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MaxInDHouse:
You talked about use of English today yet you're misusing words. Whatever over 8 million people agreed upon is no longer PERSONAL.
So withdraw that statement!

Ok thanks for the correction you are correct.
I should have said your group opinion.
Correction taken

tctrills:
Oga your dishonesty is world-class, But it would not fly this time around because I actually got that definition of Poor in spirit from a JW publication and I agree with it that's why I used it.
You keep showing that you can't be trusted. You have a constant need and desire to lie.

That is why we always tell people like you that you need to study our publications with one of us otherwise you will misconstrue everything in it.

Poor in spirit means those who felt they're nothing without pure worship such ones are ever ready to trash anything they possess just to gain God's approval through pure worship.

That's what help Jesus' apostles to be counted as POOR IN SPIRIT.

Read what Peter said:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Peter said this when a man refused to let go of worldly possessions to become one of Jesus' closest companions! Matthew 19:16-24

So to such ones they are POOR no matter what they possess as long as they don't belong to pure worship. That's the meaning of POOR IN SPIRIT.

And as for HUMBLE ONES these people are ready to learn from those POOR in spirit so even though we know that they don't have anything to stand beside us in the society we humbly subject ourselves to their teachings {Act 2:42} because we can see that God's promises are coming to fulfilment because of their works. That's why God's prophet said if people like me will be saved during the day of God's anger i must seek meekness (humility) and righteousness! Zephaniah 2:2-3


Now if i should ask you to present any servant of God qualified to teach you so that you can stick to his teachings as God's representative you can't point to any because you just want to please yourself that's where you and i differ.

So the POOR IN SPIRIT will inherit God's Kingdom in heaven because they've sold out everything they had to buy it {Matthew 13:46} that's why Jesus is using them as his brothers to dispense spiritual food to millions across the globe {Matthew 24:45} therefore whoever disrespect them simply because they don't posses things of the world can't gain everlasting life {Matthew 25:31-46} because when Jesus himself was here on earth he had nothing to point out as his personal belonging apart from his disciples whom he takes as his brothers and sisters {Matthew 12:46-50} that's the same thing he promised those who are POOR IN SPIRIT! Mark 12:29-30

MaxInDHouse:
That's not the interpretation of what Jesus meant by POOR IN SPIRIT!

And as for HUMBLE ONES both are found in the scriptures but your pride to argue is the problem.

However i can see that Jesus mentioned the two different destinations and specifically talked about two categories of blessed ones to inherit them respectively.

So keep on meditating on that!

see as e completely use hs own hands to shot himself with
......

"That's not the interpretation of what Jesus meant by POOR IN SPIRIT"

and instantly you show tctrills was correct in saying they were your personal opinion because you do not agree with even your own religiuos publication that says.....

Let's define poor in spirit as one who looks and depends on God.

You came back with.......


"Whatever over 8 million people agreed upon is no
longer PERSONAL."

when we already know you don't accept the meaning of poor in spirit as captured in your religius publication. You are a liar and manipulator.

MaxInDHouse:
That is why we always tell people like you that you need to study our publications with one of us otherwise you will misconstrue everything in it.

Poor in spirit means those who felt they're nothing without pure worship such ones are ever ready to trash anything they possess just to gain God's approval through pure worship.

That's what help Jesus' apostles to be counted as POOR IN SPIRIT.

Read what Peter said:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Peter said this when a man refused to let go of worldly possessions to become one of Jesus' closest companions! Matthew 19:16-24

So to such ones they are POOR no matter what they possess as long as they don't belong to pure worship. That's the meaning of POOR IN SPIRIT.

And as for HUMBLE ONES these people are ready to learn from those POOR in spirit so even though we know that they don't have anything to stand beside us in the society we humbly subject ourselves to their teachings {Act 2:42} because we can see that God's promises are coming to fulfilment because of their works. That's why God's prophet said if people like me will be saved during the day of God's anger i must seek meekness (humility) and righteousness! Zephaniah 2:2-3


Now if i should ask you to present any servant of God qualified to teach you so that you can stick to his teachings as God's representative you can't point to any because you just want to please yourself that's where you and i differ.

So the POOR IN SPIRIT will inherit God's Kingdom in heaven because they've sold out everything they had to buy it {}

You and dishonesty are 5 and 6 please what is the difference between my definition and the JW publication?
You said I misinterpreted the meaning of poor in spirit, do you still think so even after I have showed you my source?

achorladey:
see as e completely use hs own hands to shot himself with
......

"That's not the interpretation of what Jesus meant by POOR IN SPIRIT"

and instantly you show tctrills was correct in saying they were your personal opinion because you do not agree with even your own religiuos publication that says.....

Let's define poor in spirit as one who looks and depends on God.

You came back with.......


"Whatever over 8 million people agreed upon is no
longer PERSONAL."

when we already know you don't accept the meaning of poor in spirit as captured in your religius publication. You are a liar and manipulator.

Funny enough I did not even know if was a JW publication I was using until he said I was wrong and I went back to research.
I honestly used to think JW are one of the most honest people out there but MaxinDHouse is opening my eyes.

tctrills:
You and dishonesty are 5 and 6 please what is the difference between my definition and the JW publication?
You said I misinterpreted the meaning of poor in spirit, do you still think so even after I have showed you my source?

Do you BELIEVE the source or you're just trying to use it as tool for arguing?

POOR IN SPIRIT means those who are ready to give away everything they had for pure worship!

tctrills:
Ok thanks for the correction you are correct.
I should have said your group opinion.
Correction taken

the same MaxINDHouse aka madness and insanities peddler has shown us repeatedly that they dont agree on everything i.e they have personal opinion. When hooked on his lies, he will add more lie to divert the discussion.

You already don catch am. He must look for a way out.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you BELIEVE the source or you're just trying to use it as tool for arguing?

POOR IN SPIRIT means those who are ready to give away everything they had for pure worship!

Look oga I did not know it was a JW publication until you claimed I was wrong and I went back to the publication.
Do you disagree with the definition in the publication? If not just agree you are wrong and move on.

achorladey:
the same MaxINDHouse aka madness and insanities peddler has shown us repeatedly that they dont agree on everything i.e they have personal opinion. When hooked on his lies, he will add more lie to divert the discussion.

You already don catch am. He must look for a way out.

I understand him, he is not after the truth. He is only after defending his organization so he does not care if he lies or uses falsehoods.
I am open to new ideas and to changing my opinion but he is only open to lies as long as it's in the interest of JW.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you BELIEVE the source or you're just trying to use it as tool for arguing?

POOR IN SPIRIT means those who are ready to give away everything they had for pure worship!

something tctrills clearly stated......

But it would not fly this time around because I actually got that definition of Poor in spirit from a JW publication and I AGREE WITH IT THAT'S I USED IT.


Looooool!

MaxINDHouse, do you agree with your religious publication and the source regarding meaning of POOR IN SPIRIT? Looool!

tctrills:
Look oga I did not know it was a JW publication until you claimed I was wrong and I went back to the publication.
Do you disagree with the definition in the publication? If not just agree you are wrong and move on.

loooool! He should agree na MaxINDHouse personal opinion. Looool

achorladey:
loooool! He should agree na MaxINDHouse personal opinion. Looool

I gave MaxinDHouse the JW definition but he believes he has a better definition so I am confused, are there 2 different JW organizations?

achorladey:
He will also need to read 1984 by same George Orwell. A book budaatum gave me a link ahead of time not knowing I will equally read a book that analyse the Jehovah's Witnesses religious organization mode of operation using that same book.

I see you give me work Sir. It is a sin that this book is not on our curricula.

budaatum:
"Orwellian" is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society. It denotes an attitude and a brutal policy of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth (doublethink), and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson"—a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practised by modern repressive governments. Often, this includes the circumstances depicted in his novels, particularly Nineteen Eighty-Four but political doublespeak is criticized throughout his work, such as in Politics and the English Language.

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tctrills:
I gave MaxinDHouse the JW definition but he believes he has a better definition so I am confused, are there 2 different JW organizations?

obviously there are no two JW organisation. He wants to deny the existence of his personal opinion. Loool!

tctrills:
Look oga I did not know it was a JW publication until you claimed I was wrong and I went back to the publication.
Do you disagree with the definition in the publication? If not just agree you are wrong and move on.

Guy that's the meaning of POOR IN SPIRIT our publications often has updates due to better understanding. I gave you the meaning and quoted scriptures to show you but you just want to misconstrue the whole thing the same way you want to condemn God's word by picking words out of context.

Only the POOR IN SPIRIT can be chosen as BORN AGAIN Christian while the HUMBLE do subject themselves to the POOR IN SPIRIT.

I gave you scriptural examples of those who are POOR IN SPIRIT and how they turned out to be BORN AGAIN Christians but since you're not interested in the truth all you want is quote words that you can't substantiate.

Meanwhile why using JW publications if you don't trust the GB of JWs?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy that's the meaning of POOR IN SPIRIT our publications often has updates due to better understanding. I gave you the meaning and quoted scriptures to show you but you just want to misconstrue the whole thing the same way you want to condemn God's word by picking words out of context.

Only the POOR IN SPIRIT can be chosen as BORN AGAIN Christian while the HUMBLE do subject themselves to the POOR IN SPIRIT.

I gave you scriptural examples of those who are POOR IN SPIRIT and how they turned out to be BORN AGAIN Christians but since you're not interested in the truth all you want is quote words that you can't substantiate.

Meanwhile why using JW publications if you don't trust the GB of JWs?

So you are saying the publication is wrong right?

tctrills:
I gave MaxinDHouse the JW definition but he believes he has a better definition so I am confused, are there 2 different JW organizations?

There are two different JWs:
Those that takes words and aren't ready for updates such ones will turn to apostates later claiming "they said this before now they're saying that"
Those who are ever ready to make amendments due to updates such ones will always follow up with the latest update they don't care about what is outdated understanding.

That's why you're having all these apostates they can quote publications of 1900 for you even though they know it's not practically applicable anywhere!

tctrills:
So you are saying the publication is wrong right?

Go for updated understanding of our publications that's why God's word said:

"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That grows brighter and brighter until full daylight" Proverbs 4:18

POOR IN SPIRIT are the ones whose attitude is like the ones Jesus talked about:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

They don't have any worthy possession other than their brothers and sisters in the faith {Mark 10:29-30} most of them even sold their properties to support the ministry and never expected anything in return that's what Peter and the other apostles did before they were counted worthy of becoming part of the Born Again Christians {Matthew 19:27} while Judas Iscariot who was still eyeing material possessions lost out!

MaxInDHouse:
There are two different JWs:
Those that takes words and aren't ready for updates such ones will turn to apostates later claiming "they said this before now they're saying that"
Those who are ever ready to make amendments due to updates such ones will always follow up with the latest update they don't care about what is outdated understanding.

That's why you're having all these apostates they can quote publications of 1900 for you even though they know it's not practically applicable anywhere!

Oga can you update the truth? How about you try to update the bible and we see how it goes for you? Now if you are into updating your beliefs why should anyone take you seriously?
This means next week you will come up with a 3rd definition for the poor in spirit.
So which do we take your old definition, your present definition, or your future definition?
Truth is eternal, it does not change with time or season.
Also, if you have updated the definition, why is the wrong definition still on an official JW site?
Lastly could you please link to the updated definition on a JW site?

MaxInDHouse:
Go for updated understanding of our publications that's why God's word said:

"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That grows brighter and brighter until full daylight" Proverbs 4:18

POOR IN SPIRIT are the ones whose attitude is like the ones Jesus talked about:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

They don't have any worthy possession other than their brothers and sisters in the faith {Mark 10:29-30} most of them even sold their properties to support the ministry and never expected anything in return that's what Peter and the other apostles did before they were counted worthy of becoming part of the Born Again Christians {Matthew 19:27} while Judas Iscariot who was still eyeing material possessions lost out!

Please answer the question, was the un-updated definition wrong? And what year did you guys realize you have been wrong all this time and decide to update?
This shows that so many things in your belief need to be updated. Or are you guys done updating?

MaxInDHouse:
Go for updated understanding of our publications that's why God's word said:

"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That grows brighter and brighter until full daylight" Proverbs 4:18

POOR IN SPIRIT are the ones whose attitude is like the ones Jesus talked about:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

They don't have any worthy possession other than their brothers and sisters in the faith {Mark 10:29-30} most of them even sold their properties to support the ministry and never expected anything in return that's what Peter and the other apostles did before they were counted worthy of becoming part of the Born Again Christians {Matthew 19:27} while Judas Iscariot who was still eyeing material possessions lost out!

I just checked, and what I quoted was published in 200. That is not so long ago so before 2001 no JW member knew the meaning of poor in spirit. Millions of JW members have died thinking they were poor in spirit only for the definition to be different in 2023.
My question is, please what year did you update?

tctrills:
Oga can you update the truth? How about you try to update the bible and we see how it goes for you? Now if you are into updating your beliefs why should anyone take you seriously?
This means next week you will come up with a 3rd definition for the poor in spirit.
So which do we take your old definition, your present definition, or your future definition?
Truth is eternal, it does not change with time or season.
Also, if you have updated the definition, why is the wrong definition still on an official JW site?
Lastly could you please link to the updated definition on a JW site?

Take the definition that's PRACTICAL so you can point out the example of what you're saying not when you interpret something and discovered that it's not working out then you stick to it as if you're God who inspired the writers.
Ọmọ that's the work of God's Holy Spirit it will help you when you make mistakes in your understanding.
God's word says:
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.2 Corinthians 3:6

So if you stick to what JWs teaches you're right but you're wrong when it's not working out as expected.

tctrills:
Please answer the question, was the un-updated definition wrong? And what year did you guys realize you have been wrong all this time and decide to update?
This shows that so many things in your belief need to be updated. Or are you guys done updating?

God's word is perfect it's humans trying to gain insight that are imperfect so if what you concluded is not working out as expected that simply means the understanding was wrong an update is needed!

MaxInDHouse:
Take the definition that's PRACTICAL so you can point out the example of what you're saying not when you interpret something and discovered that it's not working out then you stick to it as if you're God who inspired the writers.
Ọmọ that's the work of God's Holy Spirit it will help you when you make mistakes in your understanding.
God's word says:
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.2 Corinthians 3:6

So if you stick to what JWs teaches you're right but you're wrong when it's not working out as expected.

wow so for years the JW was giving definitions that were not practical. I see.
I hope you realize that from now on, no one should believe anything from the JW because we can't tell when you would switch to another definition.
Anyway, it's that one day, you guys will finally update till you reach the truth.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word is perfect it's humans trying to gain insight that are imperfect so if what you concluded is not working out as expected that simply means the understanding was wrong an update is needed!

I love this, You finally agree that you depend on imperfect insights and interpretations. Now what makes you believe that your 2023 definitions are correct and final?
Maybe we should just wait for the JW 2025 definations

tctrills:
I just checked, and what I quoted was published in 200. That is not so long ago so before 2001 no JW member knew the meaning of poor in spirit. Millions of JW members have died thinking they were poor in spirit only for the definition to be different in 2023.
My question is, please what year did you update?

Guy there's no date that's too late for updating once we have found out that the understanding is not working out as God's word foretold we go back to the Bible to find out where we got it wrong.

Now pertaining to those that have died with the former understanding do you think Jews like God's prophets before Jesus' time who believe the Christ will take over world power immediately he comes have lost out?

For your information that's what all the prophets believe until John the baptist and the disciples of Jesus also had the same feelings not until Jesus told them something new!

tctrills:
wow so for years the JW was giving definitions that were not practical. I see.
I hope you realize that from now on, no one should believe anything from the JW because we can't tell when you would switch to another definition.
Anyway, it's that one day, you guys will finally update till you reach the truth.

As long as it's not working out as God's word foretold we will continue to go for updates until we're able to fulfil God's promise! Proverbs 4:18

tctrills:
I love this, You finally agree that you depend on imperfect insights and interpretations. Now what makes you believe that your 2023 definitions are correct and final?
Maybe we should just wait for the JW 2025 definations

The people teaching us aren't perfect neither are they inspired but one thing is certain:
You can not find a better performing group than their followers in what God said about His worshipers in the last days!

MaxInDHouse:
The people teaching us aren't perfect neither are they inspired but one thing is certain:
You can not find a better performing group than their followers in what God said about His worshipers in the last days!

You think you can't find a better group because your teachers have not yet updated that statement. One they they would tell you that you can find better organizations out there and you would accept

MaxInDHouse:
As long as it's not working out as God's word foretold we will continue to go for updates until we're able to fulfil God's promise! Proverbs 4:18

I like what you just said. You guys are based on trial and error.
You don't care about the truth and you are not led by God's inspiration.
In short, you are a manmade guesswork organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy there's no date that's too late for updating once we have found out that the understanding is not working out as God's word foretold we go back to the Bible to find out where we got it wrong.

Now pertaining to those that have died with the former understanding do you think Jews like God's prophets before Jesus' time who believe the Christ will take over world power immediately he comes have lost out?

For your information that's what all the prophets believe until John the baptist and the disciples of Jesus also had the same feelings not until Jesus told them something new!

The prophets were not wrong, Christ would take over world powers

tctrills:
You think you can't find a better group because your teachers have not yet updated that statement. One they they would tell you that you can find better organizations out there and you would accept

Ọmọ you need to understand the heritage of God's people.

Our understanding of God's word has never been black and white what is certain is God's plan to make the earth a Paradise that is what all servants of God from Abraham believe till today so even though we don't know how far it will be or turn out we are sure that Paradise will be here on earth where God's people began having issues is when Jesus said our government house will no longer be Jerusalem as proposed! John 14:1-3