and this has to be drilled into these men from a very young age

chrisley024:
@emboldened. I would appreciate seeing the evidence for this claim. Based on my understanding, these segregations were officially enforced and therefore seem unrelated to the current discussion. It appears you believe that I support discrimination, which is not the case. My position is that the other party isn't discriminated against and or no infringement on their rights.

As a question for you, do you think there should be a law that compels a private business owner, who for religious beliefs doesn't support gay marriage, to make a cake for a same-sex wedding?

Well, yes private business individuals acted upon their individual rights to discriminate upon black people and refuse them service and this went on for soo many years infact it was encoded into law at a certain time that blacks were 3\5th of a human and were not equal to a white man, I will also add that Interracial marriage was also forbidden.

As for your question, my answer is yes, but not in the way you framed it, saying there should be a law that "compels" and individual to make cake for gay couples even to his dislike frames it wrongly.

I would rather frame it that it should be illegal to discriminate another individual on the basis of religion, sexual orientation, race, gender etcetera.
Once there is a hint that a business owner wouldn't attend to someone on the basis of these aforementioned factors, the business should be sanctioned. Because that is blatant discrimination and as a society we should seek to be more tolerant, and not to sanction hate.

When you apply that question with another example, you see the problem, should a Catholic cake baker decide not to bake cake for a Muslim because of his beliefs?

Should a white cake baker decide not to bake cake for a black man because of his racism? We have been here before and we know that it is not a good place to be.

donjazzet:
So you all agree that he indeed did something very terrible, then why then are you guys somehow spinning this against women??

Why are you guys defending him?
I can't understand this? You guys see that indeed be was very wrong in his actions but then you guys are angry with the "woke mob" who are demanding accountability for his actions??

You're doing too much bruh. I didn't say Greenwood was blameless and I don't recall defending him on this thread so I don't know what you're on about.

I was speaking on a broader scale about past unrelated cases with the Dr for instance and guys like Partey and Mendy

The woke mob can do whatever they like with their selective demands. That is not my own concern, my stance is if he's not in jail then he should get an opportunity to earn a living the best way he knows how which is on the pitch and I stand ten toes down on that. If he's not found guilty in a court of law he should play wherever he can

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akwesenana:
No offence oh, but this "freshly roasted and spiced meat" so, in it's life time didn't it harm life by feeding on other animals?
Food chain na joke to una?

How is my point not getting across??
Am I doing a bad job of expressing my thoughts lucidly and clearly?

You are phrasing this question to me as though I buy and key into the idea of vegetarianism but I don't. However, I do admire the selfless sacrifice of the act.
Vegetarians believe that man is responsible for the extinction of sooo many animals, that we've hunted some animals out of existence and that part is true but I think that rather than say man shouldn't eat meat, hwta they should argue for more is conservation efforts but if Indeed more people decide not to eat any meat, I think it's also good for them. No one can criticize them. There is no harm done in their decision.

donjazzet:
Indeed, proving the crime of rape is a very very high threshold.
If not for this live recording this girl did now, absolutely no one would agree with her of she said that she was raped!
I mean, even with the Audio that we can all hear of a rape happening, some people are still willingly providing cover for Mason, now imagine that she went to court with just this recording and even with that, he was pronounced not guilty because the recording is not sufficient evidence, do you think people will still believe that he was guilty??

I hate when people side with blatant injustice.

We are supposed to root for the underdog, for the little man, where is this sympathy for a criminal coming from?

It's coming from the fact the club said the audio is not what it's being made to be, coupled with the fact British prosecutors dropped the case. But United saying Greenwood didn't do anything wrong is the koko, you didn't see much support here after the case was legally dropped because we know the club doesn't have the same high threshold as the court.

A40:
You're doing too much bruh. I didn't say Greenwood was blameless and I don't recall defending him on this thread so I don't know what you're on about.

I was speaking on a broader scale about past unrelated cases with the Dr for instance and guys like Partey and Mendy

The woke mob can do whatever they like with their selective demands. That is not my own concern, my stance is if he's not in jail then he should get an opportunity to earn a living the best way he knows how which is on the pitch and I stand ten toes down on that. If he's not found guilty in a court of law he should play wherever he can

A40, do you believe that there are some people who have committed crimes, gone to court for those crimes but have been released on technicalities, however everyone and even the person in question does know that he committed the crime?

I'm talking of street rappers, drug lords, corrupt politicians, white collar fraudulent business men etcetera.
I ask again, do you believe that the justice system is perfect and convicts every criminal who passes through the court system?

I'm sure the only answer to this is NO. the court is not perfect and sometimes criminals get away with their crimes, to which I would now ask you, if with evidence presented to you, you and a lot of people are certain that someone did commit a crime and you owned a business, would you want that person who committed that terrible crime to work for you or with you?
How would you like working with a violent murderer?

nitrogen:
Companies carry out integrity and background checks, some may be okay having him on board since there is no conviction and he is qualified for the job. Top football clubs will want to avoid the publicity that comes with parading him in front of the world every weekend.

Maybe Saudi or Turkey (Middle East in general) will work, but he might be paid a wage that is similar to what local players earn. No leverage at all. Chai, and this guy is so young.

I think it is down to your personal beliefs and discretion. My own is as human beings we are very duplicitous in nature and morality varies from one man to another. Even the people they cancel they are not consistent about it else a lot of people in different fields wouldn't have any sort of careers

I think the negative PR is the biggest issue for United, the eyeballs are just too much.

The wages is the least of his worries now, what is more important is reestablishing his value and staying out of self inflicted trouble moving forward. The idea that a 22 year old should never get to play again just doesn't make any sense to me

A40:
Like I said we have to choose if we want to believe people are innocent till proven guilty or not. You can't pick and choose when to believe it. Else you're no better than the backward societies you claim you're better than in the East

This "innocent till proven guilty" is just a legal term. It's for the courts, never has it been for the masses. Me and you have seen corrupt politicians in this country who went to court and came out victorious. We have seen cases of mob bosses being declared not guilty because witnesses disappeared and no evidence.
Are you saying that YOU as an individual will believe that someone is innocent of any wrongdoing so far as the courts don't find him guilty? Really? You never form your own perspective and judgement on issues with evidence before your eyes?

In this case of greenwood, we have direct evidence that a rape took place and crime was committed. Why won't you apply your own personal perspective to this? What makes you want to defend a blatant criminal?

donjazzet:
A40, do you believe that there are some people who have committed crimes, gone to court for those crimes but have been released on technicalities, however everyone and even the person in question does know that he committed the crime?

I'm talking of street rappers, drug lords, corrupt politicians, white collar fraudulent business men etcetera.
I ask again, do you believe that the justice system is perfect and convicts every criminal who passes through the court system?

I'm sure the only answer to this is NO. the court is not perfect and sometimes criminals get away with their crimes, to which I would now ask you, if with evidence presented to you, you and a lot of people are certain that someone did commit a crime and you owned a business, would you want that person who committed that terrible crime to work for you or with you?
How would you like working with a violent murderer?

Alaye. If the court of law let's them go what will you have me do? Last I checked we are in a lawful society not a dystopian one.

Didn't Cardi B literally admit to drugging and robbing men in her past. By your logic she should not even be a factor today, she should be in jail and a nobody

There's nothing like a perfect system but you have to decide if you want jungle justice or you want a system that does not have a 100% conviction rate. Can't have it both ways

I don't know why you keep referring to murder when that's not the case here. Of which I'd have you know there are many murderers roaming the street and mingling among us. Violent murderers should get the death penalty IMO but guess what? it's still woke mob people that said killing them is inhumane so guess what? if you let a violent murderer free then he still has to earn a living anyway he can or you have another problem on your hands

donjazzet:
This "innocent till proven guilty" is just a legal term. It's for the courts, never has it been for the masses.

In other words, you support jungle justice?

donjazzet:
This "innocent till proven guilty" is just a legal term. It's for the courts, never has it been for the masses. Me and you have seen corrupt politicians in this country who went to court and came out victorious. We have seen cases of mob bosses being declared not guilty because witnesses disappeared and no evidence.
Are you saying that YOU as an individual will believe that someone is innocent of any wrongdoing so far as the courts don't find him guilty? Really? You never form your own perspective and judgement on issues with evidence before your eyes?

In this case of greenwood, we have direct evidence that a rape took place and crime was committed. Why won't you apply your own personal perspective to this? What makes you want to defend a blatant criminal?

Ol boy go and use CPS and arrest him. Don't put words in my mouth and Mafejopami

If the courts that have the final say have thrown out the case what is my concern?

If he's free then he has the right to use his skills to pay his Bills and take care of said girl and their child. If that's your own idea of me defending a blatant criminal then call me Johnny Cochrane nigga I Do NOT CARE

donjazzet:
How is my point not getting across??
Am I doing a bad job of expressing my thoughts lucidly and clearly?

You are phrasing this question to me as though I buy and key into the idea of vegetarianism but I don't. However, I do admire the selfless sacrifice of the act.
Vegetarians believe that man is responsible for the extinction of sooo many animals, that we've hunted some animals out of existence and that part is true but I think that rather than say man shouldn't eat meat, hwta they should argue for more is conservation efforts but if Indeed more people decide not to eat any meat, I think it's also good for them. No one can criticize them. There is no harm done in their decision.

That means you admire vegans 'cause it feels cool to admire them. Not because there's any reasonable thing (besides health benefits, which are questionable) behind the idea.

sod09:
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Is this what you meant??

Is google correct?

TrebleChamp:
I think this is why....

they should allow the poor boy play in his position,
the fact that erikson tried in d role doesnt mean mount will

akwesenana:
In other words, you support jungle justice?

You continue drifting soo far from me. You're basically inventing your own narratives and trying to run with it.

BELIEVING that someone escaped justice and ACTING on that impulse are two different things and worse soo acting sooo violently towards that injustice.

I can see and believe that a criminal was free but to then actively support extrajudicial violent acts (jungle justice) is another thing altogether.

Till today, many people believed that oj Simpson was guilty of his crime even though the courts found him not guilty, but it ended his career and many are actually satisfied with that because a life was lost there. But no one went and physically harmed him.

Now not to say we can't have a debate of whether jungle justice in some instances are not justified. I mean, Gaddafi the Libyan leader was killed by the masses themselves, people who who were ruled under his reign of terror for 40 years.
I know I wouldn't be sad if jungle justice was meted on buhari if he was tried for his crimes against Nigeria in court and walked out freely with everyone knowing he gamed the system but knowing that he set this country several years backwards and cost a lot of lives. Now I'm not saying I support it, but I know I won't be sad, that's for sure.

akwesenana:
That means you admire vegans 'cause it feels cool to admire them. Not because there's any reasonable thing (besides health benefits, which are questionable) behind the idea.

I admire the sheer selflessness of the act.
Someone willing to sacrifice his personal pleasure and comfort for a cause they believe is bigger than themselves will always be admirable. Now whether you believe in that particular cause is a whole different conversation.

People deciding not to eat any meat no matter how delicious it is, simply because they seek to preserve life is a genuinely admirable idea.

odizeey:
Their mouth always run for canceling till they their family members get involved directly.

That's how the editor in tech cabal went quiet when her bro was called out. Someone that would have sharperdly put out one article with sprinkles of lies.

Lol. Those people with their name like musical instruments

Koromone and Funfere

You had full adults behaving like clowns and covering her behind cos na Femco member. We told them she knew about everything and was covering up till the brother himself exposed her. And why? Cos the same babe wanted to perform and impress her feminazi mob by distancing herself from the brother.

Till bobo decide say make e kuku dabaru everything

Hypocritr people always holding people to standards that they are not living themselves

donjazzet:
You continue drifting soo far from me. You're basically inventing your own narratives and trying to run with it.

BELIEVING that someone escaped justice and ACTING on that impulse are two different things and worse soo acting sooo violently towards that injustice.

I can see and believe that a criminal was free but to then actively support extrajudicial violent acts (jungle justice) is another thing altogether.

Till today, many people believed that oj Simpson was guilty of his crime even though the courts found him not guilty, but it ended his career and many are actually satisfied with that because a life was lost there. But no one went and physically harmed him.

Now not to say we can't have a debate of whether jungle justice in some instances are not justified. I mean, Gaddafi the Libyan leader was killed by the masses themselves, people who who were ruled under his reign of terror for 40 years.
I know I wouldn't be sad if jungle justice was meted on buhari if he was tried for his crimes against Nigeria in court and walked out freely with everyone knowing he gamed the system but knowing that he set this country several years backwards and cost a lot of lives. Now I'm not saying I support it, but I know I won't be sad, that's for sure.

Let's talk about Gaddafi.
Where are those who killed him now?
How is Libya faring in this reign of "calm"?

akwesenana:
Let's talk about Gaddafi.
Where are those who killed him now?
How is Libya faring in this reign of "calm"?

Gaddafi was killed by Libyans. They literally stoned him to death. It's their choice.

I am truly disgusted that there are people here who will think to be sympathetic to a rapist and then cowardly try to hide under ethe banner of "Court did not declare him so". Like what the fvck is that? Since when did we wait for a court to dictate personal principles??

Even when we know a lot of laws are imperfect.

Is there any single person on this thread who thinks mason greenwood is actually innocent? I really want to know this? Like, is there any single fan on this thread who after hearing and seeing what is out there on greenwood genuinely thinks the guy is innocent?? Let me know the foolish criminals amongst us.

donjazzet:
Gaddafi was killed by Libyans. They literally stoned him to death. It's their choice.

Nice.
Do/did you support his killing?

odizeey:
I'm not interested in what you have to offer. I'm busy.

What was he offering?

chrisley024:
2 seasons max and the stuff will calm down

Yes that may be true but his career is already damaged to an extent. Just how bad the damage is we will see over the next few months and years. If he doesn’t start playing competitive football soon he will lose all the skill that made him special.

It is a sad story all around for everyone involved.