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ChristoBam:
Lmao, so Newcastle has a better team?

I asked you that question for a reason. Before the takeover, who had the better team?

After the takeover, have they significantly spent us?

When you answer we can make progress...

ChristoBam:
😂AGENDA don finish you. Man skipped the back to back 8th place finish by Arteta.

And didn't Ten Hag win a trophy and finish 3rd in his first season. What're you on about?

Like I said Arsenal has always played good football. Liverpool literally played good football and challenged for a league title not long before Klopp joined.

Inherited the team mid season. Low finish with a process the next season.
Never looked back since then. That's process. Stamping your style of play.

Is it Mr good ebening that was playing fine football for arsenal?

So Klopp inherited a great team? Dey lie o. Forgetting that key players in that squad had left.

It's those nonsense players tha you are calling that made us win against Newcastle last season final. You think it was down to coaching brilliance?
He better wake up and start playing his style.

Is it until he gets his complete 11 before we start seeing a glimpse of his style?

I'm starving already.

odizeey:
Arsenal brought in Arteta 2019, they won FA cup 2020 and started playing good football since then.

Liverpool brought in klopp 2015/2016, from the following season they started entering top four, playing good football till they won all trophies in Europe.

"Trust the process" What process is even here to trust?

Actually, we didn't started playing good football till after the overhaul. Before the overhaul, our football was so negative and we were parking the bus on a steady.

And yes, there was an overhaul which I'll list for you (with at least 2 windows)

GK Ramsdale (Leno)
Rb Tomi,(Bellerin)
RCB White, (Sokratis)
Lcb Gabriel (Luiz)

DM Partey (Guen, torreira)
Cm Xhaka
Am Odegaard (Ozil)

LW Martinelli/ESR (Auba)
CF Auba then Lacazzette (Lacazzette)
Rw Saka(Pepe)

From this list, we can see that it was only Xhaka and Auba(and later lacazzette) were the only survivors in the space of just two windows.

And it was until we did the major overhaul before we started playing beautifully which was around December 2021.(the season of the major overhaul)

NB: I'm not saying it's a must for Ten Haag to do overhaul o, but that arsenal/Arteta indeed did major and drastic overhaul before he could play his type of game

Something isn't right with this club especially since Fergie retired. All the top coaches employed failed to implement their respective styles with top level consistency.

Just flash and pan here and there, a little brilliance today, disgraceful and unrecognisable pattern the following week. Van Gaal tried with his possession football but he nearly induced the whole fanbase with chronic low blood pressure and insomnia.

Even ETH is struggling to implement a style of play. Wahala dey oo.

Ellexy:
Something isn't right with this club especially since Fergie retired. All the top coaches employed failed to implement their respective styles with top level consistency.

Just flash and pan here and there, a little brilliance today, disgraceful and unrecognisable pattern the following week. Van Gaal tried with his possession football but he nearly induced the whole fanbase with chronic low blood pressure and insomnia.

Even ETH is struggling to implement a style of play. Wahala dey oo.

I just want a coach that will get our players running like City, Liverpool, Brighton and other players of top teams. Our players don't press as much and cover less distance overall.

Jodera:
Actually, we didn't started playing good football till after the overhaul. Before the overhaul, our football was so negative and we were parking the bus on a steady.

And yes, there was an overhaul which I'll list for you (with at least 2 windows)

GK Ramsdale (Leno)
Rb Tomi,(Bellerin)
RCB White, (Sokratis)
Lcb Gabriel (Luiz)

DM Partey (Guen, torreira)
Cm Xhaka
Am Odegaard (Ozil)

LW Martinelli/ESR (Auba)
CF Auba then Lacazzette (Lacazzette)
Rw Saka(Pepe)

From this list, we can see that it was only Xhaka and Auba(and later lacazzette) were the only survivors in the space of just two windows.

And it was until we did the major overhaul before we started playing beautifully which was around December 2021.(the season of the major overhaul)

NB: I'm not saying it's a must for Ten Haag to do overhaul o, but that arsenal/Arteta indeed did major and drastic overhaul before he could play his type of game

That's a space of three seasons chief. Not even two windows. That's 6 windows. 🤣

The overhaul Ralf was talking about was not talking about six windows. He said it can happen within one year. A open heart surgery. Will you do an open heart surgery and leave a minor bad part and only work on the major part?

patrickmuf:
I just want a coach that will get our players running like City, Liverpool, Brighton and other players of top teams. Our players don't press as much and cover less distance overall.

I was thinking ETH with his top level discipline and no nonsense approach would have gotten it done but so far we've not seen it on the pitch. I don't know what the problem is with this team or even the club. Whether it's the ownership, the managers or the players or all of them.

patrickmuf:
I just want a coach that will get our players running like City, Liverpool, Brighton and other players of top teams. Our players don't press as much and cover less distance overall.

That's the issue.

Every game is a struggle for us even against small teams.

Well, you can cancel my arsenal and good football from the list sha. 🤣

Leave Newcastle and Liverpool.

odizeey:
Well, you can cancel my arsenal and good football from the list sha. 🤣

Leave Newcastle and Liverpool.

I don set trap with my question dey wait for Chris...

patrickmuf:
I don set trap with my question dey wait for Chris...

we go wait for the answer.

You don't say you want to change the team and go ahead to buy Mount. Even if them give me Mount for free I no go take.

That was where I began to have doubts about ETH.

You can check my last season post. I was in full support of him.

Jodera, one more question. You guys didn't have a pattern of player for two years right?

patrickmuf:
I asked you that question for a reason. Before the takeover, who had the better team?

After the takeover, have they significantly spent us?

When you answer we can make progress...

Yeah, I absolutely agree they've significantly improved. It surely helps that they're not chasing after a particular style of play. And even if they were, the manager would have finished 8th back to back without any pressure while gradually building what he wants.

Newcastle can go for a Mctominay this summer and we won't be surprised. They're only concerned about winning for now. Howe have proven to be really fluid in the type of system he can operate in. He doesn't care if the full backs can tuck into the midfield, or any of that extra shit. He'll make it work.

That doesn't apply to a Ten Hag. For example, Pep will probably finish poorly initially in the same situation.

odizeey:
Inherited the team mid season. Low finish with a process the next season.
Never looked back since then. That's process. Stamping your style of play.

Is it Mr good ebening that was playing fine football for arsenal?

So Klopp inherited a great team? Dey lie o. Forgetting that key players in that squad had left.

You have this habit of twisting words every single time.
When did I say Klopp inherited a great team. The point is, the style of play Klopp brought in was not night and day to what they played previously. Unlike moving from Counter attack to possession football.


Again Arteta finished 8th back to back. If ETH did the same, he'll get the sack. He didn't have that luxury. If Arteta didn't have the luxury in a counter attacking team, he'd try to adjust to the team as well. And that'd likely be a failure.

ChristoBam:
You have this habit of twisting words every single time.
When did I say Klopp inherited a great team. The point is, the style of play Klopp brought in was not night and day to what they played previously. Unlike moving from Counter attack to possession football.


Again Arteta finished 8th back to back. If ETH did the same, he'll get the sack. He didn't have that luxury. If Arteta didn't have the luxury in a counter attacking team, he'd try to adjust to the team as well. And that'd likely be a failure.

The team that competed for the league not long is not great again?🤣

What style did the former manager use and what style did Klopp bring in?

Erik Ten Hag said he's not interested in possession but you guys want to force possession on him.

Jodera:
Actually, we didn't started playing good football till after the overhaul. Before the overhaul, our football was so negative and we were parking the bus on a steady.

And yes, there was an overhaul which I'll list for you (with at least 2 windows)

GK Ramsdale (Leno)
Rb Tomi,(Bellerin)
RCB White, (Sokratis)
Lcb Gabriel (Luiz)

DM Partey (Guen, torreira)
Cm Xhaka
Am Odegaard (Ozil)

LW Martinelli/ESR (Auba)
CF Auba then Lacazzette (Lacazzette)
Rw Saka(Pepe)

From this list, we can see that it was only Xhaka and Auba(and later lacazzette) were the only survivors in the space of just two windows.

And it was until we did the major overhaul before we started playing beautifully which was around December 2021.(the season of the major overhaul)

NB: I'm not saying it's a must for Ten Haag to do overhaul o, but that arsenal/Arteta indeed did major and drastic overhaul before he could play his type of game

It's good you broke this down. Was actually thinking of mentioning your moniker.

Tbh, compared to Wenger's football, what you had under Emery was probably super negative. But compared to what we're used to at United, it's pure attacking football.

I can't remember a match against you, especially at the Emirates, we didn't end up relying on the counter. That's why there's always so much talk about a team's DNA.

odizeey:
The team that competed for the league not long is not great again?🤣

What style did the former manager use and what style did Klopp bring in?

Erik Ten Hag said he's not interested in possession but you guys want to force possession on him.

Obviously, they lost Suarez and other key players. Stop twisting my words. I never called them great.

And Rogers at Liverpool played attacking football. That's the point.

About ETH, I never even hammered on possession football. People called his style of play 'Total football'. Similar to what Arteta's trying to do at Arsenal. It's not purely passing the ball a million times like city. There are just similarities.

But man's leaving that behind and trying what I don't even know just because he's stuck with some players and everyone expects results NOW.

patrickmuf:
I just want a coach that will get our players running like City, Liverpool, Brighton and other players of top teams. Our players don't press as much and cover less distance overall.

After years of sitting back and hitting on the counter. It won't happen without an overhaul. Which brings us to our original point.

If ETH can't get these ones to run like hell, who can?

Nagglesman? Enrique?

odizeey:
You don't say you want to change the team and go ahead to buy Mount. Even if them give me Mount for free I no go take.

That was where I began to have doubts about ETH.

You can check my last season post. I was in full support of him.

With that Budget, he decided to improve on the team's abilities rather than bring a total change that definitely doesn't suit them. Mount was brought in for the transition footie he had in mind. It's just probably not going to work.

It's also a pity the money ETH is spending is directly being compared with the amount Pep spent in his early seasons. No one even cares about how the value of players has skyrocketed recently.

I wonder how much players like Bernado, Gundogan and co will go for in today's market.

ChristoBam:
Obviously, they lost Suarez and other key players. Stop twisting my words. I never called them great.

And Rogers at Liverpool played attacking football. That's the point.

About ETH, I never even hammered on possession football. People called his style of play 'Total football'. Similar to what Arteta's trying to do at Arsenal. It's not purely passing the ball a million times like city. There are just similarities.

But man's leaving that behind and trying what I don't even know just because he's stuck with some players and everyone expects results NOW.

Gerrard, Suarez, Sterling among others. But you made it feel like they were super before he came. So what were they?

Your post I quoted said "unlike moving from counter to possession"

Were we playing defensive football before he came?

ChristoBam:
With that Budget, he decided to improve on the team's abilities rather than bring a total change that definitely doesn't suit them. Mount was brought in for the transition footie he had in mind. It's just probably not going to work.

Same budget he used to buy Antony.

Stop making excuses.

We will know have to overhaul players that were bought to do overhaul. Omo. See recursive function.

odizeey:
Gerrard, Suarez, Sterling among others. But you made it feel like they were super before he came. So what were they?

Your post I quoted said "unlike moving from counter to possession"

Were we playing defensive football before he came?

I didn't. The emphasis was on their style of play. My mentioning the recent league challenge was to key on how successful they even were with that style of play in the past. Mid players came in but the plan was definitely still the same.

And you want to start changing history? Were we playing attacking football before ETH came in. It was counter attacking football.

First match under Rangnick that we saw players press, people came in their pants.

odizeey:
Same budget he used to buy Antony.

Stop making excuses.

We will know have to overhaul players that were bought to do overhaul. Omo. See recursive function.

Obviously a mistake was made with Antony. Which brings about what I said initially before you started quoting me.

Even away from all of that, even with a competent DOF, mistakes will still be made in transfers. You can't be tying it around the manager's neck as an emblem of failure.

We should stop cooking up excuses for ETH. Man has bought 7 players, we should have seen what he is trying to do. If he has a style he wants to play, then he should start the 7-8 players he purchased, and add 4 existing ones to them. He should not wait until he gets 14 players before implementing his style. There is no way we won’t see the ‘total football’ style he wants to play.

What is total football sef? We are on our own.

Jodera:
Actually, we didn't started playing good football till after the overhaul. Before the overhaul, our football was so negative and we were parking the bus on a steady.

And yes, there was an overhaul which I'll list for you (with at least 2 windows)

GK Ramsdale (Leno)
Rb Tomi,(Bellerin)
RCB White, (Sokratis)
Lcb Gabriel (Luiz)

DM Partey (Guen, torreira)
Cm Xhaka
Am Odegaard (Ozil)

LW Martinelli/ESR (Auba)
CF Auba then Lacazzette (Lacazzette)
Rw Saka(Pepe)

From this list, we can see that it was only Xhaka and Auba(and later lacazzette) were the only survivors in the space of just two windows.

And it was until we did the major overhaul before we started playing beautifully which was around December 2021.(the season of the major overhaul)

NB: I'm not saying it's a must for Ten Haag to do overhaul o, but that arsenal/Arteta indeed did major and drastic overhaul before he could play his type of game

Arterta that was cancelling contracts and banishing players to force them out not giving a damn, even though he was struggling to make it to European spots on the table. this is recent memory and facts are being twisted already.
whatever the plan was or is for a new manager, you need the full backing of the board. when you get half-hazard blinkers, the atmosphere won't be right.
I'm surprised some fans still believe the solution is to keep sacking. we hope for castles in the air.
it is not a coincidence that several managers are failing at the club after SAF. they cannot all be bad, and all managers cannot be strong in all areas. that's why football people around the club are also important. Ten Hag is showing a weakness trusting new talents or scouting report for whatever reason. it is the duty of the club to bring it together and say alright you need help in this or that area, here and here are administrative recommendations. a citation at the model that brought him success at his former employment or structures that are proving to be a success in other clubs in the EPL.
stories like Maguire and Bailly are refusing to leave doesn't help. they put these things out there because they are not willing to invest in the team.
Man United can think they are champions in PR stunts but it is a ridicule and more serious minded players will look elsewhere. constant overspending on average players will only provide temporary succour till it all falls apart.

See the 8 signings below. You can easily get more than a spine.

1 GK, 2 defenders, 1 DM, 2 AMs, 2 FWs (a winger and a striker), they are all starters ffs except maybe Malacia. Question is how come it’s difficult for ETH to implement his style? Let see it in the first half, and then he can decide to switch things up in the second half after making substitutions.

I don’t understand why someone is defending this guy. Does not make sense.

Leyqute:

Just so composed ❄️ pic.twitter.com/h9U9C5UsMz

— utdreport Academy (@utdreportAcad) August 22, 2023

Afrodoc2 this is that moment I was talking about.

We were leading 1-0 and it was 5mins into added time. Too much balls. Thank God he’s also decent when it comes to saving the ball.

Harrison plays more high-risk football than Onana. There was one game he nearly gave the MUTV commentator heart attack. Onana might have ice in his veins but i don't think Harrison has veins.

odizeey:
Jodera, one more question. You guys didn't have a pattern of player for two years right?

I like how you are choking ETH but it is obvious you don't really watch other teams. At least you don't watch Arsenal. Until early 2022 Arsenal were playing one kind gbala gburu style of football that nobody really understood. Go and check the posts from their thread from 2020 to 2022 and see how fans were abusing each other, attacking and defending the dull and defensive football Arteta was playing. However, once he got his players in the style changed remarkably but it took a while, and apart from getting guys in he also had to kick many out.

However, 3 points remain:

1) ETH has no excuse playing the kind of diabolical football we have played so far this season. With his reputation as a coach he should do better with what he has.

2) He has to take some (if not most) of the blame for the poor performance of our buys as nearly all of them have his imprint on them.

3) If we don't get a capable DoF we will keep throwing good money after bad.

Meanwhile where are all those people who were applauding Antony last season when he was spinning on one spot like a funnel.