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tctrills:
Good question.
Now my answer.
1. The bible did not state if he was born again
2. Even if he wasn't, he would need to be before entering the kingdom of God.
So you see either way, Jesus does not lie

According to the Jesus's criteria at John 3 was the thief a born again?

cornelboy:
According to the Jesus's criteria at John 3 was the thief a born again?

In John 3 Jesus definition was to be born of water and the spirit. I don't have the history or record of the robber to know if her was born of water or the spirit. I believe I have answered this question like 100 times already. Move on to your next question if you have any.

achorladey:
As in the content and context of the verse is centered upon crime in the society

Where in the verse talks about societal deliquescence.

tctrills:
Where in the verse talks about societal deliquescence.

MaxInDHouse the liar and manipulator wants to add his own content and context to it

tctrills:
He never mentioned he was talking about crime in our society please where did he say he was talking about crime in our society?
I would agree I have no integrity if you point any statement that shows Peter was talking about crimes in the society.

So you're expecting Peter to say:
"this is crime in all societies" shey?

Read what Peter said again:

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭NIV‬‬
If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.

1 Peter 4:15 KJV
But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

1 Peter 4:15 NWT
However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or a wrongdoer or a busybody in other people’s matters

If you don't know i'm telling you today that this is not about religious rules but societal laws, because in Christianity we do not suffer anyone if the worst come we shun a wrongdoer like Jews do treat tax collectors in the first century so who are those that makes others suffer? It's the authority due to SOCIETAL LAWS when broken!

MaxInDHouse:
So you're expecting Peter to say:
"this is crime in all societies" shey?

Read what Peter said again:

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭NIV‬‬
If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.

1 Peter 4:15 KJV
But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

1 Peter 4:15 NWT
However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or a wrongdoer or a busybody in other people’s matters

If you don't know i'm telling you today that this is not about religious rules but societal laws, because in Christianity we do not suffer anyone if the worst come we shun a wrongdoer like Jews do treat tax collectors in the first century so who are those that makes others suffer? It's the authority due to SOCIETAL LAWS when broken!

You quoted the same verse several times and none indicated that Peter was about crime to society so what was in your mind when you when you went from one version to the other and none was selling your point.

tctrills:
You quoted the same verse several times and none indicated that Peter was about crime to society so what was in your mind when you when you went from one version to the other and none was selling your point.

"Let no one SUFFER"

In Christianity we don't suffer anyone no matter what happens we reprove a wrongdoer who goes against the tenets if he's repentant but if not we disfellowship them but in the world a murderer, armed robber, evildoer or busybody SUFFERS if they don't get killed!

MaxInDHouse:
"Let no one SUFFER"

In Christianity we don't suffer anyone no matter what happens we reprove a wrongdoer who goes against the tenets if he's repentant but if not we disfellowship them but in the world a murderer, armed robber, evildoer or busybody SUFFERS if they don't get killed!

Oga your problem is English oh.
Please ask anyone that knows better the meaning of that pharse >:
I understand it's old school English but at least ask before you post na.
Oh just google it.

tctrills:
In John 3 Jesus definition was to be born of water and the spirit. I don't have the history or record of the robber to know if her was born of water or the spirit. I believe I have answered this question like 100 times already. Move on to your next question if you have any.

Lol who were the first set of disciples to be born again?
The first born agains were the 120 disciples after Jesus' ascension.

The fact that you're even thinking that a convicted armed robber could be a born again is enough to leave you to your unreasonableness.

tctrills:
Oga your problem is English oh.
Please ask anyone that knows better the meaning of that pharse >:
I understand it's old school English but at least ask before you post na.
Oh just google it.

Ọmọ it's even simpler than you think but your problem is pride because under normal circumstances you will never ever approve an ARMED ROBBER to be a preacher or teacher of God's word talkless standing before you to preach. That man was arrested and executed for robbery and he himself confirmed that he was justly executed for his crimes.
So you hiding behind a finger shows you have no shame while arguing blindly!

cornelboy:
Lol who were the first set of disciples to be born again?
The first born agains were the 120 disciples after Jesus' ascension.
The fact that you're even thinking that a convicted armed robber could be a born again is enough to leave you to your unreasonableness.

He is ready to bury his head in the sand than to admit that for the robber to have a Visa to Paradise means himself and all his pastors don't understand what Jesus said @ John 3:3-5

If we're to go by their interpretation that only born again could enter God's kingdom then it means that thief must be a born again Christian.

That's where he is hooked!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's even simpler than you think but your problem is pride because under normal circumstances you will never ever approve an ARMED ROBBER to be a preacher or teacher of God's word talkless standing before you to preach. That man was arrested and executed for robbery and he himself confirmed that he was justly executed for his crimes.
So you hiding behind a finger shows you have no shame while arguing blindly!

And your Jehovah’s witnesses approve child molesters passive, active ones to preach and teach in your midst

MaxInDHouse:
He is ready to bury his head in the sand than to admit that for the robber to have a Visa to Paradise means himself and all his pastors don't understand what Jesus said @ John 3:3-5

If we're to go by their interpretation that only born again could enter God's kingdom then it means that thief must be a born again Christian.

That's where he is hooked!

Your madness and insanities peddling got hooked into the thief will enter everlasting life rather than God's kingdom

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's even simpler than you think but your problem is pride because under normal circumstances you will never ever approve an ARMED ROBBER to be a preacher or teacher of God's word talkless standing before you to preach. That man was arrested and executed for robbery and he himself confirmed that he was justly executed for his crimes.
So you hiding behind a finger shows you have no shame while arguing blindly!

This is a no point. Many robbers have been known to repent. Please bring up a better point

achorladey:
Your madness and insanities peddling got hooked into the thief will enter everlasting life rather than God's kingdom

MaxinDHouse is yet to quote a single passage of bible that explains this madness.

tctrills:
This is a no point. Many robbers have been known to repent. Please bring up a better point

I'm not disputing that a former armed robber repents but that a person executed as an armed robber is BORN AGAIN?
Under what condition?
Jesus said a BORN AGAIN must be baptized in water and anointed with God's Holy Spirit when a person enters into this two states he can never ever turn to an armed robber.

God said:

“But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him.” Hebrews 10:38

BORN AGAIN Christians must meet together regularly to continue encouraging one another so as to love and incite to fine works {Hebrews 10:24-25} whoever is BORN AGAIN must not forsake such gathering and it's impossible for anyone to be in such gathering and still be an ARMED ROBBER.
So there's no sense claiming that the armed robber executed alongside Jesus was a BORN AGAIN Christian!

tctrills:
MaxinDHouse is yet to quote a single passage of bible that explains this madness.

Call it anything you want that's your personal cup of coffee.

God's people before Jesus has always believe in living forever:

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.  Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance. Psalms 37:9-11

How long are they going to live on planet earth after the evildoers had been removed {Proverbs 2:20-22} God's word answered:

The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

So Paradise is going to be on planet earth not heaven but the government that will rule over the earth will be taken to heaven {John 14:1-3} that's the difference between God's kingdom and Paradise!

tctrills:
MaxinDHouse is yet to quote a single passage of bible that explains this madness.

See what he was using yesterday as copied from their publications.....

Only persons who have been “born again,” thus becoming God’s sons, can share in the heavenly Kingdom

They added

John 1:12, 13: “As many as did receive him [Jesus Christ], to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name; and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.” (“As many as did receive him” does not mean all humans who have put faith in Christ. Notice who is being referred to, as indicated by verse 11 [“his own people,” the Jews]. The same privilege has been extended to others of mankind, but only to a “little flock[/b].”)

See lies and manipulations packed into their brains I talked about.......

John 1: 11,12 says as many as did receive him(Jesus Christ) they changed it as many as 144,000 that received him .

They didn't stop there, they went further....

(“As [b]many as did receive him” does not mean all humans who have put faith in Christ

Where in that account in content and context stated the amount.

Now see another lie....

John 1:10? He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him. 12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children,because they were exercising faith in his name. 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God

See the world that did not know him was mentioned first, then his own people second before the chapter goes into HOWEVER, TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM. The world didn't know him, his own people know him but didn't accept him .

The reason they added

The same privilege has been extended to others of mankind, but only to a “little flock

Which means the ALL in that account is not restricted to his own people he was definitely talking about the world and his people and no where in that account says the as many as did receive him or all equates to a LITTLE FLOCK of 144,000 people

MaxInDHouse:
Call it anything you want that's your personal cup of coffee.

God's people before Jesus has always believe in living forever:

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.  Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance. Psalms 37:9-11

How long are they going to live on planet earth after the evildoers had been removed {Proverbs 2:20-22} God's word answered:

The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

So Paradise is going to be on planet earth not heaven but the government that will rule over the earth will be taken to heaven {John 14:1-3} that's the difference between God's kingdom and Paradise!

You don't even have a single verse that states paradise would be on the earth. I showed you a verse that stated paradise is in heaven. Do who do we believe, you or the bible?

Please read again

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

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tctrills:
You don't even have a single verse that states paradise would be on the earth. I showed you a verse that stated paradise is in heaven. Do who do we believe, you or the bible?
Please read again
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The third heaven is not a literal place but a condition which connotes divine favour.

There are three heavens!

First heaven is where God and angels lives {Psalms 115:16} so we all know that whoever is connected to this realm gains FAVOUR.

Second heaven is human government which will soon be no more including their rebellious subjects who are called EARTH {Isaiah 65:17} presently whoever is connected to this heaven gains FAVOUR in the world.

Third heaven is the condition of those who have gotten the assurance of divine favour while they live we use their examples to ask for FAVOUR from God but now they're in their graves eg Enoch, Moses, Elijah, the thief Jesus gave a Visa to Paradise.

That's what the third heaven symbolizes not the literal heaven where God lives, unless a man is born of Spirit he can't get to heaven! John 3:3-5

tctrills.....

Here is more from their religious publications.....

Where is the seat of God’s Kingdom? “The kingdom of God” is also called “the kingdom of the heavens,” which shows that Jesus and his fellow kings rule from heaven. (Luke 8:10; Matthew 13:11) Thus, God’s Kingdom is a heavenly government made up of Jesus Christ and a group of fellow rulers chosen from among mankind.

What, then, did Jesus mean when he stated that one must be born again to “enter into the kingdom of God”? He meant that one needs to be born again in order to become a ruler with Christ in heaven. Simply put, the purpose of the new birth is to prepare a limited group of humans for heavenly rulership.........

This is why MaxInDHouse keeps struggling to support his madness and insanities peddling about born again with scripture.

To them the essence of being born again = to prepare a limited group of humans for heavenly rulership = 144,000 = as many as who did receive him.

Any other person including the thief will not enter into God's kingdom

tctrills

Now one important one that shows how they will come to platforms like this to manipulate and lie is captured in this question how do those of the "anointed" aka 144,000 know they are born again and God's children?

See what follows....

When Christians are anointed by holy spirit, they are “born again,” or “born from above.” * Jesus also indicated that it is impossible to explain exactly to someone who has not been anointed how it feels to be “born again,” or to be “born from the spirit.”​—John 3:3-8; ftn

MaxInDHouse and cornelboy(not anointed) wants to tell you now that the thief is not anointed not born again and will not enter the kingdom of God

MaxInDHouse:
The third heaven is not a literal place but a condition which connotes divine favour.
Guesswork and your opinion. Paul said he was taken there but you seem to know more than paul

There are three heavens!

First heaven is where God and angels lives {Psalms 115:16} so we all know that whoever is connected to this realm gains FAVOUR.

Second heaven is human government which will soon be no more including their rebellious subjects who are called EARTH {Isaiah 65:17} presently whoever is connected to this heaven gains FAVOUR in the world.
No bible verse speaks of a second heaven please stick to the bible and not myth.

Third heaven is the condition of those who have gotten the assurance of divine favour while they live we use their examples to ask for FAVOUR from God but now they're in their graves eg Enoch, Moses, Elijah, the thief Jesus gave a Visa to Paradise.

That's what the third heaven symbolizes not the literal heaven where God lives, unless a man is born of Spirit he can't get to heaven! John 3:3-5

Again you made this up as it is not supported by scripture.
I have a question, where do you get these your no scriptural beliefs from. Who teaches you these falsehoods?

achorladey:
tctrills

Now one important one that shows how they will come to platforms like this to manipulate and lie is captured in this question how do those of the "anointed" aka 144,000 know they are born again and God's children?

See what follows....



MaxInDHouse and cornelboy(not anointed) wants to tell you now that the thief is not anointed not born again and will not enter the kingdom of God

My big problem with MaxinDHouse and his group is that their beliefs can't be defended using the bible.
Now he talks about a second heaven, I have asked him to show me a verse but we already know that the bible never mentioned a second heaven.

tctrills:
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Again you made this up as it is not supported by scripture. I have a question, where do you get these your no scriptural beliefs from. Who teaches you these falsehoods?

I will also ask you a question and if you answer i will tell you who is teaching God's people today.

Who told you that a confirmed ARMED ROBBER is BORN AGAIN?

tctrills:
My big problem with MaxinDHouse and his group is that their beliefs can't be defended using the bible. Now he talks about a second heaven, I have asked him to show me a verse but we already know that the bible never mentioned a second heaven.

What is the work of God's Holy Spirit?

If the Bible mention THIRD HEAVEN and you're TEACHING an interested person to believe in your God and the Bible (supposed word of your God) how are you going to answer when he or she ask you about the FIRST and SECOND before your book mention THIRD?

MaxInDHouse:
What is the work of God's Holy Spirit?

If the Bible mention THIRD HEAVEN and you're TEACHING an interested person to believe in your God and the Bible (supposed word of your God) how are you going to answer when he or she ask you about the FIRST and SECOND before your book mention THIRD?

Good question, instead of lying and making up things that are not in the bible, how about you inform the person that God has not yet revealed all his knowledge to mankind and it's not our duty to answer all questions but to lead people to Christ.
How about just being humble and honest and not making up things.

MaxInDHouse:
I will also ask you a question and if you answer i will tell you who is teaching God's people today.

Who told you that a confirmed ARMED ROBBER is BORN AGAIN?

I have answered that question a million times but you seem to have issues with your understanding.
I will try one more time to answer and I hope this time, you will understand.

Now my answer,
1. I never said the robber was born again.
In our entire conversation, you would not find any place I stated he was born again.

2. We do not know if he was born again or not as the bible did not state so.
If something has not be revealed, I do not pretend to know it.

Please do you understand my answer this time?
I hope you would not repeat the question again because by now, I believe you should understand me perfectly.
Thanks
One more thing, the robber was promised a place in paradise which Paul makes us understand is located not on earth but in heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the work of God's Holy Spirit?

If the Bible mention THIRD HEAVEN and you're TEACHING an interested person to believe in your God and the Bible (supposed word of your God) how are you going to answer when he or she ask you about the FIRST and SECOND before your book mention THIRD?

Now let's go through Paul's words.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
So even Paul was not sure if his Journey to the 3rd heaven was a physical experience or if it was his spirit. Yet he was humble enough to say, 'I don't know.'
He did not need to lie that the 3rd heaven was on earth or was a thing of the mind.

Now to some English class

From Paul's statement, it's clear that the 3rd heaven is a place outside your mind, and not a state of mind.
If it was a state of mind there wouldn't have been a need for him to talk about whether in or out of the body.
You do not go to a state of mind in or out of your body because your mind is within you.

I advise you to talk with someone who understands English a bit better, trust me, it would give you better understanding of the scriptures.

tctrills:
My big problem with MaxinDHouse and his group is that their beliefs can't be defended using the bible.
Now he talks about a second heaven, I have asked him to show me a verse but we already know that the bible never mentioned a second heaven.

You haven't see the last of this topic and the lies and manipulations behind it to keep their members subservient to their changing doctrines and interpretations

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Jehovah knows those who belong to him.” (2 Tim. 2:19) Unlike Jehovah, the brothers who count the number of those partaking at the Memorial do not know who truly is anointed. So the number includes those who think that they are anointed but are not. For example, some who used to partake later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that make them believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Clearly, we do not know exactly how many anointed ones are left on earth.

Jehovah decides when he will choose anointed ones. (Rom. 8:28-30) Jehovah began choosing anointed ones after Jesus was resurrected. It seems that in the first century, all true Christians were anointed. In the centuries that followed, most of those who claimed that they were Christians did not really follow Christ[\b]. Even so, during those years, [b]Jehovah anointed the few who were true Christians. They were like the wheat that Jesus said would grow among the weeds. (Matt. 13:24-30) During the last days, Jehovah has continued to choose people who will be part of the 144,000. * So if God decides to choose some of these just before the end, surely we should not question his wisdom. (Read Romans 9:11, 16.) * We must be careful not to react like the workers whom Jesus described in one of his illustrations. They complained about the way their master treated those who started working in the last hour.​—Matt. 20:8-15.

From all of the above you see why their doctrines stand based on speculation and assumptions that cannot be backed from the Bible.


Now see how the below rubbish all the time MaxInDHouse used in cooking lies and manipulations about 1 Peter 4:15...

Anointed ones should think seriously about the warning found at 1 Corinthians 11:27-29. (Read.) How might an anointed one partake “unworthily” at the Memorial? He would do so if he ate and drank the emblems but was not living up to Jehovah’s righteous standards. (Heb. 6:4-6; 10:26-29) Anointed ones realize that they must stay faithful if they want to receive “the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.”​—Phil. 3:13-16.

How can someone who cannot do what is recorded in 1 Peter 4:15 be warned here in their magazines

achorladey:
You haven't see the last of this topic and the lies and manipulations behind it to keep their members subservient to their changing doctrines and interpretations

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Now see how the below rubbish all the time MaxInDHouse used in cooking lies and manipulations about 1 Peter 4:15...



How can someone who cannot do what is recorded in 1 Peter 4:15 be warned here in their magazines

I think MaxinDHouse and his JW flock need to read George Orwell's Animal Farm. Remember, All animals are equal but some are more equal than the others.
They have created an evil inequality that God never established.
The bible says blessed are the poor in spirit for they shall inherit the kingdom of heaven. But no matter how people like MaxinDHouse try to be poor in spirit, he will never reap the blessings of God because he is a member of a group that has prevented him from the blessings and rewards of God.
If anyone wants the fullness of God's blessings, he cannot be a member of such a group.