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Aemmyjah:
Read especially the highlighted part

Maynman, this can add to your knowledge 😉. Can u dispute the writeup on prophecy?
LordReed, can you dispute the fact?
Jaephoenix, even with your two eyes, you won't see
Or is the writeup a lie especially on the successive worldpower and what was written beforehand about them and what they will do and who they will overtake

MightySparrow, read this too and add to your knowledge. Papa won't teach you this. Not ever

Aemmyjah:
Read especially the highlighted part

Maynman, this can add to your knowledge 😉. Can u dispute the writeup on prophecy?
LordReed, can you dispute the fact?
Jaephoenix, even with your two eyes, you won't see
Or is the writeup a lie especially on the successive worldpower and what was written beforehand about them and what they will do and who they will overtake

MightySparrow, read this too and add to your knowledge. Papa won't teach you this. Not ever

Aemmyjah:
Yes.
The Bible itself is seen by many as a religious figure as 2 Timothy 3:16 says that it is inspired of God.
Genesis account helps us understand that sequence and order of creation in a reasonable manner though it does not mention all the details as to how and when
Then it mentions about how the first humans were formed. From the dust of the earth. Science itself attests to it that the elements found in the dust is also found in the human body
While several religions and logic helps us see that there's indeed a Creator, the Bible presents it in a way that is clear. Helping us to understand other questions as to why the earth was created, and the future... The Bible account give us details that evolution can never give us such as. Where we come from (History), why we are here (Purpose) and where we are going.
By means of God's spirit did God help in creating the universe which includes the earth. The Bible just presents his personality more just as the blueprint of a house can tell you more of the owner /architect... It does not say when but it says the universe had a beginning before God began creating


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gisevak:
How do you explain the existence of humans?

gisevak:
It has been fully historically observed that the Bible compilation comes from highly ungodly sources, and some of its contents reflect humans. We have cases of human sacrifices, contradictions, vengeances, different biblical versions, and many more. The present Bible has undergone a lot of reviews and deductions, among others. It was in the Council of Nicaea that Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action—money! He offered the various church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Bible today was not sent down, as you might have thought. It might just be another spiritual inspiration and not the creator.
 
Historical accuracy doesn't necessarily prove the divine nature of the text. The fact that the Bible mentions real people and places doesn't automatically validate the theological claims or supernatural elements. How do you see to this?

Aemmyjah:
Whether Creator or creatorsssssss

The universe give evidence that it was the work of a hand

MightySparrow:
I have not read this, I will, my Papa is a studious person and encourages us to read. None of the pentecostal leaders is an illiterate. They read more than your GB. Any of them.

You think we are bunch of illiterates? No. Your GB forbid education. My leaders build universities. Knowledge, relevant knowledge is advocated. What do you think we do in conferences? Seminaries. In my own mission, so many of our pastors obtained PhDs in Islamic studies, possibly on Jehovah' Witnesses as well as other religion and aspects of humanities. They have background in other fields: Law, Engineering, medicine, philosophy etc.

You assume you are debating riffraffs on Nairaland? You are kidding man!

Just be living in delusion.

gisevak:
It has been fully historically observed that the Bible compilation comes from highly ungodly sources, and some of its contents reflect humans. We have cases of human sacrifices, contradictions, vengeances, different biblical versions, and many more. The present Bible has undergone a lot of reviews and deductions, among others. It was in the Council of Nicaea that Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action—money! He offered the various church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Bible today was not sent down, as you might have thought. It might just be another spiritual inspiration and not the creator.
 
Historical accuracy doesn't necessarily prove the divine nature of the text. The fact that the Bible mentions real people and places doesn't automatically validate the theological claims or supernatural elements. How do you see to this?

Wilgrea7:
The universe gives no evidence that it was the work of a "hand" any more than a "higher being" who you refer to as a creator would be evidence that itself was the work of a greater hand.

I can break if down further for you if you'd like.. but that's essentially it.

What you're trying to explore is the problem of complexity.. and a god doesn't nearly answer that question

Wilgrea7:
The universe gives no evidence that it was the work of a "hand" any more than a "higher being" who you refer to as a creator would be evidence that itself was the work of a greater hand.

I can break if down further for you if you'd like.. but that's essentially it.

What you're trying to explore is the problem of complexity.. and a god doesn't nearly answer that question

Aemmyjah:
That definition really should be shown to evolutionists

Aemmyjah:
They don't forbid education

Aemmyjah:
Yes.
The Bible itself is seen by many as a religious figure as 2 Timothy 3:16 says that it is inspired of God.
Genesis account helps us understand that sequence and order of creation in a reasonable manner though it does not mention all the details as to how and when
Then it mentions about how the first humans were formed. From the dust of the earth. Science itself attests to it that the elements found in the dust is also found in the human body
While several religions and logic helps us see that there's indeed a Creator, the Bible presents it in a way that is clear. Helping us to understand other questions as to why the earth was created, and the future... The Bible account give us details that evolution can never give us such as. Where we come from (History), why we are here (Purpose) and where we are going.
By means of God's spirit did God help in creating the universe which includes the earth. The Bible just presents his personality more just as the blueprint of a house can tell you more of the owner /architect... It does not say when but it says the universe had a beginning before God began creating

1. Who created the earth - Nehemiah 9:6, Isaiah 42:5,8
2. With what did he use to create the earth - Psalm 33:6
3. Why did God create the earth - Isaiah 45:18, Genesis 1:2, Psalm 115:16

4. How will life be like on earth in the future? Psalm 37:10,11,29... Revelation 21:3,4...


The above are just points or verses that the Bible mentions about creation
How do we know that the Bible is even true and the word of God. We have to put the Bible on trial and investigate it (not with an overly critical, pessimistic attitude like atheists do) but to determine if it is true.
Now since the Bible claims to be the word of God and a gift for mankind, we expect that such book will become widely distributed and translated ans easy to read irrespective of location or language of the Bible... Statistics tells us that the Bible has been translated in about 4000 languages in whole or in part ; about 100% of earth's inhabitants have access to the Bible and billions of copies has been produced. The Bible remains the bestseller for all time... That can only be unique of God's word

But, the distribution of the Bible and accessibility and translation is not really convincing to believe that the Bible is God's word... What other point(s) give credit to the Bible as being God's word as it says?

1. History
2. Science
3. Prophecy
4. Moral advice


1. History: The Bible is a book of history as it not only talks about God but discuss about the dealings with men spanning several millennia. The Bible is not a myth as it mention specific events, names of people, places that still exist today or that existed then and still supported by secular records. Unlike mythical and other religious books that uses 'once upon a time, a certain man in a certain land', the Bible mentions dates, places, names of people that are well corroborated by secular history and archeology ... Once upon a time, critics did not believe that people like David, Pilate, Belshazzar, Nineveh etc never existed. Archeology has silenced them and is silencing them... Bible writers also mentions their own weaknesses and how they and their kings were punished for rebellion e.g, Simon Peter denials, David adultery, Jonah disobedience, Moses punishment. Something that other history books would have left out... The Bible mentions the occupation of people of places, how they did things, buried people, punished people, their capitals, many things that we would never have otherwise known. People have taken interest to validate or invalidate these, only giving credit to the Bible

2. Science... Science is dynamic. As we keep studying science, the laws and theories tend to change from time to time... What scientists see as fact 500 years ago is now laughable. The Bible is not a science textbook but what it says regarding science, even thousands of years ago is still fact though it was not commonly accepted. For example, the Bible mentions about the sequence of the water cycle about 3500 years ago... How would anyone know when they did not have sophisticated equipment like we have today? It describes the condensation, evaporation and condensation process in very simple and logical manner and later, someone mentions about the flow of water bodies - where they come from and how they return,explaining why the volumes of the sea is not rapidly increasing (Job 36:27, 28 and Ecclesiastes 1:7)... Ancient science describes the earth as flat and hanging on some creatures until Isaac Newton came up wit the gravity postulate... You may remember that in Geography (if you studied that), we were taught that it is only not too far that we accepted that the earth is spherical and the biggest evidence was from aerial photograph... 3500 years ago, a Bible writer wrote that the earth is not hanging on any support. How did he know? Did he go to space to view the earth or use any telescope 🔭? It was not even invented. 2700 years ago, someone wrote that the earth is a circle. How did he know either especially as it was opposite the common viewpoint and nobody in the secular world embraced the idea until the invention of the telescope and people going into space? They claim that what they say is inspired of God. What God says regarding science, through is word was FACT.

3. Prophecy : No man can foretell the future... Even weather forecast of the next few hours may be wrong. The biggest evidence that the Bible was inspired is in its prophecy which were pronounced several decades and centuries but now fulfilled in EXACT details... Did you know that about 200 years in advance, a man prophecied that a world power will invade and destroy his own nation and take many into captivity and later that same worldpower would be overthrown by a man named Cyrus, without a battle? It even add that's this worldpower, on the night of its overthrow will carelessly leave their doors open, creating chance for the overthrow and the deep moat that surrounded the nation as a protection will go down? And that later, this worldpower will be destroyed and no human will inhabit it forever? The prophecy was fulfilled and secular history confirms it. Babylon invaded and destroyed Jerusalem, Babylon was overthrown by Cyrus without a battle, he diverted the waters surrounding the city to gain access inside and the doors were left open due to the revelry of people of the city. Today, Babylon is in ruins and unlivable. It is like someone saying that Washington DC or Beijing or Moscow will destroy Libya and that same worldpower be destroyed by LordReed (whose father was not even born) and LordReed will remove the city's natural defence, overthrow the government just like that and that Washington will later be destroyed and unlivable... Only by divine inspiration could such prediction have happened... Another prophet predicted the fall of Nineveh and it's total destruction. This happened so much that critics said that Nineveh never existed. Today, only tiny remains have been excavated by archeologist confirming the city as once the capital of the Assyrian world power
Did you know that, when Daniel lived (Babylon was world power). He predicted who the next world power would be? MedoPersia, then Greece (he even mentioned how great the king of Greece would be and his exploits but he'll die young and his kingdom won't go to his children but divided into 4 parts. That was true of Alexander the great), after Greece would be Rome (and that during the Roman worldpower is when the Messiah, Christ will come but he will be killed and Jerusalem will be destroyed). He also foretold that Rome will be divided into nations but the tiniest, insignificant nations will defeat three nations far greater and powerful than itself and it will become great and a dual worldpower but this worldpower will not be strong unlike other previous worldpowers due to the influence of the common people. Rome became divided. Britain was the smallest and insignificant but it destroyed Netherlands, Spain and France to become top and greatest empire but during the worldpower, it joined with USA to form what we call the Anglo-American worldpower which we have today but Anglo-American is not even strong due to the influence of the people as they tend to protest, revolution, insurrections, take the government to court, their democracy is even divided as we can see today, who is that man or group that would have done these when Babylon, MedoPersia, Greece, Rome were worldpower? The result will be fatal. The Bible mentions the name of the government that will destroy the Anglo-American worldpower. It will destroy it and every human government and be the sole government ruling forever, bringing about real peace and justice. If what the Bible says about successive worldpower has been fulfilled, it is foolish to deny that Anglo-American will be destroyed and we'll have a sole, world government... I did not even mention Jesus' prophecy of our time. He foretold that world condition and people attitude will be bad and our planet will be ruined by mankind - a time of wars, earthquakes, food shortages, epidemics and fearful sights. He said that about 2000 years ago. If you'd asked someone just 100 or 200 years ago about how life would be today, the prediction was that thing will be better. Remember vision 2020. 2020 came and it was completely out of what we expected

4. Moral advice: I don overwrite na😏

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Maynman:
And people that believe jewish tales, that jews themselves take as allegory.

I will say it again, all lives come from water, the deep is the womb of all lives.

LordReed:
This is the thing with gish gallop, it takes a whole lot more writing to address even 1 point. I will address your 4 points 1 after another shortly.

Aemmyjah:
Your own indoctrination sha

LordReed:
Are JWs encouraged to go to university or to forego it?

Maynman:
It's a fact that you don't need to believe.
Just like the universe, your body is made up of mostly water.

Aemmyjah:
The Bible also mentions that the first forms of life began in water and the world was once a big ocean of water... You're just corroborating the book of superior wisdom...
Now, where do water come from?
The gravitational forces that hold the water bodies in place came by chance?
How do the earth came about by separation from the earth?

I agree that the body is made up of mostly water
I don't agree this wonderful came about by chance


Lemme ask you 2 questions but I'll answer 1 and leave the other. I'
Do you have a brain? Y
Is your brain a product of accident or intelligent design? Yes or No
(Note that one answer would imply you brain is not correct )

Aemmyjah:
You are just confused and repeating hearsays
Concerning it's history, it is to prove that the Bible is not a book of myths and legends as many say


Who is the source of the 'another spiritual inspiration'?
Learn how to make up your mind sir

Maynman:
Which first forms of life began in water

Aemmyjah:
Type Google

gisevak:
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I refused to believe the god concept of the Christians because their supposed holy books reflect human characters. How can the all-perfect God make mistakes and seek vengeance? It cannot just be that Christian all-powerful god that would inspire such. Look around your universe and see how it was beautifully and intelligently arranged. The spiritual source might probably be hearing from an entity different from the creator, for example,Sango, the Yoruba cultural god of thunder.
There are much older religious books than the Christian books. Who inspired those books that predate the Bible. Are you saying God inspired all books, such as the Quran, IFA books, Judaism, etc.? Why should we not choose others?

Maynman:
It's getting clearer

Google even said our ancestors are fishes, even in your mother's womb you started as a fish.
Even wondered why pregnant women love salty foods, they need the waters in the womb to be salty just like the ocean.

Aemmyjah:
I understand you were a fish in your mother's womb. Maybe that's why you're acting like a fish brain

If they like, let them drink water that is saltier than the ocean... How that one take concern me? 😂😂😂... Is that another evidence that evolutionists have come up with?

Explain how frogs and toads evolve from fishes... I'll give you points as to why I say amphibians don't evolve from them

Maynman:
You haven't told me which 'first forms" of life began in water?

Aemmyjah:
I dunno
I asked you to ask Google

Maynman:
And Google even said our ancestors are fishes, even in your mother's womb you started as a fish.
Even wondered why pregnant women love salty foods, they need the waters in the womb to be salty just like the ocean

Aemmyjah:
My ancestors were humans
I follow what proved science, common sense and Bible tells me
You can follow what Google tells you
You know where to find your ancestors na
You can jump off the third mainland bridge but don't forget to send my greetings to your ancestors

Maynman:
Human from Homo?

Aemmyjah:
Define forbidden
Well, true. We are all encouraged to choose vocational skills or institutions that help us gain skills rather than go to university. Many factors play. The moral climate in the system and young ones are pressured to completely reject God or service to God and the philosophy
It's still a matter of choice
No one is pressured

How's that forbidden?