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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by NairaLTQ: 4:18pm On Sep 02, 2023
gaskiyamagana:
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Read about his misrepresentation or misinterpretation, or atimes his robotized Anti Islam reasoning ; nod laughingly and chiefly (not deeply in order not to waste your time) reply. I knew him very well with sponsorship misleading mission of bad presentation of Allah, Islam, Al-Qur'an, Muhammad (saw) and muslims with his Robotically programmed reasoning, thinking and arguing about the 5 at one point or the other in his past posts, and surely on his future posts. I used to handled him the way I advised you.
My brother,
Your friend knows that I contrast the standard preferred Islamic Narratives to what your Quran, Hadith, Tafsir and Sira says and many Muslims don't like me for showing these truths.

Note that, It is impossible that both Islam and Christianity be the way to salvation.

The Question is : when you encounter the truth, are you willing to adopt it or hate the bearer of the truth?


You Muslims rarely ask Questions about issues of your religion while you don't mind attacking others and treating them as infidels.

My purpose is that:
Just as I asked Questions and became free from the misleading information about Islam, I ask you to ask questions BOTH about Islam and Christ. Don't just assume that what you have is the truth

I sincerely invite you to know the Messiah: He is for your Salvation !
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:15pm On Sep 02, 2023
TenQ:
Who is this Person in such a Disguise?
Here are five Names I want us to look at today:
Why!?, because if such a person exist, he would be a very arrogant person whose aim is to mislead humanity and cause distress and harm to them through deceit and mischief which would lead to their ultimate and perpetual humiliation .

Example:
To kill a rat in the house, we mislead/deceive it to think that we are offering it free good-looking-delicious food because we care for it. Unfortunately, our objective at the end of the day that when the Rat takes our bait, it would go into a state of painful distress and sorrowful humiliating death

Seeing the similarity of the purpose of the stealing, killing and destruction, we can not help but assume that this being is Satan!


Name #1: "Al-Makir" = The Deceiver
Name #2: "Al-Fattan" = The Mischief-Maker
Name #3: "Al-Mutakabbir" = The Arrogant
Name #4: "Ad-Darr" = The Distresser/The One who Causes HARM
Name #5: "Al-Muzil" = The Misleader/The Humiliator


The Arabic Wikipedia article contains more than 10 different lists by various Islamic scholars. Some of those lists contain the name "Best of deceivers" (خير الماكرين). The lists together contain 276 names of Allah and one can comfortably assume that there are other lists with more names. So, even though 99 names are claimed, the names after collation are all together up to 276
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/أسماء_الله_الحسنى#اجتهادات_في_إحصاءها


Who is a Deceiver?
He is One who deliberately and habitually misleads another or others by a false appearance or statement, especially one who does so habitually
Example: A person who daily misleads people to Hell Fire by giving alternatives to the Truth of God

Who is a Mischief-Maker?
He is a person who deliberately and habitually creates trouble for others.
Example: A person who deliberately and habitually expresses hate for others by creating problems and pain for good people

Who is Arrogant?
He is one who has or reveals a continuous exaggerated sense of his own importance or abilities.
Example: Like a created being elevating himself to the statue of the Creator and Impersonating God

Who is a Distresser?
He is one who deliberately and habitually causes (someone/others) anxiety, sorrow, or pain. Sorrow is feeling of deep distress caused by loss, disappointment or misfortune suffered
Example: A person whose purpose is to habitually cause people anxiety, sorrow and pain in their lives

However, note the qualifying word "THE" before the "VERB"
It is possible that a person cause you distress without being "The Distresser" e.g. A Medical Doctor
It is possible that a person mislead you without being "The Misleader/The Deceiver"
e.g. Someone you asked for direction

The Qualifier "THE" imply that such has the nature of performing the action deliberately, innately, habitually.

There are Other names that belittle this personality so much but Muslims do not see it as derogatory for GOD.
المؤمن Al-Mu'min The Believer Quran 59:23
We believe only when we have made a conclusion based on our judgment of highest probability.
For instance, we don't believe that 2+4=6. We know that 2+4=6.
Rather, we can believe that Russia would win the War against Ukraine or vice versa based on our estimation of probabilities.

Does God work by a game of probabilities or by knowing the past, present and future?



Questions:
1. Do you think it is possible that God be Arrogant ? To whom then will God be arrogant to as one can only be arrogant either to ones peers or superior.
2. Why do you think that God is a Believer ? Do you agree that we take a position of belief only when we are not 100% certain of a conclusion but we have reasonable fact to place our bet on an outcome in the future?
3. If God is the author of Distress , why do we attribute our problems to Satan?
4. Why do you think that the objective of God is to Humiliate us if he actually commanded even the Angels to bow to man?
5. Did Muhammed know what Allah would do to him? If he doesnt as the one showing you the way, can you be sure he has not been deceived?
6. How are you sure that the Greatest of all Deceivers has no decieved you from the way of truth?



Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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Muhammad don scam our brothers and sisters in Islam for bringing allah
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by SIRTee15: 10:21pm On Sep 02, 2023
NairaLTQ:

They hope for the intercession of a black stone that has been broken into pebbles for intercession on the day of judgement

They kiss it as they would kiss their prophet Muhammad : that this stone will remember them for good on the day of judgement.

The face the stone to pray their five daily prayers (but they would accuse the Catholics of Idolatory)

The stone had been part of Idolatory even before the birth of Mohammed. Anything that would bring people to the Religion of Mohammed is welcome.

The stone has the power to erase their sins: is this not Idolatory!?

As u can see Ohyoudidnt has gone ghost mode after receiving the shock of his life in Leviticus 26.1
I guess that would give him something to ponder on about the reality of Islam.

A God that instruct people not to bow to any stone even if sacred cannot say otherwise in another book.
It only mean one thing. The two deity are not the same.
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 5:46am On Sep 03, 2023
ANTIlSLAM:


Muhammad don scam our brothers and sisters in Islam for bringing allah
He is the most successful scamming 419 in the history of humanity. Billions going to hell on account of one greedy man!?
Islam was a means of Mohammed acquiring money, women, power and control and unfortunately, he succeeded!
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 7:02am On Sep 03, 2023
gaskiyamagana:

You forgot to add that you are anti-islam roboticalized reasoning, thinking and arguing person.
TenQ is back please
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 7:10am On Sep 03, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Allah calls Himself Al-Mutakabbir— The Supremely Great, The Perfection of Greatness— on one occasion in the Quran. He is the One who is supremely great. Al-Mutakabbir reveals His Greatness and power at every moment and in every incident!

The Supreme, The Possessor of All Rights, The Perfect Greatness

Mutakabbir comes from the root kaaf-baa-raa, which has three main meanings. The first main meaning is to be great in size, rank, or dignity, and the second to to be great in age and in learning. The third main meaning to have rights, privileges, and attributes that others don’t have.

This root appears 161 times in the Quran in 18 derived forms. Examples of these forms are kabura (“hard”), yastakbiroona (“arrogant”), akbaru (“(is)greater”), and al-kibari (“the old age”).

[b]Linguistically, kibriya means greatness and sovereignty, [/b]and it encompasses the meanings of the perfection of one’s self and existence; nobody can be described as such except Allah. Allahu Akbar– Allah is the Greatest— comes from the same root, as well as the name of Allah, Al-Kabeer. Al-Mutakabbir is the One who possesses all greatness, who is above having any of the qualities of His creatures, who cannot be harmed by the oppressors among His creation, and whose greatness and pride are the utmost.

Al-Mutakabbir Himself says: He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. [Quran, 59:23]

Allah ‘azza wa jall describes people as mutakabbireen (arrogant) on multiple occasions in the Quran. They have arrogance in their hearts and actions towards Allah by disbelieving in His signs and they are arrogant to other people by looking down on them due to position, race, wealth, etc.




To test your claim,
1. Here are 10 Arabic sentences (attached) for which you should replace the word Mutakabbir with either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent
*****
*****
See the attached 10 Arabic sentences to which he you should substitute your re-definition of Mutakabbir so that we see if the sentence makes sense
*****

The Truth is apparent to you here: you are redefining words to suit your purpose different from normal usage

2. Is it true that In everyday non Religious Arabic usage, "Mutakabbir" (متكبر) is an adjective that describes someone who is arrogant, haughty, or filled with pride. It is not a positive term and is often used to criticize someone's behavior when they display excessive pride or a sense of superiority over others.
So, if in a normal, non-religious context, "Mutakabbir" refers to a person who exhibits arrogance or an inflated sense of self-importance it means that you Muslims are redefining words to mean different from what it normally is.


Summary :
I see that you want to invent a new meaning of either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent for the normal use of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) , this is a fallacy and deceptive use of words sir.

Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:27pm On Sep 03, 2023
I very well am not so interested on how you define or understand God from your Bible. You are so fixated that nothing seemingly negative proceeds from God. You need to understand why these are and attest to the supremacy of Allah the only one worthy of all honour and praise.

The distressing spirit from God serves as a reminder of God's justice and the consequences of disobeying his commands. It highlights the biblical view of sin as a serious offense that requires punishment. It is not meant to be seen as God inflicting harm out of cruelty, but rather as a disciplinary measure aimed at bringing individuals back to the path of righteousness.

It is a call to align our lives with God's will and avoid the afflictions that come with disobedience.

You haven't provided indisputable evidence that Allah commands muslims to bow to a black stone.

SIRTee15:


The spirit of God departed from Saul and God allowed a distressing spirit- possibly mental illness to disturb him.
Just like the story of Job, God allows the spirit of your desires to consume u.

The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul.
God didn't create evil for mankind but ultimately all things are under God’s control- both good and evil.
The evil spirit tormenting Saul was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience.

I repeat, the God in the bible is not Allah. The ten commandments clearly proved it.

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,

The fact that the god of Islam tells u to bow down and worship a black stone practically disqualified Allah as YAHWEH.
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:29pm On Sep 03, 2023
Does it matter to you what other people believe?

Does it matter that people believe differently than you?

Do you think that if someone disbelieves that it makes your belief any less true?

If that’s the case, then maybe it’s time to reevaluate what you believe.
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:32pm On Sep 03, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:

Did you see or you pretend not to have seen?

[quote author=TenQ post=125541539]



To test your claim,
1. Here are 10 Arabic sentences (attached) for which you should replace the word Mutakabbir with either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent
*****
*****
See the attached 10 Arabic sentences to which he you should substitute your re-definition of Mutakabbir so that we see if the sentence makes sense
*****

The Truth is apparent to you here: you are redefining words to suit your purpose different from normal usage

2. Is it true that In everyday non Religious Arabic usage, "Mutakabbir" (متكبر) is an adjective that describes someone who is arrogant, haughty, or filled with pride. It is not a positive term and is often used to criticize someone's behavior when they display excessive pride or a sense of superiority over others.
So, if in a normal, non-religious context, "Mutakabbir" refers to a person who exhibits arrogance or an inflated sense of self-importance it means that you Muslims are redefining words to mean different from what it normally is.


Summary :
I see that you want to invent a new meaning of either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent for the normal use of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) , this is a fallacy and deceptive use of words sir.


Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 9:44pm On Sep 03, 2023
[quote author=Ohyoudidnt
post=125558459][/quote]
You know that you didn't translate the Arabic scripts I posted as I wanted to see how you would interpolate with your redefinition of Mutakabbir with respect to Allah!

Now,
Are you now agreeing that Mutakabbir mean Arrogant !?

And Al-Mutakabbir mean The Arrogant?


Who is Allah Arrogant to?
Can one be Arrogant to ones subordinate?
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 9:58pm On Sep 03, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Does it matter to you what other people believe?

Does it matter that people believe differently than you?

Do you think that if someone disbelieves that it makes your belief any less true?

If that’s the case, then maybe it’s time to reevaluate what you believe.
People can believe Falsehood and lies.

This is why it is important to Question ones belief (like I am questioning Islam) to find out if Islam is consistent on the Altar of Truth.

If it is not, then such a belief is worthless and could lead a person to the Fire of Hell.


I am afraid that your beliefs stem from the Al-Makr himself. This is why nothing is consistent in Islam. Why would the majority of Hadiths be false? Why so much inconsistencies with the Qur'an? Why would Allah suddenly choose to make Christians and Jews your ransom from the fire of hell? Why not atheists and idol worshippers? Does this make sense?

Qur'an 14:4
"Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills."


Do you think you will know if Allah is leading you astray or not?

You wont know at all! Because Allah is best when it comes to deceiving people

Is it not true that Allah is the best when it comes to deception
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:35pm On Sep 03, 2023
@Tenq is this not my initial response on Al-Murakabbir?
Does it not have emboldened at the bottom what you last commented on?
Of course the over educated but fabulously foolish Taqiyya Tenq doesn't know Polysemy.

TenQ:

You know that you didn't translate the Arabic scripts I posted as I wanted to see how you would interpolate with your redefinition of Mutakabbir with respect to Allah!

Now,
Are you now agreeing that Mutakabbir mean Arrogant !?

And Al-Mutakabbir mean The Arrogant?


Who is Allah Arrogant to?
Can one be Arrogant to ones subordinate?
Ohyoudidnt:
Allah calls Himself Al-Mutakabbir— The Supremely Great, The Perfection of Greatness— on one occasion in the Quran. He is the One who is supremely great. Al-Mutakabbir reveals His Greatness and power at every moment and in every incident!

The Supreme, The Possessor of All Rights, The Perfect Greatness

Mutakabbir comes from the root kaaf-baa-raa, which has three main meanings. The first main meaning is to be great in size, rank, or dignity, and the second to to be great in age and in learning. The third main meaning to have rights, privileges, and attributes that others don’t have.

This root appears 161 times in the Quran in 18 derived forms. Examples of these forms are kabura (“hard”), yastakbiroona (“arrogant”), akbaru (“(is)greater”), and al-kibari (“the old age”).

[b]Linguistically, kibriya means greatness and sovereignty, [/b]and it encompasses the meanings of the perfection of one’s self and existence; nobody can be described as such except Allah. Allahu Akbar– Allah is the Greatest— comes from the same root, as well as the name of Allah, Al-Kabeer. Al-Mutakabbir is the One who possesses all greatness, who is above having any of the qualities of His creatures, who cannot be harmed by the oppressors among His creation, and whose greatness and pride are the utmost.

Al-Mutakabbir Himself says: He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. [Quran, 59:23]

Allah ‘azza wa jall describes people as mutakabbireen (arrogant) on multiple occasions in the Quran. They have arrogance in their hearts and actions towards Allah by disbelieving in His signs and they are arrogant to other people by looking down on them due to position, race, wealth, etc.

Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:41pm On Sep 03, 2023
Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else.

However, outside of religious contexts, Mutakabir can also be used to describe someone who is arrogant or filled with pride, often displaying a sense of superiority over others. In this sense, it denotes a negative quality, highlighting an individual's excessive pride and haughtiness.
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:48pm On Sep 03, 2023
It's their belief and not yours so why are you hyperventilating about it? Obviously you are a pathetically troublesome scoundrel.

I should feel bad for your sicknesses but got better things to do.

On your question emboldened , you seem to be giving the devil an accompanying good run.

I have shown you distressing spirit proceeding from your God which seems to be tormenting you right now.

TenQ:

People can believe Falsehood and lies.

This is why it is important to Question ones belief (like I am questioning Islam) to find out if Islam is consistent on the Altar of Truth.

If it is not, then such a belief is worthless and could lead a person to the Fire of Hell.


I am afraid that your beliefs stem from the Al-Makr himself. This is why nothing is consistent in Islam. Why would the majority of Hadiths be false? Why so much inconsistencies with the Qur'an? Why would Allah suddenly choose to make Christians and Jews your ransom from the fire of hell? Why not atheists and idol worshippers? Does this make sense?

Qur'an 14:4
"Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills."


Do you think you will know if Allah is leading you astray or not?

You wont know at all! Because Allah is best when it comes to deceiving people

Is it not true that Allah is the best when it comes to deception
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 8:17am On Sep 04, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
It's their belief and not yours so why are you hyperventilating about it? Obviously you are a pathetically troublesome scoundrel.

I should feel bad for your sicknesses but got better things to do.

On your question emboldened , you seem to be giving the devil an accompanying good run.

I have shown you distressing spirit proceeding from your God which seems to be tormenting you right now.

And I showed you that my God is NOT a distressing spirit unlike Allah.

Sorry that I always rub it in: it's only because I want to you open your eyes to the truth.

Start from the fundamentals: understand the Religion of the Jews. Why do they do much sacrifice?

Just to exposes Islam again:
If Mohammed is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Moses is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Israel is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Jesus is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?



You see how your logic break down terribly : it is either you are wrong or terribly wrong or lying!

Have a nice day sir!
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 8:26am On Sep 04, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else.

However, outside of religious contexts, Mutakabir can also be used to describe someone who is arrogant or filled with pride, often displaying a sense of superiority over others. In this sense, it denotes a negative quality, highlighting an individual's excessive pride and haughtiness.
According to Modern Islamic Dictionary :
The word Arrogant means supremly great!




LOL!

Unfortunately, this is not how language works: only in Islam will a word have an opposite meaning to it's normal usage.
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 8:35am On Sep 04, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
@Tenq is this not my initial response on Al-Murakabbir?
Does it not have emboldened at the bottom what you last commented on?
Of course the over educated but fabulously foolish Taqiyya Tenq doesn't know Polysemy.


Thanks for the complement!

However,
I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul.
LOL!

I believe this makes total sense to you.

Have a nice and beautiful day sir
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 11:33am On Sep 04, 2023
Oh Really! Why do the scripture say distressing then,

TenQ:

Thanks for the complement!

However,
I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul.
LOL!

I believe this makes total sense to you.

Have a nice and beautiful day sir
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by honesttalk21: 11:43am On Sep 04, 2023
Define in unbiased terms who a muslim is.

What is a sacrifice? Is it only in killing or offering plants?

Religious sacrifice by living actions is a profound practice that embodies the selfless devotion and commitment of followers towards their spiritual beliefs. This form of sacrifice involves individuals giving up material possessions, personal comforts, or even their lives in order to honor and please their higher power. By actively embodying the core principles of compassion, empathy, and service, religious adherents demonstrate their unwavering faith and willingness to transform their lives for the betterment of their community and the world.

TenQ:

And I showed you that my God is NOT a distressing spirit unlike Allah.

Sorry that I always rub it in: it's only because I want to you open your eyes to the truth.

Start from the fundamentals: understand the Religion of the Jews. Why do they do much sacrifice?

Just to exposes Islam again:
If Mohammed is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Moses is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Israel is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?

If Jesus is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims?



You see how your logic break down terribly : it is either you are wrong or terribly wrong or lying!

Have a nice day sir!
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 11:52am On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Oh Really! Why do the scripture say distressing then,

Don't you see that I am using purely Islamic Qur'an interpretation like my friend Ohyoudidnt?

He said:
Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else.
Instead of Mutakabbir meaning Arrogant

Are you saying that my interpretation doesn't make sense?
Doesn't
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:03pm On Sep 04, 2023
AL-MUTAKABBIR:
Arabic Root:
From the root kaf-ba-ra (ك ب ر), which in Classical Arabic means: to be great in size, rank or dignity to be great in size, to be vast, formidable to be great in age, oldest to be great in dignity, noble, majestic to be great in learning, most known to have rights above all others.
The word Mutakabbir is derived from kabara meaning great, exalted, noble.

If you were the best in a particular field or sport, we're talking complete domination; no one comes close to winning. Wouldn't you feel proud of your ability and achievements?

Avoid Arrogance:
Imagine the one who has presumptions of greatness which are false won't that person be due for a rude awakening? This is the story of Iblis (Lucifer if you like). He was the first to claim arrogance; he was a mutakabiroon. He believed he was great in exclusion of all else, and he was humiliated by Allah.

Al-Mutakabbir is an honor fit only for Allah.
The created one cannot assume this attribute. Allah al-Mutakabbir is the adversary of the proud man. He will humiliate him, making him the lowest of the low.

TenQ:

According to Modern Islamic Dictionary :
The word Arrogant means supremly great!




LOL!

Unfortunately, this is not how language works: only in Islam will a word have an opposite meaning to it's normal usage.

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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 12:22pm On Sep 04, 2023
Arabic, known for its rich vocabulary, encompasses words that hold multiple layers of meaning within different contexts.
As a Semitic language, it employs root words that derive from three-letter patterns, which can be conjugated and modified to convey a wide range of concepts.
The context in which an Arabic word is used heavily influences its interpretation, allowing for various shades of meaning and nuances to be expressed. Thus, comprehending Arabic words requires a holistic approach that considers both their intrinsic definitions and the context in which they are employed.

Solely Allah is Al-Mutakabir used for any other is arrogance as non other than him is worthy of this position of greatness or supremacy.

وَلَهُ ٱلۡكِبۡرِيَآءُ فِي ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ ۖ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ

هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ
TenQ:

Don't you see that I am using purely Islamic Qur'an interpretation like my friend Ohyoudidnt?

He said:

Instead of Mutakabbir meaning Arrogant

Are you saying that my interpretation doesn't make sense?
Doesn't


He is Superior to the tyrants among His servants who claim grandeur.
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 1:20pm On Sep 04, 2023
honesttalk21:
Define in unbiased terms who a muslim is.

A Muslim is a person who follow both Allah and Mohammed as his messanger in matters of religion and behavior

The word Muslim did not exist among any Prophets of Israel nor Jews and Christians until Mohammed


honesttalk21:

What is a sacrifice? Is it only in killing or offering plants?

Religious sacrifice by living actions is a profound practice that embodies the selfless devotion and commitment of followers towards their spiritual beliefs. This form of sacrifice involves individuals giving up material possessions, personal comforts, or even their lives in order to honor and please their higher power. By actively embodying the core principles of compassion, empathy, and service, religious adherents demonstrate their unwavering faith and willingness to transform their lives for the betterment of their community and the world.

There are three kinds of Sacrifices in the Religion of the Jews
1. One which costs you a lot as a religious duty.
2. One which costs another (usually) an animal it's life (evidenced with shed blood) or a memorial of it in a religious duty Eg. Sin Offering or Peace Offering
3. An emblem or token or memorial of thanks given in a religious duty (this may involve plants and animals). Eg. Heave Offering, Thanksgiving Offering

The Religion of Moses and Christians base forgiveness of Sin and peace offering (from God's judgment) on the shedding of Blood.

Why do you think God instructed Moses to tell the Jews to make sacrifices for sin and peace offering involving the death of an animal evidenced by shedding it's blood?


When you Muslims sacrifice Animals during Eid al-Adha, what is the purpose as the command was not given to directly to you.?

Please don't just say as an act of worship as Muslims don't go about building Kaabas as acts of worship (Didn't Allah instruct Ibrahim and Ishmael to build the Kaaba). Moreover, every sacrifice of Ibrahim or Moses was on an Altar. Muslims don't build altars to sacrifice their ram
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 1:35pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Arabic, known for its rich vocabulary, encompasses words that hold multiple layers of meaning within different contexts.
As a Semitic language, it employs root words that derive from three-letter patterns, which can be conjugated and modified to convey a wide range of concepts.
The context in which an Arabic word is used heavily influences its interpretation, allowing for various shades of meaning and nuances to be expressed. Thus, comprehending Arabic words requires a holistic approach that considers both their intrinsic definitions and the context in which they are employed.

Solely Allah is Al-Mutakabir used for any other is arrogance as non other than him is worthy of this position of greatness or supremacy.

وَلَهُ ٱلۡكِبۡرِيَآءُ فِي ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ ۖ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ

هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ



He is Superior to the tyrants among His servants who claim grandeur.

I am trying hard to agree with you.

This was why I said:
Based on the richness of the Hebrew language which is a semitic language like Arabic,
TenQ:


I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul.

LOL!

I believe this makes total sense to you and you understand and agree perfectly with it.
Have a nice and beautiful day sir
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 2:07pm On Sep 04, 2023
The best of people are those who speak only the truth even when joking.

اللهمّ أعذني من نفاقه
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 2:22pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
The best of people are those who speak only the truth even when joking.

اللهمّ أعذني من نفاقه
"O Allah, protect me from hypocrisy"

The thing shock you too!?

How can Mutakabbir mean other than Arrogant in Arabic?
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 2:25pm On Sep 04, 2023
It's your hypocrisy I seek refuge in Allah from.

You stated distressing and benevolent in one of your comments.






Though I doubt you have the ability to understand being drunken in your opium of what the almighty's divinity should be

Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 5:10pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
It's your hypocrisy I seek refuge in Allah from.

You stated distressing and benevolent in one of your comments.
I can't sir.

The word Al-Mutakabbir mean Arrogant in every use of the word except that Muslims prefer to redefine it to mean something else when it refers to Allah!

Translate the following Arabic sentences and insert your preferred translation of Al-Mutakabbir as greatly Magnified, Magnificent or whatever and let's see.







Though I doubt you have the ability to understand being drunken in your opium of what the almighty's divinity should be
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 5:12pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
It's your hypocrisy I seek refuge in Allah from.

You stated distressing and benevolent in one of your comments.





Though I doubt you have the ability to understand being drunken in your opium of what the almighty's divinity should be
I can't sir.

The word Al-Mutakabbir mean Arrogant in every use of the word except that Muslims prefer to redefine it to mean something else when it refers to Allah!

Translate the following Arabic sentences and insert your preferred translation of Al-Mutakabbir as greatly Magnified, Magnificent or whatever and let's see.

TenQ:

I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul.[/i] LOL!

I believe this makes total sense to you.

Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 5:43pm On Sep 04, 2023
You can run with whatever makes you feel better and helps you sleep at night.

Understand the context in the use of the word
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 7:16pm On Sep 04, 2023
Explore2xmore:
You can run with whatever makes you feel better and helps you sleep at night.

Understand the context in the use of the word
Tell me, if Christians redefined an embarrassing word they didn't appreciate in the Bible and claim that Hebrew or Greek is spectacularly untranslatable and thus give it a different meaning , how would you feel? Would it make you respect us Christians?

It's just food for thought!

Have a beautiful night rest sir
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 8:27pm On Sep 04, 2023
TenQ:

Tell me, if Christians redefined an embarrassing word they didn't appreciate in the Bible and claim that Hebrew or Greek is spectacularly untranslatable and thus give it a different meaning , how would you feel? Would it make you respect us Christians?

It's just food for thought!

Have a beautiful night rest sir
قِيلَ ٱدۡخُلُوٓاْ أَبۡوَٰبَ جَهَنَّمَ خَٰلِدِينَ فِيهَا ۖ فَبِئۡسَ مَثۡوَى ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرِينَ
"[To them] it will be said, "Enter the gates of Hell to abide eternally therein, and wretched is the residence of the arrogant.""
(Q39:72)


ٱلَّذِينَ يُجَٰدِلُونَ فِيٓ ءَايَٰتِ ٱللَّهِ بِغَيۡرِ سُلۡطَٰنٍ أَتَىٰهُمۡ ۖ كَبُرَ مَقۡتًا عِندَ ٱللَّهِ وَعِندَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يَطۡبَعُ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ قَلۡبِ مُتَكَبِّرٍ جَبَّارٍ
"Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them - great is hatred [of them] in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed. Thus does Allah seal over every heart [belonging to] an arrogant tyrant."
(Q40:35)

إِلَٰهُكُمۡ إِلَٰهٞ وَٰحِدٞ ۚ فَٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱلۡأٓخِرَةِ قُلُوبُهُم مُّنكِرَةٞ وَهُم مُّسۡتَكۡبِرُونَ
"Your god is one God. But those who do not believe in the Hereafter - their hearts are disapproving, and they are arrogant."


هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ
"He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him."
(Q59:23)

Two terms frequently mentioned in the Quran that highlight this theme are "Mutakabireen" and "al Mutakabir". Although both words have a similar root and convey the concept of arrogance, they differ in their nuances and implications within the context of the Quran.
"Mutakabireen" refers to those who exhibit arrogance and pride, often in a way that denies the existence or superiority of God.
This term is used to condemn those who reject religious guidance and consider themselves above divine authority. The Quran portrays the "Mutakabireen" as unappreciative and ungrateful individuals who fail to acknowledge their dependency on God's blessings.

On the other hand, "al Mutakabir" refers to God Himself as the Supreme Being, the Ultimate in Magnificence and Supreme Greatness. In this context, the term highlights God's infinite power, wisdom, and authority. It emphasizes the belief that true greatness and majesty belong to God alone. The Quran uses this term to remind humanity of their position of subservience to God and the need to submit to His will.

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