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ChristineC:
Arterta that was cancelling contracts and banishing players to force them out not giving a damn, even though he was struggling to make it to European spots on the table. this is recent memory and facts are being twisted already.
whatever the plan was or is for a new manager, you need the full backing of the board. when you get half-hazard blinkers, the atmosphere won't be right.
I'm surprised some fans still believe the solution is to keep sacking. we hope for castles in the air.
it is not a coincidence that several managers are failing at the club after SAF. they cannot all be bad, and all managers cannot be strong in all areas. that's why football people around the club are also important. Ten Hag is showing a weakness trusting new talents or scouting report for whatever reason. it is the duty of the club to bring it together and say alright you need help in this or that area, here and here are administrative recommendations. a citation at the model that brought him success at his former employment or structures that are proving to be a success in other clubs in the EPL.
stories like Maguire and Bailly are refusing to leave doesn't help. they put these things out there because they are not willing to invest in the team.
Man United can think they are champions in PR stunts but it is a ridicule and more serious minded players will look elsewhere. constant overspending on average players will only provide temporary succour till it all falls apart.

I don't think he trusts scouting reports. He is only after his former players

Android17:
I ask 'cause I'm not sure did this really happen?

That's false

afrodoc2:
Meanwhile where are all those people who were applauding Antony last season when he was spinning on one spot like a funnel.

The ones who said his six goals and 2 assists was a decent contribution, the ones who were trying to compare his impact with Grealish. The receipts are there

afrodoc2:
Meanwhile where are all those people who were applauding Antony last season when he was spinning on one spot like a funnel.

They told us he used spin to beat defender that didn't move only for him to pass ball out for goalkick. Good times

odizeey:
That's a space of three seasons chief. Not even two windows. That's 6 windows. 🤣

The overhaul Ralf was talking about was not talking about six windows. He said it can happen within one year. A open heart surgery. Will you do an open heart surgery and leave a minor bad part and only work on the major part?

Boss, e no reach 6 Windows ooo.
Ahhh!!!

Ralf Ragnick might be right or wrong about open heart surgery but one thing that was certain was that we really did an open heart surgery.

Our 2021/2022 season was really the season we did open heart surgery. If you think I'm lying, compare the squad for 2020/2021 and 2021/2022

odizeey:
Jo.dera, one more question. You guys didn't have a pattern of player for two years right?

I don't know if I'll call it pattern of play but it was negative and parking the bus. Parking the bus at a premium level

I remember how Afr.odoc use to say Arteta schooled In La masia, a native of Spain and was a player under Wenger yet he's still coaching as if he's Moyes

Where do you think Adiete came from?

KingTom:
The ones who said his six goals and 2 assists was a decent contribution, the ones who were trying to compare his impact with Grealish. The receipts are there

Grealish sef get for hand but mehn as a United fan we have to concern ourselves with our own issues. The issue with Antony is that there is no evidence at any time in his life that he would ever be a productive player. I am deeply concerned that neither him nor ETH has realized that cutting in to shoot 90% of the time is a kolewerk mode of operation.

odizeey:
Jodera, one more question. You guys didn't have a pattern of player for two years right?

They were playing rubbish on several occasions that time. Just go to their thread in 2020 and 2021. Even Jodera an Aarsenal fan is telling you that now. Another thing that is as clear as day is that whatever wretched pattern Arteta was playing then it is miles away from what they are playing now.

I support your putting fire under ETH but Arsenal is not the example to use. Arsenal is actually an example someone supporting ETH will use. They played diabolical football for a couple of seasons before Arteta struck gold in the later part of 2021-2022.

ChristoBam:
It's good you broke this down. Was actually thinking of mentioning your moniker.

Tbh, compared to Wenger's football, what you had under Emery was probably super negative. But compared to what we're used to at United, it's pure attacking football.

I can't remember a match against you, especially at the Emirates, we didn't end up relying on the counter. That's why there's always so much talk about a team's DNA.

Tbh, Emery even tried in his first season playing good football even though e no reach Wenger own.

But you see Arteta own in his first 18months? Omorr, you go vomit watching it.

I was having nightmares after each match even though I supported his appointment.

It was only after his major overhaul we started playing good football and it still wasn't immediately sef. It still took around 3-4 months (around Nov/Dec) before we could actually see the beautiful football and it was around that time the charge for top 4 was evident before we disappointedly finished 5th

afrodoc2:
They were playing rubbish on several occasions that time. Just go to their thread in 2022 and 2021. Even Jod.era an Aarsenal fan is telling you that now. Another thing that is as clear as day is that whatever wretched pattern Arteta was playing then it is miles away from what they are playing now.

I support your putting fire under ETH but Arsenal is not the example to use. Arsenal is actually an example someone supporting ETH will use. They played diabolical football for a couple of seasons before Arteta struck gold in the later part of 2021-2022.

Exactly.
In fact, if I was Christ.obam, na arsenal example I go use hammer Odi.zeey wella cos it is a perfect example.

Before the overhaul, almost all arsenal fans in our thread wanted Arteta gone. Most of us couldn't believe he could play beautiful football like this

Jodera:
Exactly.
In fact, if I was Christ.obam, na arsenal example I go use hammer Odi.zeey wella cos it is a perfect example.

Before the overhaul, almost all arsenal fans in our thread wanted Arteta gone. Most of us couldn't believe he could play beautiful football like this

That was when i called him Adete. The days of Torreira being the midfield savior and the days of Pro-Guendouzi vs Anti-Guendouzi. The days of defence wins titles vs attack wins titles. Arsenal fans were humble then. Na me dey come give una moral support and counselling.

ChristoBam:
After years of sitting back and hitting on the counter. It won't happen without an overhaul. Which brings us to our original point.

If ETH can't get these ones to run like hell, who can?

Nagglesman? Enrique?

You keep calling 7Hag l, like he's one world class coach 😩

ChristineC:
Arterta that was cancelling contracts and banishing players to force them out not giving a damn, even though he was struggling to make it to European spots on the table. this is recent memory and facts are being twisted already.
whatever the plan was or is for a new manager, you need the full backing of the board. when you get half-hazard blinkers, the atmosphere won't be right.
I'm surprised some fans still believe the solution is to keep sacking. we hope for castles in the air.
it is not a coincidence that several managers are failing at the club after SAF. they cannot all be bad, and all managers cannot be strong in all areas. that's why football people around the club are also important. Ten Hag is showing a weakness trusting new talents or scouting report for whatever reason. it is the duty of the club to bring it together and say alright you need help in this or that area, here and here are administrative recommendations. a citation at the model that brought him success at his former employment or structures that are proving to be a success in other clubs in the EPL.
stories like Maguire and Bailly are refusing to leave doesn't help. they put these things out there because they are not willing to invest in the team.
Man United can think they are champions in PR stunts but it is a ridicule and more serious minded players will look elsewhere. constant overspending on average players will only provide temporary succour till it all falls apart.

What you said here are real facts.
The backing of the board in the gaffer's plans and subsequent appointment of the rights heads In appropriate places is really essential for any coach's success else they'll just be beating around the bush and sacking unnecessarily.
I'm certain if Arteta was in Man u, dem for don sack am since and people everywhere would be thinking Arteta is a bad coach.

Imagine Ten Haag asking 80% of Man u players contract be terminated (at a loss o) and that funds will be needed to buy new ones. Maybe na that day that day, Ten Haag go receive him sack letter

You people need appropriate good administrative heads and better money to help Ten Haag since he's a good coach else you guys might just be running in circles

ChristoBam:
Yeah, I absolutely agree they've significantly improved. It surely helps that they're not chasing after a particular style of play. And even if they were, the manager would have finished 8th back to back without any pressure while gradually building what he wants.

Newcastle can go for a Mctominay this summer and we won't be surprised. They're only concerned about winning for now. Howe have proven to be really fluid in the type of system he can operate in. He doesn't care if the full backs can tuck into the midfield, or any of that extra shit. He'll make it work.

That doesn't apply to a Ten Hag. For example, Pep will probably finish poorly initially in the same situation.

Newcastle plays better football than we do, yes or no?

Odizeey leave Arsenal out and use Newcastle to fight this fight. Newcastle were almost relegated until they brought in Eddie Howe who worked his magic and they survived. At that time, we had the better team by a long stretch...

A couple of transfer windows, since the Saudis took over have seen Newcastle qualify for the UCL and are now strong contenders for another top 4 finish whilst proving difficult to beat for any team in the league. The key point to note is that we had a superior team compared to Newcastle before the takeover and after the takeover, we have spent almost the same amount (the difference in amount is relatively insignificant) on players yet they have closed the gap on us and every other top team.

If we play Newcastle tomorrow, no one here will be confident we can win. The odds will favour them.

ChristoBam:
I didn't. The emphasis was on their style of play. My mentioning the recent league challenge was to key on how successful they even were with that style of play in the past. Mid players came in but the plan was definitely still the same.

And you want to start changing history? Were we playing attacking football before ETH came in. It was counter attacking football.

First match under Rangnick that we saw players press, people came in their pants.

Which beautiful football were Liverpool playing before Klopp entered? If it's by league position, remember we were also second two season before ETH entered?

The question is were we playing defensive football before?

afrodoc2:
That was when i called him Adete. The days of Torreira being the midfield savior and the days of Pro-Guendouzi vs Anti-Guendouzi. The days of defence wins titles vs attack wins titles. Arsenal fans were humble then. Na me dey come give una moral support and counselling.

Omorr, those days no easy. Almost everybody dey write essays after every matchweek

Your moral support was really needed then, now e be like say your fellow comrades need am too

nitrogen:
See the 8 signings below. You can easily get more than a spine.

1 GK, 2 defenders, 1 DM, 2 AMs, 2 FWs (a winger and a striker), they are all starters ffs except maybe Malacia. Question is how come it’s difficult for ETH to implement his style? Let see it in the first half, and then he can decide to switch things up in the second half after making substitutions.

I don’t understand why someone is defending this guy. Does not make sense.

Even 8 signings sef. And we still can't see what he wants to implement.

Jodera:
What you said here are real facts.
The backing of the board in the gaffer's plans and subsequent appointment of the rights heads In appropriate places is really essential for any coach's success else they'll just be beating around the bush and sacking unnecessarily.
I'm certain if Arteta was in Man u, dem for don sack am since and people everywhere would be thinking Arteta is a bad coach.

Imagine Ten Haag asking 80% of Man u players contract be terminated (at a loss o) and that funds will be needed to buy new ones. Maybe na that day that day, Ten Haag go receive him sack letter

You people need appropriate good administrative heads and better money to help Ten Haag since he's a good coach else you guys might just be running in circles

How much has Arteta spent at Arsenal? How much has ETH spent in just a year plus since he joined Manchester United?

He already has about 8 new first team players without needing to terminate any contract. He has been supported enough to show some result. We're not asking him to compete with City for the league, just show some progress at least. A child they gave birth to since ETH joined don dey waka

nitrogen:
See the 8 signings below. You can easily get more than a spine.

1 GK, 2 defenders, 1 DM, 2 AMs, 2 FWs (a winger and a striker), they are all starters ffs except maybe Malacia. Question is how come it’s difficult for ETH to implement his style? Let see it in the first half, and then he can decide to switch things up in the second half after making substitutions.

I don’t understand why someone is defending this guy. Does not make sense.

My brother that coach doesn't know what he wants and all this players he goes after has played in Netherlands league or the has a Holland agent or the has a past relationship with him very foolish coach when he is ready we will know

afrodoc2:
I like how you are choking ETH but it is obvious you don't really watch other teams. At least you don't watch Arsenal. Until early 2022 Arsenal were playing one kind gbala gburu style of football that nobody really understood. Go and check the posts from their thread from 2020 to 2022 and see how fans were abusing each other, attacking and defending the dull and defensive football Arteta was playing. However, once he got his players in the style changed remarkably but it took a while, and apart from getting guys in he also had to kick many out.

However, 3 points remain:

1) ETH has no excuse playing the kind of diabolical football we have played so far this season. With his reputation as a coach he should do better with what he has.

2) He has to take some (if not most) of the blame for the poor performance of our buys as nearly all of them have his imprint on them.

3) If we don't get a capable DoF we will keep throwing good money after bad.

ETH is slacking. He needs to wake up.

Not that we don't want to wait for process, but where is the process?

Jodera:

Omorr, those days no easy. Almost everybody dey write essays after every matchweek

Your moral support was really needed then, now e be like say your fellow comrades need am too

The difference is that Arteta had other proper football people that were advising him on how to build the team. ETH has nobody to do that which is why most of his acquisitions have been suspect. He brought it upon himself though.

Jodera:
Boss, e no reach 6 Windows ooo.
Ahhh!!!

Ralf Ragnick might be right or wrong about open heart surgery but one thing that was certain was that we really did an open heart surgery.

Our 2021/2022 season was really the season we did open heart surgery. If you think I'm lying, compare the squad for 2020/2021 and 2021/2022

How many players did you buy in 2022

patrickmuf:
Newcastle plays better football than we do, yes or no?

Odizeey leave Arsenal out and use Newcastle to fight this fight. Newcastle were almost relegated until they brought in Eddie Howe who worked his magic and they survived. At that time, we had the better team by a long stretch...

A couple of transfer windows, since the Saudis took over have seen Newcastle qualify for the UCL and are now strong contenders for another top 4 finish whilst proving difficult to beat for any team in the league. The key point to note is that we had a superior team compared to Newcastle before the takeover and after the takeover, we have spent almost the same amount (the difference in amount is relatively insignificant) on players yet they have closed the gap on us and every other top team.

If we play Newcastle tomorrow, no one here will be confident we can win. The odds will favour them.

I've thrown Arsenal out since.

eph12:
How much has Arteta spent at Arsenal? How much has ETH spent in just a year plus since he joined Manchester United?

He already has about 8 new first team players without needing to terminate any contract. He has been supported enough to show some result. We're not asking him to compete with City for the league, just show some progress at least. A child they gave birth to since ETH joined don dey waka

I just feel you people need a good technical director to support ETH sha cos him go still make mistakes.
Arteta at first was the one doing point and kill for players and he was landing Willian and Luiz for us until Edu was appointed and they have to go back to drawing board while clearing their earlier mistakes (Willian and Luiz)

I feel ETH might tow same part if he doesn't get a helping hand no matter the amount spent

afrodoc2:
The difference is that Arteta had other proper football people that were advising him on how to build the team. ETH has nobody to do that which is why most of his acquisitions have been suspect. He brought it upon himself though.

Exactly, I didn't even see this your response before my reply to Eph sef.

The earlier ETH is helped, the better for you guys

Jodera:
I just feel you people need a good technical director to support ETH sha cos him go still make mistakes.
Arteta at first was the one doing point and kill for players and he was landing Willian and Luiz for us until Edu was appointed and they have to go back to drawing board while clearing their earlier mistakes (Willian and Luiz)

I feel ETH might tow same part if he doesn't get a helping hand no matter the amount spent

100%.

Antony alone is enough for them to take complete transfer authority away from him but nobody in the group has confidence or the know-how.

Jodera:
I just feel you people need a good technical director to support ETH sha cos him go still make mistakes.
Arteta at first was the one doing point and kill for players and he was landing Willian and Luiz for us until Edu was appointed and they have to go back to drawing board while clearing their earlier mistakes (Willian and Luiz)

I feel ETH might tow same part if he doesn't get a helping hand no matter the amount spent

But this was one of the condition he gave before he agreed to join Manchester United. I agree with you that we need someone really experienced handling the scouting and player acquisitions, but this ETH is stubborn and a silent killer. He will have problems with anyone that assumes this role unless he realizes his own mistakes and limitations

odizeey:
How many players did you buy in 2022

Ramsdale, Tomi, White, Odegaard, Tavarez, Lokonga

Those 5 out of 6 where starters with the exception of Lokonga who was playing at first due to Partey being injured. Tavarez kept our Tierney for most part till December. So that's half of Outfield players totally changed.

I don't want to talk about the other ones that were bought/promoted by 2020/2021 which started the surgery

patrickmuf:
Newcastle plays better football than we do, yes or no?

Odizeey leave Arsenal out and use Newcastle to fight this fight. Newcastle were almost relegated until they brought in Eddie Howe who worked his magic and they survived. At that time, we had the better team by a long stretch...

A couple of transfer windows, since the Saudis took over have seen Newcastle qualify for the UCL and are now strong contenders for another top 4 finish whilst proving difficult to beat for any team in the league. The key point to note is that we had a superior team compared to Newcastle before the takeover and after the takeover, we have spent almost the same amount (the difference in amount is relatively insignificant) on players yet they have closed the gap on us and every other top team.

If we play Newcastle tomorrow, no one here will be confident we can win. The odds will favour them.

You should also consider the player recruitment department and the strategy of those teams.

United are used to buying stop gaps or ageing players for huge amounts of money. Examples yapa for ground. And when they're not that, they're not the right fit.

Arsenal is filled with talented youngsters who are geling together to form a formidable team. Martinelli, Saka, White, Saliba, etc are decent players who fit the profiles the manager is looking for.

Newcastle bought Isak and Bruno Guimaraesh at the beginning of last season. They were players who are either in their prime or approaching it. They added another promising young winger to that squad in January. This season, they doubled down and improved in that same direction.

United needs a better transfer strategy and ideology. We have to move on from an 'at all at all na im bad pass' mentality to identifying youngsters with the right profile and going for them.

eph12:
But this was one of the condition he gave before he agreed to join Manchester United. I agree with you that we need someone really experienced handling the scouting and player acquisitions but this ETH is stubborn and a silent killer. He will have problems with anyone that assumes this role unless he realizes his own mistakes and limitations

I think Arteta requested for such power too before taking the Job (judging from the way he was ruthless with the players while having backing from the board) but along the line he has to be sat down to see reasons why he needs help.

Not as if the technical director will have the final say (like the way Chelsea was doing) but both of them will work hand in hand in harmony to get things done just like how Edu/ Arteta and Edwards/Klopp was doing.

If it happens like that, I don't think Man u would have shelled out 60m to buy old man casemiro when you can buy good young Dm with same amount across Europe. And I don't think ETH will be so stubborn if he feels he'll be working alongside such technical director