Baddestguyp:
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It's so easy to tell nowadays the movies that are not worth our time and money...

Everyone already knew The Marvels wouldn't be worth spending so much to watch...

Same as everyone already knows Madame Spider won't be worth it...


People would rather spend on a movie they are sure is worth the quality...


But for Superhero content, I feel the best way is for it to deviate from the norm. People are tired of the same formulaic and predicatable superhero content...

That's why people still love The Boys and Invincible, as they deviate from the norm...


Imo, Marvel should abandon these nonsense they're doing with Kang and focus on the X-Men...

But even with the X-Men they have to get things right...I feel like with X-Men there is more room to manuever in it's story...and even go dark...

Unlike the happy go lucky comedic superhero movies they've been churning out

The X-Men despite being superheroes don't really feel like them...

They should make it bloody and not family friendly at all. It's should have gore and blood like the boys then they'll make money from it. Repeating the dame formula with no change would produce the same result. Failure at the BO

I'm so tirednof the movies these days. I used to be a movie freak but now I'm just meh.

I find myself going back to the oldies.


Watched the negotiator,shooter and dawn of the planet of the apes. recently.

I'm going to watch war for the planet of the apes tonight.

Haven't started scot pilgrim yet probably during the week.

armadeo:



They should make it bloody and not family friendly at all. It's should have gore and blood like the boys then they'll make money from it. Repeating the dame formula with no change would produce the same result. Failure at the BO

it doesn't need gore like The Boys...

I like The Boys but I don't like the way it uses gore. The gore is just used as fanservice and to be edgy.

Invincible applies gore in a better way. E.g the scene with Mark and Nolan, some scenes where Mark is trying to save civilians from an alien attack and fails...

The gore is used to send a message, to develop characters, to show Mark how he can't save everyone etc...

The Gore in The Boys is mostly used as fanservice just to show that the show is fûcked up...
How many times do we need to see pènises explode?



X-Men should not be PG-13 but it doesn't need to glorify gore. The old X-Men trilogy did not need to glorify gore to be mature.

armadeo:
I'm so tirednof the movies these days. I used to be a movie freak but now I'm just meh.

I find myself going back to the oldies.


Watched the negotiator,shooter and dawn of the planet of the apes. recently.

I'm going to watch war for the planet of the apes tonight.

Haven't started scot pilgrim yet probably during the week.

There are very few good movies these days...

That's why I'm mostly into animation these days...

Finding a good movie is super hard. Finding a good movie that fits my taste is even 10x harder.


I'm just waiting to find a Korean movie/series that will fit my taste...

Hollywood isn't doing it for me anymore...

Just a few Hollywood movies that are worth watching

The worst second weekend drop for the whole genre

Christ in heaven, that is so horrible

The superhero genre is at an all time low right now

This is what happens when moviegoers completely rejects a movie.

The same happened to Flash.

BlackManta:
The worst second weekend drop for the whole genre

Christ in heaven, that is so horrible

The superhero genre is at an all time low right now

This is what happens when moviegoers completely rejects a movie.

The same happened to Flash.

I've said it before but some people will keep denying it

SUPERHERO FATIGUE EXISTS!!!

The recent bombs are a combination of Bad movies + Superhero Fatigue

You can't keep recycling the same plotlines and expect people not to get fed up...


Marvel needs to do a few things imo:

1. Reduce the amount of Superhero content they release
2. Increase creativity and stop following the same formula
3. Avoid anything that has to do with the word "MULTIVERSE" - this word is a timebomb that kills audience interest
4. Focus on character driven stories rather than the whole saving the world or universe crap - be more grounded and relatable

BlackManta:
The worst second weekend drop for the whole genre

Christ in heaven, that is so horrible

The superhero genre is at an all time low right now

This is what happens when moviegoers completely rejects a movie.

The same happened to Flash.

Displacing Morbius is no small feet. This movie keeps breaking smelly unwanted records it's ironic as fvvk.

I mean who the fvvk releases such amount of content in such a short space and people won't get tired when it's all "formulaic" and painfully "similar" and glorious fan service. 2022 alone we had like 9 MCU projects!!

Many of us have complained of the MCU formulaic approach for some years now but some peeps love to say "who has the box office now?"
They should just be thanking their stars for WB postponing DUNE PART TWO.... If not, it would be worse and there'd be no premium IMAX screens to even help.

I love this shït. 😂😂

Baddestguyp:
I've said it before but some people will keep denying it

SUPERHERO FATIGUE EXISTS!!!

The recent bombs are a combination of Bad movies + Superhero Fatigue

You can't keep recycling the same plotlines and expect people not to get fed up...

This theory is still up for debate. 🌚🌚

It's more of bad movie fatigue and the economy. Nk one has time and resources to waste on a potentially bad or mediocre film right now. Coupled with most things Oyaskii has said already with the COVID era bringing expectations to viewers of seeing films earlier on VOD.


I'm yet to see a really good CBM movie flop spectacularly at the box office presently. 5 months ago we had GOTG 3 doing over $800mn.
The Batman over $770 over a year ago and other strings of MCU films doing pretty good in 2022.
Loki is being praised presently and amongst the top charting shows.

These are bottom barrel character movies flOPPing not established or popular characters. And then there's the rise of other genre's evident in BARBIE, OPPENHEIMER and MARIO.

If Aquaman 2 somehow makes around $550mn and above if it's good, then I believe superhero fatigue is just hogwash and more of films audiences rejected. Every genre has its ups and downs period.
This is for the CBM genre.

abduleez1:


This theory is still up for debate. 🌚🌚

It's more of bad movie fatigue and the economy. Nk one has time and resources to waste on a potentially bad or mediocre film right now. Coupled with most things Oyaskii has said already with the COVID era bringing expectations to viewers of seeing films earlier on VOD.


I'm yet to see a really good CBM movie flop spectacularly at the box office presently. 5 months ago we had GOTG 3 doing over $800mn.
The Batman over $770 over a year ago and other strings of MCU films doing pretty good in 2022.
Loki is being praised presently and amongst the top charting shows.

These are bottom barrel character movies flOPPing not established or popular characters. And then there's the rise of other genre's evident in BARBIE, OPPENHEIMER and MARIO.

If Aquaman 2 somehow makes around $550mn and above if it's good, then I believe superhero fatigue is just hogwash and more of films audiences rejected. Every genre has its ups and downs period.
This is for the CBM genre.

Bro...the fact is that Superhero Fatigue exists...

You want proof? I myself am proof of it already...
And I know many people that are the same. They are burnt out by these movies cos they follow the same structure.

A great way of fixing this is by subverting from the norm.
A lot of Superhero movies troupes and structure are already tiring to the audience.

The Batman works because it's more grounded...it didn't follow the usual format we see these movies follow.

Same as why a Joker 2 movie will perform well. Because it is a Superhero movie that doesn't feel like one...as it doesn't follow the same overused structure and troupes...

Guardians 3 and Spiderverse are movies with characters that the audience already resonate with before the Superhero Fatigue became a thing...and as such, the audience would follow the characters to their conclusion.





Also, what I can assure you is that one guaranteed way of killing CBM is to focus on the MULTIVERSE.

You should have seen comments when the news broke that Invincible S2 would explore the MULTIVERSE. Even on the subreddit they discussed how Marvel and DC had completely killed the concept so much that the regular audience hate that word.

Luckily so far Invincible is handling it in a way that isn't exhausting.

Regular Audience don't want to hear the word "Multiverse"

phr0nesis:
Best picture contender in the mud

That RT is so stinking and dangerously close to been rotten...TF. Most likely due to Ridley Scott sparing with critics on a perceived historical in accuracies with the movie 😂😂

abduleez1 bin tell me say "Oscar best picture material" full December 👀👀😂

Baddestguyp:
I've said it before but some people will keep denying it

SUPERHERO FATIGUE EXISTS!!!

The recent bombs are a combination of Bad movies + Superhero Fatigue

You can't keep recycling the same plotlines and expect people not to get fed up...


Marvel needs to do a few things imo:

1. Reduce the amount of Superhero content they release
2. Increase creativity and stop following the same formula
3. Avoid anything that has to do with the word "MULTIVERSE" - this word is a timebomb that kills audience interest
4. Focus on character driven stories rather than the whole saving the world or universe crap - be more grounded and relatable

5. Hard reboot the MCU and start over with the X-Men.

The X-Men stories reflects the real world so much, it can be character driven and grounded. With the X-Men we get to see themes of discrimination, racism and politics with real world consequences and characters with flaws and moral struggles.
It would show the grey areas of what it means to be a "superhero" in a modern "realistic" world.

A deep and grounded take on the superhero genre.

Something serious and entirely different from what we've been getting all these years.

I doubt the MCU will do something like this tho.

BlackManta:


5. Hard reboot the MCU and start over with the X-Men.

The X-Men stories reflects the real world so much, it can be character driven and grounded. With the X-Men we get to see themes of discrimination, racism and politics with real world consequences and characters with flaws and moral struggles.
It would show the grey areas of what it means to be a "superhero" in a modern "realistic" world.

A deep and grounded take on the superhero genre.

Something serious and entirely different from what we've been getting all these years.

I doubt the MCU will do something like this tho.

I'm talking about a reboot while these guys are busy planning to make Thor 5

One day a reboot will become absolutely necessary whether they like it or not.

Baddestguyp:
I've said it before but some people will keep denying it

SUPERHERO FATIGUE EXISTS!!!

The recent bombs are a combination of Bad movies + Superhero Fatigue

You can't keep recycling the same plotlines and expect people not to get fed up...


Marvel needs to do a few things imo:

1. Reduce the amount of Superhero content they release
2. Increase creativity and stop following the same formula
3. Avoid anything that has to do with the word "MULTIVERSE" - this word is a timebomb that kills audience interest
4. Focus on character driven stories rather than the whole saving the world or universe crap - be more grounded and relatable

The number one point is funny.

The MCU is not interested in cutting down on content.

After Deadpool 3 next year, they intend to release 4 movies in 2025 alone.

BlackManta:


5. Hard reboot the MCU and start over with the X-Men.

The X-Men stories reflects the real world so much, it can be character driven and grounded. With the X-Men we get to see themes of discrimination, racism and politics with real world consequences and characters with flaws and moral struggles.
It would show the grey areas of what it means to be a "superhero" in a modern "realistic" world.

A deep and grounded take on the superhero genre.

Something serious and entirely different from what we've been getting all these years.

I doubt the MCU will do something like this tho.

the MCU will most likely follow the same generic script they've been using for years.

With the X-Men being part of the MCU, they'll make it PG-13 and won't handle serious issues, just like the other MCU movies

BlackManta:


The number one point is funny.

The MCU is not interested in cutting down on content.

After Deadpool 3 next year, they intend to release 4 movies in 2025 alone.

that Captain America looks like it will flop so bad...

Just a guess

oyaskii:
That RT is so stinking and dangerously close to been rotten...TF. Most likely due to Ridley Scott sparing with critics on a perceived historical in accuracies with the movie 😂😂

abduleez1 bin tell me say "Oscar best picture material" full December 👀👀😂

That RT score is a far cry of what was predicted.
At this point, if Saltburn or Poor Things no make best picture list, Na Oraimo cord we go use locate our guy

Jawan 10/10.
The only movie on my list that it couldn't unseat is gladiator.

It couldn't be anything less because When it comes to story line Bollywood is legendary plus Hollywood action directors.

abduleez1:


Great observation.

Napoleon is surely within the Oscar timeframe. I think Oscar hopefuls still have till January to release their projects theatrically.

Wait!!!! Movies released in January can still be considered?

BlackManta:


The self proclaimed anti-wokies on YouTube have weaponized this interview to push agenda

Wait!!!! Weren't you expecting it?
I love how we have laid out factors why the marvels is a huge flop which some people predicted but there's one factor people aren't getting into,the entire culture war,whether you like it or not,it plays a major role in these movies

The Nun II......7/10

A refreshing horror sequel with far better storytelling than the first. Better performance and better lore. The writing was way much improved as well as the pacing.

The movie keeps the universe unique costume design and it's great Cinematography. A few jumpscares here and there but a far compact story. And this is another big win for the Conjuring Universe.

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Lust, Caution......7.5/10
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Moved at a slow pace, but turned the corner on the 1hr mark. It became tempting and wildly enjoyable from that point and never let go till the end.
It's a story with themes of lust, obsession and nationalism.

Tony Leung and the lead actress gave a commendable performance.
Those copious nudity and sex scenes is well...... stimulating.

The ending is just a weird twist of fate with the protagonist choosing to sacrifice her friends cos she somehow fell in love with an abusive and violent government worker she's supposed to spy on. 🙃

oyaskii:
That RT is so stinking and dangerously close to been rotten...TF. Most likely due to Ridley Scott sparing with critics on a perceived historical in accuracies with the movie 😂😂

abdul bin tell me say "Oscar best picture material" full December 👀👀😂

Joker did the same back then and debut with 66% thereabouts. It's final RT score is 69% and it was still a very strong Best Picture contender and a Best Actor and Best Score winner despite all the shenanigans of critics.

Also, Ridley Scott fighting with French critics ain't helping while saying "The French also hate themselves". 😂

Lol, Best Picture quality dey on board from ending of this month throughout December. Make na chill fess. 😭 I ain't doubting.

Cc Phr0nesis

phr0nesis:

That RT score is a far cry of what was predicted.
At this point, if Saltburn or Poor Things no make best picture list, Na Oraimo cord we go use locate our guy

Lol, I no dey fear for these ones.

Poor Things is more than assured to get a Best Picture nomination. Saltburn also seems very likely too.

Joker had less than stellar RT score and was very divisive but was a Best Picture nominee and Best Actor winner. In fact, it was nominated in almost all the relevant categories.

James just Gunn'd down scoopers...... Again!! 😭😭😂😂

abduleez1:


Joker did the same back then and debut with 66% thereabouts. It's final RT score is 69% and it was still a very strong Best Picture contender and a Best Actor and Best Score winner despite all the shenanigans of critics.

Also, Ridley Scott fighting with French critics ain't helping while saying "The French also hate themselves". 😂

Lol, Best Picture quality dey on board from ending of this month throughout December. Make na chill fess. 😭 I ain't doubting.

Cc Phr0nesis

Omo e be like say dis era, Hollywood just dey gbas gbos for critics, it's happening more often from moviestars to directors even writers and I'm so here for it even fans sef dey collect if dem no go watch but I no think say pesin like Ridley fit talk like that, whether the product you make is good or bad, majority of these critics can be downright harsh and I'm saying this for all the industries not just the movieworld

Apparently, Hollywood should know that their projects will always get criticized especially in today's climate when you are adapting a cultural figure,expect the people who owns such culture to come for you even if you have the best intentions,just block out the noise,fans who want to go watch will go watch regardless of what the critics say because they also have their flaws,they are Human at the end of the day so they aren't immune to money and being bought

Baddestguyp:
I've said it before but some people will keep denying it

SUPERHERO FATIGUE EXISTS!!!

The recent bombs are a combination of Bad movies + Superhero Fatigue

You can't keep recycling the same plotlines and expect people not to get fed up...


Marvel needs to do a few things imo:

1. Reduce the amount of Superhero content they release
2. Increase creativity and stop following the same formula
3. Avoid anything that has to do with the word "MULTIVERSE" - this word is a timebomb that kills audience interest
4. Focus on character driven stories rather than the whole saving the world or universe crap - be more grounded and relatable

5. Avoid lgbtq and feminisim agenda at all cost

Palehair:

Wait!!!! Movies released in January can still be considered?

Nope... a mistake. It's till December ending.
November 15 was the deadline for submission of films for consideration.
But you have till December 31st to release in theatres in a major US market for at least a week.


Preliminary Oscar voting starts beginning of January. Nominations announces in January 23.

Baddestguyp:
Bro...the fact is that Superhero Fatigue exists...

You want proof? I myself am proof of it already...
And I know many people that are the same. They are burnt out by these movies cos they follow the same structure.

A great way of fixing this is by subverting from the norm.
A lot of Superhero movies troupes and structure are already tiring to the audience.

The Batman works because it's more grounded...it didn't follow the usual format we see these movies follow.

Same as why a Joker 2 movie will perform well. Because it is a Superhero movie that doesn't feel like one...as it doesn't follow the same overused structure and troupes...

Guardians 3 and Spiderverse are movies with characters that the audience already resonate with before the Superhero Fatigue became a thing...and as such, the audience would follow the characters to their conclusion.





Also, what I can assure you is that one guaranteed way of killing CBM is to focus on the MULTIVERSE.

You should have seen comments when the news broke that Invincible S2 would explore the MULTIVERSE. Even on the subreddit they discussed how Marvel and DC had completely killed the concept so much that the regular audience hate that word.

Luckily so far Invincible is handling it in a way that isn't exhausting.

Regular Audience don't want to hear the word "Multiverse"

BRUV, all this you're saying is premium SHALAYE PRO MAX!!
Reddit and Twitter noisemakers are different from regular moviegoers.
All this one na undue SHALAYE because your blanket statement of "Superhero fatigue" doesn't account for contexts.

If you want to shout fatigue, then it must apply to almost all in the genre.

You'll shout fatigue from now till next year but new Batman, Superman and Spiderman films will still bring in fans regardless of any useless fatigue or not.

To trash your multiverse shït talk.... Isn't it the same multiverse story that Multiverse of Madness used to make almost $1bn not too long ago? SpiderVerse? The same thing with $690mn. And LOKI is charting at present.
So all those talk is in y'all bubble in your heads.
You can't just exclude these "great" movies and then give generalistic views cos these said movies are all CBMs.

If it's real good, people will come flocking.
All the aforementioned flops you people like using as examples are all bad to average films. Name ONE really good CBM movie that have flopped in the last two years and has widespread appeal?? I'm waiting.




So my stance still stands, "Superhero Fatigue" ain't really a factor in CBM struggle but a myriad of other things I've said before as well as other people's contribution on the topic.

abduleez1:


BRUV, all this you're saying is premium SHALAYE PRO MAX!!
Reddit and Twitter noisemakers are different from regular moviegoers.
All this one na undue SHALAYE because your blanket statement of "Superhero fatigue" doesn't account for contexts.

If you want to shout fatigue, then it must apply to almost all in the genre.

You'll shout fatigue from now till next year but new Batman, Superman and Spiderman films will still bring in fans regardless of any useless fatigue or not.

To trash your multiverse shït talk.... Isn't it the same multiverse story that Multiverse of Madness used to make almost $1bn not too long ago? SpiderVerse? The same thing with $690mn. And LOKI is charting at present.
So all those talk is in y'all bubble in your heads.
You can't just exclude these "great" movies and then give generalistic views cos these said movies are all CBMs.

If it's real good, people will come flocking.
All the aforementioned flops you people like using as examples are all bad to average films. Name ONE really good CBM movie that have flopped in the last two years and has widespread appeal?? I'm waiting.




So my stance still stands, "Superhero Fatigue" ain't really a factor in CBM struggle but a myriad of other things I've said before as well as other people's contribution on the topic.

As usual you refuse to believe in Superhero Fatigue.

You talk as if these people on Twitter and Reddit are not part of the so called "General Audiences" that watch these movies.

Is it not the same people who saw the trailers of The Marvels and concluded it wasn't worth their time?

Is it not these same people who memed about The Flash and gave it bad publicity and memed about bad CGI and empty seats at cinema?

The movie bombed now and you're claiming excuses. Tell me how your so-called "General Audiences" knew The Marvels would be bad.

Are these people not the same ones who saw the trailer and decided it is not worth their time?

If their opinion does not count, then how come The Marvels and many other CBM flopped?


Whether you believe it or not, Superhero Fatigue exists and audiences are experiencing it

You can cope all you want, but you cannot change facts.

abduleez1:


Nope... a mistake. It's till December ending.
November 15 was the deadline for submission of films for consideration.
But you have till December 31st to release in theatres in a major US market for at least a week.


Preliminary Oscar voting starts beginning of January. Nominations announces in January 23.

Oh kkk