Baatunde:
I try to avoid insults and that's why I have said you are the ignorant one but perhaps I should have called you the FOOL that you really are Uncle. Who is actually contradicting himself here now! I am talking about present time and this current crop of Zionist Jews who have refused to believe in your Messiah and I have asked you a simple question... what is the status of this current crop of Zionist Jews with your God are they still favoured or not and if they die today without believing in your messiah what is their fate and you are talking about a covenant to be fulfilled in the future, when the Jews would be redeemed. What happens to them now Uncle, are they favoured even now or not? It appears you have yourself agreed that the present day Jews whom you so much love and call " Your brothers" might be heading for hell fire since they have not accepted your Christ and that is the whole point of this argument. Lets not even talk about the books of fiction you attribute to God because the Book of Romans you are quoting was written by Paul the impostors who was rightly beheaded as the false prophet he was, and these are not the words of Jesus.

In summary, only you lots blinded by reality failed to see anything wrong in the actions of the Zionists because you said they are favoured and so they can do whatever they like. The remaining sane people in the whole world including Europe and America have marched in multitudes of protests in support of the Palestinian people NOT in support of Islam because this aggression, land usurpation and oppression of a free people in this modern day cannot be justified by the fictional words of a racist and vengeful God who authorised his "chosen people" to murder and massacre other people to take their land when he could have just provided them a brand new virgin land

Baatunde:
Who gave you your certificate of theology because you need to return it to them, you said Al Aqsa is the abomination prophesied in Mark 13, now read verse 30

30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Can you see how you have failed? all that Jesus was supposed to be talking about should have happened in his GENERATION

As for the Prophecy of Daniel you have quoted how does that transl;ate to a future event. Most Bible commentaries have placed this event in the past. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city (Ezra 7:6-10; Ezra 9:9).

I shall not waste too much time with you because even the Bible you read you don't understand it, you try and juxtapose past events with current and future happenings.

Baatunde:
There is really not a lot one can say to folks who believe that God can bless someone who fraudulently obtained his fathers blessing. Only inn the Bible would you read of ridiculous events like that....Jacob, the forebearer of the Israelites actually connived with his mother to fraudulently obtain the blessing that his father meant for his brother and that is even after he had conned his brother out of his birthright. This shady person is the one that was blessed by your God despite all this detestable act and whose offspring your God has "chosen" as his special people. Only the God in the Bible can do that and yet we blame Yahoo boys for obtaining by deceit?
Why should one be surprised about any of this anyway, is it not the same God of the Bible that "REGRETTED and was PAINED" for creating man, the same God that RESTED AND REFRESH after the 'hard work' of creation,

OLAADEGBU:


Netanyahu said the fight against Hamas would continue till the militant group was eliminated.

Baatunde:
Who gave you your certificate of theology because you need to return it to them, you said Al Aqsa is the abomination prophesied in Mark 13, now read verse 30

30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Can you see how you have failed? all that Jesus was supposed to be talking about should have happened in his GENERATION

As for the Prophecy of Daniel you have quoted how does that transl;ate to a future event. Most Bible commentaries have placed this event in the past. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city (Ezra 7:6-10; Ezra 9:9).

I shall not waste too much time with you because even the Bible you read you don't understand it, you try and juxtapose past events with current and future happenings.

gaskiyamagana:

With your Western support why have not finished the elimination?

smokinloud:

there's something they call international humanitarian laws(laws of war) that allows Israel to transfer the war to generations instead of eliminating the Arabs once and for all

gaskiyamagana:

Just as anger of Allah will endure with present and transfer to the yet to be born generation of murderous Israel.

orohbirodeysmel:
Okay. If Israel need help in terms of new soldiers for the Frontline; they should not fail to reach out to me and many of us ...

Personally I want go fight alongside Israel...when they were fighting during the Biblical times, dem never born me then, I for join them

tunwumi:
Be ni tie ri


The cost of war is not cheap but Hamas gave netanyahu the opportunity to express and implement the genocide intent in him. Israel will only consider scaling down when the casualty is half a million or getting to a million. This war will last for a decade.

smokinloud:

Stop drinking camel urine ser. You said the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled in 457BC yet you made mention that Jesus said it shall be fulfilled in his generation. Did Jesus live in 457 BC?!. Provide evidence that Jesus lived at the time of Artaxerxe in 457 BC. You are just too dulll. Jesus that lived as a human in the antiquity period( around 4BC-33AD precisely). Mumu boy

you have to pick one, did the prophecy get fulfilled before Jesus was born(457BC) or during the generation of Jesus?!.

I see you know nothing. Na to do copy and paste full your head. I blame myself for engaging you sef. Ibn mutah

Eneye4me:
Ur family will make up the number.

smokinloud:


Ewu!.

You've shifted the goal post to the modern day Jews ?. .

The Y chromosome of most Ashkenazi(Europeans Jews) and Sephardi(African Jews) Jews contains mutations that are common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population, according to a study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome by geneticists namely; Michael Hammer, Harry Ostrer and others, published in 2000. According to Hammer et al. this suggests that the paternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East.

In Ashkenazi (and Sephardi) Jews, the most common paternal lineages generally are E1b1b, J2, and J1, with others found at lesser rates. meaning they are paternally related to Palestinian Jews. Nb: The Jews are the real Palestinians. Arabs are just tenants of Ottoman. Palestine is a Hebrew word, a secular name given to the Jews by the Romans some 500 years before the birth of Muhammed

Source: wikipedia

secondly, the Palestinian Jews accept Jews in diaspora as brothers and you are not the one to decide who the Palestinian Jews accept as citizens. They've never segregated amongst themselves
one more, Israel has never fought an offensive war in modern history, you can make your research, they are always fighting to defend themselves from attacks from the Arabs. So it's the Arabs who are the wicked souls as they never stop war even amongst themselves and it took USA for peace to exist in Mecca; Yemen would have wiped them out. And also Kuwait, UAE, and other peaceful Arab countries buy the Jews never fought themselves
God doesn't do partial. Whoever doesn't accept christ for remission of sin will die in Hell including the Jews

Jesus didn't write any book it was is disciples that wrote books. So if you are looking for what Jesus wrote you'd never find it. It's ahistorical. The disciples accepted Paul, the early church fathers accepted him, Christians generally accept him. Early muslims scholars and historians like Ibn Kathir and Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham, Al-Tabari etc all confirmed that Paul was sent by Allah

forget about the bible can you tell me any historical writing or any historical figure that make claim that the Jews are not the owner of Palestine?!. If you would argue, argue with fact stop crying like a cry baby

smokinloud:


You are a camel urine drinker ser!.

God didn't bless Jacob because he fraudulently took Esua's blessings. God has blessed Jacob from the time his mother conceived him.

Genesis 25:23-26
[23]And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
[24]And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
[25]And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
[26]And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

the birthright fraud was just the humanly way of confirming God's blessings not the cause of God's covenant

go and study the term "anthropomorphism" and how Judaism used it in their religion" before we can start the discussion of how God rested, regretted or is pained. Don't be an ignorant. I won't spoon-feed you

smokinloud:


why acting like a foooool?!. Why quoting the covenant that YHWH was so concerned about Israel for me to tackle my point that God has Israel in his messianic mission?!. Ain't you a foooool contradicting himself?!.
Whoever accept Jesus is saved whether Jews or non-Jews but a time is coming when the Jews will generally accept christ as the messiah when the time of the gentiles has come to fulness

Romans 11:25-27
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The covenant is what we Christians preach which is the blood of Jesus to save sinners to God and make us EQUAL with God

smokinloud:

No, Allah said it in his revelation that he gave the land to the Jews till the judgement day and the Arabs are the rebels according to Allah.
Surah:17:104; M١٠٤ وَقُلْنَا مِنْ بَعْدِهِ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اسْكُنُوا الْأَرْضَ فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ الْآخِرَةِ جِئْنَا بِكُمْ لَفِيفًا104 After him, We said to the Children of Israel, “Inhabit the land, and when the promise of the Hereafter arrives, We will bring you all together.”

Eneye4me:
U need to the taken to psychiatric for mental care because U a mad. Slave.

Baatunde:
So this is your understanding of what you quoted there.... I can't blame you lots, your own Bible alone you are reading you still cannot comprehend.......

Baatunde:


See this mumu , he wants to be EQUAL with GOD.... I swear you lots have absolutely no idea of what God is

Baatunde:
The best your God can do is to authorize "fraud" to confirm his blessing. I wonder which kind of God you people have in your Bible, he appears to be clueless and no wonder he need to drink his own son's blood because he could forgive Adam

Baatunde:
I swear to God you are either very dumb or you are playing stupid but I sincerely think you are very dumb. Honestly I do not like insulting people on social media and I have condemned others for it but your case is beyond redemption. You gave two prophecies one from the Book of Mark and another from the book of Daniel and my responses were very clear to each, but it appears your brain find it too much to process. Go back and read my responses, I told you that what you were quoting from the book of Mark was supposed to have happened in the generation of Jesus


" As for the Prophecy of Daniel you have quoted how does that transl;ate to a future event. Most Bible commentaries have placed this event in the past. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city (Ezra 7:6-10; Ezra 9:9)"

This was my separate responses to the two prophecies you have quoted but you dull brain was not able to distinguish the two as separate and you just decided to bunch them together. I am really and sincerely sorry for you, please comment on social media if only you have the mental capacity to make sensible observations. Waaoh of all the dumb people I have being ion contact with on this Nairaland , your dumbness is top notch

Baatunde:


See this mumu , he wants to be EQUAL with GOD.... I swear you lots have absolutely no idea of what God is

Baatunde:
Dont get me started on who wrote the Bible because the earliest book of the New Testament was not written until at least six decades after Jesus supposedly died and since you like Wikipedia so much go and read about it from here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible#:~:text=Internal%20evidence%20within%20the%20texts,Thessalonians%2C%20written%20around%2050%20CE.

Also, who told you that the Matthew for instance wrote the Book of Mathew, what is your evidence for that because if Matthew wrote the book , would he have written

9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
(Matthew 9:9-10)

Why would the writer of a book supposedly dictated by God write in a third person unless the book was written by others. And what about the contradiction in the genealogy of Jesus between Matthew and Luke which you people have never been able to reconcile for millennia.

You said the Palestinian Jews accepted their fellow Jews in Diaspora and so whats anybody'd hassles with that? You see the problem is that pre-1948 the Jews living in Palestine were a minority who had no authority to grant land to anyone excpet what they legally possessed, but the British forcefully carved out Israel from the land of the Palestinian Christain and Muslims and forced and massacred their way to take control of the lands, go and read about the Nakba and how the state of Israel was established and you wont be asking me question about when has Israel conducted war of aggression.

As for Paul the impostor, you said everyone accepted him, oh that's probably why he constantly fought with Peter whom Jesus supposedly said would be the rock upon which his mission would stand and also Barnabas who were both APPOINTED by Jesus himself according to your story book called Bible. All of Paul's narration of his so called meeting with Jesus was filled with contradictions and lies

At Acts 9:3-8, Paul was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in the city. His men did not see the light, but heard the voice. They remained standing.

At Acts 22:6-11, Paul told the people he was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who again told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in Damascus. This time, his men saw the light but, unlike Paul, were not blinded, and did not hear the voice.


At Acts 26.13-19, Paul told Agrippa that he saw a brilliant light and heard Jesus, who gave him his mission, but did not command him to go to Damascus. He fell down, but there is no mention of blindness, nor is there any mention of the men seeing or hearing anything, although for some reason they also fell down. He told those at Damascus and Jerusalem about his conversion experience.


Which of the three account is correct. Anyways Paul has made it the poitn of his theology to contradict and oppose Jesus's supposed sayings at every turn and that was why he was eventually beheaded as the false Prophet he was, as fulfilment of Deuteronomy 18: 20 "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’
Can you quote me the books and page number of those Muslim scholars who said Paul was sent by Allah...... laughable

AS for the proof you have asked for about the ownership of Palestine, I have quoted several times in may threads that the land presently called Palestine was not virgin or empty when your racist God decided to seize it violently and give it to the Israelite, there were the Canaanites, Girgashite, Amorites already living and flourishing on the land. In modern day , you don't claim ownership of land based on the historical promise of one God in books written by obscure people. The Jews have not lived and control the land for over a millenium until the state of Israel was established in 1948. If that was to be the case, then you should tell the White Evangelical Christian nation of USA to evacuate and leave everywhere to the Native Indians who originally owned the land before the Pilgrim Fathers killed and plundered their way towards establishing their nation.

You see , simple we do not believe that God is the one talking in your Bible, so we cannot accept that as evidence of giving other people's land to his "beloved" Which kind of "God" gives this instruction -
The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God . They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) Is this the God whose word you are using as evidence? No way

Baatunde:


Can you quote me the books and page number of those Muslim scholars who said Paul was sent by Allah...... laughable

hammed71:
Religious people are some of the dumbest people I have ever seen displaying affection for the foreign gods their slave masters came to force on them in order to colonize them believing in the history books of some certain people. Africans still have a long way to go.

smokinloud:

You are a goa.t mehhhh.

Do you think you're having this discourse with a twa.t?!.

17.104 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And We said unto the Children of Israel after him) after his destruction: (Dwell in the land) the land of Jordan and Palestine; (but when the promise of the Hereafter) when resurrection after death; and it is also said that this means: when Jesus son of Mary descends (cometh to pass we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.)
That's tafsir Ibn Abbas

I challenge you to bring any tafsir that say otherwise. You can't even play taqiyya on me because I have the knowledge of Islam than your imam

smokinloud:


[b]Al-Qurtubi in his tafsir of surah 61:14 said Paul was amongst the disciples of Jesus Christ sent by allah
He was quoting Ibn Ishaq; the earliest islamic work

smokinloud:

if you studied literature you'd have known that there's no crime in writing in third person point of view or having scribes to write for you, moreover the disciples were still very much around when Matthew and other gospels were written and nobody objected its veracity.
they've deceived you a lot. The Jews lived not just as minority but as dhimmi (second class city) "aboki" under the Arabs. The Arabs on the land of Palestine were tenants of the Ottoman. The Ottoman were Turkish Islamists.
The land was bought from the land owners by the Zionists. Make research and stop crying like a cry babe

I would have replied you on Paul but you didn't quote biblical verse and I can't be disputing what you didn't support with biblical Quotations. Quote out the verses and let me teach you the bible

the funny thing is that allah claimed he was the God that chased the people out of the land for the Jews in the Quran.

Surah 5:20-26 Picktall translation:
And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk.


The Jews lived on their land and the Arabs Palestinians lived there too but the land was controlled by the Ottoman until Britain defeat them. None of the Jews or Arab Palestinians control the land prior to 1948

Baatunde:
Go a bit back before the Ottomans sir, the Byzantine were also in charge of Palestine for many centuries an d the Jews were still a minority in this period. True the Zionist bought some land but over 70% of what constitutes the present state of Israel were forcibly seized from the remaining Palestinians ( Christians and Muslims) during the Nakba from about 1949.

Even when the UN have settled the matter of East Jerusalem and West Bank, did Israel comply? Modern day ownership of land is not determined by an historical promise in a ' book of God'

Resolution 298: September 25, 1971, confirmed in “the clearest possible terms” that all actions taken by Israel to change the status of Jerusalem, such as land confiscation, were illegal.

Resolution 465: March 1, 1980, demanded Israel to stop the planning and construction of settlements in territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem. It also called on Israel to “dismantle the existing settlements”.
Are you aware of the Western Wall Decree of 1931 confirming the ownership of the Wailing Wall of the Temple to the Muslims after successfully proving their case with the International Court of Justice (ICJ)? This is how things are done in modern times as we are no longer in the era of might is right

https://ecf.org.il/issues/issue/1412

As for Paul, below is what I have presented from your Bible about the contradictions in the narration of his conversion


At Acts 9:3-8, Paul was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in the city. His men did not see the light, but heard the voice. They remained standing.

At Acts 22:6-11, Paul told the people he was blinded by a light and fell down, then heard Jesus, who again told Paul that he would be told what to do when he was in Damascus. This time, his men saw the light but, unlike Paul, were not blinded, and did not hear the voice to go to Damascus. He fell down, but there is no mention of blindness, nor is there any mention of the men seeing or hearing anything, although for some reason they also fell down. He told those at Damascus and Jerusalem about his conversion experience.So can you reconcile it for me thanks?

And If Jesus really sent Paul why did he dedicate all his energy to continue thwarting Jesus's messages, for instance Jesus said he has not come to destroy the law but to fufill it, Paul says you are no longer under the law. Paul was bold enough to ask that you leave the elementary doctrines of Jesus and apply common sense ( even though others think Paul might not be the author, leaving us again the issue of the anonymity of writers)

Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
Hebrews 6:1

Baatunde:
I am confused here please help me out, you mentioned Qurtubi but you have quoted Ibn Ishaq, in any case Qurtubi merely mentioned that PAul was a companion of Peter and that did not make him an appointed Apostle excpet self-appointed anyways through lie and deceit as I have shown from the story of his supposed conversion.

Anyways, I am well aware of your reference it is from Sam Shanoun and I want to lift something from the tafsir that Sam was trying to quote and you will tell me what your take is on that

Noted Muslim commentator Ibn Kathir’s statements are most interesting. Commenting on S. 3:55, he writes:

"This is what happened. When Allah raised ‘Isa to heaven, his followers divided into sects and groups. Some of them believed in what Allah sent ‘Isa as, a servant of Allah, His Messenger, and the son of His female-servant.

However, some of them went to the extreme over ‘Isa, believing that he was the son of Allah. Some of them said that ‘Isa was Allah Himself, while others said that he was one of a Trinity. Allah mentioned these false creeds in the Qur’an and refuted them. The Christians remained like this until the third century CE, when a Greek king called, Constantine, became a Christian for the purpose of destroying Christianity. Constantine was either a philosopher, or he was just plain ignorant. Constantine changed the religion of ‘Isa by adding to it and deleting from it. He established the rituals of Christianity and the so-called Great Trust which is in fact the Great Treachery. He also allowed them to eat the meat of swine, changed the direction of the prayer that ‘Isa established to the east, built churches for ‘Isa, and added ten days to the fast as compensation for a sin that he committed, as claimed. So the religion of ‘Isa became the religion of Constantine, who built more than twelve thousand churches, temples and monasteries for the Christians as well as the city that bears his name, Constantinople (Istanbul). THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, the Christians had the upper hand and dominated the Jews. ALLAH AIDED THEM AGAINST THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE CLOSER TO THE TRUTH THAN THE JEWS, even though both groups were and still are disbelievers, may Allah’s curse descend on them." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 2, Parts 3, 4, & 5 (Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253, to Surat An-Nisa, Verse 147), abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors Riyadh, Houston, New York, Lahore; First Edition: March 2000], p. 171; bold and capital emphasis ours; cf. online edition)[/b]

IF you want I can send you the whole works of Sam Shanoun on this and instead of lifting pieces from it, you can read the whole lot and convince yourself if has made any valid point. The confused guy was just jumping from tafsir to tafsir trying to pick what suits him

Baatunde:

IF you want I can send you the whole works of Sam Shanoun on this and instead of lifting pieces from it, you can read the whole lot and convince yourself if has made any valid point. The confused guy was just jumping from tafsir to tafsir trying to pick what suits him