mostob:
Saying what exactly? Did they criticize Havertz for his poor performance? Yes. Was there a little variation to how we play? Yes. Was the variation because of Havertz? Na you go answer this one o. Maybe you can remind me.

Yaff jump from me talking about change of style to criticizing Kai. Chai!!

And you're still admitting there was a change again. Spy is that you? Return Mostob phone abeg😆😆😆😆


Without even legends or pundits saying so, many admit that Xhaka departure has contributed to Nelli downgrade and Kai is not at that level to improve that or make that any better, asides Nelli's own loss of form. This is not hard to see.

iamoyindamola:

But we know it won't change anything if una get martinelli

Let's do the exchange first. Leave the rest to us.

Jodera:
This team is so waaay off from last season. From the performance to the goals to the cohesion, it's just so bad. Only defence seems to even stand strong and even the defence sef is just the CBs.

How our attack is just toothless both from Midfield to the forward is just so so bad. Arteta is just mismanaging this season with his pragmatism (scoring first and trying to close shop). We should have continued like last season when we were all gun blazing. Now we're just the opposite.

Anytime I look at both tables from this season and last, I just deh shake my head

We are 9points from same 20games of last season and also a whooping 13goals behind. Me i sha know what im saying. A few days ago, the consolation was "we are still 2nd" now it is 4th. And even if we got same points with top 3, na GD go make us carry last still.


My flimsy excuse is fatigue dey. Make they sha rest. But I can't imagine no Yasu at backline. That White wing is 100% assured for opponents fluid attack that gives fans heart attack 😂

Zinny wing is just 200% for exposing Raya. Lol.


Everyone better wake up from their slumber. Abi some of us never ready to mentally compete with Pep and Klopp ni? 😤😭


Wakie!!!

Jodera:
Facts about the bolded!!!. That's what I noticed especially with my offline friends reason why I said the bar was set too too low for him. He has picked from his very very poor display he showed early season but if we look at even his improvement to this team, it's not that really high. Na that thing dey weak me, and na why if I see other forums/arsenal site, I see some commenters saying Havertz absence was the reason why we lost West ham, e deh shock me. Look at his game well and offensively his one of our weakest link.

We need improvement, we need change of structure and most importantly we need a Striker.

Arteta needs to involve his depth more.

For a team like Arsenal, till Kai gain that confidence, he no suppose dey guaranteed starters shirt. But this MA sacrificed alot to accommodate him. Kai himself is not the overall problem. It is this manager that is too blind to see the cost of that solitary decision. He thinks it is business as usual like the Ozil and Auba brouhaha that year?? Our expected shots again don drop.

As for that westham thing, i think it's high time some arsenal fans realize that managers are studying us and doing all to exploit obvious weaknesses and it is working. The westham game is not as painful as this Fulham loss. Why? Fulham were very direct and it got them their W.

For next 10games, we better anticipate teams replicating the sitting deep style. If MA doesn't react and does something to counter this setup before it happens, then our expected goals will reduce. Let's strike before they sit deep too. Must we always wait till they recover before we play ball??

daveP:
Yaff jump from me talking about change of style to criticizing Kai. Chai!!

And you're still admitting there was a change again. Spy is that you? Return Mostob phone abeg


Without even legends or pundits saying so, many admit that Xhaka departure has contributed to Nelli downgrade and Kai is not at that level to improve that or make that any better, asides Nelli's own loss of form. This is not hard to see.

You're saying something else. You clearly said Arteta changed the team's style in order to accommodate Havertz. And I asked you to prove it.

Yes, we have shuffled between 325 and 424 this season even when Trossard was played in midfield.

Havertz is not up to par. He has not really improved the team. Agreed.

Just tell us how Arteta changed the style to favour Havertz. Simple!

So Jota diving was a penalty
But jesus getting kicked against villa wasn't
This bastard pgmol have an agenda

Shegzdave:

This right here is what I’ve also noticed, instead of scoring goals, he’ll be trying to close close like this is Mourinho team.

I was discussing this with a fellow Arsenal fan and he was still defending Arteta on it and I asked why we keep doing something over and over again and expect results, cause even Me that Stan Arteta is beginning to give him a bombastic side eye🌚😂. Mehn, all I want for the team is to quickly gel up as we’re entering into the other half of the season.

Na the thing deh weak me with Arteta.
He just changed a winning formula at what was working.

The cohesion of last season was just gone, now we labour to play and we're very very conservative. No fast play or quick breaks. Something that we were very very good at last season. E just be like say we dey conserve energy for wetin I no just know.

Above all, we need a good striker. I just hope we don't slip further down the table

daveP:


For a team like Arsenal, till Kai gain that confidence, he no suppose dey guaranteed starters shirt. But this MA sacrificed alot to accommodate him. Kai himself is not the overall problem. It is this manager that is too blind to see the cost of that solitary decision. He thinks it is business as usual like the Ozil and Auba brouhaha that year?? Our expected shots again don drop.

As for that westham thing, i think it's high time some arsenal fans realize that managers are studying us and doing all to exploit obvious weaknesses and it is working. The westham game is not as painful as this Fulham loss. Why? Fulham were very direct and it got them their W.

For next 10games, we better anticipate teams replicating the sitting deep style. If MA doesn't react and does something to counter this setup before it happens, then our expected goals will reduce. Let's strike before they sit deep too. Must we always wait till they recover before we play ball??

True, for a team like Arsenal, Kai no suppose play him way to form. No be say he was one top player coming here.

The structure of our play is limiting most of our players. No triangle pass and move(unlike last season), no interpretation of half space movement (Xhaka and Odegaard were very good at this but Ode seems to have fallen off which points to the structure. Havertz no dey even attempt am sef). No counter or fast breaks.

Omorr, we downgraded this season and it's annoying

We have the players but injury is dealing with our bench.
I think our problem is the lack of flexibility in our playing structure and the fact that the players are mentally tired. The latter is evident with the way Gabriel and Rice were arguing and Martinelli ignoring handshake.

This is the same team that has been winning matches earlier this season. All I can say now is that they are mentally tired. Arteta needs to shake things up both on and off the field. And we need our subs back too. They should shake that injury off.

Jodera:
All these ones na wash you talk for the bolded.

Was that the bolded Xhaka was doing last and the season before that, that you claimed that it's how our LAM plays?

Everyone who watched West Ham game knows that Havertz wasn't missed cos we controlled the game instead it was chances missed(we even have 77 touches in their box).

And the game against Fulham proved so. Havertz is not a threat offensively in this team. Everybody knows that!!

Xhaka too played as a space controller. Havertz is younger and has time to learn. You will eat your words. Remember our argument between Lacazette and Nketiah? Or Jesus? I can spot talent and tactics 5miles away.

daveP:



Giroud is not "very very average" he scored some sweet equalizer and goals for us. But in comparism, he doesn't fit into RVP class, and can't as far as Arsenal is concerned. RVP changes games himself. He takes things into his hands and does a lot of stuff the Giroud at Arsenal CAN'T ever do.


The boldened, you do know it's a sweet contradiction of your stance. You're contradicting yourself so sweetly and excellently. Pls just no tokam outside pls. Giroud and rvp?? Heiiiiii!!

You failed to see that I didn't contradict my self. I took a stance and proved it with evidence no one here has since countered. However I still made my opinion known. The bolded in your post is what I supported against Jodera not necessarily that Giroud is better. My stance was that he is not average as Jodera claims.

mostob:
Spy, na you type this thing?
You will be honored bro...both home and away, you will command respect.

That a player is average doesn't mean he is not good .

Absolutely 💯

Exactly what I needed Jodera to see.

Jodera:
Na the thing deh weak me with Arteta.
He just changed a winning formula at what was working.

The cohesion of last season was just gone, now we labour to play and we're very very conservative. No fast play or quick breaks. Something that we were very very good at last season. E just be like say we dey conserve energy for wetin I no just know.

Above all, we need a good striker. I just hope we don't slip further down the table

I just Dey observe Arteta and this January transfer window will determine if I’ll keep having the hope or if I’ll give up the hope on the League

Spy360:


Xhaka too played as a space controller. Havertz is younger and has time to learn. You will eat your words. Remember our argument between Lacazette and Nketiah? Or Jesus? I can spot talent and tactics 5miles away.

The only time I ate my words is that Nketiah won't bench Laca before season ends in 2021/22 season and I was man enough to admit it and collect the L.

But you?.....

From Balogun will see first team shirt. You change mouth just not to collect L

From Nketiah will bench Jesus before season ends. You change mouth just not to collect L

Even this Havertz own, you don even change mouth sef when him matter dey cast after saying you prefer ESR there and not him. Heaven knows that I won't give you any accolades if he turns out to be a great signing.

Anyone who knows you notice that you always pick 2 sides or change mouth so that once it goes the other way, you'll swiftly point out the other "mouth" but if it goes the way you initially wanted, you'll take the W.

You even just did so in the Van Persie — Giroud matter just as recently as ystdy

Whenever you're ready to hold onto an opinion with your full chest without changing mouth along the way, let me know

Shegzdave:

I just Dey observe Arteta and this January transfer window will determine if I’ll keep having the hope or if I’ll give up the hope on the League

Fingers crossed.
Let's see how Jan and this season will pan out

Jodera:

The only time I ate my words is that Nketiah won't bench Laca before season ends in 2021/22 season and I was man enough to admit it and collect the L.

But you?.....

From Balogun will see first team shirt. You change mouth just not to collect L

From Nketiah will bench Jesus before season ends. You change mouth just not to collect L

Even this Havertz own, you don even change mouth sef when him matter dey cast after saying you prefer ESR there and not him. Heaven knows that I won't give you any accolades if he turns out to be a great signing.

Anyone who knows you notice that you always pick 2 sides or change mouth so that once it goes the other way, you'll swiftly point out the other "mouth" but if it goes the way you initially wanted, you'll take the W.

You even just did so in the Van Persie — Giroud matter just as recently as ystdy

Whenever you're ready to hold onto an opinion with your full chest without changing mouth along the way, let me know

I took my L in the Balogun case, simply because he went on loan.

As for Havertz, even till tomorrow I will still prefer ESR in that role. Go back and check, I have always preferred ESR and my reason is simple, he is right footed not necessarily about his performance. Also, you should take an L on Havertz because he will surpass Xhaka's goal record for a season.

For the Giroud case, I won that argument too with my stats which you couldn't counter. You depended on feelings whereas I brought facts. I only mentioned my preference for RVP just to let you know that you should stop making vague comments like 'Giroud is very very average' which was my actual grouse.

I don't do double mouth except you don't really understand my positions in argument.

The way you defend your opinion is like begging for sympathy from neutrals. I won't do that. I am rational not emotional.

mostob:
We have the players but injury is dealing with our bench.
I think our problem is the lack of flexibility in our playing structure and the fact that the players are mentally tired. The latter is evident with the way Gabriel and Rice were arguing and Martinelli ignoring handshake.

This is the same team that has been winning matches earlier this season. All I can say now is that they are mentally tired. Arteta needs to shake things up both on and off the field. And we need our subs back too. They should shake that injury off.

This same team have been winning earlier this season which is true but you'll notice even during the wins, most of us weren't comfortable with the play. It was as if we were struggling to win or play our game. They were always complaints here and there that our attack isn't as fluid as last season.

Why I might agree that they might be mentally tired, Arteta needs to trust his bench more. Nelson ought to be starting some matches as far back as weeks ago. ESR have been fit for some time, he needs to be starting matches too. Let this guys rest and recharge as well as knowing that their spot isn't guaranteed. He did that to Martinelli early this season and the first 2-3 matches after, Martinelli was playing good. That is even after having a good 2nd half cameo against Man city. Now, he has gone back to default settings.

He needs to shake these guys up and he also needs improve on his own formula workings too. This season hasn't been sweet in terms of performances. Na just defence they try hold us. This is what happens when you take the "defence wins you league" mantra too personally and that's what he's doing

Spy360:

Absolutely

Exactly what I needed Jodera to see.

You putting Giroud and RVP in the same category was what Jodera opposed, not whether Giroud is good or not.

daveP:


For a team like Arsenal, till Kai gain that confidence, he no suppose dey guaranteed starters shirt. But this MA sacrificed alot to accommodate him. Kai himself is not the overall problem. It is this manager that is too blind to see the cost of that solitary decision. He thinks it is business as usual like the Ozil and Auba brouhaha that year?? Our expected shots again don drop.

Look at the bolded.

1. Did Arteta follow the same decisions when he worked on improving Xhaka? What was the outcome?

2. Has Kai improved? Who else in that squad could have replaced him in that same position?

daveP:


...

As for that westham thing, i think it's high time some arsenal fans realize that managers are studying us and doing all to exploit obvious weaknesses and it is working. The westham game is not as painful as this Fulham loss. Why? Fulham were very direct and it got them their W.

For next 10games, we better anticipate teams replicating the sitting deep style. If MA doesn't react and does something to counter this setup before it happens, then our expected goals will reduce. Let's strike before they sit deep too. Must we always wait till they recover before we play ball??

Our tactics have been found out and there's need for change or adjustments. I did not expect Arteta to use the same tactics from last season. Big teams usually change tactics twice a season. I trust Arteta to do just that this January.

mostob:
You putting Giroud and RVP in the same category was what Jodera opposed, not whether Giroud is good or not.

This is false now.

Jodera said Giroud was 'very very average' and the worst striker to play for Arsenal similar to Lacazette. I only proved that Giroud had similar stats to RVP and Adebayor which is true. You guys need to read first before jumping into argument.

You go too Explain, but Evidence disproves

Jodera:
This same team have been winning earlier this season which is true but you'll notice even during the wins, most of us weren't comfortable with the play. It was as if we were struggling to win or play our game. They were always complaints here and there that our attack isn't as fluid as last season.

Why I might agree that they might be mentally tired, Arteta needs to trust his bench more. Nelson ought to be starting some matches as far back as weeks ago. ESR have been fit for some time, he needs to be starting matches too. Let this guys rest and recharge as well as knowing that their spot isn't guaranteed. He did that to Martinelli early this season and the first 2-3 matches after, Martinelli was playing good. That is even after having a good 2nd half cameo against Man city. Now, he has gone back to default settings.

He needs to shake these guys up and he also needs improve on his own formula workings too. This season hasn't been sweet in terms of performances. Na just defence they try hold us. This is what happens when you take the "defence wins you league" mantra too personally and that's what he's doing

The issue with using the bench has a lot to do with reliability IMO. The like of Tomiyasu, Partey, Nelson, ESR and Vieira have proven that they're not reliable due to their incessant injuries. I don't think any manager would want to put them at the heart of the team. Immediately we sold Xhaka, I was happy ESR will finally get his chance but man has been in and out of treatment room twice now. IMO, the foundation of the team needs to be reliable and available.

Spy360:

I took my L in the Balogun case, simply because he went on loan.

As for Havertz, even till tomorrow I will still prefer ESR in that role. Go back and check, I have always preferred ESR and my reason is simple, he is right footed not necessarily about his performance. Also, you should take an L on Havertz because he will surpass Xhaka's goal record for a season.

For the Giroud case, I won that argument too with my stats which you couldn't counter. You depended on feelings whereas I brought facts. I only mentioned my preference for RVP just to let you know that you should stop making vague comments like 'Giroud is very very average' which was my actual grouse.

I don't do double mouth except you don't really understand my positions in argument.

The way you defend your opinion is like begging for sympathy from neutrals. I won't do that. I am rational not emotional.

Everyone knows this is a big Lie. Like a big fat lie. I've to even drag you to take your L but Rara, you went to manufacture another argument you made from the skies and claimed I was a party to it. Even till today you still haven't taken your L on him

On Havertz matter, you've never preferred ESR to that role right from onset. We even argued about it and you claimed Havertz was a better player than ESR in that role since he's a German int'l which ESR wasn't in his own country and other bla bla bla reasons. When the heat was much on Havertz, you switched mouth that you preferred ESR because he's right footed.

Even the Jesus-Nketiah palava, you still switched mouth saying Jesus is the better player for us than Nketiah after making mouth that if Jesus is not careful Nketiah would send him to the bench(same way you did for Nketiah— Laca)

Me begging for sympathy from neutrals. Do I tag anyone when making my debates with you?

Can we see your Giroud vs Rvp double mouth?

Spy: Giroud is on par with Rvp because stats says so

Same Spy: Anyone who watched arsenal knows that Rvp Is better than Giroud both as a player and a goalscorer

Jod.era: Anyone who watched arsenal knows that Rvp Is better than Giroud as a player and a goalscorer. It's not even close.

From here, we can see who get double mouth.

Slyly, you just change mouth so that in case in the nearest future, someone wants to drag you saying you claimed Giroud is on par with Rvp, you'll use that 2nd double mouth as receipts.

Na person wey no dey familiar with your game you go deceive

Nobody is talking about Tomiyasu going for Asian AFC this January

BlueRayDick:
Nobody is talking about Tomiyasu going for Asian AFC this January

Hopefully Timber would be back by then maybe that's why.
Plus he hadn't had the chance of been in first team consistently might be another reason

Jodera:

Hopefully Timber would be back by then maybe that's why.
Plus he hadn't had the chance of been in first team consistently might be another reason

Now is the time we need Tomiyasu most; now when our RB and LB options are out of form.

Jodera:
Everyone knows this is a big Lie. Like a big fat lie. I've to even drag you to take your L but Rara, you went to manufacture another argument you made from the skies and claimed I was a party to it. Even till today you still haven't taken your L on him

On Havertz matter, you've never preferred ESR to that role right from onset. We even argued about it and you claimed Havertz was a better player than ESR in that role since he's a German int'l which ESR wasn't in his own country and other bla bla bla reasons. When the heat was much on Havertz, you switched mouth that you preferred ESR because he's right footed.

Even the Jesus-Nketiah palava, you still switched mouth saying Jesus is the better player for us than Nketiah after making mouth that if Jesus is not careful Nketiah would send him to the bench(same way you did for Nketiah— Laca)

Me begging for sympathy from neutrals. Do I tag anyone when making my debates with you?

Can we see your Giroud vs Rvp double mouth?

Spy: Giroud is on par with Rvp because stats says so

Same Spy: Anyone who watched arsenal knows that Rvp Is better than Giroud both as a player and a goalscorer

Jod.era: Anyone who watched arsenal knows that Rvp Is better than Giroud as a player and a goalscorer. It's not even close.

From here, we can see who get double mouth.

Slyly, you just change mouth so that in case in the nearest future, someone wants to drag you saying you claimed Giroud is on par with Rvp, you'll use that 2nd double mouth as receipts.

Na person wey no dey familiar with your game you go deceive

I don't know whether I should reply this because I still stand on my words.

I said I preferred ESR playing the LAM role simply because he is righted footed. I also said Havertz is a better player than ESR and being a German international proves it. The first statement has nothing to do with the second. I could also say Havertz is a better player than Ben White. That doesn't mean I'll prefer Havertz as a RB. You are just missing the point because of your agenda

On the Jesus Vs Nketiah matter, my point is still clear for anyone who cares to know. Jesus is a better player than Nketiah but Nketiah is a better goal scorer than Jesus. The reason is that Jesus drops deep and so loses focus on goals. Nketiah is more direct and a box striker and so scores more. But Arteta will always use Jesus because he brings more to the team. Guy we argued this and I even brought heat maps to prove it. If you disagree with anything thing I said here bring it up and stop fanning ambers of sympathy.

The Giroud matter is still fresh, you can still trace it back. You started it by saying Giroud is very average and I countered you with evidence you cannot refute till now. It's not late.

Is Giroud's goals contrition is similar to RVP? Yes or No.

Stop spamming this thread.

mostob:
The issue with using the bench has a lot to do with reliability IMO. The like of Tomiyasu, Partey, Nelson, ESR and Vieira have proven that they're not reliable due to their incessant injuries. I don't think any manager would want to put them at the heart of the team. Immediately we sold Xhaka, I was happy ESR will finally get his chance but man has been in and out of treatment room twice now. IMO, the foundation of the team needs to be reliable and available.

True talk tho but Arteta has shown he has trust issues regarding his bench so far.

Now that he has a fit Nelson for some time now, let's see whether he'll ever get to start him. One thing with Arteta is that even within his bench, he still has "First eleven".

The only time he switched up this season (especially that Midfield) was against Sheffield. He's hardly tried it before nor after.

Spy360:

This is false now.

Jodera said Giroud was 'very very average' and the worst striker to play for Arsenal similar to Lacazette. I only proved that Giroud had similar stats to RVP and Adebayor which is true. You guys need to read first before jumping into argument.

Actually, Giroud is average or which category would you place him? You said Giroud and RVP are on par which is a blaspheme.

BlueRayDick:


Now is the time we need Tomiyasu most; now when our RB and LB options are out of form.

I dunno if Tierney is injured but this is the right time to even recall him.
But your point is valid, Now is even the time we need Tomi most. I just hope Timber comes back early this month. Maybe he can be our Tomi till Tomi comes back

Spy360:

I don't know whether I should reply this because I still stand on my words.

I said I preferred ESR playing the LAM role simply because he is righted footed. I also said Havertz is a better player than ESR and being a German international proves it. The first statement has nothing to do with the second. I could also say Havertz is a better player than Ben White. That doesn't mean I'll prefer Havertz as a RB. You are just missing the point because of your agenda

On the Jesus Vs Nketiah matter, my point is still clear for anyone who cares to know. Jesus is a better player than Nketiah but Nketiah is a better goal scorer than Jesus. The reason is that Jesus drops deep and so loses focus on goals. Nketiah is more direct and a box striker and so scores more. But Arteta will always use Jesus because he brings more to the team. Guy we argued this and I even brought heat maps to prove it. If you disagree with anything thing I said here bring it up and stop fanning ambers of sympathy.

The Giroud matter is still fresh, you can still trace it back. You started it by saying Giroud is very average and I countered you with evidence you cannot refute till now. It's not late.

Is Giroud's goals contrition is similar to RVP? Yes or No.

Stop spamming this thread.

Breakdown what you meant by

Anyone who watched arsenal knows that Rvp is better than Giroud both as a player/goalscorer.

And

Giroud is on par with Rvp.


This is the greatest contradictory statement I've seen in this thread.

As for the rest you type up there, it's from your "second" mouth so I have nothing to say