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helinues:
So in short,those who inserted do not bow to any statue in the bible was just so drunk.

Learnt new things today

illicit:
Alright

So in essence

Catholics are idol worshippers just like the Babalawo?

illicit:
That's not worship

That's greeting

Dtruthspeaker:
That's a lie.

We know the difference between great respect (reverence) and worship. And reverence is very short lived and always expires once it's been given.

And it is not given to statues ONLY LIVING PERSONS hence why you said "greeting someone..."

A statue is not a someone but a thing, some THING!

Michael547:
Are we not suppose to pray through the name of Jesus?
Where does the Bible instructs Christians to pray through saints?

immortalcrown:
You yourself should answer your question by explaining why those other Churches buy stickers, wristbands, holy water, hang pastors' pictures on the walls of their homes and worship those pastors.

BOSSkesh:
You have a very shallow mind
I won’t reply you anymore...

safarifarms:
Are you now following the example of other churches instead of biblical instructions? Do you also justify what those churches do just because its in tune with your own practice? Does that make the biblical injunction irrelevant?

Felimax:
Because what Catholics understand in the Canons no one else does.

Because the Catholic Church remains the Pillar and Foundation of Truth.

Think about this for a minute.
The millions of Catholic elites, the early Christians and fathers of the church, the Apostles cannot all be wrong.

There is no where in the world where Catholics do libations or ritual to any image.

There is no image within the church that has no human identify and that is why we don't worship and can never worship them. We venerate the holy persons that those pictures, or icons or statues represent. We know them and we call their names.

The Catholic Church is not any church anybody can wake up tomorrow and claim the Spirit said. Every teaching of the Church has gone through rigorous process before it is considered a DOGMA and that is why you see that the church is universally united.

Within the Catholic Church are 26 different churches all united under one head the POPE so what you think may not be too necessary.

If we want to go to a church where there are no images we know where to go but we choose the part of the Apostles and this part we shall follow till His kingdom come. No Jupiter born of Saturn can change it because "The Gates of Hades Shall NEVER PREVAIL against the Church founded by CHRIST HIMSELF.

Shalom!

immortalcrown:
Are you now saying that both the Catholic and other Churches do not follow biblical instructions? If yes, why do you focus on only the Catholic use of the image of the virgin Mary?

safarifarms:
Someone created this thread to ask the Catholics about their practice. I just stumbled on it and got curious too to know what the Catholics have to say about it. There may be other threads concerning the other churches or someone would create one tomorrow. So don't make it about focus on the Catholics and don't use other people's wrong practice to justify what you are doing.

BOSSkesh:
It’s called reverence not worship

It’s just like when you’re greeting someone greater,older,richer than you, you bow as a sign of respect or curtesy
So you bow not to worship but bow to pay respect

Also you don’t ”pray to” Mary or Joseph or any of the saints you pray through them because you believe they are in heaven so they can drop your prayers and petitions directly at the feet of God

The lord is interesting

immortalcrown:
The way some people believe that the power of God is in Church stickers is how the Catholics believe that God is present around statue. So, Catholics bow to God, not to statue. The same Catholic bow when receiving the Holy Communion. They don't bow for the unleavened bread but for the flesh and blood of Jesus believed to be present in the unleavened bread. The same Catholics bow in front of their Church buildings but the bow is for God and not for the building itself.

The statue of mary is just one of the statues used by the Catholic Church, it is not the only statue in front of which the Catholics bow. So, what is your point?

If your intention is to question why Mary's statue deserves to be used by the Catholic, let me give you the answer. You respect your mother for giving birth to you. You also respect your pastor and say he is anointed. But because you want something to use as an excuse to castigate the Catholic, you don't want the woman who birthed Jesus Christ to be respected or recognised. Between Mary and the pastors and mothers of today, who is the greatest or purest person? Answer this question if you want us to continue this conversation.

immortalcrown:
I used the practises of other Churches to answer the question raised by the poster. I did it to make the answer very relatable. But you don't want to accept the truth. You think you are smart here.

tiswell:
Catholics and their religious dogma.

Mary is not purer than my own mother,besides,why is Joseph,the father of Jesus not immortalized,even when he endured the fact that his wife got impregnated through mysterious means?

tiswell:
Mary is not in heaven,bible made it clear that there's no woman in heaven.
All the angels and hosts of heaven are all males.
Ever wonder why there is serenity in heaven?

safarifarms:
What truth do you want me to accept?

The bible says don't do this and you do it, the people question you on why you do it, you now point to other people who also do it as if its justification and fudge to explain why you ignore clear biblical instruction.

Now you say that I don't want to accept the truth and you have not stated what truth you wish me to accept. Then claim that I think I'm smart? How did you arrive at such an idea?

immortalcrown:
are you not fooling yourself here? December who you claim to use to judge the Catholic explains that Mary was chosen because she is of the right lineage. The Bible saying that Mary is of the right lineage means that some other women are not from the right lineage. In the world, not every family is treated as a royal family Because not every family produces a king for the community. This explains why Mary is respected. On the side of Joseph, he is honoured but not as much as Mary is honoured. There is an obvious reason for that. Joseph didn't marry Mary until after the conception of Jesus Christ.

immortalcrown:
I used the practises of other Churches to answer the question raised by the poster. I did it to make the answer very relatable. But you don't want to accept the truth. You think you are smart here.

safarifarms:
On the bolded, do you have a problem interacting with smart people? Would you prefer that I'm not smart?

immortalcrown:
You are just fooling yourself here. What you are trying to do here is selective justice. Other Churches put the pictures of their pastors on the walls of their homes and on their cars, you have not questioned it the way you questioned the Catholic's use of the image of the Virgin Mary. Does the Bible tell other Churches to put the images of pastors on cars and house walls? Answer this very question, if you sincerely want to discuss the Catholic and their use of the image of the Virgin Mary.

immortalcrown:
No. I prefer dealing with smart people. My point is you are not as smart as you think. If you are not trying to play smart, why do you tell me that the post is about the Catholic but you refuse to admit that what you are condemning the Catholic for happens in other Churches in other forms?

safarifarms:
Just as expected, you've turned to insults. No wonder you don't like interacting with smart people.

I didn't want to derail the thread as it was about Catholic. But fine, if your church uses, stickers, and images of their pastor on their cars, can you also explain why you do so?

I think that settles it, can you now explain why Catholic ignores biblical instructions? I have not insulted you. The comments we have exchanged proves that you are fooling yourself by dodging the reality that will prove you wrong in the arguement. I can explain why other Churches use the pictures of their pastors but that will be an escape route for you if I do it. So you should be the one to explain why those Churches use the pictures of their pastors. In fact, you should first admit that those other churches use the pictures of their pastors, and you should explain why you overlooked their own and you are trying to address only that of the Catholic Church.

immortalcrown:
You are just fooling yourself here. What you are trying to do here is selective justice. Other Churches put the pictures of their pastors on the walls of their homes and on their cars, you have not questioned it the way you questioned the Catholic's use of the image of the Virgin Mary. Does the Bible tell other Churches to put the images of pastors on cars and house walls? Answer this very question, if you sincerely want to discuss the Catholic and their use of the image of the Virgin Mary.

safarifarms:
See the person who claims he's smart. Where did I refuse to admit that similar thing happens in other churches?

I simply asked you if their wrong practice justifies ignoring bible instructions.

safarifarms:
However, your resort to insults is clear indication that you don't have an answer to the question. So I'll leave you to avoid more,insults.

Shalom.

safarifarms:
Exodus 20:
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

As per your statement, Because what Catholics understand in the Canons no one else does.

Please what do the Catholics understand of this statement?

Michael547:
Are we not suppose to pray through the name of Jesus?
Where does the Bible instructs Christians to pray through saints?

immortalcrown:
You are just fooling yourself here. What you are trying to do here is selective justice. Other Churches put the pictures of their pastors on the walls of their homes and on their cars, you have not questioned it the way you questioned the Catholic's use of the image of the Virgin Mary. Does the Bible tell other Churches to put the images of pastors on cars and house walls? Answer this very question, if you sincerely want to discuss the Catholic and their use of the image of the Virgin Mary.

safarifarms:
What does the bolded mean?

Atheists keep saying that Christians resort to insults when their believes are being questioned and feel appalled by such deductions because unfortunately its true.

I see it all the time. But guess what, its only those who can't properly defend what they believe in that resort to that.

Mind you I won't waste my time arguing with atheists anyway, they are like the Pharisees who saw Jesus work wonders and attributed his works to Beelzebub so arguing with them is a waste of time.

But for you my dear brother, let the bible be your standard, not what your church says (if it disagrees with the bible) even if other churches do similar things too.

At the end of it all, those would not count. Its what the bible says that would count.

God bless you.

Felimax:
Exodus 25:10-22
Instructions For Making The Ark Of The Covenant

10 “They shall construct an ark of acacia wood two and a half cubits long, and one and a half cubits wide, and one and a half cubits high. 11 You shall overlay it with pure gold, inside and out you shall overlay it, and you shall make a gold molding around it. 12 You shall cast four gold rings for it and fasten them on its four feet, and two rings shall be on one side of it and two rings on the other side of it. 13 You shall make poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold. 14 You shall put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark, to carry the ark with them. 15 The poles shall remain in the rings of the ark; they shall not be removed from it. 16 You shall put into the ark the testimony which I shall give you. 17 “You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold, two and a half cubits long and one and a half cubits wide. 18 You shall make two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the mercy seat at its two ends. 20 The cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the mercy seat. 21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you. 22 There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel.

When you read the Bible out of context you end up having complicating views and understanding.

Listen again, in the Catholic Church is 26 different churches all universally united under one head The Pope!

The church has gone past this stage thousands of years ago and thousands of years to come the Church will still triumph over heresy.

Peace!