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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 5:54pm On Oct 05, 2023
Lmaooo.. That is the only thing you can celebrate.
That the supreme court won't admit new evidence except under special cases😁.

If this gets admitted πŸ‘
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 5:54pm On Oct 05, 2023
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 5:57pm On Oct 05, 2023
So after all is said

We are able to confirm that Bola Tinubu graduated from Chicago State University with a degree in Accounting like he always maintained

Atiku thanks for the entertainment
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 5:59pm On Oct 05, 2023
Bwaahahahhahahaahhahahahahbabababahahahahhbababahahah

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:00pm On Oct 05, 2023
How can you submit forged documents for an education you acquired?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 6:01pm On Oct 05, 2023
Itsrm:


This is what I don't understand as well. I pity those whose job it is to defend this man. It's such a difficult thing to do. Everything about him is mysterious.


As much as this case holds little because of technicalities, this guy is shady and God forbid i would defend something that is senseless

You went to CSU
You applied for a replacement, and never collected it till today

Then you went ahead to print another one and parade it as your originals. It took this drama for us to hear it is from a 3rd party aka Oluwole Publishers.

There's no image left for Nigeria. Everybody just dey ruin the little wey remain

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:01pm On Oct 05, 2023
Let me relax and read the defence

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 6:03pm On Oct 05, 2023
monerozi5590:



Maybe when you are well rested just go through the deposition.

According to Tinubu, his certificate was stolen. I believe the one issued in June 22, 1979.

He ordered for replacement (June 27,1997 but on the replacement diploma it was typed June 27,1979) but he didn't pick it up.

The one he submitted to INEC was dated June 22, 1979. In the deposition I saw, they called it INEC diploma for simplicity sake.

I believe here is your confusion. Lemme try and explain below.

Before you forged or redo or whatever you must have a format. Like if someone wants to forge your degree you have to give him/ her the certificate to see the format right?

So the certificate Tinubu gave INEC matches the format of CSU certificate in years like CSU 9, 10 12 and other year but the INEC certificate was not issued to him by CSU.

The only valid argument here like said by others like Android17 and Nihilistjnr is that indeed Tinubu graduated from CSU

I forgot to reply this.

I think i understand it clearly now.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 6:03pm On Oct 05, 2023
BlueRayDick:


That’s the Nigeria we live in o. When dem see who pass dem or capable of matching vawulence for vawulence , they will channel their energy to fight other third parties .

It is common knowledge that political power and influence in Nigeria rests with the North, particularly the Fulani. This influence is powered by the strength in their population, which now being weaponized during National elections.

That is why politicians/ administrators from other regions get hesitant about attacking any politician from the North, especially those with Fulani roots. Infact, they would rather cannibalize a fellow Southerner at their own detriment just to please the North.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:03pm On Oct 05, 2023
izzou:


As much as this case holds little because of technicalities, this guy is shady and God forbid i would defend something that is senseless

You went to CSU
You applied for a replacement, and never collected it till today

Then you went ahead to print another one and parade it as your originals. It took this drama for us to hear it is from a 3rd party aka Oluwole Publishers.

There's no image left for Nigeria. Everybody just dey ruin the little wey remain

It's one thing for ordinary citizens but for the president to be guilty of document forgery... Wooow
The profiling will be biblical going forward 😊

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:05pm On Oct 05, 2023
Larride do you believe I still lack understanding?
If you do then you can explain

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 6:07pm On Oct 05, 2023
izzou:


As much as this case holds little because of technicalities, this guy is shady and God forbid i would defend something that is senseless

You went to CSU
You applied for a replacement, and never collected it till today

Then you went ahead to print another one and parade it as your originals. It took this drama for us to hear it is from a 3rd party aka Oluwole Publishers.

There's no image left for Nigeria. Everybody just dey ruin the little wey remain

Na wetin dey pain me pass be this. It's as if you picked it right from my mouth. As far as optics go, its not good at all.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 6:07pm On Oct 05, 2023
liveLongNprospa:


It's one thing for ordinary citizens but for the president to be guilty of document forgery... Wooow
The profiling will be biblical going forward 😊

Maybe forgery can't fly, because he did go to CSU

But this has to be the shadiest president since creation.

You even said you have collected your originals, whereas you didn't, and yet you applied for it.

Tueh!
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 6:09pm On Oct 05, 2023
izzou:


As much as this case holds little because of technicalities, this guy is shady and God forbid i would defend something that is senseless

You went to CSU
You applied for a replacement, and never collected it till today

Then you went ahead to print another one and parade it as your originals. It took this drama for us to hear it is from a 3rd party aka Oluwole Publishers.

There's no image left for Nigeria. Everybody just dey ruin the little wey remain
He said he claimed it at Chatham's interview as against the "3rd party" WhatsApp outbursts...

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 6:11pm On Oct 05, 2023
Itsrm:


Na wetin dey pain me pass be this. It's as if you picked it right from my mouth. As far as optics go, its not good at all.

Na wa

Na real wa
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:13pm On Oct 05, 2023
izzou:


Maybe forgery can't fly, because he did go to CSU

But this has to be the shadiest president since creation.

You even said you have collected your originals, whereas you didn't, and yet you applied for it.

Tueh!

My brother in christ, someone submitted a fake document that was created from an original but is different and you say it's not forgery that will fly? 😁

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:15pm On Oct 05, 2023
Hope it's not the one somebody will pick a word I said to drive home a point.
Omo I nor send you.
Me just dey shalaye.


Go and face atiku abeg πŸ€šπŸ˜βœ‹

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 6:18pm On Oct 05, 2023
This certificate saga just looks like a ploy by the political class to distract Nigerians from real issues affecting the masses. I don't even get what the noises are all about really. Tinubu will use his four complete years (at least). Na naija we dey where all sorts of illegalities are allowed once you've power and money.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 6:20pm On Oct 05, 2023
Itsrm:


Which position have I shifted? I'm just wondering why he didn't just avoid all the controversies and pick up the replacement he requested for.

Isn't that what any sensible person will do?
Don't get bogged down by unintelligent people who like to strain at gnats and swallow camels. Let's assume he actually re-made the certificate: do you really think the appearance and design is what will be the nail on his coffin?

I once mentioned here that there is a concept called the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. What the judiciary aims to do is to interpret the law AKA explain the INTENT of the law. Like why the law was actually made. That is the spirit of the law.

So why is it a crime to forge a document? To deceive in other to gain an advantage. For e.g If I claim I got my MBA from Stanford rather than Lagos Business School, will I naturally not be able to command a higher salary than otherwise?

When Nigerians forge financial documents or Letters of recommendation to obtain visas or admissions into top schools the intent there was to present oneself at a level to gain an advantage.

One could have argued that an MBA is still an MBA but you and me know that certain colleges and institutions command higher attention A.K.A benefits so the intent is clear as to why anyone will claim they graduated from Stanford rather than LBS.

Now ask yourself what Tinubu had to gain by re-making a diploma in which he did not exaggerate his class of degree or grades neither did he claim to have graduated when he did not? What would be the intent? How was he going to gain an advantage by doing so? That is what the law will check.

Any other conversation people are having here is just a wanton waste of precious time. Same as the junk about going to secondary school or not. As mysterious as those are, they mean little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. It should even add to his credit that he could make something of himself by graduating cum laude from a good institution in the USA - without having the requisite background or training to do so.

That's what should matter.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 6:21pm On Oct 05, 2023
izzou:

Maybe forgery can't fly, because he did go to CSU

But this has to be the shadiest president since creation.

You even said you have collected your originals, whereas you didn't, and yet you applied for it.

Tueh!


The constitution is against certificate forgery. Whether u graduated from Havard, Oxford or Yale e no send. Just submit the accurate docs to the election board. i.e why they're made to swear under oath.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 6:23pm On Oct 05, 2023
raumdeuter:
So after all is said

We are able to confirm that Bola Tinubu graduated from Chicago State University with a degree in Accounting like he always maintained

Atiku thanks for the entertainment
One sheep is leading the herd close to a pool of water. It dives in. Struggling for air as it is drowning because it misjudged the depth of the water. Guess what the rest of the sheep did?

Your guess is as good as mine. grin

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:25pm On Oct 05, 2023
Android17:
Don't get bogged down by unintelligent people who like to strain at gnats and swallow camels. Let's assume he actually re-made the certificate: do you really think the appearance and design is what will be the nail on his coffin?

I once mentioned here that there is a concept called the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. What the judiciary aims to do is to interpret the law AKA explain the INTENT of the law. Like why the law was actually made.

So why was it a crime to forge a document? To deceive in other to gain an advantage. For e.g If I claim I got my MBA from Stanford rather than Lagos Business School, will I naturally not be able to command a higher salary than otherwise?

When Nigerians forge financial documents or Letters of recommendation to obtain visas or admissions into top schools the intent there was to present oneself at a level to gain an advantage.

One could have argued that an MBA is still an MBA but you and me know that certain colleges and institutions command higher attention A.K.A benefits so the intent is clear as to why anyone will claim they graduated from Stanford rather than LBS.

Now ask yourself what Tinubu had to gain by re-making a diploma in which he did not exaggerate his class of degree or grades neither did he claim to have graduated when he did not? What would be the intent? How was he going to gain an advantage by doing so? That is what the law will check.

Any other conversation people are having here is just a wanton waste of precious time. Same as the junk about going to secondary school or not. As mysterious as those are, they mean little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. It should even add to his credit that he could make something of himself by graduating cum laude from a good institution in the USA - without having the requisite background or training to do so.

That's what should matter.
.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 6:28pm On Oct 05, 2023
raumdeuter:
So after all is said

We are able to confirm that Bola Tinubu graduated from Chicago State University with a degree in Accounting like he always maintained

Atiku thanks for the entertainment
Your oga is sending high profile delegates like governors to beg Atiku you are here making noise πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Android17: 6:30pm On Oct 05, 2023
Spy360:

Your oga is sending high profile delegates like governors to beg Atiku you are here making noise πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
To beg Atiku because Tinubu did not graduate from CSU, right?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by CAPdan21(m): 6:36pm On Oct 05, 2023
Elrudebtor and foolish takes na 5&6.. cheesy grin

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 6:36pm On Oct 05, 2023
izzou:


As much as this case holds little because of technicalities, this guy is shady and God forbid i would defend something that is senseless

You went to CSU
You applied for a replacement, and never collected it till today

Then you went ahead to print another one and parade it as your originals. It took this drama for us to hear it is from a 3rd party aka Oluwole Publishers.

There's no image left for Nigeria. Everybody just dey ruin the little wey remain
Tinubu never collected any certificate in 1979. Hence there was no way he was going to get a replacement.

Remember this is an acclaimed first class graduate that doesn't know how to obtain his first class diploma from his school. Spare me the trash talk from agabdo miscreants.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:37pm On Oct 05, 2023
CAPdan21:
Elrudebtor and foolish takes na 5&6.. cheesy grin

Wait that's him? 😁
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 6:39pm On Oct 05, 2023
Spy360:

Your oga is sending high profile delegates like governors to beg Atiku you are here making noise πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯


And atiku could not drop names or hints.

if he simply said - on so and so day - everyone would be able to figure it out.

somehow a high powered delegation of APC governors met with Atiku and no one picked up that several convoys with mopol were at atikus residence or hotel or wherever this make believe meeting held

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 6:40pm On Oct 05, 2023
Android17:
Don't get bogged down by unintelligent people who like to strain at gnats and swallow camels. Let's assume he actually re-made the certificate: do you really think the appearance and design is what will be the nail on his coffin?

I once mentioned here that there is a concept called the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. What the judiciary aims to do is to interpret the law AKA explain the INTENT of the law. Like why the law was actually made. That is the spirit of the law.

So why is it a crime to forge a document? To deceive in other to gain an advantage. For e.g If I claim I got my MBA from Stanford rather than Lagos Business School, will I naturally not be able to command a higher salary than otherwise?

When Nigerians forge financial documents or Letters of recommendation to obtain visas or admissions into top schools the intent there was to present oneself at a level to gain an advantage.

One could have argued that an MBA is still an MBA but you and me know that certain colleges and institutions command higher attention A.K.A benefits so the intent is clear as to why anyone will claim they graduated from Stanford rather than LBS.

Now ask yourself what Tinubu had to gain by re-making a diploma in which he did not exaggerate his class of degree or grades neither did he claim to have graduated when he did not? What would be the intent? How was he going to gain an advantage by doing so? That is what the law will check.

Any other conversation people are having here is just a wanton waste of precious time. Same as the junk about going to secondary school or not. As mysterious as those are, they mean little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. It should even add to his credit that he could make something of himself by graduating cum laude from a good institution in the USA - without having the requisite background or training to do so.

That's what should matter.

I get this. I also know nothing will come out of it at the supreme court.

I'm just wondering why he didn't just pick a certificate he requested for and save us all the drama.

Can you make any sense of it? You went to school, graduated, had reasons to request for your certificate from the school, the school issued it, then you didn't pick it only for you to submit another that will always raise questions about it's integrity.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 6:41pm On Oct 05, 2023
Android17:
Don't get bogged down by unintelligent people who like to strain at gnats and swallow camels. Let's assume he actually re-made the certificate: do you really think the appearance and design is what will be the nail on his coffin?

I once mentioned here that there is a concept called the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. What the judiciary aims to do is to interpret the law AKA explain the INTENT of the law. Like why the law was actually made. That is the spirit of the law.

So why is it a crime to forge a document? To deceive in other to gain an advantage. For e.g If I claim I got my MBA from Stanford rather than Lagos Business School, will I naturally not be able to command a higher salary than otherwise?

When Nigerians forge financial documents or Letters of recommendation to obtain visas or admissions into top schools the intent there was to present oneself at a level to gain an advantage.

One could have argued that an MBA is still an MBA but you and me know that certain colleges and institutions command higher attention A.K.A benefits so the intent is clear as to why anyone will claim they graduated from Stanford rather than LBS.

Now ask yourself what Tinubu had to gain by re-making a diploma in which he did not exaggerate his class of degree or grades neither did he claim to have graduated when he did not? What would be the intent? How was he going to gain an advantage by doing so? That is what the law will check.

Any other conversation people are having here is just a wanton waste of precious time. Same as the junk about going to secondary school or not. As mysterious as those are, they mean little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. It should even add to his credit that he could make something of himself by graduating cum laude from a good institution in the USA - without having the requisite background or training to do so.

That's what should matter.
From your explanation...

Does the law interprete FORGERY differently depending on what it is used for...??


If as a UNILAG graduate,will you forge a replica of your certificate just because you find it boring to travel from your state to Lagos to get itand what do you think will be the outcome if your employer find out after 3 months thru careful cross examination..

Mind you in all of these,you claime that you collected d submitted certs from UNiLAG during interview..

Forgery is divergent,it ranges from replica of what you have already to an outright printing from imagination...


Your personal reasons fot the deceit doesn't in any way invalidates or softened the termed FORGERY

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 6:41pm On Oct 05, 2023
izzou:


As much as this case holds little because of technicalities, this guy is shady and God forbid i would defend something that is senseless

You went to CSU
You applied for a replacement, and never collected it till today

Then you went ahead to print another one and parade it as your originals. It took this drama for us to hear it is from a 3rd party aka Oluwole Publishers.

There's no image left for Nigeria. Everybody just dey ruin the little wey remain

for institutions that generate a lot of paper there is something called a document retention and disposal policy. no business will hold on to hard copy documents indefinitely as storage comes with a cost

so if i make a request for a document and for whatever reason am unable to collect it after a period the document will be thrashed.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 6:47pm On Oct 05, 2023
Let me sit back and watch people explain away without evidence 😎

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