tctrills:

You showed a few verses but none of them indicated in anyway that revelations ended with the apostles so where did you get that idea.
Now let me point you to another verse.
Acts 2
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

I hope this has changed your mind.

The holy Spirit works according to the plan and order of the father.
According to the plan and order of the father the apostles has being set to be the last to recieve any new revelation about the church.

Steep:


The holy Spirit works according to the plan and order of the father.
According to the plan and order of the father the apostles has being set to be the last to recieve any new revelation about the church.

Any quotes please.
I understand that you have expressed your opinion but if you don't have any passage of scripture express the same views, then it would be clear that you are only spreading a personal opinion.

paxonel:
Exactly!
that who are the canally minded and who are the spiritually minded?
You see, our pastors have failed to distinguish between them and that's the problem.
I'm not saying they are not trying, I'm only say that let their education be more accurate and precise. This will help curb the many confusions in Christianity.
You have agreed that we are saved to inherit the promises of Christ, not just only eternal life.
So, you see that the promises of Christ are equally important as eternal life. Because, of what essence is life when you don't enjoy the things thereof or do we live to agony?
God forbid!
We live to replenish this world.
As we go about the task professionally, we also enjoy the fruit of our labour.
due to variation, sure!

But that not withstanding, the message of the gospel is one, so variation isn't an excuse not to be accurate with it.
And it summerizes in this parable of Jesus Christ

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Matthew 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Matthew13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mathhew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

So, what do you take of this parable?
Because, i know that after carefully applying what Jesus meant, i now know that what our pastors are doing especially in Africa, are simply child's play, shared ignorance and exploitive at the expense of the poor.
So, even when the government is doing the same, the church cannot summon the moral courage fight against the impunity as the light of the world.
In Europe, this problem has been solved largely.
I took time to study how religion is practiced in Europe and some other parts of the world and soon discover that Africans just like suffering for nothing out of ignorance.

It's ok to criticize pastors and maybe you are right but still it doesn't mean that the word of God revealed in our day is any inferior to the word revealed through Paul or Peter.
David committed sins that most of us would never dream of commiting yet does that in anyway dilute the revelations in the book of Psalms?
Trust me, if you were living in the time of Peter and Paul, you probably would have found reason to criticize them.

tctrills:

Does it explain why the bible did not continue after the book of Revelations? Because no one seems to be addressing the question

Everything you need to know bro

I can even recommend more

OgaNightmare:


Everything you need to know bro

I can even recommend more

Maybe you should just quote directly from it. If it answers the question then I would be interested in reading it.
Please quote a few paragraphs to address the question above.

tctrills:

Explain. Where did He say that he has said all he had to say and would definitely not be speaking again.
Please feel free to quote the Bible. I noticed you are not too good at quoting from it. You prefer to express personal opinions.

That is why I said you need common sense.

Dtruthspeaker:


That is why I said you need common sense.

Now you are showing your ignorance. Any idiot can use the common sense argument when he has nothing to offer.
How do we asset who is lacking in common sense? Is it the one who claims the word of God ended with the book of revelations without any proof or the one who is prepare to study and learn and understand?

tctrills:

Any quotes please.
I understand that you have expressed your opinion but if you don't have any passage of scripture express the same views, then it would be clear that you are only spreading a personal opinion.

First and foremost, books are not just added to the scripture, there it must be by the holy Spirit and there must be witness.
The scripture is about the life, death and resurrection of Jesus christ as well as prophecies about his future coming, this consummated at Revelation.
No one can add to what has already being g revealed.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And lastly, the scriptures came from the prophets and 12 apostles ( Paul was latter added, his apostleship Confirmed by peter)

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

In other words the scupture were the the prophets and apostles because they were the foundation their words is binding on the whole church. Every other minister do not have such, their authority and words are limited to the local church and can be set aside by the scripture.

Steep:
First and foremost, books are not just added to the scripture, there it must be by the holy Spirit and there must be witness.
The scripture is about the life, death and resurrection of Jesus christ as well as prophecies about his future coming, this consummated at Revelation.
No one can add to what has already being g revealed.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And lastly, the scriptures came from the prophets and 12 apostles ( Paul was latter added, his apostleship Confirmed by peter)

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

In other words the scupture were the the prophets and apostles because they were the foundation their words is binding on the whole church. Every other minister do not have such, their authority and words are limited to the local church and can be set aside by the scripture.

So no one is asking for books to be added to the bible. But then are you saying that other revelations of God outside the bible are wrong or are you saying that God has only given revelations to the writers of the bible?
Again, was David a prophet, was Ruth a prophet, was Luke an apostle?
Where was it written that only the writings of prophets are the word of God?

tctrills:

So no one is asking for books to be added to the bible. But then are you saying that other revelations of God outside the bible are wrong or are you saying that God has only given revelations to the writers of the bible?
Again, was David a prophet, was Ruth a prophet, was Luke an apostle?
Where was it written that only the writings of prophets are the word of God?

The books
David, and Ruth where acknowledged as scriptures by the prophets and apostles, Luke was an eye witnesses of Jesus and he also accompanied Paul hence his book was acknowledged as scripture.
Read again, I didn't say another revelation is a lie, rather
1. It must agree with the bible (scripture)
2. It is limited (either to a local church or an individual)

No other revelation can ever become part of scripture, the Bible is complete.

The scripture was either written dirctly by the prophets or apostles or confirmed and acknowledged by them.
After the death of the apostles no other person. Hence Paul said they (the apostles were the last).

The two groups of people that christians were commanded to be mindful of are the prophets and the apostles.

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

So the words of the apostles and the prophets are the authority.

Readup on the canonization of scriptures and the history of the church.

tctrills:

Now you are showing your ignorance. Any idiot can use the common sense argument when he has nothing to offer.
How do we asset who is lacking in common sense? Is it the one who claims the word of God ended with the book of revelations without any proof or the one who is prepare to study and learn and understand?

Everyone here is technically telling you that God ended His Message in Revelations and yet you cannot see it. Clearly plenty is wrong with you.

Dtruthspeaker:


Everyone here is technically telling you that God ended His Message in Revelations and yet you cannot see it. Clearly plenty is wrong with you.

Ok because I don't agree with you, something is wrong with me right?
Just because you guess that God stopped talking to man after the book of revelations was written doesn't mean you are right. And just because some other people agree with doesn't make you right. Learn to stand out for yourself.

[quote author=Steep post=126962519] The books
David, and Ruth where acknowledged as scriptures by the prophets and apostles, Luke was an eye witnesses of Jesus and he also accompanied Paul hence his book was acknowledged as scripture.
Read again, I didn't say another revelation is a lie, rather
You see you have softened up on your point. You said only Apostles and Prophets had the right to God's words but now you are making new rules for the sake of your argument.
Again your rule makes no sense for Luke. You claim that just because he was close to Paul, that makes his writing scripture. His writing did not become scripture because of his closeness to Paul. It is scripture because it is the word of God.
Now what excuse would you make for Jude?
Also, can you point to the verse of scripture where the book of Esther was acknowledged as scriptures by the prophets and apostles?
And how about the Songs of Solomon?
1. It must agree with the bible (scripture)
2. It is limited (either to a local church or an individual)
This is you creating your own rules right? It's not like God gave the 2 rules you listed above.

No other revelation can ever become part of scripture, the Bible is complete.
I agree that the bible is complete but by definition, if you write down a revelation God gives you, that's simply holy scriptures. Sir do you really understand the meaning of scripture?

The scripture was either written dirctly by the prophets or apostles or confirmed and acknowledged by them.
After the death of the apostles no other person. Hence Paul said they (the apostles were the last).

The two groups of people that christians were commanded to be mindful of are the prophets and the apostles.
Paul never said the apostles were the last to write scripture. He actually described the apostles and prophets as the foundation. The foundation is the first part of any building not the last.

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

So the words of the apostles and the prophets are the authority.

Readup on the canonization of scriptures and the history of the church.
Peter was correct but unlike you, Peter never said that God's words would end with the book of revelations

tctrills:

Ok because I don't agree with you, something is wrong with me right?
Just because you guess that God stopped talking to man after the book of revelations was written doesn't mean you are right. And just because some other people agree with doesn't make you right. Learn to stand out for yourself.

No. It is because I will not force you to see what you say you can't see even though every normal person has seen the same thing that I have said is there to see.

And I cannot help you with that. That is all I am saying.

author=tctrills post=126964491]

No you can't add to the scriptures, the mystery of christ has already being revealed.
Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Note the mysteries of christ was revealed to his apostles and prophets.

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Note, Paul said The mystery of his will has being made known.
God's revelation for his church has already being revealed so scripture is closed.

tctrills:

It's ok to criticize pastors and maybe you are right but still it doesn't mean that the word of God revealed in our day is any inferior to the word revealed through Paul or Peter.
David committed sins that most of us would never dream of commiting yet does that in anyway dilute the revelations in the book of Psalms?
Trust me, if you were living in the time of Peter and Paul, you probably would have found reason to criticize them.

ofcourse!
Constructive criticism is usually a welcomed development.
It brings a better way of doing things only if those in charge are humble enough to take the correction that comes with the criticism whether it was Paul era or now.

Now , if you look at the parable of Jesus i pointed out, the field in the parable represent the world. You will notice that the field which is the world wasn't destroyed. Hence, this world is the Lord's and it fulness thereof.

The point is, every revelation,be it science based or of religion, are geared towards making this world a better place therefore they are equally important.

But it seems our pastors thinks that religious revelations are more superior, which is not so.

Steep:
No you can't add to the scriptures, the mystery of christ has already being revealed.
Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Note the mysteries of christ was revealed to his apostles and prophets.

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Note, Paul said The mystery of his will has being made known.
God's revelation for his church has already being revealed so scripture is closed.

Oga if the mysteries has all been revealed to Paul then there wouldn't have been a need for John to write the book of Revelations. Clearly you misunderstood the scriptures there.

Dtruthspeaker:


No. It is because I will not force you to see what you say you can't see even though every normal person has seen the same thing that I have said is there to see.

And I cannot help you with that. That is all I am saying.

Lool, oga please show the verse in revelations. If indeed you are normal please show the verse that says the book of revelations is the end of God's words.

paxonel:
ofcourse!
Constructive criticism is usually a welcomed development.
It brings a better way of doing things only if those in charge are humble enough to take the correction that comes with the criticism whether it was Paul era or now.

Now , if you look at the parable of Jesus i pointed out, the field in the parable represent the world. You will notice that the field which is the world wasn't destroyed. Hence, this world is the Lord's and it fulness thereof.

The point is, every revelation,be it science based or of religion, are geared towards making this world a better place therefore they are equally important.

But it seems our pastors thinks that religious revelations are more superior, which is not so.

Oga science and the gospel of Jesus Christ are not of equal importance.
Now what would happen to me if I have no understanding of science but I believe in Jesus Christ? Answer; I would be saved in the kingdom of God.
What would happen if I knew all the science but reject the gospel of Christ. Answer; my soul would be lost. Clearly they do not come close in importance.

tctrills:

Oga if the mysteries has all been revealed to Paul then there wouldn't have been a need for John to write the book of Revelations. Clearly you misunderstood the scriptures there.

John's revelation was concerning th things that was going to happen in the future.
While the mystery that Paul is talking about is about the salvation through Jesus christ.
You cannot add to either one.

tctrills:

Lool, oga please show the verse in revelations. If indeed you are normal please show the verse that says the book of revelations is the end of God's words.

It is sufficient that from the beginning people have been telling you like I have been saying that "Revelations is the end" and you are the only one not normal enough to see it.

Steep:
not only Paul but to all the apostles including John.
He also said that mystery was as at the time revealed to the apostles and prophets.


Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Note God's revelation for the church was through the prophets and apostles.

And again scripture said we should be mindful of the words of the apostles and prophets.

By the way paul there is only one gospel, which was preached by the apostles.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

You see that Paul, the only Jesus which should be recieved by the church is the one the apostles preach, meaning you cannot add to their teaching.

Oga this verse never said God has revealed all his words or mysteries.
Let me tell you sir neither Paul or John knows all the mysteries of God.
Ecclesiastes 8:16-17
16 I tried to understand all that happens on earth. I saw how busy people are, working day and night and hardly ever sleeping. 17 I also saw all that God has done. Nobody can understand what God does here on earth. No matter how hard people try to understand it, they cannot. Even if wise people say they understand, they cannot; no one can really understand it.
There is so much about God that the apostles did not know. And so much man is yet to know.

tctrills:

Oga this verse never said God has revealed all his words or mysteries.
Let me tell you sir neither Paul or John knows all the mysteries of God.
Ecclesiastes 8:16-17
16 I tried to understand all that happens on earth. I saw how busy people are, working day and night and hardly ever sleeping. 17 I also saw all that God has done. Nobody can understand what God does here on earth. No matter how hard people try to understand it, they cannot. Even if wise people say they understand, they cannot; no one can really understand it.
There is so much about God that the apostles did not know. And so much man is yet to know.

what you wrote up there is totally unrelated.
The scripture is not man trying to find the secret of God but God revealing his Son Jesus christ.

John's revelation was concerning the things that was going to happen in the future.
While the mystery that Paul is talking about is about the salvation through Jesus christ.
You can't add to either.

Dtruthspeaker:


It is sufficient that from the beginning people have been telling you like I have been saying that "Revelations is the end" and you are the only one not normal enough to see it.

Oga you claim to be an adult right. So you point is that because you and some other people believe that God's words stop at revelations everyone should agree with you right?
And those that don't agree with you are not normal? What's the difference between you and a jihadist who wants to force their opinion on everyone.
I have given you an opportunity to quote from the bible, you can't but somehow you think you are normal.
Well, they say that most mad men think they are normal and everyone else is mad.

Steep:
John's revelation was concerning th things that was going to happen in the future.
While the mystery that Paul is talking about is about the salvation through Jesus christ.
You cannot add to either one.

Now you are all over the place and still you are yet to point to any verse that says God has revealed everything to mankind. Or that God would never speak again to mankind or that the apostles had all knowledge. Both John and Paul taught about salvation.
Please listen to the words of Paul below

Corinthians 13:9-12
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Paul never claimed to know it all. You are clearly wrong.
If God has finished all his revelations than why would he send 2 witnesses in the last days
Revelations 11.3
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Do you not see that your argument is faulty?

tctrills:

Oga you claim to be an adult right. So you point is that because you and some other people believe that God's words stop at revelations everyone should agree with you right?
And those that don't agree with you are not normal? ....

My point is, clearly you are the only one who does not see what everyone sees and has seen, making everyone to wonder if you are normal since you are not able to see what others clearly see.

Dtruthspeaker:


My point is, clearly you are the only one who does not see what everyone sees and has seen, making everyone to wonder if you are normal since you are not able to see what others clearly see.

What if it's you and your friends that are blind? Someone not seeing things your way does not make him abnormal but people like you don't know these things.

tctrills:

Now you are all over the place and still you are yet to point to any verse that says God has revealed everything to mankind. Or that God would never speak again to mankind or that the apostles had all knowledge. Both John and Paul taught about salvation.
Please listen to the words of Paul below

Corinthians 13:9-12
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Paul never claimed to know it all. You are clearly wrong.
If God has finished all his revelations than why would he send 2 witnesses in the last days
Revelations 11.3
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Do you not see that your argument is faulty?

You are muddling up scriptures.
In 1 cor 13 Paul was talking of spiritual gifts and its exercise not scipriture.

tctrills:

What if it's you and your friends that are blind? Someone not seeing things your way does not make him abnormal but people like you don't know these things.

Till proven otherwise, if the whole land sees a thing which you claim not to see, then you stand and remain the blind one. And you are the only one not seeing what everyone here has seen therefore, you are the blind and abnormal one.

Dtruthspeaker:


Till proven otherwise, if the whole land sees a thing which you claim not to see, then you stand and remain the blind one. And you are the only one not seeing what everyone here has seen therefore, you are the blind and abnormal one.

You are obviously among those who aimlessly follows the crowd. Learn to be a man and stand on your 2 feet. Here are the words of Jesus Christ,
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Oga you are on the road to destruction.

Steep:
You are muddling up scriptures.
In 1 cor 13 Paul was talking of spiritual gifts and its exercise not scipriture.

Oga you obviously did not read it. Here is the very first line,
For we know in part and we prophesy in part...
Even the apostles of Christ only knew part and prophesied in part. So there again, you are wrong.