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Prophets do not commit such sinful acts. We believe that these stories from the Old Testament regarding the prophets are partially embedded with fabrications and warped narrations to create a spicy/false stories.

A prophet of God would never commit adultery and be enslaved to his temptations to the point that he causes a woman’s husband to die in the battlefield so he could marry this woman who he lusts after. In Islam David is a pious, righteous king and prophet for his peoples just like how messengers and prophets of God are supposed to set examples for the people whom they were sent to.

There are other such stories in the Bible such as Lot and his daughters, Elisha and the kids mauled by bears, etc that is totally out of character.

Is (QS. Saad 38: Verse 23)
"Indeed this, my brother, has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe; so he said, 'Entrust her to me,' and he overpowered me in speech" the statement of one litigant or both of them?
What did the other litigant who wanted judgement say? Did he say anything?

Is this not the mistake David a.s committed in not hearing both sides of a dispute?
How is there fairness without reviewing the interests or it suits your goal to destroy the character of one God deemed close to him in making him a callous dictator?

David, without hearing from the other party, said: "He did you wrong by taking the sheep back, and many partners oppress one another, except for those who are believers.

So are u saying David err in his judgement. Didn't Allah endow him the gift of decisive judgement.
Is this not a contradiction.

Anyway, unless u bring your Scholastic source. Above is your own bias opinion and desperate attempt to justify the Koran against the bible.

AbuTwins:


The biblical Jesus was portrayed worse!

Does your Quran teach y to talk against Jesus?

SIRTee15:


So are u saying David err in his judgement. Didn't Allah endow him the gift of decisive judgement.
Is this not a contradiction.

Anyway, unless u bring your Scholastic source. Above is your own bias opinion and desperate attempt to justify the Koran against the bible.

Alas you feign blindness at things evidently clear:

"[David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." [b]And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] [/b]and turned in repentance [to Allah]."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 24)


And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrab (a praying place or a private room). When they entered in upon David, he was terrified of them, they said: Fear not! (We are) two litigants, one of whom has wronged the other; therefore judge between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, and guide us to the Right Way.

““Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: ‘Hand it over to me,’ and he overpowered me in speech.”David said immediately without listening to the opponent: “He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few.”And David guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.O David! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah.

https://muhammadsufian./2010/12/25/the-story-of-prophet-dawud-two-litigants-the-authentic-version/


"Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: 'Hand it over to me,' and he overpowered me in speech."

Dawud said immediately without listening to the opponent: "He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few."

And Dawud guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.

O Dawud! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allah shall have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning. (38:21-26 Quran).

https://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-of-islam/1711-prophet-dawud-david.html

You believe in partial or impartial justice? Perhaps you can give fair justice without holistic consideration of issues.

Please you have an attribute you pretend to be incapable of using. Or do you draw faith in attributing detestable things to prophets of God as a means to encourage improper behaviour in faulty hope that you will be forgiven? Why will you deliberately do wrong in belief that you will be forgiven. Where lies your sincerity?

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Alas you feign blindness at things evidently clear:

"[David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." [b]And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] [/b]and turned in repentance [to Allah]."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 24)


And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrab (a praying place or a private room). When they entered in upon David, he was terrified of them, they said: Fear not! (We are) two litigants, one of whom has wronged the other; therefore judge between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, and guide us to the Right Way.

““Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: ‘Hand it over to me,’ and he overpowered me in speech.”David said immediately without listening to the opponent: “He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few.”And David guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.O David! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah.

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"Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: 'Hand it over to me,' and he overpowered me in speech."

Dawud said immediately without listening to the opponent: "He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few."

And Dawud guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.

O Dawud! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allah shall have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning. (38:21-26 Quran).

https://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-of-islam/1711-prophet-dawud-david.html

You believe in partial or impartial justice? Perhaps you can give fair justice without holistic consideration of issues.

Please you have an attribute you pretend to be incapable of using. Or do you draw faith in attributing detestable things to prophets of God as a means to encourage improper behaviour in faulty hope that you will be forgiven? Why will you deliberately do wrong in belief that you will be forgiven. Where lies your sincerity?

Hello my brother!
How you seem to swallow illogicalities still amaze me. I will proove that to you with just some simple questions.

To you, the Tafsir of Al-Tabari is wrong and you know Islam better than him.

1. Qur'an 38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment

But you are saying that David did not have wisdom and sagasity in judgment because he decided based on hearing only the poor man speak.

Is the claim of Allah wrong in verse 20?

2. Qur'an 38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - (the story of the two) who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary (in which David prayed)

a. Tell me how it is logical for a poor man who want to seek redress from the king force or coherse or pasuaded the rich man to scale the walls of the palace of the king with him.

b. Tell me how the security details of King David didn't apprehend them. Was it a miracle or the two men decided to be extremely quiet!?

3. Qur'an 38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not!( We are but) two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show (both of) us the way to rectitude

Note that this wasn't a monologue as you want us to believe: both men spoke to the king. Is that untrue?

4. Quran 38:24 Said (David) : “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another (all) save those who believe (in God) and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And (suddenly) David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance

a. Was David in error with his judgment?
If he was in error, how then is the rich man justified for taking the lamb of his poor brother?
b. Can you suggest plausible reasons how the rich man may be justified for taking the lamb of the poor man?

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Even the Biblical Jesus says only the almighty God is good.

Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

So because David was bestowed with Wisdom it means he has all wisdom and is infallible?

You fail to understand as you switch your intellect off to see the lesson being thought on how to do justice where there is a dispute more so on an issue you have no fore knowledge of.

Are you akin to who Fela refers to as Zombie or Mr Follow follow?

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

You are in a fantasy or ai world that imagines an immediate delivery or some mystical ability to know the unseen?

When there is a dispute between two people and your input for justice is sought by them together would you have them jointly present their case or listen to one and then the other?
Please be real and sincere!

TenQ:

The Quran is a comedy of errors of disjointed stories of the ancients
How did the story of the Dhu al-Qarnayn enter the Quran (Quran 18:83–101)?
How did the legend of the Seven Sleepers enter the Quran(Quran 18:10–16)?
How did the children bedtime story of Solomons flying carpet and stick and magic ring enter the quran?
Women having reproductive fluid is a guidance?
The list is endless my dear!


How is the verses a guide to turn in repentance?
What was the error of David in Judging the case (You haven't told me how the poor man was the guilty one of the two)?



The term Pharaoh is adopted as an epithet of respect for of the Kings of Egypt and not the name of a particular king.
The term "Pharaoh" originally referred to the palace or the royal residence in ancient Egypt, but over time it became used as a title for the ruler of Egypt.

No one knows for sure the exact name of the king of Egypt at that time, however the following kings are postulated to be the Pharaoh Sesostris II (1894-1878 BCE) or Pharaoh Yakbim Sekhaenre (1805-1780 BC)
Moses wrote the Torah and thus used the terms familiar to the readers the terms Pharaoh in describing ALL kings of Egypt.


What do you have to say to this
Quran 12:20
And they sold him for a reduced price - a few dirhams - and they were, concerning him, of those content with little.
You may wish to show how Dirhams were spent in Egypt as money during the time of Joseph
Note: This is Allah himself speaking and not Mohammed.


I have explained this as a generic term of respect and address of the kings of Egypt was adopted by Moses who lived in the Palace of his Pharaoh.

But the Quran makes SEVERAL obvious historical errors
1. Show any historical evidence that Ezra is the son of God according to the Jews?
2. Did Jesus Die on the Cross according to history?
3. Where on the earth is the Massive wall of iron in Quran 18:96-97
4. Where is the barrier holding the Gog and Magog in archaeology in Quran 21:96
5. Show that crucifixions happened at the time of Moses (approximately 1500 BCE) as well as Joseph (approximately 2000 BCE) Quran 21:71 and Quran 12:41
6. Show how the Samaritans existed at the time of Moses Quran 20:85 and Quran 20:95
7. How come Allah was supposed to preserve the body of ONE pharaoh but we find several mummified Pharaohs preserved in their tombs Quran 10:92
8. As of the time of Moses, not one single children of Israel was king Quran 5:20
9. John (Yahaya) was a common name in the time of Jesus. Even some of Jesus disciples were named John contrary to Quran 19:7
10. Show a single non islamic source that says Abraham and Ismael built the Kaaba Quran 2:125-127

I challenge you to prove me wrong on any one above of your choice.

You will agree with me that this level of errors is not befitting the Creator of the Universe.

You forgot to ask him how Mariam the sister of Aaron suddenly became the mother of Jesus.

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Alas you feign blindness at things evidently clear:

"[David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." [b]And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] [/b]and turned in repentance [to Allah]."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 24)


And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrab (a praying place or a private room). When they entered in upon David, he was terrified of them, they said: Fear not! (We are) two litigants, one of whom has wronged the other; therefore judge between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, and guide us to the Right Way.

““Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: ‘Hand it over to me,’ and he overpowered me in speech.”David said immediately without listening to the opponent: “He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few.”And David guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.O David! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah.

https://muhammadsufian./2010/12/25/the-story-of-prophet-dawud-two-litigants-the-authentic-version/


"Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: 'Hand it over to me,' and he overpowered me in speech."

Dawud said immediately without listening to the opponent: "He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few."

And Dawud guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.

O Dawud! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allah shall have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning. (38:21-26 Quran).

https://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-of-islam/1711-prophet-dawud-david.html

You believe in partial or impartial justice? Perhaps you can give fair justice without holistic consideration of issues.

Please you have an attribute you pretend to be incapable of using. Or do you draw faith in attributing detestable things to prophets of God as a means to encourage improper behaviour in faulty hope that you will be forgiven? Why will you deliberately do wrong in belief that you will be forgiven. Where lies your sincerity?

How did u know that the 2 litigants were angels. Did the Koran mentioned or hadith mentioned them as angels.
The Koran said the two men scaled the fence. I dont think angels should be jumping over the fence to see someone. If they have the power to disappear, then they should have the power to appear not jump the fence as written in Koran.

True to type. You rather try to cause confusion rather than addressing one issue at a time.

Is Mariam from the Tribe of Judah? How are the tribe of Judah related to Aaron?

Must it be that Mary the mother of Jesus is literally the sister of Aaron? Why cannot this be in reference to her status as pious person?

How many people bore the name Jesus when the Nazarene Jesus was alive?

O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.

Surah Maryam 19:28

The Christians at the time of the Prophet objected to this verse on the grounds that it was meant literally, but the Prophet answered their question.

Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

I try not to refer to hadith as much as possible as these do not always have the best chain of naration and agreement in truth with the Quran or reality of affairs.

CrystalBliss:


You forgot to ask him how Mariam the sister of Aaron suddenly became the mother of Jesus.

SIRTee15:

How did u know that the 2 litigants were angels. Did the Koran mentioned or hadith mentioned them as angels.
The Koran said the two men scaled the fence. I dont think angels should be jumping over the fence to see someone. If they have the power to disappear, then they should have the power to appear not jump the fence as written in Koran.

When you limit your definition of a fence you fail to understand. David had an inner chamber he withdrew to for deep worship. Here he was isolated from external disturbance while worshipping God.

Has there come to you the story of the litigants when they made an entry into the private chamber (of David) by climbing over the walls? They entered on David, and he was frightened of them” (Qur’an, 38:21).

Wall/Fence/Barrier?

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True to type. You rather try to cause confusion rather than addressing one issue at a time.

Is Mariam from the Tribe of Judah? How are the tribe of Judah related to Aaron?

Must it be that Mary the mother of Jesus is literally the sister of Aaron? Why cannot this be in reference to her status as pious person?

How many people bore the name Jesus when the Nazarene Jesus was alive?

O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.

Surah Maryam 19:28

The Christians at the time of the Prophet objected to this verse on the grounds that it was meant literally, but the Prophet answered their question.

Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

I try not to refer to hadith as much as possible as these do not always have the best chain of naration and agreement in truth with the Quran or reality of affairs.

My friend go and sit down. Do you think you're addressing some imbeciles? Or what type of talk is this?

Mariam the sister of Aaron could not even be regarded as a pious person in her days. She was part of a rebellion against Moses and God punished her with leprosy as a lesson of her life. So, what are you talking?

The Quran clearly mistook Maryam the sister of Aaron for Mary the mother Jesus! There's no lie you can tell to defend that. Can you see how low Mohammed himself descended to defend this with an illogical lie?

@CrystalBliss

Did the Quran refer to Miriam the Sister of Aaron or your old testament/Judaic books?

What did they really say of her?

Miriam's quick wit as a young girl helped change the course of Israel's history by protecting its greatest spiritual leader; Moses, even if she later became envious.
Miriam served as a prophet of God, speaking his word as he instructed. She also was a unifying force among the cantankerous Hebrew people.
Miriam was first of many musical women in the Bible. Did she lead other Israelite women to sing: Sing to the Lord, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea." (Exodus 15:21).

This Miriam is not Miriam who bore Jesus. Know this and choose to have or not have peace.

Have a fulfilled life!

P.S How's your cashtrains bizness?
Wonder why you reserve this against religious people? Does it conflict with religious beliefs?


















While these two Miriams are separated by hundreds of years in biblical history, they share commonalities that are worth noting. Both women showed great faith and strength in the face of adversity, and both were chosen by God for special roles in the history of His people. Miriam the prophetess and Miriam the mother of Jesus are both seen as powerful and inspiring figures for believers, offering lessons in faith, perseverance, and devotion to God.

MightySparrow:



Does your Quran teach y to talk against Jesus?

Did the Biblical Jesus teaches you to abuse others who are not of your religion?

Qasim6:

Qur'an is not a story book, it is a book of guidance to humankind. You can't read it like you read your holey forgery Bible

What Allah want us to take away from those verses is that we should be quick to turn in repentance whenever we found out we have erred.
As soon as David made judgement between the two he realized the whole case it's a trial from God and God is trying to pass him a message regarding what he has done previously. He turn in repentance and he was forgiven.

Now let me ask you a question, why did the Bible refer to Egypt ruler during the time of Joseph as pharaoh?
Qur'an that you are claiming copied from the Bible and have error of comprehension of Bible passages does not make such mistake.
Historically, it is now a known fact that Egypt rulers in the days of Joseph are not known as pharaoh.

Leave the ignorant ninny alone..Na daft he daft in Christianity!

MightySparrow:




You and I be know that Mohammed was a comedian.

And Jesus was what?

John 2:14-16
When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!

vex finish!

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@CrystalBliss

Did the Quran refer to Miriam the Sister of Aaron or your old testament/Judaic books?

What did they really say of her?

Miriam's quick wit as a young girl helped change the course of Israel's history by protecting its greatest spiritual leader; Moses, even if she later became envious.
Miriam served as a prophet of God, speaking his word as he instructed. She also was a unifying force among the cantankerous Hebrew people.
Miriam was first of many musical women in the Bible. Did she lead other Israelite women to sing: Sing to the Lord, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea." (Exodus 15:21).

This Miriam is not Miriam who bore Jesus. Know this and choose to have or not have peace.

Have a fulfilled life!

P.S How's your cashtrains bizness?
Wonder why you reserve this against religious people? Does it conflict with religious beliefs?


















While these two Miriams are separated by hundreds of years in biblical history, they share commonalities that are worth noting. Both women showed great faith and strength in the face of adversity, and both were chosen by God for special roles in the history of His people. Miriam the prophetess and Miriam the mother of Jesus are both seen as powerful and inspiring figures for believers, offering lessons in faith, perseverance, and devotion to God.

How does the 2021 business concern you in 2023? Face the matter in focus or are you afraid?

There's nothing in the statement of the Quran regarding Mary and Mariam that depicts fits into the lies you're telling. Please tell another lie. The Quran explicitly calls Mary the mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron. Mary was from Judah. Maryam was from Levi. There are more pious women in Israel's history. Enjoy the deception while it lasts.

CrystalBliss:


How does the 2021 business concern you in 2023? Face the matter in focus or are you afraid?

There's nothing in the statement of the Quran regarding Mary and Mariam that depicts fits into the lies you're telling. Please tell another lie. The Quran explicitly calls Mary the mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron. Mary was from Judah. Maryam was from Levi. There are more pious women in Israel's history. Enjoy the deception while it lasts.

There's nothing in the statement of the Quran regarding Mary and Mariam that depicts fits into the lies you're telling. Please tell another lie. The Quran explicitly calls Mary the mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron. Mary was from Judah. Maryam was from Levi. There are more pious women in Israel's history. Enjoy the deception while it lasts.The same way you talk outside the subject of the post.

Majority of what I posted are from the Bible assuming you claim to believe it or which book has Exodus?

Of course you reason from your ass and do not know the tribes of Israel are all related.

Do yourself a favour and do other useful things.

Anyway the business I asked of directly concerns you and not what you derive from someone else or read. It's a check on your sincerity.

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When you limit your definition of a fence you fail to understand. David had an inner chamber he withdrew to for deep worship. Here he was isolated from external disturbance while worshipping God.

Has there come to you the story of the litigants when they made an entry into the private chamber (of David) by climbing over the walls? They entered on David, and he was frightened of them” (Qur’an, 38:21).

Wall/Fence/Barrier?

Show me evidence in the Koran those two men had supernatural powers, just one.
According to your Koran did they climb over the fence or not? How can angels be climbing walls like thieves.
So are u saying inner chambers don't have walls, is that what u saying? I think u need to research more on ancient structural design.

Your argument is funny, it's not ok for David to be covetous because he's a prophet, but it's ok for angels to jump walls like common thieves because they wanted to talk to someone.

Thankfully, your Koran got it right this time. The men were not called angels or ascribed any supernatural powers.

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Even the Biblical Jesus says only the almighty God is good.

Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

So because David was bestowed with Wisdom it means he has all wisdom and is infallible?

You fail to understand as you switch your intellect off to see the lesson being thought on how to do justice where there is a dispute more so on an issue you have no fore knowledge of.

Are you akin to who Fela refers to as Zombie or Mr Follow follow?

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

You are in a fantasy or ai world that imagines an immediate delivery or some mystical ability to know the unseen?

When there is a dispute between two people and your input for justice is sought by them together would you have them jointly present their case or listen to one and then the other?
Please be real and sincere!

Why dodge answering my questions as it was neatly and carefully laid out for you to respond to one by one.

You have just shown David in spite of the special wisdom given to him to be intellectually below average. Could it be that Allah failed in his mission of giving him wisdom? The case is simple to judge sir.

My questions again so that you wouldn't claim ignorance.



Hello my brother!
How you seem to swallow illogicalities still amaze me. I will proove that to you with just some simple questions.

To you, the Tafsir of Al-Tabari is wrong and you know Islam better than him.

1. Qur'an 38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment

But you are saying that David did not have wisdom and sagasity in judgment because he decided based on hearing only the poor man speak.

Is the claim of Allah wrong in verse 20?

2. Qur'an 38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - (the story of the two) who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary (in which David prayed)

a. Tell me how it is logical for a poor man who want to seek redress from the king force or coherse or pasuaded the rich man to scale the walls of the palace of the king with him.

b. Tell me how the security details of King David didn't apprehend them. Was it a miracle or the two men decided to be extremely quiet!?

3. Qur'an 38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not!( We are but) two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show (both of) us the way to rectitude

Note that this wasn't a monologue as you want us to believe: both men spoke to the king. Is that untrue?

4. Quran 38:24 Said (David) : “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another (all) save those who believe (in God) and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And (suddenly) David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance

a. Was David in error with his judgment?
If he was in error, how then is the rich man justified for taking the lamb of his poor brother?
b. Can you suggest plausible reasons how the rich man may be justified for taking the lamb of the poor man?

CrystalBliss:


You forgot to ask him how Mariam the sister of Aaron suddenly became the mother of Jesus.

Thank you o!

I actually only wanted to give him examples that are purely historical in nature and outside the claim of the Bible.

There are countless number of goofs from the ignorant author of the Qur'an one can post to them

Shalom

SIRTee15:

How did u know that the 2 litigants were angels. Did the Koran mentioned or hadith mentioned them as angels.
The Koran said the two men scaled the fence. I dont think angels should be jumping over the fence to see someone. If they have the power to disappear, then they should have the power to appear not jump the fence as written in Koran.

This is what happens when lies are invented to prop up other lies of islam: as if the new lies would erase the old.

Stay blessed bro

Explore2xmore:
True to type. You rather try to cause confusion rather than addressing one issue at a time.

Is Mariam from the Tribe of Judah? How are the tribe of Judah related to Aaron?

Must it be that Mary the mother of Jesus is literally the sister of Aaron? Why cannot this be in reference to her status as pious person?

How many people bore the name Jesus when the Nazarene Jesus was alive?

O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.

Surah Maryam 19:28

The Christians at the time of the Prophet objected to this verse on the grounds that it was meant literally, but the Prophet answered their question.

Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

I try not to refer to hadith as much as possible as these do not always have the best chain of naration and agreement in truth with the Quran or reality of affairs.

Mary is from the Tribe of Judah, Mariam is from the Tribe of Levi.
It is you Muslims manufacturing conjectures to protect your prophet. Can you see how everyone is having different opinions?

Explore2xmore:


When you limit your definition of a fence you fail to understand. David had an inner chamber he withdrew to for deep worship. Here he was isolated from external disturbance while worshipping God.

Has there come to you the story of the litigants when they made an entry into the private chamber (of David) by climbing over the walls? They entered on David, and he was frightened of them” (Qur’an, 38:21).

Wall/Fence/Barrier?

The poor man convinced the rich man to climb the walls quietly with him so that he can report the rich nan to King David!?

Just look at how the illogicality sounds!

How did this happen?

TenQ:

This is what happens when lies are invented to prop up other lies of islam: as if the new lies would erase the old.

Stay blessed bro

Thanks bro.
I just read your number one question. I don laff taya.
Imagine a poor man convincing a rich man that they should both jump fence to get the king's audience.
Koran no go kill person

AntiChristian:


Leave the ignorant ninny alone..Na daft he daft in Christianity!

So you are checking up this thread?

Questions have been asked and you are not helping your Muslim brothers to respond clearly with proves!?

You fall my hands!


Maybe you can help me

It seems that the poor man convinced the rich man to climb the walls quietly with him so that he can report the rich nan to King David!? None of the security agents heard them o!

Just look at how the illogicality sounds!

SIRTee15:


Thanks bro.
I just read your number one question. I don laff taya.
Imagine a poor man convincing a rich man that they should both jump fence to get the king's audience.
Koran no go kill person

It must be an Islamic miracle: Allahu Akbar!
I am still trying to wrap my head round what happened islamically!

They will continue manufacturing more lies to cover up earlier lies as part of their religion.

Explore2xmore:


There's nothing in the statement of the Quran regarding Mary and Mariam that depicts fits into the lies you're telling. Please tell another lie. The Quran explicitly calls Mary the mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron. Mary was from Judah. Maryam was from Levi. There are more pious women in Israel's history. Enjoy the deception while it lasts.The same way you talk outside the subject of the post.

Majority of what I posted are from the Bible assuming you claim to believe it or which book has Exodus?

Of course you reason from your ass and do not know the tribes of Israel are all related.

Do yourself a favour and do other useful things.

Anyway the business I asked of directly concerns you and not what you derive from someone else or read. It's a check on your sincerity.

And how does the business you spoke about disprove my sincerity. Did someone report me to you?

You reason from your penis. The tribes of Israel are related and that makes Mariam the sister of Aaron the mother of Jesus? Is something wrong with you?

Mohammed picked those names from the Bible and yet was so confused that he didn't know the difference between the two people because of the similarities in their names! Yeye dey smell.

You see. A check is a question and you are bothered to say if it's going well or not and go on to question if you were reported to me.

Bringing in unasked questions?

Clearly you refuse to see two different Miriams born centuries appart? How many centuries apart are David and Jesus according to your bible? Yet Matthew 1:1 The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Is Jesus literally the immediate Son of David or David an immediate son of Abraham?

CrystalBliss:


And how does the business you spoke about disprove my sincerity. Did someone report me to you?

You reason from your penis. The tribes of Israel are related and that makes Mariam the sister of Aaron the mother of Jesus? Is something wrong with you?

Mohammed picked those names from the Bible and yet was so confused that he didn't know the difference between the two people because of the similarities in their names! Yeye dey smell.

TenQ:

The poor man convinced the rich man to climb the walls quietly with him so that he can report the rich nan to King David!?

Just look at how the illogicality sounds!

How did this happen?

Because you are fixated on a physical fence and do not know how come a chamber is private.

Private to David and restricted from many. Thank you Mr Expert of Philosophy and Logic

Explore2xmore:
You see. A check is a question and you are bothered to say if it's going well or not and go on to question if you were reported to me.

Bringing in unasked questions?

Clearly you refuse to see two different Miriams born centuries appart? How many centuries apart are David and Jesus according to your bible? Yet Matthew 1:1 The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Is Jesus literally the immediate Son of David or David an immediate son of Abraham?

Jesus is the Son of David but He's not David!

The Quran didn't say Mary was the daughter of Mariam, if it did, we won't be bothered. It says Mariam is Mary ! This is the problem.

TenQ:

Mary is from the Tribe of Judah, Mariam is from the Tribe of Levi.
It is you Muslims manufacturing conjectures to protect your prophet. Can you see how everyone is having different opinions?

Do you abrogate a family relation between the 12 tribes of Israel?
Anyway there are notes of exact racism in your Biblical literature so much so your Biblical Jesus made difference between the Jews and Gentiles.
Then in circumspect Paul and Christians want to force a Jesus who restricted himself upon the whole world.

In essence your concerns and errors in slandering the one the Biblical God says is after his own heart.

Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

So God wanted David to commit adultery or fornication with Bathseba then further place her husband or Bethroted to be killed?

Do take your confusing contradictions to your private corners

CrystalBliss:

Jesus is the Son of David but He's not David!

The Quran didn't say Mary was the daughter of Mariam, if it did, we won't be bothered. It says Mariam is Mary ! This is the problem.

What are the differences between Mary and Miriam?

Was there a Miriam sister of Aaron and Moses in the old testament ?

Was there a Mary (Maryam) born to Jochebed and Anne that bore Yeshua or Jesus?

Can names repeat within a culture and people without being the same person?

Explore2xmore:



Do you abrogate a family religion between the 12 tribes of Israel?
Anyway there are notes of exact racism in your Biblical literature so much so your Biblical Jesus made difference between the Jews and Gentiles.
Then in circumspect Paul and Christians want to force a Jesus who restricted himself upon the whole world.

In essence your concerns and errors in slandering the one the Biblical God says is after his own heart.

Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

So God wanted David to commit adultery or fornication with Bathseba then further place her husband or Bethroted to be killed?

Do take your confusing contradictions to your private corners

Talking about racism.
Maybe u should explain to us why muhammed sold two black slaves to purchase the freedom of one Arab slave.
I guess the two blacks slaves told Muhammed they loved their chain.