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slickbak:
I think everyday is a page in the Bible

Why would there be a need for every day to be a page in the Bible?

jmoore:
■ Wrong question. Many pastors have authored many books.

And every single one of those books proven lies when validated against the Word out of God's mouth mind you. Cementing the place of all of your pastors and mogs are the false teachers and false prophets that Jesus Christ warned His followers to steer clear of in Scripture.

Jokerman:
Revelations is the end

More like God put a seal on prophets and visions — Nothing new has come from God to men since after the end of days which took place about 1900 years ago - Joel 2 vs 28 - 31& Daniel 9 vs 24.

tctrills:
The question isn't about books, it's about God's revelations.

Revelations of what exactly, science or religion?
Because the book of revelation centred on Christ and nothing else
You saw my question that the emphases were pertaining to the resurrection of Christ right?
So, why are you ignoring that?

You should be asking if God has spoken again to mankind since after the book of revelations

there are various ways God speaks to people.
For instance, if a child goes astray and his parent speaks to him, it ia believed that God is speaking to the child through his parents, there is nothing new about that

You seem to believe that everything God said outside the compiled books in the bible is of less quality.

no!
wrong assumption.

I think I have already said that other books have their relevance.
For instance, I believe that that God inspired scientists to write their books too.
So, the relevance of a science book is science, and that of the book of revelation is Christ.
So, i can't possibly say that a science book is of lower quality, seeing that what a science book seek to address has no bearing for comparison with the book of revelation.

Hence, the question i asked you, do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to Christ?

I don't expect you to mention a science book or any book that is irrelevant of Christ

tctrills:
You may be right but there are some moral questions not answered in the bible such as
1. Slavery
2. Genocide and war crimes
3. Marrying underaged girls
Today we see all these as sins but maybe not in bible times. Don't you think that God's revelations are needed now just as in bible times?

From my study of history, the above listed are a reflection of the highest levels of societal civilization at that time.
1. Slave labour replaced by machines
2. Genocide and war crimes are still happening in less developed societies but as a result of the insatiable human need for control and power.
3. Underage marriage was and is prevalent because in old institutions and the “backward” institutions of the present, there was/is no formal education to inform girls to think independently before marriage.


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slickbak:
From my study of history, the above listed are a reflection of the highest levels of societal civilization at that time.
1. Slave labour replaced by machines
2. Genocide and war crimes are still happening in less developed societies but as a result of the insatiable human need for control and power.
3. Underage marriage was and is prevalent because in old institutions and the “backward” institutions of the present, there was/is no formal education to inform girls to think independently before marriage.


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So you don't think these are moral questions?
You don't think as a Christian it's sinful to own slaves?
Or you don't think God cares about that?

paxonel:
Revelations of what exactly, science or religion?
Because the book of revelation centred on Christ and nothing else
You saw my question that the emphases were pertaining to the resurrection of Christ right?
So, why are you ignoring that?
there are various ways God speaks to people.
For instance, if a child goes astray and his parent speaks to him, it ia believed that God is speaking to the child through his parents, there is nothing new about that
no!
wrong assumption.

I think I have already said that other books have their relevance.
For instance, I believe that that God inspired scientists to write their books too.
So, the relevance of a science book is science, and that of the book of revelation is Christ.
So, i can't possibly say that a science book is of lower quality, seeing that what a science book seek to address has no bearing for comparison with the book of revelation.

Hence, the question i asked you, do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to Christ?

I don't expect you to mention a science book or any book that is irrelevant of Christ

First, parents correcting a child is not the same as God speaking to the child. I would love to see where you got that from. A bible reference would do.

Secondly, I am not speaking about scientific instructions or revelations. I am speaking specifically about revelations from men of God.
Revelations relating to things of God and holiness.
Do you think that God no longer gives such?
And if He does, are they in anyway inferior to those found in the bible?

tctrills:
First, parents correcting a child is not the same as God speaking to the child

OK,

. I would love to see where you got that from. A bible reference would do.

it's not bible reference.
Most African traditions believe that.
They put it that the voice of man can also be the voice of God in some circumstance. Especially in parental advice.
And this has proven right in most cases since parents were usually experienced in life, compared to their children.

Secondly, I am not speaking about scientific instructions or revelations. I am speaking specifically about revelations from men of God.
Revelations relating to things of God and holiness.
Do you think that God no longer gives such?
And if He does, are they in anyway inferior to those found in the bible?

so, what revelation do God give to these men of God that will warrant it to be written in a bible,
Revelation about a third covenant?

paxonel:
OK,
it's not bible reference.
Most African traditions believe that.
They put it that the voice of man can also be the voice of God in some circumstance. Especially in parental advice.
And this has proven right in most cases since parents were usually experienced in life, compared to their children.
so, what revelation do God give to these men of God that will warrant it to be written in a bible,
Revelation about a third covenant?

So I am talking 100% from a Christian point of view. I really don't know so much about African traditional religion.

No revelation should be added to the bible, the bible is already a collection of its own.
But the question is, are the revelations in the bible any more important that the revelations given to your local pastor?
And what do you mean when you talk about a third covenant?

tctrills:
So I am talking 100% from a Christian point of view. I really don't know so much about African traditional religion.

No revelation should be added to the bible, the bible is already a collection of its own.
But the question is, are the revelations in the bible any more important that the revelations given to your local pastor?
And what do you mean when you talk about a third covenant?

first covenant waa Abrahamic covenant, hence the old testament was written to Israelites.
Second covenant was that of Christ, hence the new testament was written and added.
So, if there is any necessity to add to the bible, then there must be a third covenant perhaps of the local pastor adding to the bible, not of Christ.

Whether the revelations in bible are anymore important than that of Local pastors?
We already know the revelations in the bible.
Let's hear that of local pastors and compare it with that of the bible. The revelations of the bible will always be superior. while that of the local pastors will never stand a chance, therefore will not possibly added to the bible

paxonel:
first covenant waa Abrahamic covenant, hence the old testament was written to Israelites.
Second covenant was that of Christ, hence the new testament was written and added.
So, if there is any necessity to add to the bible, then there must be a third covenant perhaps of the local pastor adding to the bible, not of Christ.

Whether the revelations in bible are anymore important than that of Local pastors?
We already know the revelations in the bible.
Let's hear that of local pastors and compare it with that of the bible. The revelations of the bible will always be superior. while that of the local pastors will never stand a chance, therefore will not possibly added to the bible

Now to the question I asked, since you believe that God words are of different grades, with those found in the bible of a higher grade than those he gives to your local pastor, do you have any verse in the bible that says so or is it just your opinion?
Again if it's your opinion, I will respect it but I prefer you quote the word of God to show that any revelation he give that isn't recorded in the bible is of a lower quality.
Secondly, can you show where it was written that the new covenant ended with the book of Revelations. If the new covenant isn't over then and revelation God gives today is a new testament revelation. Or do you think that the bible ended the covenant of God?

tctrills:
Now to the question I asked, since you believe that God words are of different grades, with those found in the bible of a higher grade than those he gives to your local pastor, do you have any verse in the bible that says so

I cannot answer your question until you specify one example of revelation given to local pastors.
All the revelations in the bible are being specified, you know them.

So, i can't answer your question until you do the needful.
No one can answer your question either until you specify

i think it was the council of cartage that opened canon, that is the book that they want to include in the manual for their new religion, and the council of Hippo that closed canon in 419CE.. i wonder their reason for doing so...

probably because to get a uniform ideology...

the Jewish scripture started from Genesis and ended in Deuteronomy...which basically is the law. All others are just footnotes....that is from Joshua to Malachi....

tctrills:
You are right, you should go and leave the space for intelligent people who don't insult to cover up their ignorance and stupidity.
I showed you a verse in Deuteronomy which I am certain you have never come across because you pastor has not shown it to you.
Proud ignoramus.

Dtruithspeaker....this is not sonmvayina or 22jumpstreat....

It is piling up....when will you take my offer...

paxonel:
I cannot answer your question until you specify one example of revelation given to local pastors.
All the revelations in the bible are being specified, you know them.

So, i can't answer your question until you do the needful.
No one can answer your question either until you specify

What do you mean by specify? Please explain.
Each pastor or each man of God is entitled to his own revelations so when you say specify, what really do you want me to do? Do you want me to mention a pastor's name.
If that is the case, is God's revelations to Pastor Adeboye of a lower grade to his revelations to Paul the apostle?
And does God's revelations to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

tctrills:
What do you mean by specify? Please explain.
Each pastor or each man of God is entitled to his own revelations so when you say specify, what really do you want me to do? Do you want me to mention a pastor's name.
If that is the case, is God's revelations to Pastor Adeboye of a lower grade to his revelations to Paul the apostle?
And does God's revelations to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Take note of the emboldened.
The revelation of John was specifically centred on Jesus Christ that's why it was documented in the bible.

If you are saying that pastor Adeboye's revelation for example, should also be documented in the bible, then mention one example of any such kind of Adeboye's revelation that he has revealed that is worth included in the bible.
Is that too difficult?

paxonel:
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Take note of the emboldened.
The revelation of John was specifically centred on Jesus Christ that's why it was documented in the bible.

If you are saying that pastor Adeboye's revelation for example, should also be documented in the bible, then mention one example of any such kind of Adeboye's revelation that he has revealed that is worth included in the bible.
Is that too difficult?

I have never said anyone's revelations should be added in the bible. I really don't know where you got that one from. Why should we include any pastors revelations in the bible. The bible was complied 100s of years ago. I don't see the benefit of constantly adding new books to the bible. Please let's not get distracted. No one ever mentioned adding new passages to the bible.
Now back to my questions sir. Are the revelations of God to Paul of a higher grade than those given to pastor Adeboye.
And does the revelations given to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

tctrills:
This is a platform for many. Share your ideas first then recommend. We can't have interest in reading the book unless you give us a reason to. Hope you understand my point here. You book may have all the answers but you need to properly introduce it to us.

The book is a combined effort of several scholars. It contains the history of how the Judeo-Christian religious writings of the 1st and second century A.D became part of the Bible you have today.

OgaNightmare:
The book is a combined effort of several scholars. It contains the history of how the Judeo-Christian religious writings of the 1st and second century A.D became part of the Bible you have today.

Does it explain why the bible did not continue after the book of Revelations? Because no one seems to be addressing the question

tctrills:
You are right, you should go and leave the space for intelligent people who don't insult to cover up their ignorance and stupidity.
I showed you a verse in Deuteronomy which I am certain you have never come across because you pastor has not shown it to you.
Proud ignoramus.

Common sense would have told you that the Deuteronomy and Revelations Commandments refer to man not adding or removing God's Word.

But that does not block God from adding/removing His Word.

Which is why the prophets added to Deuteronomy by saying God Said it aka "Thus Said The Lord' until Johns own version of Thus Said The Lord, where God tells us everything about the end of this world as earlier prophecied by other prophets.

And common sense would have told you that no one speaks after the end has been given.

tctrills:
I have never said anyone's revelations should be added in the bible. I really don't know where you got that one from. Why should we include any pastors revelations in the bible. The bible was complied 100s of years ago. I don't see the benefit of constantly adding new books to the bible. Please let's not get distracted. No one ever mentioned adding new passages to the bible.
Now back to my questions sir. Are the revelations of God to Paul of a higher grade than those given to pastor Adeboye.
And does the revelations given to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

to be frank with you, i don't know one revelation that was given to pastor Adeboye, that's why i say you should mention one.

For you to start saying that there was revelation given to pastor Adeboye, that means you have heard about the revelation?
So why don't you say it?

paxonel:
to be frank with you, i don't know one revelation that was given to pastor Adeboye, that's why i say you should mention one.

For you to start saying that there was revelation given to pastor Adeboye, that means you have heard about the revelation?
So why don't you say it?

I used him as an example. But to understand you better, are you saying that God no longer reveals Himself to his servants?

Now if he does, are his present day revelations in anyway inferior to those in the bible? I hope these are clear enough questions for you now.

Maybe you should address them in this order

1. Does God still speak to his servants in present day?
2. Are his words to them inferior to those given to his servants in the bible?
3. Does his present revelations constitute a 3rd covenant?
I would appreciate your direct and honest answers.
Thanks.

Dtruthspeaker:
Common sense would have told you that the Deuteronomy and Revelations Commandments refer to man not adding or removing God's Word.

But that does not block God from adding/removing His Word.

Which is why the prophets added to Deuteronomy by saying God Said it aka "Thus Said The Lord' until Johns own version of Thus Said The Lord, where God tells us everything about the end of this world as earlier prophecied by other prophets.

And common sense would have told you that no one speaks after the end has been given.

Oga if you had any sense you would have read and understand that I was never talking about man adding to God's words but God revealing himself to man even after the bible.
Again, where is it written that revelations is the end of God's word.
Is it written that God would stop revealing his words after the book of revelations.
Please explain and stop acting like a 15 years old heart broken girlfriend.
You are too old for this childishness.

tctrills:
Oga if you had any sense you would have read and understand that I was never talking about man adding to God's words but God revealing himself to man even after the bible.
Again, where is it written that revelations is the end of God's word.
Is it written that God would stop revealing his words after the book of revelations.
Please explain and stop acting like a 15 years old heart broken girlfriend.
You are too old for this childishness.

And I am saying that if you are able to appreciate that the way Revelation ended, it is clear for any reasonable person to see that God has Said His all and would definitely not be speaking again as He has already stated everything we need.

tctrills:
I used him as an example. But to understand you better, are you saying that God no longer reveals Himself to his servants?

Every Christians are equally servants of God

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, God can reveal himself to any Christian, not just only pastors .
As a matter of fact, revelations of God is not restricted to Christians alone or the religion circle alone to reveal.
God encompasses everything we can perceive with our five senses.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein.

There are so many unbelievers, atheists, Muslims and even idolaterers fornicators, drunkards, whom God had used in time past, without them knowing that it was God that gave them the ability to reveal great discoveries in science, technology, medicine, art, graphics, economics, accounting, entertainment etc

Now if he does, are his present day revelations in anyway inferior to those in the bible?

No!

whatever category of revelation be it in religion, science, art, entertainment, commerce, etc, they are all equally important.
No one is superior or inferior to the other.

The same was applied to bible days.
During the medieval era when most of the biblical events occurred, we have heard of people like Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Alexander the Great and a lot of great characters of the Greek mythology.
They did not stop the revelation of John about Jesus Christ we have read in the bible.

The difference is that, our modern day revelations and discoveries are much more better due to advancement in education, science and technology. Only that religion has become backward due to dogmatism.

I hope these are clear enough questions for you now.

Maybe you should address them in this order

1. Does God still speak to his servants in present day?

God speaks to everyone in their own little way.
If a pastor, educator or even parents is privileged to guide another person then it should be done through knowledge and understanding.
Gone are the days God will reveal things to people in vision and in dreams like we saw in the book of revelation. You have to acquire knowledge which is the greatest power.

2. Are his words to them inferior to those given to his servants in the bible?

I can tell that most pastors today are knowledgeable people. Examples are pastor Adeboye, pastor David Oyedepo, pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Bishop Wale Ajayi etc.

I don't think that there is any servant of God in the bible that has ever attend the kind of vast knowledge and understanding possessed by these modern day pastors and ordinary Christians like me and you living today.
Only that, servants of God in bible like Paul, Peter, James and John understood the structure of religion and work with it.
And us today, inspite our vast knowledge, revelations and wisdom in literacy and reading books, our pastors keep confusing themselves our simple structure of religion, and that isn't good for us, and is largely responsible for the confusions we have in religion today.

3. Does his present revelations constitute a 3rd covenant?

No!
It's still the same covenant Christ came with

paxonel:
Every Christians are equally servants of God

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, God can reveal himself to any Christian, not just only pastors .
As a matter of fact, revelations of God is not restricted to Christians alone or the religion circle alone to reveal.
God encompasses everything we can perceive with our five senses.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein.

There are so many unbelievers, atheists, Muslims and even idolaterers fornicators, drunkards, whom God had used in time past, without them knowing that it was God that gave them the ability to reveal great discoveries in science, technology, medicine, art, graphics, economics, accounting, entertainment etc
No!

whatever category of revelation be it in religion, science, art, entertainment, commerce, etc, they are all equally important.
No one is superior or inferior to the other.

The same was applied to bible days.
During the medieval era when most of the biblical events occurred, we have heard of people like Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Alexander the Great and a lot of great characters of the Greek mythology.
They did not stop the revelation of John about Jesus Christ we have read in the bible.

The difference is that, our modern day revelations and discoveries are much more better due to advancement in education, science and technology. Only that religion has become backward due to dogmatism.
God speaks to everyone in their own little way.
If a pastor, educator or even parents is privileged to guide another person then it should be done through knowledge and understanding.
Gone are the days God will reveal things to people in vision and in dreams like we saw in the book of revelation. You have to acquire knowledge which is the greatest power.
I can tell that most pastors today are knowledgeable people. Examples are pastor Adeboye, pastor David Oyedepo, pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Bishop Wale Ajayi etc.

I don't think that there is any servant of God in the bible that has ever attend the kind of vast knowledge and understanding possessed by these modern day pastors and ordinary Christians like me and you living today.
Only that, servants of God in bible like Paul, Peter, James and John understood the structure of religion and work with it.
And us today, inspite our vast knowledge, revelations and wisdom in literacy and reading books, our pastors keep confusing themselves our simple structure of religion, and that isn't good for us, and is largely responsible for the confusions we have in religion today.
No!
It's still the same covenant Christ came with

You said so much but let me summarize what I understood.
1. God's revelations today don't have a lesser value than those in the bible.
2. We are not in a 3rd covenant. Every revelation given today is a new testament revelation.
Please correct me if I was wrong.
I only disagree with you in one instance. A science based revelation is not of equal importance as a revelation about salvation.
Our salvation is far more importance that our science achievement.
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.
But then we are mostly on the same page.

Dtruthspeaker:
And I am saying that if you are able to appreciate that the way Revelation ended, it is clear for any reasonable person to see that God has Said His all and would definitely not be speaking again as He has already stated everything we need.

Explain. Where did He say that he has said all he had to say and would definitely not be speaking again.
Please feel free to quote the Bible. I noticed you are not too good at quoting from it. You prefer to express personal opinions.

tctrills:
You said so much but let me summarize what I understood.
1. God's revelations today don't have a lesser value than those in the bible.

very correct

2. We are not in a 3rd covenant.

very correct

Every revelation given today is a new testament revelation.
please correct me if i am wrong

no!
revelations are not restricted to new covenant or religion.
Revelation can be in science, technology, accounting, commerce and every spheres of knowledge.

I only disagree with you in one instance. A science based revelation is not of equal importance as a revelation about salvation.
Our salvation is far more importance that our science achievement

what are we saved for?
Is it not for us to live forever according to how God created Adam and Eve from the on-set, to replenish the earth as instructed by God when he created mankind from the beginning? Genesis 1:28

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.

but we are not loosing our soul.
We have been bought through Christ.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Oh, you don't know that we have been translated already?

That is the structure of religion I am talking about that Paul preached that our current day pastors have failed to preach

But then we are mostly on the same page.

I can see that you are already equipped scripturally to understand

paxonel:
very correct

2. We are not in a 3rd covenant.very correct

Every revelation given today is a new testament revelation.
please correct me if i am wrong
no!
revelations are not restricted to new covenant or religion.
Revelation can be in science, technology, according, commerce and every spheres of knowledge.

I only disagree with you in one instance. A science based revelation is not of equal importance as a revelation about salvation.
Our salvation is far more importance that our science achievement what are we saved for?
Is it not for us to live forever according to how God created Adam and Eve from the on-set, and replenish the earth as instructed by God when he created mankind from the beginning? Genesis 1:28

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul. but we are not loosing our soul.
We have been bought through Christ.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Oh, you don't know that we have been translated already?

That is the structure of religion I am talking about that Paul preached that our current day pastors have failed to preach


But then we are mostly on the same page.

So as children of God, we are saved to inherite the promises of Christ not merely to live forever.
We are co-heirs with Christ. So again I know you are wrong when you said science based revelations are of equal importance as the revelations of the spirit. Remember your Bible talks about the difference between the canal mind and the spiritual mind. The reward of the greatest scientist is nothing compared to that of the ignorant illiterate who keeps the commandments of God.
Finally, please explain what Paul preached that no present day pastor is preaching.
Remember, you don't expect 2 different servants of God to have exactly the same message.

tctrills:
The story of the bible began before the creation but suddenly ends at the book of revelations.
Why do you think it stopped? Here are two possible reasons, what do you think.
1. God has already revealed everything to mankind
2. There was no one qualified to record the words and revelations of God.

Any new revelation for the church eneded with the twelve apostles.
Why? Because The are the foundations of the church.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Note Paul said they (the apostles of Jesus) were set to be last.
The last to be given any new revelation about the mysteries of the kingdom.
Any pastor or whoever it maybe that claim to have a new revelation concerning christ and his kingdom is lying.

1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

Steep:
Any new revelation for the church eneded with the twelve apostles.
Why? Because The are the foundations of the church.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Note Paul said they (the apostles of Jesus) were set to be last.
The last to be given any new revelation about the mysteries of the kingdom.
Any pastor or whoever it maybe that claim to have a new revelation concerning christ and his kingdom is lying.

1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

You showed a few verses but none of them indicated in anyway that revelations ended with the apostles so where did you get that idea.
Now let me point you to another verse.
Acts 2
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

I hope this has changed your mind.

tctrills:
So as children of God, we are saved to inherite the promises of Christ not merely to live forever.
We are co-heirs with Christ.

Exactly!

So again I know you are wrong when you said science based revelations are of equal importance as the revelations of the spirit. Remember your Bible talks about the difference between the canal mind and the spiritual mind.

that who are the canally minded and who are the spiritually minded?
You see, our pastors have failed to distinguish between them and that's the problem.
I'm not saying they are not trying, I'm only say that let their education be more accurate and precise. This will help curb the many confusions in Christianity.
You have agreed that we are saved to inherit the promises of Christ, not just only eternal life.
So, you see that the promises of Christ are equally important as eternal life. Because, of what essence is life when you don't enjoy the things thereof or do we live to agony?
God forbid!
We live to replenish this world.
As we go about the task professionally, we also enjoy the fruit of our labour.

The reward of the greatest scientist is nothing compared to that of the ignorant illiterate who keeps the commandments of God.
Finally, please explain what Paul preached that no present day pastor is preaching.
Remember, you don't expect 2 different servants of God to have exactly the same message.

due to variation, sure!

But that not withstanding, the message of the gospel is one, so variation isn't an excuse not to be accurate with it.
And it summerizes in this parable of Jesus Christ

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Matthew 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Matthew13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mathhew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

So, what do you take of this parable?
Because, i know that after carefully applying what Jesus meant, i now know that what our pastors are doing especially in Africa, are simply child's play, shared ignorance and exploitive at the expense of the poor.
So, even when the government is doing the same, the church cannot summon the moral courage fight against the impunity as the light of the world.
In Europe, this problem has been solved largely.
I took time to study how religion is practiced in Europe and some other parts of the world and soon discover that Africans just like suffering for nothing out of ignorance.