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MaxInDHouse:
The reward is not about the dead

Here is the verse again, "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered."

Definitely, you're the one changing God's word here and the reason is because it's against your lie.

it's the living that will continue to remember them because of their good works

But the verse says "...NOR ARE THEY REMEMBERED"

This is you giving different meaning to just one single verse

E get why

but as for them they are lifeless they don't feel anything no love no hatred no regrets no joy it's all gone

Under the this earth as the scripture rightly put.

"Whatever they did in their lifetime—loving, hating, envying—is all long gone. They no longer play a part in anything here on earth." - ECC 9:6

That means, the phrase "the dead know nothing" was also part of that verse 6 which is talking about "PLAYING PART IN ANYTHING HERE ON EARTH."

until God brings them back to life because of those who missed them due to their good works.

No! The description is generally for ALL THE DEAD. So you can't just take the first phrase from that verse and give the rest different meaning.

That's cherry picking.

Dtruthspeaker:
So now that you have finished twisting like serpent lordReed, you have twisted back to repetition. Clearly like LordReed you love lies.

Yes Samuel was dead and a witch "brought him up"

"And Saul perceived that it was Samuel"

You obviously have the Curse of self decieit.

If I ask you to quote where I lied now you will start fumbling. Oya quote where I lied let's see you dance. Bwahahahahaha!

Emusan:
Here is the verse again, "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered."

Jesus said:
“Let the dead bury their dead, but you go and declare abroad the Kingdom of God." Luke 9:60

"the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.” Luke 20:37-38

David said:
"The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God" Psalms 9:17

Paul said:
"For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused" Romans 2:14-15

Though the dead knows nothing and memories of them is forgotten the true God keeps in mind His loyal servants {Genesis 4:10} that's why their names are written in His memory book {Hebrews 11:4-34} and pagans who lived by their conscience {Romans 2:14-15} because of their good deeds He will remember them {Job 14:13-15} while wicked people who rendered their conscience dead are forgotten! Psalms 9:17

So spiritually speaking it's faithless miscreants and wicked people that will not be remembered unlike the faithful that God is eagerly anticipating to see them live again that's why Jesus said such ones are living from God's viewpoint! Luke 20:36-38

See how he quickly switch from that Ecclesiastical

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:
“Let the dead bury their dead, but you go and declare abroad the Kingdom of God." Luke 9:60

Irrelevant here!

"the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.” Luke 20:37-38

@underlined is the key.

David said:
"The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God" Psalms 9:17

Paul said:
"For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused" Romans 2:14-15

Out of point.

Stick to Ecclesiastical 9.

You can't give different meaning to single verse.

The verse clearly says, "the dead know nothing" which is under the earth

Though the dead knows nothing and memories of them is forgotten the true God keeps in mind His loyal servants {Genesis 4:10}

God says the dead have no more rewards nor remembered. So God can't contradict Himself.

This is Gen 4:10 "But the Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground!"

This is not God's memory, stop putting your word in God's mouth.

that's why their names are written in His memory book {Hebrews 11:4-34} and pagans who lived by their conscience {Romans 2:14-15} because of their good deeds He will remember them {Job 14:13-15} while wicked people who rendered their conscience dead are forgotten! Psalms 9:17

Now, you agreed that the DEAD will be REMEMBERED, meanwhile God's word says they'll never be remembered. Definitely, you have issues with that verse.

So spiritually speaking it's faithless miscreants and wicked people that will not be remembered unlike the faithful that God is eagerly anticipating to see them live again that's why Jesus said such ones are living from God's viewpoint! Luke 20:36-38

It's spiritually speaking now

Well, from your post it's evident that you misinterpreted that Ecclesiastical 9:5 because that verse was about the dead having anything to do UNDER THE SUN or ON EARTH.

Reason why you just pick the first phrase and start struggling with the rest.

Emusan:
See how he quickly switch from that Ecclesiastical
Irrelevant here!
Out of point.

Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus really said about Heaven and Hell (Google)
https://time.com > Jesus really said about heaven and hell | TIME

In traditional English versions, he does occasionally seem to speak of “Hell” – for example, in his warnings in the Sermon on the Mount: anyone who calls another a fool, or who allows their right eye or hand to sin, will be cast into “hell” (Matthew 5:22, 29-30). But these passages are not actually referring to “hell.” The word Jesus uses is “Gehenna.” The term does not refer to a place of eternal torment but to a notorious valley just outside the walls of Jerusalem, believed by many Jews at the time to be the most unholy, god-forsaken place on earth. It was where, according to the Old Testament, ancient Israelites practiced child sacrifice to foreign gods. The God of Israel had condemned and forsaken the place. Jeremiah 7:31

In the ancient world (whether Greek, Roman, or Jewish), the worst punishment a person could experience after death was to be denied a decent burial. Jesus developed this view into a repugnant scenario: corpses of those excluded from the kingdom would be unceremoniously tossed into the most desecrated dumping ground on the planet. Jesus did not say souls would be tortured there. They simply would no longer exist.

Keep spreading lies. Your cell is waiting for you in hell.

Ken4Christ:
Keep spreading lies. Your cell is waiting for you in hell.

Everyone has an awaiting home in hell (grave) until the day of resurrection.
So seek truth and stop been deluded simply because of emotions!

MaxInDHouse:
Everyone has an awaiting home in hell (grave) until the day of resurrection. So seek truth and stop been deluded simply because of emotions!

O boy, you strong o. Arguing with all these fanatics by yourself. Save your strenght o, you can never win o

Lasgidi90:
O boy, you strong o. Arguing with all these fanatics by yourself.
Save your strenght o, you can never win o

It's not about winning an argument but letting them know that the concept of a place for the dead to be punished is not scriptural the first church fathers after the death of Christ's apostles don't know how to keep Churchgoers under their control brought the idea and whoever stands up against them back then was tortured to death as a witch.
Please read what happened in the churches during the dark ages on Google.

MaxInDHouse:
It's not about winning an argument but letting them know that the concept of a place for the dead to be punished is not scriptural the first church fathers after the death of Christ's apostles don't know how to keep Churchgoers under their control brought the idea and whoever stands up against them back then was tortured to death as a witch.
Please read what happened in the churches during the dark ages on Google.

I have read all that and even more. Those were quite some terrifying times.

Lasgidi90:
I have read all that and even more. Those were quite some terrifying times.

So when we are talking about the truth found in God's word and some misinformed churchgoers wants to argue in support of the lies used to hypnotize their ancestors i will tell them the truth whether they like it or not.
Hell simply means Grave what Jesus mentioned that was translated Hellfire never meant a place where dead people are punished rather it's a symbol of complete destruction anyone found in that state will not be remembered during resurrection.
That's just the simple truth!

LordReed:
If I ask you to quote where I lied now you will start fumbling. Oya quote where I lied let's see you dance. Bwahahahahaha!

Why would I requote your lies when I have already quoted them for all to see, lordLiar? Even now, you lie! Hahahahahahaha

MaxInDHouse:
Everyone has an awaiting home in hell (grave) until the day of resurrection.
So seek truth and stop been deluded simply because of emotions!

Serpent pikin! You already know that when people say hell they mean hellfire/lake of fire. But if course you are the son of lies, so LordReed pretencious lying twisting is expected

MaxInDHouse:
It's not about winning an argument but letting them know that the concept of a place for the dead to be punished is not scriptural the first church fathers after the death of Christ's apostles don't know how to keep Churchgoers under their control brought the idea and whoever stands up against them back then was tortured to death as a witch.
Please read what happened in the churches during the dark ages on Google.

Serpent, so Deuteronomy 32:22/Mathew 18:9 are products of the dark ages?

Continue deceiving people as your father the Serpent; thank God your father and his beasts and false prophet (I wonder if your brother lordlyingReed would be the one) would soon be revealed and you people's Judgment, come!

Dtruthspeaker:
Why would I requote your lies when I have already quoted them for all to see, lordLiar? Even now, you lie! Hahahahahahaha

I talk am. Dliespeaker! I hail o! See Atilogun dancing. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
Serpent, so Deuteronomy 32:22/Mathew 18:9 are products of the dark ages?

Continue deceiving people as your father the Serpent; thank God your father and his beasts and false prophet (I wonder if your brother lordlyingReed would be the one) would soon be revealed and you people's Judgment, come!

You don't worth my response!

MaxInDHouse:
Everyone has an awaiting home in hell (grave) until the day of resurrection.
So seek truth and stop been deluded simply because of emotions!

I have never heard anyone gnashing and weeping in the physical grave. So, Jesus couldn't have been talking about the physical grave.

Besides,he said that the worms there don't die. Is there any species of worms that doesn't die on earth. See how Russell has brainwashed you and gullible souls.

Ken4Christ:
I have never heard anyone gnashing and weeping in the physical grave. So, Jesus couldn't have been talking about the physical grave. Besides,he said that the worms there don't die. Is there any species of worms that doesn't die on earth. See how Russell has brainwashed you and gullible souls.

Ọmọ if someone is laughing at Tinubu publicly and another said:

"You will be locked up in the cell that's where your laughing will lead you"

Does that mean the accused will still be laughing while in the police cell?

Jesus was referring to their gnashing of teeth at him while talking so their gnashing of teeth will lead them to hell (grave)

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if someone is laughing at Tinubu publicly and another said:

"You will be locked up in the cell that's where your laughing will lead you"

Does that mean the accused will still be laughing while in the police cell?

Jesus was referring to their gnashing of teeth at him while talking so their gnashing of teeth will lead them to hell (grave)

If you don't lie for your gods how will you be happy?

This is what Jesus said in that verse "Matthew 13:42: "and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place (that is the furnace of fire) there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

And this is how your NWT put it: "and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace.h There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be."

Where in this verse that Jesus was talking to those standing with him about gnashing of teeth?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't worth my response!

You never have a valid response. That is what happens when you lie.

Bendy:
Hello Nairalanders, do you think God really sends people to hell?

Personally, I believe God does not send people to hell; they go there themselves. God is rather the one saving people from hell. Please share your thoughts.

Thanks.

Where is the hell God saves people from?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if someone is laughing at Tinubu publicly and another said:

"You will be locked up in the cell that's where your laughing will lead you"

Does that mean the accused will still be laughing while in the police cell?

Jesus was referring to their gnashing of teeth at him while talking so their gnashing of teeth will lead them to hell (grave)

Haaa!!!!!

Ken4Christ:
I have never heard anyone gnashing and weeping in the physical grave. So, Jesus couldn't have been talking about the physical grave.

Besides,he said that the worms there don't die. Is there any species of worms that doesn't die on earth. See how Russell has brainwashed you and gullible souls.

So people will be laughing in a chamber of fiery torment shey?

Bendy:
Hello Nairalanders, do you think God really sends people to hell?

Personally, I believe God does not send people to hell; they go there themselves. God is rather the one saving people from hell. Please share your thoughts.

Thanks.

saving which people from hell? Who created the hell?? Who created satan as believed... How can you save.. People from what you created pls polish the dust in your brain

Aemmyjah:
So people will be laughing in a chamber of fiery torment shey?

Did I say laugh? Jesus said that they will weep and gnash their teeth because of the torment. In another place, he said that they will wait and gnash their teeth. The message Is simple but you chose not to believe it because of your preconceived opinion. Please, hell fire is real. You will regret for the rest of your life when you are cast into it because you refuse to believe and repent. Why are you taking such foolish risk?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if someone is laughing at Tinubu publicly and another said:

"You will be locked up in the cell that's where your laughing will lead you"

Does that mean the accused will still be laughing while in the police cell?

Jesus was referring to their gnashing of teeth at him while talking so their gnashing of teeth will lead them to hell (grave)

So everyone who died first gnashed their teeth? Judge your explanation yourself. It doesn't make sense. Besides, I never mentioned laughter. I said weeping and gnashing of teeth because of the pains and torment of hell. Must you keep defending lies of Russell at all cost? I feel so sorry for you because you will end up in the very hell you are denying. And it will be regrets upon regrets. I am shocked that you have taken the path that leads to destruction. Why?

Ken4Christ:
Did I say laugh? Jesus said that they will weep and gnash their teeth because of the torment. In another place, he said that they will wait and gnash their teeth. The message Is simple but you chose not to believe it because of your preconceived opinion. Please, hell fire is real. You will regret for the rest of your life when you are cast into it because you refuse to believe and repent. Why are you taking such foolish risk?

Misinformed Churchgoer!
Just say you will regret for the rest of your death because LIFE is for only the righteous it's DEATH that sinners get! Romans 6:23

Ken4Christ:
So everyone who died first gnashed their teeth? Judge your explanation yourself. It doesn't make sense. Besides, I never mentioned laughter. I said weeping and gnashing of teeth because of the pains and torment of hell. Must you keep defending lies of Russell at all cost? I feel so sorry for you because you will end up in the very hell you are denying. And it will be regrets upon regrets. I am shocked that you have taken the path that leads to destruction. Why?

Must you keep defending nonsense?

The man you're mentioning (Russell) has made the greatest group of preachers and teachers of God's word who are peaceful throughout the earth and none of you including all your pastors have been able to do anything tangible with your Hellfire doctrine!

Aemmyjah:
So people will be laughing in a chamber of fiery torment shey?

They just choose to be stupid otherwise why aren't they addressing the OP who asked a sound question?
Instead it's the person who has come to teach the truth they will attack with their Hellfire stupidity.

Dtruthspeaker:
You never have a valid response. That is what happens when you lie.

Convince the OP about your Hellfire i'm wiser than you and your god put together!

MaxInDHouse:
Must you keep defending nonsense?

The man you're mentioning (Russell) has made the greatest group of preachers and teachers of God's word who are peaceful throughout the earth and none of you including all your pastors have been able to do anything tangible with your Hellfire doctrine!

The road that leads to destruction is wide and majority takes that road. He only captured the minds of large number of people destined for destruction. And you are one of them. But God will have mercy on you if you repent and come out from that evil cult.

MaxInDHouse:
Misinformed Churchgoer!
Just say you will regret for the rest of your death because LIFE is for only the righteous it's DEATH that sinners get! Romans 6:23

Continue to work for the devil thinking you are working for God.