fergie001:


SOURCE

Previous Thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/7948422/pope-approves-blessings-same-sex-couples

You go explain tire.

Ajmoziz:

Okay here I have handed you what the Pope said,easily accessible if you look.
Now who is peddling wrong information
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html#

Hallo, I know exactly what he said. But like I stated you need to look closely at what the Pope spoke about. If it's still unclear to you, then look at the last sentence where he stated something about church grounds and what not.

Ubenedictus:


It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.

5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.

Yep, thereabout close to the general meaning of things. Yes, the church has the right to bless whoever the want, wherever they want. But the catholic doctirnes doesn't support homosexualism and hence they can't directly show support for it cos it goes against those doctirnes. And the Pope stated that as such in the last paragraph of that statement. Why people misunderstood that baffles me.

Ubenedictus:

The pic is authentic.
Yes the pope said the blessing of people who are irregular couple should not be liturgical, it should not be done in a place, with gestures, or vestments or signs or anything that will make people confuse it for a marriage or scandalise people.
It should be a spontanous blessing

Exactly and that is why when I see statements like on this thread, I ask if people even understand what was said before they start arguing.
Very well said, bravo!

Sprints3:
What the pope said is not bad, even God will not be angry at his deposition. He said no one is devoid of blessing, and stated he is not approving same sex marriages but sinners also deserves blessing from God. But the so called media outlets will rebrand the headings and make it easier. God created humans as beings with free will be wateva u want even the greatest sin is not sodomy but pride and too much knowledge. That was why he banished Adam and eve from garden of eden now Persia/iraq. They ate tree of life exposing God' powers and abilities...

Good point, it amazes me how myopic some so called Christians are and thinks.

He causes the rain and sun to shine both on the sinners and believers but so call Christians religious Pharisees thinks their mortal blessings coming from their smelling breath and mouth are more superior.

He blesses both the sinners and believers with good health but Christian zealots thinks they should be in poor health and lack peace until they repent.

He commanded that the weeds and the seeds should be left alone to grow together until the harvest day, but His followers would not want any of those nonsense commands, they would rather uproot the weeds and throw them away right now.

They only want to bless those who blessed them or who are the same as them, and don’t mind that they are contradicting the word of God that says, if they bless only those who bless them, of what use are they that even sinners did the same.

Christians are usurping the power of the Holy Spirit. It is only the Holy Spirit that can convict anyone of sin and bring them to repentance all we can do is preach until then, the Bible commands us to love our neighbors as our selves.

Our neighbors include sinners, gay, etc and if we love them as we love ourselves we will want them to be blessed just like we all want ourselves to be blessed.

Jesus loved us, blessed us and died for us even when we were still sinner and abominable, extend a little of that same unmerited favor aka Grace to your fellow human being that you already adjoined to be a ‘sinner’…..be Christ-Like.

Ajmoziz:


Ohhh okay, okay , now I get what you mean,when you talked about

Now to the crux of the matter, I am not dodging anything, I am asking you to read, ehhh,just read, I know it's a long article,but read.
There are questions you will ask that I know you didn't read the article, read the article, simple!!!, It's as simple as that
The article explains everything, it explains what it means when a person comes to a priest asking for blessings and it explains what the actions of a priest being a shepherd of the church , a church who welcomes should do.
So like I said,just read

I already read it ... and quoted the relevant part to show the Rev was not aware of what was said.... misinterpreted what was said or lied to the congregation.

Ajmoziz:

Pope's statement
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html#

... It's presentation shows a possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations and sex same couples.


What more do u need to understand there?

It's like u don't get my point; same sex couples need counselling, mental evaluation, God's mercies and forgiveness and deliverance.


Not blessings

Ajmoziz:

Pope's statement
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html#

It's presentation shows a possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations and sex same couples.


What more do u need to understand there?

It's like u don't get my point; same sex couples need counselling, mental evaluation, God's mercies and forgiveness and deliverance.


Not blessings.
Shall they continue sinning so Grace may abound?

In short, once u see same sex couples, the right thing is to tell them that it's unnatural.
The more u make them feel at home, the more people out there will also turn gays

Ajmoziz:

Yes, I see you want to engage in some conversation about this

Have a read here and then come back, everything you need to understand is explained

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html#

It's presentation shows a possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations and sex same couples.


What more do u need to understand there?

It's like u don't get my point; same sex couples need counselling, mental evaluation, God's mercies and forgiveness and deliverance.


Not blessings.
Shall they continue sinning so Grace may abound?

In short, once u see same sex couples, the right thing is to tell them that it's unnatural.
The more u make them feel at home, the more people out there will also turn gays.



No one is born gay. There is nothing in genetics, or molecular or evolution wise that has shown that one can be gay frm birth.
It's unnatural and evil.

Man was made for woman and vice versa.

linearity:


Good point, it amazes me how myopic some so called Christians are and thinks.

He causes the rain and sun to shine both on the sinners and believers but so call Christians religious Pharisees thinks their mortal blessings coming from their smelling breath and mouth are more superior.

He blesses both the sinners and believers with good health but Christian zealots thinks they should be in poor health and lack peace until they repent.

He commanded that the weeds and the seeds should be left alone to grow together until the harvest day, but His followers would not want any of those nonsense commands, they would rather uproot the weeds and throw them away right now.

They only want to bless those who blessed them or who are the same as them, and don’t mind that they are contradicting the word of God that says, if they bless only those who bless them, of what use are they that even sinners did the same.

Christians are usurping the power of the Holy Spirit. It is only the Holy Spirit that can convict anyone of sin and bring them to repentance all we can do is preach until then, the Bible commands us to love our neighbors as our selves.

Our neighbors include sinners, gay, etc and if we love them as we love ourselves we will want them to be blessed just like we all want ourselves to be blessed.

Jesus loved us, blessed us and died for us even when we were still sinner and abominable, extend a little of that same unmerited favor aka Grace to your fellow human being that you already adjoined to be a ‘sinner’…..be Christ-Like.

God bless you

blowjohn:






It's presentation shows a possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations and sex same couples.


What more do u need to understand there?

It's like u don't get my point; same sex couples need counselling, mental evaluation, God's mercies and forgiveness and deliverance.


Not blessings.
Shall they continue sinning so Grace may abound?

In short, once u see same sex couples, the right thing is to tell them that it's unnatural.
The more u make them feel at home, the more people out there will also turn gays.



No one is born gay. There is nothing in genetics, or molecular or evolution wise that has shown that one can be gay frm birth.
It's unnatural and evil.

Man was made for woman and vice versa.

Guyyyy, read the article,I will know if you read the article,its soooo obvious because article is that comprehensive.
There is nothing to argue ,all points are addressed, read the Pope statement.

blowjohn:




It's presentation shows a possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations and sex same couples.


What more do u need to understand there?

It's like u don't get my point; same sex couples need counselling, mental evaluation, God's mercies and forgiveness and deliverance.


Not blessings.
Shall they continue sinning so Grace may abound?

In short, once u see same sex couples, the right thing is to tell them that it's unnatural.
The more u make them feel at home, the more [sup][/sup]people out there will also turn gays

The beautiful thing about the pope's statement is that it is sooooo comprehensive that I can tell that you have not read the statement. Go back and read it and learn, okay, the statement will not hurt you if you read from beginning to enddd
Just so you know, I can tell if you have read it based on your responses!!!!

Originalsly:

I already read it ... and quoted the relevant part to show the Rev was not aware of what was said.... misinterpreted what was said or lied to the congregation.

No you did not read it,see ehhhh, it's painfully obvious you didn't read it because your statement was covered extensively in the Pope statement.its an extensive document .
Read from beginning to end ,okay, it will help

buygala:


If you Catholics believe this merry go round of an explanation, then y'all are more brainwashed than I thought


Blessing same sex couples without "officially validating it"... What kind of double-speak is that? ...

Or maybe we should take it that Blessing in this context means "unofficial validation" which still boils down to validation

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You never start the article, there is more , everything is explained,you haven't even started, dont be scared,read from beginning to end

Fighttillvictory:

good content but just as blessing comes in many form, our pope did'nt classify. When the bible told us about JESUS and the number of people he feed with 5 loaf and 2 fish, it said that He blessed the food not that he did any liturgical rite and it multiplied. So here our pope is telling the church to bless them so they can multiply.
and about my previous post i was telling the guy that the church will not divide because of a damn pope so i dont see how the devil will use me

The Pope didnt do what
You have not read the statement,have you? It's painfully obvious.
You see this you are saying what covered in the pope's statement, go and read it. I can tell who read it by the statements you use

buygala:


If you Catholics believe this merry go round of an explanation, then y'all are more brainwashed than I thought


Blessing same sex couples without "officially validating it"... What kind of double-speak is that? ...

Or maybe we should take it that Blessing in this context means "unofficial validation" which still boils down to validation

You haven't even started reading sef, theres more ohhh

FreeIgboho:
Strange that only an archbishop in extremely anti-gay African country is saying the pope was misquoted

They have allowed Jews the confuse them. Imagine what Christianity has been turned into?

Ajmoziz:


The beautiful thing about the pope's statement is that it is sooooo comprehensive that I can tell that you have not read the statement. Go back and read it and learn, okay, the statement will not hurt you if you read from beginning to enddd
Just so you know, I can tell if you have read it based on your responses!!!!

Look, I read the introduction.
Non of all these circulars are needed.
These people are not congenitally abnormal.
They went frm normal to abnormal.


It's like releasing a circular for issues related to murderers.


Why do u think being openly gay carries punishments and sentences in many countries?


It's abnormal to a society or nation.


U that has read the full thing, is there anywhere gay lifestyle or gay couples is condemned?

Ajmoziz:


Guyyyy, read the article,I will know if you read the article,its soooo obvious because article is that comprehensive.
There is nothing to argue ,all points are addressed, read the Pope statement.

Oga, if ur Pope cannot come out to condemn gay couples ( not humanity) but the abnormality then forget it.


Pastors are condemning it in its totality ur here telling me to read a psychological article aimed at pretense.


I already pointed out the part in the introduction where it may be possible to bless people in such forms.

blowjohn:



Oga, if ur Pope cannot come out to condemn gay couples ( not humanity) but the abnormality then forget it.


Pastors are condemning it in its totality ur here telling me to read a psychological article aimed at pretense.


I already pointed out the part in the introduction where it may be possible to bless people in such forms.

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No,no,no Oga, chairman, we are here because you guys were acting like such experts on what the Pope has said and challenging Archbishop Kaigama.
Now we have given you the document, and have told you to read, you now want to escape,it's a lie ohhhh,you must finish the article and be enlightened. Keep reading,you will realise there are more things to learn including what you are saying he didn't condemn.
You have not started,see where you are,please read on ,okayyyu

blowjohn:




Look, I read the introduction.
Non of all these circulars are needed.
These people are not congenitally abnormal.
They went frm normal to abnormal.


It's like releasing a circular for issues related to murderers.


Why do u think being openly gay carries punishments and sentences in many countries?


It's abnormal to a society or nation.


U that has read the full thing, is there anywhere gay lifestyle or gay couples is condemned?

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No,no,no Oga, chairman, we are here because you guys were acting like such experts on what the Pope has said and challenging Archbishop Kaigama.
Now we have given you the document, and have told you to read, you now want to escape,it's a lie ohhhh,you must finish the article and be enlightened. Keep reading,you will realise there are more things to learn including what you are saying he didn't condemn

Ajmoziz:
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No,no,no Oga, chairman, we are here because you guys were acting like such experts on what the Pope has said and challenging Archbishop Kaigama.
Now we have given you the document, and have told you to read, you now want to escape,it's a lie ohhhh,you must finish the article and be enlightened. Keep reading,you will realise there are more things to learn including what you are saying he didn't condemn

Ur on ur own

Ajmoziz:


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No,no,no Oga, chairman, we are here because you guys were acting like such experts on what the Pope has said and challenging Archbishop Kaigama.
Now we have given you the document, and have told you to read, you now want to escape,it's a lie ohhhh,you must finish the article and be enlightened. Keep reading,you will realise there are more things to learn including what you are saying he didn't condemn.
You have not started,see where you are,please read on ,okayyyu

Nothing to read more. U guys are with the gays

bitbillionaire:


You can continue but I will still need to know what the pope actually said.

Th quote I gave you is directly from what the pope said.
He said the church does not have the power to bless any same sex union or marriage, However, Jesus is God's blessing to us while we were still sinners and that tells us that sinners can be blessed without blessing the sins or sinful relationship.
Therefore if people in a sinful relationship come to a priest and say Fr. bless me, the priest should always be willing to open his hands and grant a blessing, just as any sinner can receive a blessing. however, that blessing is also a request to God to heal those people and give them the grace to live according to his will. That blessing can also be an opportunity to preach to them.
However, the blessing should not occur with any sign, gesture, vestment, place or word that will make people think that the sinful relationship is being blessed.


you can read the full document

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html

ariesbull:
i am a catholic ....and I domt support this madness

Whaat madness do you not support biko, let me hear it?
Is it today that priest started to bless sinners?
Do fornicators and adulterers not go to priests for blessing for good health and get blessed?
why the sudden cry because the sinners going for a blessing are gay people?

drnoel:


Exactly and that is why when I see statements like on this thread, I ask if people even understand what was said before they start arguing.
Very well said, bravo!

They did not read the document they are just talking rubbish

blowjohn:



Ok good. But in the article they said they can now bless same sex couples.
The issue here is 'couples'
If u bless same sex couples it means ur blessing their relationship. It means they are ok with or condone same sex couples.


These are people that need psychiatric and psychological evaluations, management and treatment, as well as prayers of deliverance, instead of blessings

You won't be asking all these questions if you actually read the document, because all of these points were well explained

There is no issue with the word "couples" because the first part of what the pope said is that the church does not have the power to bless same sex union because it is against Gods will, it is only the people who are blessed. The relationship is sinful and the blessing is to ask God to heal them.

Even a prayer for deliverance is a blessing, in fact the simple prayer "may the lord bless you and keep you" is a blessing, it is an invocation of God's grace on people. "May the Lord deliver you" is also a blessing as most invocations of God's grace upon people are blessings.

And the blessing the priest should ask for the same sex people is the grace of healing and the grace to follow the will of God which is man and woman exclusive union.

blowjohn:



Everyone recognizes that he or she is a sinner.
There are many sins. If one is a thief or murderer, that means he or she shud go for prayer of Grace? What happened to prayer of forgiveness, and deliverance?

By the way, are they not aware that same sex couples need psychiatric, psychological evaluation, management, as well as deliverance?

How does a gay live more according to God's will if he doesn't turn away from being gay?
Same thing as a murderer turning away from killing people.

In fact a prayer for forgiveness is a blessing. When catholics go to request a prayer for forgiveness they begin with "bless me for I have sinned.
Again all of this was well explained in the document if you had read it you won't be asking all this.

The document stated clearly that God's will it for man and woman in exclusive union of marriage, anything apart from that is wrong.
So when a gay couple come for a blessing, it is an acknowledgement that they too are sinner and a request to they are making to God to grant them healing and the grace they need to live according to his will

it is a prayer for repentance for people who have started to feel the stirring of the holy spirit call them to conversion

blowjohn:




Nothing to read more. U guys are with the gays

Of course we are with people created in the image and likeness of God and our job is to help them on a journey to repentance. Jesus came for the sinners not the righteous. I am proudly with the gays just as Jesus was with the prostitutes and tax collectors of his time

Fighttillvictory:

good content but just as blessing comes in many form, our pope did'nt classify. When the bible told us about JESUS and the number of people he feed with 5 loaf and 2 fish, it said that He blessed the food not that he did any liturgical rite and it multiplied. So here our pope is telling the church to bless them so they can multiply.
and about my previous post i was telling the guy that the church will not divide because of a damn pope so i dont see how the devil will use me

Actually the document was not written by the pope, it was written by Cardinal Fernandez in charge of doctrine at the vatican and the pope approved it.
and the document actually specifies the time of blessings to be given, a blessing for healing, that what is good in their life be enriched and that God helps them with grace to conform the lives to his will AKA repentance. The document clearly said that same sex sexual stuff is unacceptable and the church cannot bless their union, so it is certainly not a blessing to "multiply".

Oga all these things were addressed in the document, if you bother to read it.

Even the man who wrote the document when he saw the funny interpretation from people who refused to read, had to come out and clarify again, weytin human beings want. The document is there, read it

blowjohn:



Oga, if ur Pope cannot come out to condemn gay couples ( not humanity) but the abnormality then forget it.


Pastors are condemning it in its totality ur here telling me to read a psychological article aimed at pretense.


I already pointed out the part in the introduction where it may be possible to bless people in such forms.

The pope and tha catholic chuch alread condemns homosexual sexual actions and relationships, what more do you want?