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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by NairaLTQ: 4:18pm On Sep 02, 2023 |
gaskiyamagana:My brother, Your friend knows that I contrast the standard preferred Islamic Narratives to what your Quran, Hadith, Tafsir and Sira says and many Muslims don't like me for showing these truths. Note that, It is impossible that both Islam and Christianity be the way to salvation. The Question is : when you encounter the truth, are you willing to adopt it or hate the bearer of the truth? You Muslims rarely ask Questions about issues of your religion while you don't mind attacking others and treating them as infidels. My purpose is that: Just as I asked Questions and became free from the misleading information about Islam, I ask you to ask questions BOTH about Islam and Christ. Don't just assume that what you have is the truth I sincerely invite you to know the Messiah: He is for your Salvation ! |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:15pm On Sep 02, 2023 |
TenQ: Muhammad don scam our brothers and sisters in Islam for bringing allah |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by SIRTee15: 10:21pm On Sep 02, 2023 |
NairaLTQ: As u can see Ohyoudidnt has gone ghost mode after receiving the shock of his life in Leviticus 26.1 I guess that would give him something to ponder on about the reality of Islam. A God that instruct people not to bow to any stone even if sacred cannot say otherwise in another book. It only mean one thing. The two deity are not the same. |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 5:46am On Sep 03, 2023 |
ANTIlSLAM:He is the most successful scamming 419 in the history of humanity. Billions going to hell on account of one greedy man!? Islam was a means of Mohammed acquiring money, women, power and control and unfortunately, he succeeded! |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 7:02am On Sep 03, 2023 |
gaskiyamagana:TenQ is back please |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 7:10am On Sep 03, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: To test your claim, 1. Here are 10 Arabic sentences (attached) for which you should replace the word Mutakabbir with either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent ***** ***** See the attached 10 Arabic sentences to which he you should substitute your re-definition of Mutakabbir so that we see if the sentence makes sense ***** The Truth is apparent to you here: you are redefining words to suit your purpose different from normal usage 2. Is it true that In everyday non Religious Arabic usage, "Mutakabbir" (متكبر) is an adjective that describes someone who is arrogant, haughty, or filled with pride. It is not a positive term and is often used to criticize someone's behavior when they display excessive pride or a sense of superiority over others. So, if in a normal, non-religious context, "Mutakabbir" refers to a person who exhibits arrogance or an inflated sense of self-importance it means that you Muslims are redefining words to mean different from what it normally is. Summary : I see that you want to invent a new meaning of either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent for the normal use of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) , this is a fallacy and deceptive use of words sir.
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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:27pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
I very well am not so interested on how you define or understand God from your Bible. You are so fixated that nothing seemingly negative proceeds from God. You need to understand why these are and attest to the supremacy of Allah the only one worthy of all honour and praise. The distressing spirit from God serves as a reminder of God's justice and the consequences of disobeying his commands. It highlights the biblical view of sin as a serious offense that requires punishment. It is not meant to be seen as God inflicting harm out of cruelty, but rather as a disciplinary measure aimed at bringing individuals back to the path of righteousness. It is a call to align our lives with God's will and avoid the afflictions that come with disobedience. You haven't provided indisputable evidence that Allah commands muslims to bow to a black stone. SIRTee15: |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:29pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
Does it matter to you what other people believe? Does it matter that people believe differently than you? Do you think that if someone disbelieves that it makes your belief any less true? If that’s the case, then maybe it’s time to reevaluate what you believe. |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 9:32pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:
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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 9:44pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=125558459][/quote] You know that you didn't translate the Arabic scripts I posted as I wanted to see how you would interpolate with your redefinition of Mutakabbir with respect to Allah! Now, Are you now agreeing that Mutakabbir mean Arrogant !? And Al-Mutakabbir mean The Arrogant? Who is Allah Arrogant to? Can one be Arrogant to ones subordinate? |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 9:58pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:People can believe Falsehood and lies. This is why it is important to Question ones belief (like I am questioning Islam) to find out if Islam is consistent on the Altar of Truth. If it is not, then such a belief is worthless and could lead a person to the Fire of Hell. I am afraid that your beliefs stem from the Al-Makr himself. This is why nothing is consistent in Islam. Why would the majority of Hadiths be false? Why so much inconsistencies with the Qur'an? Why would Allah suddenly choose to make Christians and Jews your ransom from the fire of hell? Why not atheists and idol worshippers? Does this make sense? Qur'an 14:4 "Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills." Do you think you will know if Allah is leading you astray or not? You wont know at all! Because Allah is best when it comes to deceiving people Is it not true that Allah is the best when it comes to deception |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:35pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
@Tenq is this not my initial response on Al-Murakabbir? Does it not have emboldened at the bottom what you last commented on? Of course the over educated but fabulously foolish Taqiyya Tenq doesn't know Polysemy. TenQ: Ohyoudidnt: |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:41pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else. However, outside of religious contexts, Mutakabir can also be used to describe someone who is arrogant or filled with pride, often displaying a sense of superiority over others. In this sense, it denotes a negative quality, highlighting an individual's excessive pride and haughtiness. |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:48pm On Sep 03, 2023 |
It's their belief and not yours so why are you hyperventilating about it? Obviously you are a pathetically troublesome scoundrel. I should feel bad for your sicknesses but got better things to do. On your question emboldened , you seem to be giving the devil an accompanying good run. I have shown you distressing spirit proceeding from your God which seems to be tormenting you right now. TenQ: |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 8:17am On Sep 04, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:And I showed you that my God is NOT a distressing spirit unlike Allah. Sorry that I always rub it in: it's only because I want to you open your eyes to the truth. Start from the fundamentals: understand the Religion of the Jews. Why do they do much sacrifice? Just to exposes Islam again: If Mohammed is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims? If Moses is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims? If Israel is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims? If Jesus is a Muslim, are his followers also Muslims? You see how your logic break down terribly : it is either you are wrong or terribly wrong or lying! Have a nice day sir! |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 8:26am On Sep 04, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:According to Modern Islamic Dictionary : The word Arrogant means supremly great! LOL! Unfortunately, this is not how language works: only in Islam will a word have an opposite meaning to it's normal usage. |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 8:35am On Sep 04, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:Thanks for the complement! However, I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul. LOL! I believe this makes total sense to you. Have a nice and beautiful day sir |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 11:33am On Sep 04, 2023 |
Oh Really! Why do the scripture say distressing then, TenQ: |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by honesttalk21: 11:43am On Sep 04, 2023 |
Define in unbiased terms who a muslim is. What is a sacrifice? Is it only in killing or offering plants? Religious sacrifice by living actions is a profound practice that embodies the selfless devotion and commitment of followers towards their spiritual beliefs. This form of sacrifice involves individuals giving up material possessions, personal comforts, or even their lives in order to honor and please their higher power. By actively embodying the core principles of compassion, empathy, and service, religious adherents demonstrate their unwavering faith and willingness to transform their lives for the betterment of their community and the world. TenQ: |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 11:52am On Sep 04, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:Don't you see that I am using purely Islamic Qur'an interpretation like my friend Ohyoudidnt? He said: Mutakabir refers to one of the names of Allah, meaning "The Supreme" or "The Great". It embodies the idea of Allah's greatness and superiority above all else.Instead of Mutakabbir meaning Arrogant Are you saying that my interpretation doesn't make sense? Doesn't |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:03pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
AL-MUTAKABBIR: Arabic Root: From the root kaf-ba-ra (ك ب ر), which in Classical Arabic means: to be great in size, rank or dignity to be great in size, to be vast, formidable to be great in age, oldest to be great in dignity, noble, majestic to be great in learning, most known to have rights above all others. The word Mutakabbir is derived from kabara meaning great, exalted, noble. If you were the best in a particular field or sport, we're talking complete domination; no one comes close to winning. Wouldn't you feel proud of your ability and achievements? Avoid Arrogance: Imagine the one who has presumptions of greatness which are false won't that person be due for a rude awakening? This is the story of Iblis (Lucifer if you like). He was the first to claim arrogance; he was a mutakabiroon. He believed he was great in exclusion of all else, and he was humiliated by Allah. Al-Mutakabbir is an honor fit only for Allah. The created one cannot assume this attribute. Allah al-Mutakabbir is the adversary of the proud man. He will humiliate him, making him the lowest of the low. TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 12:22pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Arabic, known for its rich vocabulary, encompasses words that hold multiple layers of meaning within different contexts. As a Semitic language, it employs root words that derive from three-letter patterns, which can be conjugated and modified to convey a wide range of concepts. The context in which an Arabic word is used heavily influences its interpretation, allowing for various shades of meaning and nuances to be expressed. Thus, comprehending Arabic words requires a holistic approach that considers both their intrinsic definitions and the context in which they are employed. Solely Allah is Al-Mutakabir used for any other is arrogance as non other than him is worthy of this position of greatness or supremacy. وَلَهُ ٱلۡكِبۡرِيَآءُ فِي ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ ۖ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ TenQ: He is Superior to the tyrants among His servants who claim grandeur. |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 1:20pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
honesttalk21: A Muslim is a person who follow both Allah and Mohammed as his messanger in matters of religion and behavior The word Muslim did not exist among any Prophets of Israel nor Jews and Christians until Mohammed honesttalk21:There are three kinds of Sacrifices in the Religion of the Jews 1. One which costs you a lot as a religious duty. 2. One which costs another (usually) an animal it's life (evidenced with shed blood) or a memorial of it in a religious duty Eg. Sin Offering or Peace Offering 3. An emblem or token or memorial of thanks given in a religious duty (this may involve plants and animals). Eg. Heave Offering, Thanksgiving Offering The Religion of Moses and Christians base forgiveness of Sin and peace offering (from God's judgment) on the shedding of Blood. Why do you think God instructed Moses to tell the Jews to make sacrifices for sin and peace offering involving the death of an animal evidenced by shedding it's blood? When you Muslims sacrifice Animals during Eid al-Adha, what is the purpose as the command was not given to directly to you.? Please don't just say as an act of worship as Muslims don't go about building Kaabas as acts of worship (Didn't Allah instruct Ibrahim and Ishmael to build the Kaaba). Moreover, every sacrifice of Ibrahim or Moses was on an Altar. Muslims don't build altars to sacrifice their ram |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 1:35pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Explore2xmore: I am trying hard to agree with you. This was why I said: Based on the richness of the Hebrew language which is a semitic language like Arabic, TenQ: I believe this makes total sense to you and you understand and agree perfectly with it. Have a nice and beautiful day sir |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 2:07pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
The best of people are those who speak only the truth even when joking. اللهمّ أعذني من نفاقه |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 2:22pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:"O Allah, protect me from hypocrisy" The thing shock you too!? How can Mutakabbir mean other than Arrogant in Arabic? |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 2:25pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
It's your hypocrisy I seek refuge in Allah from. You stated distressing and benevolent in one of your comments. Though I doubt you have the ability to understand being drunken in your opium of what the almighty's divinity should be
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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 5:10pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 5:12pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:I can't sir. The word Al-Mutakabbir mean Arrogant in every use of the word except that Muslims prefer to redefine it to mean something else when it refers to Allah! Translate the following Arabic sentences and insert your preferred translation of Al-Mutakabbir as greatly Magnified, Magnificent or whatever and let's see. TenQ:
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Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 5:43pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
You can run with whatever makes you feel better and helps you sleep at night. Understand the context in the use of the word |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by TenQ: 7:16pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Explore2xmore:Tell me, if Christians redefined an embarrassing word they didn't appreciate in the Bible and claim that Hebrew or Greek is spectacularly untranslatable and thus give it a different meaning , how would you feel? Would it make you respect us Christians? It's just food for thought! Have a beautiful night rest sir |
Re: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 8:27pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
TenQ:قِيلَ ٱدۡخُلُوٓاْ أَبۡوَٰبَ جَهَنَّمَ خَٰلِدِينَ فِيهَا ۖ فَبِئۡسَ مَثۡوَى ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرِينَ "[To them] it will be said, "Enter the gates of Hell to abide eternally therein, and wretched is the residence of the arrogant."" (Q39:72) ٱلَّذِينَ يُجَٰدِلُونَ فِيٓ ءَايَٰتِ ٱللَّهِ بِغَيۡرِ سُلۡطَٰنٍ أَتَىٰهُمۡ ۖ كَبُرَ مَقۡتًا عِندَ ٱللَّهِ وَعِندَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يَطۡبَعُ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ قَلۡبِ مُتَكَبِّرٍ جَبَّارٍ "Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them - great is hatred [of them] in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed. Thus does Allah seal over every heart [belonging to] an arrogant tyrant." (Q40:35) إِلَٰهُكُمۡ إِلَٰهٞ وَٰحِدٞ ۚ فَٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱلۡأٓخِرَةِ قُلُوبُهُم مُّنكِرَةٞ وَهُم مُّسۡتَكۡبِرُونَ "Your god is one God. But those who do not believe in the Hereafter - their hearts are disapproving, and they are arrogant." هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ "He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him." (Q59:23) Two terms frequently mentioned in the Quran that highlight this theme are "Mutakabireen" and "al Mutakabir". Although both words have a similar root and convey the concept of arrogance, they differ in their nuances and implications within the context of the Quran. "Mutakabireen" refers to those who exhibit arrogance and pride, often in a way that denies the existence or superiority of God. This term is used to condemn those who reject religious guidance and consider themselves above divine authority. The Quran portrays the "Mutakabireen" as unappreciative and ungrateful individuals who fail to acknowledge their dependency on God's blessings. On the other hand, "al Mutakabir" refers to God Himself as the Supreme Being, the Ultimate in Magnificence and Supreme Greatness. In this context, the term highlights God's infinite power, wisdom, and authority. It emphasizes the belief that true greatness and majesty belong to God alone. The Quran uses this term to remind humanity of their position of subservience to God and the need to submit to His will. |
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