Evboesi:
that is what i am saying, the Oba is not an historian, he being captured on video saying does not lend credence to the fact that it existed. The foundation behind the Oduduwa and oranmiyan narrative is so poor, you can’t invite someone you don’t know to be King over you. It does not add up, it is a myth

You're still crying over verified facts? Lol.

Bini pleaded and invited the Yoruba to come and rule and organise them because they're Yoruba's kins! After several years of pleading, Oranmiyan was finally sent to Bini. Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. After Oranmiyan left, the Bini held on to Oranmiyan's child, wouldn't release him and made him the King.

DOptical:


You're still crying over verified facts? Lol.

Bini pleaded and invited the Yoruba to come and rule and organise them because they're Yoruba's kins! After several years of pleading, Oranmiyan was finally sent to Bini. Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. After Oranmiyan left, the Bini held on to Oranmiyan's child, wouldn't release him and made him the King.

In fact, let me add that the Bini could have been from Ife to their present place thus why they sent for an Ife prince. They have got different language though. Their change in language is probably due to interaction and interrelation with other tribes. Anyways, the Bini sent for a Yoruba Prince to organize them, thus Oranmiyan of Ile Ife. Bini held on to his child and made him a king after Oranmiyan left.

DOptical:


Dundee still spewing gibberish as usual without having facts to back up his stupidity. Lol. We're dealing in fact which I have provided in abundance, not your stupidity. Lol.

And yeah, all Yoruba are from Ile Ife including ijebu like I already stated. Awujale himself has a Yoruba name and Oyo ancestry. There's even Ijebu-Ife in Ijebu. Ijebu name itself is a Yoruba word which is "deep into the sea".

As for Oduduwa, he's an Orisha and an Ife king. Oduduwa predates the whole existence of Bini as a matter of fact. His great grandson, Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are verified facts!

you are the one that should look for facts to back up your poorly crafted story. Oranmiyan and Oduduwa never happened, they are figments of mere imagination.

Ozuo all Yorubas are not from Ife, the Ijebu king was consistent on that some years ago. Some are returnee slaves, Some were Fulanis, Some were Baribas, tapas , Hausas, Edos . They are all in that new marriage called Yoruba.


Ife is a village, one of the villages that elvolved alongside the others, nobody came from it, it is one of those Yoruba towns that evolved at the same time with many others. This new everybody came from Ife is for convenience and unity. Yorubas are uncivilized themselves, they can’t give what they don’t have

DOptical:


You're still crying over verified facts? Lol.

Bini pleaded and invited the Yoruba to come and rule and organise them because they're Yoruba's kins! After several years of pleading, Oranmiyan was finally sent to Bini. Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. After Oranmiyan left, the Bini held on to Oranmiyan's child, wouldn't release him and made him the King.

look at your poor tales of Miletus, do you know how many communities from Benin before you get to Ife. So Bini people are incomplete humans who could not rule themselves and they left several Yoruba groups with the idea that it is Ife. Why did Igbo not borrow king from Ife. Why did Urhobo not borrow king from Ife, or they don’t like kingship. Please bro please, nobody sends for people they don’t have relationship with to rule them

Yorubas are not civilized in the first place they couldn’t have civilized other people

DOptical:


In fact, let me add that the Bini are from Ife to their present place. Their change in language is due to interaction and interrelation with other tribes. Their etymology is still in Yoruba though. Anyways, the Bini sent for a Yoruba Prince to organize them, thus Oranmiyan of Ile Ife. Bini held on to his child and made him a king after Oranmiyan left.

I dare and challenge you to state any material that support your argument that Bini migrated from Ile Ife.


Nobody sends for people they don’t know to civilize them, a civilization you barbarians do not have in the first place


Benin and the Yoruba language is far apart, it is not even close in the first place

Evboesi:
you are the one that should look for facts to back up your poorly crafted story. Oranmiyan and Oduduwa never happened, they are figments of mere imagination.

Ozuo all Yorubas are not from Ife, the Ijebu king was consistent on that some years ago. Some are returnee slaves, Some were Fulanis, Some were Baribas, tapas , Hausas, Edos . They are all in that new marriage called Yoruba.


Ife is a village, one of the villages that elvolved alongside the others, nobody came from it, it is one of those Yoruba towns that evolved at the same time with many others. This new everybody came from Ife is for convenience and unity. Yorubas are uncivilized themselves, they can’t give what they don’t have

Still crying your stupidity over proven facts? 😂

Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo civilized Bini. Bini is nothing without Oranmiyan as a matter of fact!

The Yoruba has the highest form of civilization at the time the British came as a matter of fact. The Oranmiyan staff in Ife, the Pavement road in Ife, Eredo, Yoruba drums, Yoruba's poetry and metaphor, Yoruba fabrics, Yoruba's copper art etc..

All Yorubas are from Ife!

DOptical:


Still crying your stupidity over proven facts? 😂

Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo civilized Bini. Bini is nothing without Oranmiyan as a matter of fact!

The Yoruba has the highest form of civilization at the time the British came as a matter of fact. The Oranmiyan staff in Ife, the Pavement road in Ife, Eredo, Yoruba drums, Yoruba's poetry and metaphor, Yoruba fabrics etc..

All Yorubas are from Ife with the language!

oranmiyan did not happen, your leaders successfully turned Oduduwa from a goddess into a man.

Oranmiyan did not happen. You cannot invite someone you don’t know to come and govern you, it does not happen. Every culture had their form of civilization, shove your Yoruboid nonsense in your ass. Igbos had democracy before the white man ever stepped foot on Nigeria that is something to commend for. Every culture had this unique thing that was noteworthy.


All Yoruba did not come from Ife, go and tell it to your two year child . The Yorubas are not civilized in the first place let alone civilizing other people

Evboesi:
look at your poor tales of Miletus, do you know how many communities from Benin before you get to Ife. So Bini people are incomplete humans who could not rule themselves and they left several Yoruba groups with the idea that it is Ife. Why did Igbo not borrow king from Ife. Why did Urhobo not borrow king from Ife, or they don’t like kingship. Please bro please, nobody sends for people they don’t have relationship with to rule them

Yorubas are not civilized in the first place they couldn’t have civilized other people

It was Bini who sent for Ife prince to organize them to begin with, thus Oranmiyan of Ile Ife. They even stole his child and wouldn't let him return home and made him a king. Hence why Bini Oba heads were buried in Ife because "Ori Ade ko gbodo sun ta"

DOptical:


It was Bini who sent for Ife prince to organize them to begin with. They even stole his child and wouldn't let him return home. Hence why Bini Oba heads were buried in Ife because "Ori Ade ko gbodo sun tan"

they wouldn’t have sent for him if they don’t know him. It only happened in the figments of your imagination. The same Orun oba ado they went to dig and found nothing. Yorubas that cannot organize themselves want to organize other people

Evboesi:
oranmiyan did not happen, your leaders successfully turned Oduduwa from a goddess into a man.

Oranmiyan did not happen. You cannot invite someone you don’t know to come and govern you, it does not happen. Every culture had their form of civilization, shove your Yoruboid nonsense in your ass. Igbos had democracy before the white man ever stepped foot on Nigeria that is something to commend for. Every culture had this unique thing that was noteworthy.


All Yoruba did not come from Ife, go and tell it to your two year child . The Yorubas are not civilized in the first place let alone civilizing other people

Now, I see where the unwarranted bile is coming from! Lol. Stop disguising like a coward and come out openly! 😂

Anyways, the fact is the British found Yoruba with the highest form of civilization at the time they arrived Nigeria! The pavement road, Oranmiyan staff, Eredo, Yorubas metaphor and poetry, fabric, Yoruba copper etc.

DOptical:


Now, I see where the unwarranted bile is coming from! Lol. Stop disguising like a coward and come out openly! 😂

Anyways, the British found Yoruba with the highest form of civilization!

there is nothing like that. Every tribe had and still has their own poetry, metaphor whatever nonsense there is Igbo ukwu in Igbo too, there is the awka iron metallurgy

Evboesi:
there is nothing like that. Every tribe had and still has their own poetry, metaphor whatever nonsense

I won't bother with your trash which you've not had facts to back it up, added with your coward self disguising. Stop disturbing my mention with gibberish until you can come out boldly!

DOptical:


I won't bother with your trash which you've not had facts to back it up, added with your coward self disguising. Stop disturbing my mention with gibberish until you can come out boldly!

come out boldly how,? Don’t mask the aim. Go through my post. It is 90% Edo. Maybe ten percent from any other place. Don’t use disguise to run with your ignorance. I long opened Nairaland long before this topic came up

I use the Igbos to give analysis to shape my analogy that this civilization thing is in every tribe and it is relative

Evboesi:
come out boldly how,? Don’t mask the aim. Go through my post. It is 90% Edo. Maybe ten percent from any other place. Don’t use disguise to run with your ignorance

You mean the cowardly moniker used for disguising as Bini while spewing trash without basis/facts? Get off my mention!

DOptical:


You mean the cowardly moniker used for disguising as Edo while spewing trash without basis/facts? Get off my mention!

dont cowardly mask the aim. Go through my post my nigga and be faced with the shocking reality that i am Edo flesh and blood. You guys are uncivilized and cowardly. You publish shithole unrelatable history to exert false sense of superiority over other people

Evboesi:
dont cowardly mask the aim. Go through my post my nigga and be faced with the shocking reality that i am Edo flesh and blood. You guys are uncivilized and cowardly. You publish shithole unrelatable history to exert false sense of superiority over other people

The lying coward. I asked you to get off my mention. You thought you bringing up the line was the first time I unmasked you? Lol. I already unmasked you the moment you were angry when I tried connecting Esan, Etsako with eddo when you were supposedly be Bini. Or you've forgotten you were disguising as Bini? 😂 Or you trying to segregate the Urhobo when you're a supposedly Bini? 😂 Or you forgot you were disguising as an Bini? 😂 A coward idiot. Stop disturbing me with your trash!

DOptical:


The lying coward. I asked you to get off my mention. You thought you bringing up that line was the first time I unmasked you? Lol. I already unmasked you the moment you were angry when I said Esan, etsako were from Edo. Or you trying to segregate the Urhobo from the Edo when you're a supposedly Edo? 😂 Or you forgot you were disguising as an Edo? 😂 A coward idiot. Stop disturbing me with your trash!

how did you see my face to know that i got angry, why will i even get angry in the first place, it is common news they migrated from Benin what about engenni in river state, what i was trying to tell your low self esteem brain was that the spread of omo among Edoid groups is overwhelming and and it is rather innate and an Edo word even as it is Yoruba rather than it being a borrowed word from Yoruba to Benin and spread to all of them. Don’t mask your ignorance. I am just trying to tell you about the spread of the word Omo . There is no disguising anywhere. You lots are low self esteem nitwits that publish very childish far from reality relatable history to exert a false sense of superiority over others

I turned two on Nairaland October last year, so i disguised for two years just to have this conversation with you you have lost steam. Go away my brother

Evboesi:
how did you see my face to know that i got angry, why will i even get angry in the first place, it is common news they migrated from Benin what about engenni in river state, what i was trying to tell your low self esteem brain was that the spread of omo among Edoid groups is overwhelming and and it is rather innate and an Edo word even as it is Yoruba rather than it being a borrowed word from Yoruba to Benin and spread to all of them. Don’t mask your ignorance. I am just trying to tell you about the spread of the word Omo . There is no disguising anywhere. You lots are low self esteem nitwits that publish very childish far from reality relatable history to exert a false sense of superiority over others

I turned two on Nairaland October last year, so i disguised for two years just to have this conversation with you you have lost steam. Go away my brother

Ovie is the word for child, not Omo which is a Yoruba word. Something you need to sink into your brain if you've got any to begin with! Just like ogiso was for Bini king until Yoruba Oba, Oranmiyan! All these are backed with facts which I provided unlike your stupid brain who couldn't provide any.

Meanwhile, Going roundabout after I unmasked your stupidity isn't helping you! 😂

You implied that the likes of Esan etc used the word Omo and my reply was Esan, Etsako etc migrated from Bini na. After which, you started crying about how you didn't mention Etsako blah blah and wasn't even talking about migration blah blah blah. That aside you always trying to segregate the Urhobo from Bini when you're supposedly Bini. Or you forgot you were disguising as Bini? 😂 Then coming up with the unrelated line when it wasn't part of the discourse while even lauding the Ibo above the Bini when you're supposedly Bini. Lol. Or you forgot you were disguising as Bini in your stupidity? .

I already asked your coward self to stop disturbing me with your stupidity. The moment you lack all the facts to back your stupidity should get you off my mention! I don't deal with stupidity!

DOptical:


Evie is the word for child, not Omo which is a Yoruba word. Something you need to sink into your brain if you've got any to begin with! Just like ogiso was for their king until Yoruba Oba, Oranmiyan! All these are backed with facts which I provided unlike your stupid brain who couldn't provide any.

Meanwhile, Going roundabout after I unmasked your stupidity isn't helping you! 😂

You implied that the likes of Esan etc used the word Omo and my reply was Esan, Etsako etc migrated from Bini na. After which, you started crying about how you didn't mention Etsako blah blah and wasn't even talking about migration blah blah blah. That aside you always trying to segregate the urhobo from the Edo when you're supposedly Bini. Then coming up with unrelated Ibo line when it wasn't part of the discourse while you were even lauding the Ibo above the Edo when you're supposedly Bini. Lol. Or you forgot you were disguising as Bini in your stupidity?

I already asked your coward self to stop disturbing me with your stupidity. The moment you lack all the facts to back your stupidity should get you off my mention! I don't deal with stupidity!

ovbi is only within Bini and Esan,maybe Etsako and a few other groups Omo is spread from lamkpese on the northern Edo borders to Engenni in rivers. And these are all Edoid groups. So Omo has more spread. Ovbi is not really a child. The innate etymology for ovbi is offshoot or descendants. It is not really directly fixed to a child. So Omo is not a Yoruba word. It is an Edo word even as it is Yoruba. When you combine all the Edoid together it is not small. Yorubas advantage in size to it will reduce drastically, there is no rule anywhere that states it is not the Edos that gave it to you guys if it was given.

Oranmiyan did not exist, it is an idea, i have said it over and again. Nobody ask for a king from someone they don’t know, it did not exist. That’s cock and bull story. Your attempt at fleeing away using that method did not work, you had to come back knowing that it is cowardly.


Screenshot the post where i was crying. When i was taught history, i was not taught Benin history alone,i was taught that of Igbo and Yoruba too i don’t think it is prohibited to not use Igbo in an argument with the Yorubas. That must have hurt your ego when it was made known to you that other tribes had their civilization too. Because the world to you start at oshogbo and end at ijebu


This is what i wrote don’t be a fool, i was talking about the spread of this word.

what i was trying to tell your low self esteem brain was that the spread of omo among Edoid groups is overwhelming and and it is rather innate and an Edo word even as it is Yoruba rather than it being a borrowed word from Yoruba to Benin and spread to all of them

Evboesi:
ovbi is only within Bini and Esan, Omo is spread from lamkpese on the northern Edo borders to Engenni in rivers. And these are all Edoid groups. So Omo has more spread. Ovbi is not really a child. The innate etymology for ovbi is offshoot or descendants. It is not really directly fixed to a child. So Omo is not a Yoruba word. It is an Edo word even as it is Yoruba. When you combine all the Edoid together it is not small. Yorubas advantage in size to it will reduce drastically, there is no rule anywhere that states it is not the Edos that gave it to you guys if it was given.

Oranmiyan did not exist, it is an idea, i have said it over and again. Nobody ask for a king from someone they don’t know, it did not exist. That’s cock and bull story. Your attempt at fleeing away using that method did not work, you had to come back knowing that it is cowardly.


Screenshot the post where i was crying. When i was taught history, i was not taught Benin history alone,i was taught that of Igbo and Yoruba too i don’t think it is prohibited to not use Igbo in an argument with the Yorubas. That must have hurt your ego when it was made known to you that other tribes had their civilization too

Another useless rants without fact to back it up.

Omo and Oba are Yoruba words! Which are Certified! They were brought to Bini by Oranmiyan who civilized Bini. Backed up with facts! Something your brain can't provide to backup your stupid claim.

On you bringing up the Igbo, it wasn't part of the discourse to begin with. It was unrelated yet you brought it up unwarranted. Lol. Same Igbo who were found on top of the trees and pots of human flesh at the time the British came to Nigeria? While you forgot you were disguising as Bini for a moment, you were even lauding Igbo above the Bini. In the process of displaying your stupidity in a bid to say gibberish without facts about the Yoruba unwarranted because iirc, the thread was about fake drugs to begin with, you ended up trashing the Bini while disguising as the Bini. Lol.

Anyways, I have told you already to stop disturbing my mention with stupidity.

DOptical:


Another useless rants without fact to back it up.

Omo and Oba are Yoruba words! Which are Certified! They were brought to Bini by Oranmiyan who civilized Bini. Backed up with facts! Something your brain can't provide to backup your stupid claim.

On you bringing up the Igbo, it wasn't part of the discourse to begin with. It was unrelated yet you brought it up unwarranted. Lol. Same Igbo who were found on top of the trees and pots of human flesh at the time the British came to Nigeria? While you forgot you were disguising as Bini for a moment, you were even lauding Igbo above the Bini. In the process of displaying your stupidity in a bid to say gibberish without facts about the Yoruba unwarranted because iirc, the thread was about fake drugs to begin with, you ended up trashing the Bini while disguising as the Bini. Lol.

Anyways, I have told you already to stop disturbing my mention with stupidity.

that is a lie oranmiyan is an idea, oranmiyan did not exist. Omo is not a Yoruba word, it is a word spread evenly across the two tribes. The Edo Oba is different from Yoruba in meaning and in etymology. The idea behind Oranmiyan and Oduduwa is a sham arrangement meant to put up a false unity among Yoruba people. The Yoruba are uncivilized apes, they couldn’t have civilized other persons.

I brought it because you were hell bent on thinking civilization was well within the purview of the Yorubas alone. I had to let you know that it is in other tribes too because i know it is there. I go school, i know stuff beyond my immediate tribe. I don’t think there is a panel of judges who has said that i can’t bring it to counter your claim of false civilization if it will counter it. I am sorry it hurt your ego. Even the Nok people and culture is also there.


There is nothing like lauding Igbo above Bini, the same igbos that had democracy. Where every man would have a say in the government of how his community is run. They were the most civilized in precolonial Nigeria . Monarchy is largely slavery of the people.


Thrashing the Bini how, don’t be a fool, i called out an Igbo boy here for insulting Bini because a slowpoke Yoruba was disguising as one. That is how i came into this thread in the first place

Evboesi:
that is a lie oranmiyan is an idea, oranmiyan did not exist. Omo is not a Yoruba word, it is a word spread evenly across the two tribes. The Edo Oba is different from Yoruba in meaning and in etymology. The idea behind Oranmiyan and Oduduwa is a sham arrangement meant to put up a false unity among Yoruba people. The Yoruba are uncivilized apes, they couldn’t have civilized other persons.

I brought it because you were hell bent on thinking civilization was well within the purview of the Yorubas alone. I had to let you know that it is in other tribes too because i know it is there. I go school, i know stuff beyond my immediate tribe. I don’t think there is a panel of judges who has said that i can’t bring it to counter your claim of false civilization if it will counter it. I am sorry it hurt your ego. Even the Nok people and culture is also there.


There is nothing like lauding Igbo above Bini, the same igbos that had democracy. Where every man would have a say in the government of how his community is run. They were the most civilized in precolonial Nigeria . Monarchy is largely slavery of the people.


Thrashing the Bini how, don’t be a fool, i called out an Igbo boy here for insulting Bini because a slowpoke Yoruba was disguising as one.

Igbo who had OSU had democracy? Lol. There was nothing like democracy in Igbo. They were clannish who were wary of one another and ended up eating eachother while living on the trees. That was how the British found the Igbo. On the trees with human flesh. Even Ajayi Crowther was part of those who civilized the Igbo. Of course the Igbo could have been civilized than the the Bini since according to your brain, the Igbos were highly civilized than the Bini.

Meanwhile, the word Omo and Oba are certified Yoruba words! Bini had Evi and ogiso. Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was also the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are backed up with facts!

DOptical:


First, there was nothing like democracy in Igbo. They were clannish who were scared of eachother thus ended up eating eachother while living on the trees. That was how the British found the Igbo. On the trees with human flesh. Even Ajayi Crowther was part of those who civilized the Igbo. Of course the Igbo could be better than the the Bini since according to your brain, the Igbos were highly civilized thane the Bini.

Meanwhile, the word Omo and Oba are certified Yoruba words! Bini had Evi and ogiso. Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was also the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are backed up with facts!

they practiced direct democracy, go and read your book, just like the one practiced in ancient Greece. Even if you dropped out at 100 level, you would know this

That is the hallmark of civilization. Not yes sir, yes sir type of leadership.


Every tribe had their high point and low point. The Yoruba kings could demand ritual and it would be gotten for him, that is barbaric too . The Yorubas had abobaku, that is barbaric too


Omo and Oba are Yoruba words. I have no argument with you m. They are also Edo word’s independent of Yoruba. Just the way oba in anambra state is also an Igbo word. Or is that a Yoruba word too ?


Yorubas are uncivilized apes themselves, they couldn’t have civilized other people. There is no fact there, Oranmiyan and Oduduwa did not exist. It is a tales of woe meant to give you guys false unity and exert false sense of superiority over other persons

Evboesi

The problem I have with our people from SW is hubris. There is this recent neo-colonial mindset and nationalism born out of new found increase in influence in national politics of religion and tribalism.

This hubris makes perfectly intelligent people refuse to pause, listen and learn.

They think that the history of the area now called Nigeria was also WAZOBIA tripod of a failed nation we have now. Things were very different centuries ago.

Benin Empire was the pre-eminent power in the South-Eastern part of West Africa that is still called Bight of Benin today. From about 1440 about 1680s/90s when Oyo rose, primarily on the back of slave trade. At least this is well-documented by the Europeans.

Oyo reached its zenith under Bashorun Gaha until eliminated by Alaafin Abiodun and Oyabi in 1774. We all know what happened after that. There was no other Yoruba Empire. Even Ibadan that rose following fall of Oyo could not be that powerful.

How come Ajayi Crowther who had the best opportunity to explore Benin-Ife connection did not? Because he was not much in the later political game of later writers in SW that brought it.

You can't consider Ibadan University ethnocentric politico-historians' accounts to be worth anything.

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Evboesi:
they practiced direct democracy, go and read your book, just like the one practiced in Greece. That is the hallmark of civilization. Not yes sir, yes sir type of leadership.


Every tribe had their high point and low point. The Yoruba kings could demand ritual and it would be gotten for him, that is barbaric too . The Yorubas had abobaku, that is barbaric too


Omo and Oba are Yoruba words. I have no argument with you m. They are also Edo word’s independent of Yoruba. Just the way oba in anambra state is also an Igbo word. Or is that a Yoruba word too ?


Yorubas are uncivilized apes themselves, they couldn’t have civilized other people. There is no fact there, Oranmiyan and Oduduwa did not exist. It is a tales of woe meant to give you guys false unity and exert false sense of superiority over other persons

Igbo who had OSU had democracy? Lol. Maybe according to a stupid brain like yourself 😂 The same Igbos were found on trees with human flesh by the British.

Only the Onitsha axis who came from Bini btw thus Obi from the word Oba, had little civilization. Of course according to a dumb brain like yours, the Igbos were more civilized than the Bini 😂

And yeah, Oba and Omo are Yoruba words, even as Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are backed with facts! These are facts I simply stated. Na you wan hear history na because if you didn't, you wouldn't be saying gibberish without facts about the Yoruba unwarranted when the thread was about fake drinks in the first place.

DOptical:


Igbo who had OSU had democracy? Lol. Maybe according to a stupid brain like yourself 😂 The Igbos were found on trees with human flesh.

Only the Onitsha folks who came from Bini btw had little civilization. Of course according to a dumb brain like yours, the Igbos were more civilized than the Bini 😂

And yeah, Oba and Omo are Yoruba words, even as Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are backed with facts! These are facts I simply stated. Na you wan hear history na because if you didn't, you wouldn't be saying gibberish unwarranted about the Yoruba when the thread was about fake drinks in the first place.

yes this rebringing of the Igbo into this discuss is to deviate from the cut and join history that you guys have. But i will indulge you


The direct democracy is a bigger hallmark of civilization than monarchy anywhere,everyone had a say in how the Igbo land was run. They were egalitarian in nature The supposedly civilized Yorubas had abobaku too, maybe they still have it i don’t know. There was ritual paramount in Yorubaland precolonially, even till today m, yorubaland is still the home of rituals. I believe that is civilization to you.


The Yorubas that couldn’t civilized themselves against rituals, abobaku practice and other uncivilized practices unknown is the tribe that want to extend civilization to other people. Oranmiyan and Oduduwa are mythical and ideas, they did not exist. The Yorubas are barbaric apes themselves and couldn’t have civilized other people


There is no doubt Omo and oba are Yoruba words. They are also Edo words with meanings independent of that of the yoruba. Oba in anambra state is also a Yoruba word?

Evboesi:
yes this rebringing of the Igbo into this discuss is to deviate from the cut and join history that you guys have. But i will indulge you


The direct democracy is a bigger hallmark of civilization than monarchy anywhere,everyone had a say in how the Igbo land was run. They were egalitarian in nature The supposedly civilized Yorubas had abobaku too, maybe they still have it i don’t know. There was ritual paramount in Yorubaland precolonially, even till today m, yorubaland is still the home of rituals. I believe that is civilization to you.


The Yorubas that couldn’t civilized themselves against rituals, abobaku practice and other uncivilized practices unknown is the tribe that want to extend civilization to other people. Oranmiyan and Oduduwa are mythical and ideas, they did not exist. The Yorubas are barbaric apes themselves and couldn’t have civilized other people

You were the one who brought up the Igbo in the first place when it wasn't part of the discourses while you ended up trashing the Bini in the process. The same Igbo who were found on the trees with human flesh!

Meanwhile, IFA, Yoruba religion which is more than 10000 years old is against any human ritual as a matter of fact. Abobaku is more like a metaphor which means those who serve the King till death. Just like Ruth, Abokoku.

So Ifa is against any human ritual to begin with, or human killing except you pull above your boundaries hence self defence!

And yeah, Oduduwa is an Orisha and a king in Ile Ife. While the Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. These are facts!

DOptical:


You were the one who brought up the Igbo in the first place to laud them above the Bini. The same Igbo who were found on the trees with pot of flesh!

Meanwhile, IFA which is Yoruba religion that is more than 10000 years old is against any human ritual as a matter of fact. Abobaku is more like a metaphor which means those who serve the King till death. Just like Ruth, Abokoku.

So Ifa is against any human ritual to begin with, except you pull above your boundaries hence self defence!

And yeah, Oduduwa is an Orisha and a king in Ile Ife. While the Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. These are facts!

Ifa is not against it, if it is against it, it has no negative effect in any one that indulges in it. It is no news that the Yorubas had and still have this penchant for ritual. Even till today if you walk anyhow in some parts of Yoruba land you will go missing. That is a primitive and barbaric practice, the abobaku is there too. That is also primitive, archaic and barbaric. You think i am a neophyte, those abobaku’s are buried with the king

I am not trying to use it to point at the flaws of the Yorubas, i am only telling you that the Yorubas are also primitive in a way. They are not spared when it comes to barbarism. There are something’s commendable in every tribe and there is also that one thing that is condemnable.

The igbos practiced direct democracy. And that is a bigger hallmark of civilization anywhere in the world. The type similar with what was obtainable in the Ancient Greek city state. That is the reason colonial rule failed woefully in the east because every man’s opinion counted. This is a known fact in the academic world

Oranmiyan and Oduduwa did not happen. Those are figments of your imagination. These are theories meant to give you guys pseudo unity and also give you guys false sense of superiority over other tribes. The story is so poorly crafted that even a five year old would notice its flaws overwhelmingly.

The same Yorubas that brags about cutting the head of their kings and take it to Ile Ife the Yorubas are not worthy of civilization themselves and cannot give what they don’t have

Evboesi:
Ifa is not against it, if it is against it, it has no negative effect in any one that indulges in it. It is no news that the Yorubas had and still have this penchant for ritual. Even till today if you walk anyhow in some parts of Yoruba land you will go missing. That is a primitive and barbaric practice, the abobaku is there too. That is also primitive, archaic and barbaric. You think i am a neophyte, those abobaku’s are buried with the king

I am not trying to use it to point at the flaws of the Yorubas, i am only telling you that the Yorubas are also primitive in a way. They are not spared when it comes to barbarism. There are something’s commendable in every tribe and there is also that one thing that is condemnable.

The igbos practiced direct democracy. And that is a bigger hallmark of civilization anywhere in the world. The type similar with what was obtainable in the Ancient Greek city state. That is the reason colonial rule failed woefully in the east because every man’s opinion counted. This is a known fact in the academic world

Oranmiyan and Oduduwa did not happen. Those are figments of your imagination. These are theories meant to give you guys pseudo unity and also give you guys false sense of superiority over other tribes. The story is so poorly crafted that even a five year old would notice its flaws overwhelmingly.

The same Yorubas that brags about cutting the head of their kings and take it to Ile Ife the Yorubas are not worthy of civilization themselves and cannot give what they don’t have

Ifa is against human ritual or human killing except you pull above your boundaries such as land grabbing with ethnic cleansing for example thus self defense.

Of course some people brought different beliefs to Yorubaland which includes useless jazz such as useless money ritual which Ifa is totally against. As a matter of fact, Igbos were among the first people to engage in human ritual in Nigeria such as Clifford orji, Okija shrine and Reverend King. So cut me off the crap.

And yeah, Oduduwa is an Orisha and a king of Ife while Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini which civilized Bini. That's a verified fact!

DOptical:


Ifa is against human ritual or human killing except you pull above your boundaries such as land grabbing for example thus self defense.

Of course some people brought different belief to Yorubaland and even useless jazz such as useless money ritual which Ifa is totally against. As a matter of fact, the first people to engage in human ritual in Nigeria is the Igbos such as Clifford orji, Okija shrine and Reverend King. So cut me with the crap.

And yeah, Oduduwa is an Orisha and a king of Ife while Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini which civilized Bini. That's a verified fact!

that is a lie, Yorubas have a penchant for the ritual and specifically the skull. How will Clifford Orji be the first to engage in human ritual. Who accounted for those in the preceding centuries to appease the various gods in your land. Ijebu till tomorrow is still the hallmark of ritual in Nigeria. It is common news when you walk anyhow in ijebu, you might get missing and no one would know your whereabouts.

Oduduwa whether being an orisha or whatever did not exist. It is a figments of your imagination. Oduduwa and Oranmiyan is the most poorly crafted story in History that even a 5 year old would thrash it in the can it is a story meant to give you guys a false unity, it has no place in the bearing of reality.


The Yorubas are bereft of civilization themselves they cannot give what they don’t have

Evboesi:
that is a lie, Yorubas have a penchant for the ritual and specifically the skull. How will Clifford Orji be the first to engage in human ritual. Who accounted for those in the preceding centuries to appease the various gods in your land. Ijebu till tomorrow is still the hallmark of ritual in Nigeria. It is common news when you walk anyhow in ijebu, you might get missing and no one would know your whereabouts.

Oduduwa whether being an orisha or whatever did not exist. It is a figments of your imagination. Oduduwa and Oranmiyan is the most poorly crafted story in History that even a 5 year old would thrash it in the can it is a story meant to give you guys a false unity, it has no place in the bearing of reality.


The Yorubas are bereft of civilization themselves they couldn’t have extend civilization to other people

See tears! Was Clifford orji, reverend king not found with human flesh for rituals? Or Okija shrine? I Simply stated facts! Funny my facts keep unmasking you the more 😂

Ifa is against human ritual or killing except you pull above your boundaries like I stated.

And yeah Oduduwa is an Orisha and a king in Ile Ife while Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini.

DOptical:


See tears! Was Clifford orji, reverend king not found with human flesh for rituals? Or Okija shrine? I Simply stated facts! Funny my facts keep unmasking you the more 😂

Ifa is against human ritual or killing except you pull above your boundaries like I stated.

And yeah Oduduwa is an Orisha and a king in Ile Ife while Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini.

unmasking me how, you just want to deviate to mask your ignorance. You were the one stating that the Yorubas are the author and the finisher of civilization. And i interrupted telling you that that was egoistic and low self esteemish, making it clear to you that civilization is unique and relative. I brought the Igbo as a people to counter you. Reeling out their own hallmark of civilization.


Out of your ego that was busted, you started pointing out the Flaws in the Igbo Society like if Yoruba was a flawless society. Then I pointed out the flaws in your own tribe. You are crying fowl and giving me a label. The odds are heavily stacked against you. That idea of the Yorubas are the most civilized, they civilized Japan, civilized Somalia. It is egoistic and supremacist in tendencies. I would go at any length to show it to you. Using other examples as case studies. You


He was caught on camera, what about the countless cases of rituals killings in Osun and Ogun that goes unreported in the south west such that the Oluwo of Iwo in 2021 had to ask Yoruba agitators to channel the energy they are using to fight Fulani herdsmen to fight ritual killings in yorubaland because the killings are enormous and it goes undetected.


https://saharareporters.com/2021/02/24/oluwo-yoruba-activists-use-energy-pursuing-herders-address-ritual-killings-south-West


Oduduwa and Oranmiyan did not exist. It exists only in the mind of those that originated the story. The loopholes is so obvious even a two year old would suspect.

The Yorubas are uncivilized apes themselves. They cannot give what they don’t have.