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Seun, yours was a very emotional piece, your bias towards the Palestinians was not very hidden though. I have learned in my few decades on Earth that nothing is what it seems.
The Hamas leaders played right into the Israeli's hand and what they suffer now is the result of their arrogance. I believe it was all a part of a big plan to evade Palestine, else,
1. Why did the iron dome fail
2. Why wasn't there any response from the IDF in about 4 hours of murder and torture
3. Why wasn't any resistance at the party, 'cause every adult Israeli is a trained soldier (male and female)
In all you wrote, you did not mention what a "fair response" from the IDF would have been for the criminality carried out on their land.
lets have this debate

FiftyFifty:
I was only challenging the miscontrued facts- the repeatedly told lies that the Palestinians have rejected the 2SS many times, and stopping there. The devil in every deal is in the details. Why would the Palestinians aggree to accept a country without having control over its air space, sea, water resources, border, a country that will not have its army? Who will accept a country that can only establish a bilateral relations with another country subject to the approval of a third country (Israel)? Not to even mention the percentage of the land given. Come on dude! You can't be more pro-israel than its then Foreign Affairs minister Shilome ben-Ali who said that the Palestinians have only done what everyone would do. He would have said except you- maybe. Anyone who thinks this is nonsensical then I'm afraid he should have his head properly examined.

What made you think I am pro Israel or not? Why are you jumping from one assumption to the next. I specifically mentioned the 1947 UN resolution in the my comment which you attacked as a lie even after providing you further evidence.
Why can't you be humble enough to admit you were wrong.
Rather than apologize for accusing me of peddling falsehood you kept on with your crass ignorance and insults.

Justdare:
In all you wrote, you did not mention what a "fair response" from the IDF would have been for the criminality carried out on their land. lets have this debate

1. Sack all the failures who allowed the attack to happen despite having the plan and receiving warnings from Egypt and female spotters.

2. Close all the loopholes that Hamas exploited to get into Israel. Secure the borders of your country from your hostile neighbour.

3. In going after Hamas, make a clear distinction between Hamas fighters and civilians. Don't destroy homes just to make civilians feel bad. Don't cut off food, water and medication. Don't call them human animals or Amalekites. Don't kill entire families. Try to be surgical.

They saw Hamas fighters training to attack them in the open, and did nothing. Now they are killing innocent civilians. It should have been the other way round.

4. Go after the fighters and the people they report to when you have the opportunity to do so with minimal collateral damage, Take your time and do it right. The problem is not what they say that they are doing (going after Hamas) but how they are doing it (indiscriminate bombing and shooting everything that moves) and why they are doing it (rage & revenge).

What happened to Israel on October 7 was a war crime; it wasn't terrorism. Israel says that they gave Gaza to Palestinians as a state. Hamas is the government of that state. Israel seems to be their enemy. So their attack was an act of war and the atrocities were war crimes.

Justdare:
1. Why did the iron dome fail

Hamas started the attack by shooting thousands of rockets simultaneously to overwhelm the iron dome. The US had to replenish their supply soon afterwards. The Iron dome's weakness is its cost. Interceptors cost way more than Hamas rockets, and are more limited in supply.

2. Why wasn't there any response from the IDF in about 4 hours of murder and torture

Their telecommunications infrastructure was destroyed by drones in the beginning. They didn't have a full picture of what was going on. The soldiers that responded went in blind from town to town, and fought the invaders as they encountered them. There was a sea attack too,

3. Why wasn't any resistance at the party, 'cause every adult Israeli is a trained soldier (male and female)

They did not bring their guns to the party. Many Israeli soldiers lost their lives due to lack of weapons. The female spotters were massacred.

It is true that Netanyahu is capable of intentionally manipulating the military to divert resources away from the leftist south in order to have an excuse to pound Gaza. If he did, then he needs to be sacked for deliberately putting his country's women and children through hell.

Seun:
1. Sack all the failures who allowed the attack to happen despite having the plan and receiving warnings from Egypt and female spotters.

2. Close all the loopholes that Hamas exploited to get into Israel. Secure the borders of your country from your hostile neighbour.

3. In going after Hamas, make a clear distinction between Hamas fighters and civilians. Don't destroy homes just to make civilians feel bad. Don't cut off food, water and medication. Don't call them human animals or Amalekites. Don't kill entire families. Try to be surgical.

They saw Hamas fighters training to attack them in the open, and did nothing. Now they are killing innocent civilians. It should have been the other way round.

4. Go after the fighters and the people they report to when you have the opportunity to do so with minimal collateral damage, Take your time and do it right. The problem is not what they say that they are doing (going after Hamas) but how they are doing it (indiscriminate bombing and shooting everything that moves) and why they are doing it (rage & revenge).

1. There are currently protesters in Israel, calling for the resignation of Netanyahu, and all in charge of security. This will not happen because it was all a part of an agenda. And the Palestinians played right into it.

2. It is almost impossible to achieve this. Israel has the 4th largest military in the world and Hamas did not need any sophisticated equipment to infiltrate. They came in paragliders. It was as simple as standing on any tall building in Palestine and jump into Israel.

3. How do you differentiate between a people who don't want to be. The civilians actively hide and protect the fighters. They don't wear any special uniforms or gears. The Hamas fighters come out off the tunnels, shoot their pipe bombs and run back. That is their war plan in a nutshell. "Wear them out". Their hideouts are schools and hospitals. Children are their shields. How do you fight fair with a gunman shooting at you from behind a 10-year-old? As much as I abhor wars, I believe we all have a responsibility and duty to stay alive by all means necessary. As much as it saddens me to say this, all is fair in war. Nigeria employed the hunger tactic during her civil war. Maybe if she didn't we would be telling a different story.

cola:
Hopefully, sometime in the future, some blacks from Haiti, Cuba, Guyana, America, etc find the support of some superpower to establish a state for themselves in their 'original' land in Africa. The superpower will do anything to see them migrate because it is 'tired of their drugs and crimes '.

Hopefully they choose fertile areas of Ondo, Edo, Delta, Anambra and Abia and push the current inhabitants to bakassi or somewhere by power of force... bulldozing your homes and taking your lands and waters. The supporting superpower would do anything to ensure the new 'black nation' stands, because if it doesn't stand, the 'balcks' would be coming back with their 'drugs and crimes'.

Hopefully some people in other parts of the world label you terrorists for resisting people coming back to their roots, and who knows, they might also find some old scriptural text to justify your expulsion and killing...

Boom! Thank you, please the holier than thou people who worship the colonizers gods should come and answer this one, oh I forgot they are busy defending tb Joshua right now

The problem did not begin in oct 7th

God1000:
This conflict has exposed a lot of things and people as well.

I also condemned what Hamas did on October 7th but the response from Israel which has killed over 22,000 Palestinians and the insensitive and sadistic comments from some christians everyday is more shocking

How do you justify such massive deaths, destruction and displacement of the entire population just because of few Hamas

People with conscience should not be bystanders to history

I discovered a lot of people now dislike me because of my stance on this war, but I don't care

Israeli soldiers singing about genocide:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wY6GKu6jBc

South Africa speech against Israel at ICJ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufbfFTi38A

Justdare:
1. There are currently protesters in Israel, calling for the resignation of Netanyahu, and all in charge of security. This will not happen because it was all a part of an agenda. And the Palestinians played right into it.

It will happen because right now they are suppressing investigations into the failures that led to the October 7 attack. When more information comes out about the extent to which the govt failed at all levels during official investigations, Netanyahu will have to go. Netanyahu's no Gree for Palestinians philosophy has been helped by the Hamas attack, but his viability as a politician is gone. His Likud party has sunk in the polls. Even the West wants him gone.

2. It is almost impossible to achieve this. Israel has the 4th largest military in the world and Hamas did not need any sophisticated equipment to infiltrate. They came in paragliders. It was as simple as standing on any tall building in Palestine and jump into Israel.

They had machine guns on the fence which could have shot down the paragliders, but the machine guns and the telecoms infrastructure used to deploy them were vulnerable to simple drones that dropped grenades on them. They knew that the Palestinians were planning to use drones to disable their defences for a whole year and failed or chose not to adequately fortify them.

Seun:
It will happen because right now they are suppressing investigations into the failures that led to the October 7 attack. When more information comes out about the extent to which the govt failed at all levels during official investigations, Netanyahu will have to go. Netanyahu's no Gree for Palestinians philosophy has been helped by the Hamas attack, but his viability as a politician is gone. His Likud party has sunk in the polls. Even the West wants him gone.


They had machine guns on the fence which could have shot down the paragliders, but the machine guns and the telecoms infrastructure used to deploy them were vulnerable to simple drones that dropped grenades on them. They knew that the Palestinians were planning to use drones to disable their defences for a whole year and failed or chose not to adequately fortify them.

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We all ( or at least many of us ) know that humans beings died on October 7, 2023, not just Jews/israelis.
This was not anyone would like to happen to any group of men, women or children. Nonetheless, when memories go back to the atrocities that have been happening in that part of the world over the last 75 years, with the so-called civilized world looking the other way when Palestinian men, women and children were butchered, ignored, negated and described as " terrorists" when they were murdered by the thousands, the rest of us started looking at ourselves in a mirror, and asking: What if our lands were grabbed, our ordeal ignored, our men , women and children murdered over decades and decades, how would we act ? We even went from metaphysical to physical and asked " Let's consider the sun, is it shining for only one people or for all peoples ? no matter how restrictive this change of paradigm might sound to those who believe in the God of the Jews.
We at least know if the Jews think that the almighty God is only their God, then the Palestinians , as human beings just like the Jews, also have the right to say they are the Chosen People, because the sun does not sine for only one group of people, it shines for EVERYBODY, not withstanding the delusional ones who might think that sun is "their sun"

panafrican:
We all ( or at least many of us ) concede that humans beings died on October 7, 2023, not just Jews/israelis.
This was not anyone would like to happen to any group of men, women or children. Nonetheless, when memories go back to the atrocities that have been happening in that part of the world over the last 75 years, with the so-called civilized world looking the other way when Palestinian men, women and children were butchered, ignored, negated and described as " terrorists" when they were murdered by the thousands, the rest of us started looking at ourselves in a mirror, and asking: What if our lands were grabbed, our ordeal ignored, our men , women and children murdered over decades and decades, how would we act ? We even went from metaphysical to physical and asked " Let's consider the sun, is it shining for only one people or for all peoples ? no matter how restrictive this change of paradigm might sound to those who believe in the God of the Jews.
We at least know if the Jews think that the almighty God is only their God, then the Palestinians , as human beings just like the Jews, have also the right to say their are the Chosen People, because the sun does not sine for only one group of people, it shines for EVERYBODY, not withstanding the delusional ones who might think that sun is "their sun".

God bless you. You are the chosen people of the god I don't know nor believe in, so you are not special

cola:
Hmm...
BTW, what's it fighting?

Good morning sir

Seun:
I can't take my eyes off the conflict going on in Israel. I was raised to believe that the Jewish God is the true God. The Old Testament we studied is part of the Jewish scripture. Our bible heroes like Moses and David were Jewish heroes. Israeli music touches me because the language sounds so familiar, from all the bible reading.

When I heard that Israel was invaded by Hamas fighters from Gaza and they went from door to door shooting civilians for HOURS, I was shocked and disgusted. Then I learned that they were not just killed, they were tortured. Men, women and children were defiled, mutilated, kidnapped, blown up, had hands and legs chopped off, eyes gourged out, etc. while the Palestinian invaders laughed at them. I was disgusted with Hamas, but also disappointed with the Israel Defence Forces, and Netanyahu, who totally failed to protect their civilians.

We were totally on Israel's side at this point because what happened to their civilians was unforgivable. They surrounded Gaza and started pounding "Hamas targets". Within a short period of time, thousands of Palestinians had been killed. We started getting concerns when the bombing didn't stop. They just kept bombing everything. It was becoming difficult to believe that the same Israel army that was totally unaware that Hamas was planning a massive invasion suddenly knew the location of every Hamas operative in Gaza and was targeting them precisely.

Then we started to take note of the words of the Israeli leaders. The comment about blocking food and water from Gaza because the Palestinians are "human animals". The confession by the air force that they were focused on inflicting "maximum damage, not accuracy". Which means they didn't care about collateral damage anymore. Some of them talked about flattening Gaza and nuking Gaza. They were openly questioning the notion of innocent civilians in Gaza. Suggesting that the civilians deserved to die because they support Hamas. Netanyahu called them Amalekites, the tribe that God commanded the Jews in the bible to totally destroy - men, women, children, and animals.

At this point only muslim countries were complaining about Israel's actions. Western countries supported Israel's "right to defend itself".

Then we learned that Israel uses AI to choose targets and about half or more of them were "power targets" which were destroyed primarily to shock and dismay the Palestinians and not because destroying them had any military value. They intentionally demolished residential high rise buildings, the parliament building, university faculties, schools, etc. They used massive 2,000 pound bombs which increased the collateral damage. They drove Gazans out of their homes in the north into refugee camps in the south, which often got bombed. Nowhere in Gaza was safe. They stripped surviving men naked, blindfolded them, tied their hands, and called them terrorists.

Western countries started to change their tone. Joe Biden and Macron openly said that Israel was bombing Gaza indiscriminately. The US said that most bombs Israel dropped in Gaza were dumb bombs. Western newspapers started conducting investigative reports exposing Israel's atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. Then we learned that Israeli soldiers shot at 3 of their own escaped hostages, who had removed their shirts, and were waving a white flag on a stick. One of them ran into a building and they followed him there and shot him dead despite his pleas of mercy in Hebrew. They only realised that they made a mistake because one of the men had red hair, which is unusual for a Palestinian.

This is where we are today: Nobody believes that Israel is the moral army that they claimed to be. Nobody believes that they are precisely targeting Hamas fighters. Nobody believes that the government of Netanyahu and Ben Gvir genuinely wants peace. Everyone, not just the muslims, now believes that Israel's goal is to drive Palestinians out of Gaza (some of their officials have said it). The Economist openly called for Netanyahu to be fired. The US actually denied their request for attack helicopters, which is a first. That may have gotten to them, because they recently admitted that the missiles they used on a refugee camp were inappropriate and caused unnecessary civilian casualties.

However, Israelis are still in post October 7 rage mode. They can't understand why the world is against them after what Hamas did to them. They are not interested in conceding anything to the Palestinians for peace. Netanyahu will be removed for failure, but his replacement is unlikely to be a leftist hippie. Palestinians, on the other hand, support Hamas more than they did before, so peace looks very unlikely.

Hope you are getting paid for the pervasive Zionist Jew propaganda on this site. If the modern day Nazis want to promote their atrocities as “defending themselves”, at least let it cost them some lucre.

If the Arab enemies succeed in bringing Israel to its knees then you can question the validity of the biblical position and the Jewish Torah ( As unlikely as that is given countless trial and triumphs of this people's throughout history).

TAYO124:
If the Arab enemies succeed in bringing Israel to its knees then you can question the validity of the biblical position and the Jewish Torah ( As unlikely as that is given countless trial and triumphs of this people's throughout history).

Wetin dey occur now

Seun:
I can't take my eyes off the conflict going on in Israel. I was raised to believe that the Jewish God is the true God. The Old Testament we studied is part of the Jewish scripture. Our bible heroes like Moses and David were Jewish heroes. Israeli music touches me because the language sounds so familiar, from all the bible reading.

When I heard that Israel was invaded by Hamas fighters from Gaza and they went from door to door shooting civilians for HOURS, I was shocked and disgusted. Then I learned that they were not just killed, they were tortured. Men, women and children were defiled, mutilated, kidnapped, blown up, had hands and legs chopped off, eyes gourged out, etc. while the Palestinian invaders laughed at them. I was disgusted with Hamas, but also disappointed with the Israel Defence Forces, and Netanyahu, who totally failed to protect their civilians.

We were totally on Israel's side at this point because what happened to their civilians was unforgivable. They surrounded Gaza and started pounding "Hamas targets". Within a short period of time, thousands of Palestinians had been killed. We started getting concerns when the bombing didn't stop. They just kept bombing everything. It was becoming difficult to believe that the same Israel army that was totally unaware that Hamas was planning a massive invasion suddenly knew the location of every Hamas operative in Gaza and was targeting them precisely.

Then we started to take note of the words of the Israeli leaders. The comment about blocking food and water from Gaza because the Palestinians are "human animals". The confession by the air force that they were focused on inflicting "maximum damage, not accuracy". Which means they didn't care about collateral damage anymore. Some of them talked about flattening Gaza and nuking Gaza. They were openly questioning the notion of innocent civilians in Gaza. Suggesting that the civilians deserved to die because they support Hamas. Netanyahu called them Amalekites, the tribe that God commanded the Jews in the bible to totally destroy - men, women, children, and animals.

At this point only muslim countries were complaining about Israel's actions. Western countries supported Israel's "right to defend itself".

Then we learned that Israel uses AI to choose targets and about half or more of them were "power targets" which were destroyed primarily to shock and dismay the Palestinians and not because destroying them had any military value. They intentionally demolished residential high rise buildings, the parliament building, university faculties, schools, etc. They used massive 2,000 pound bombs which increased the collateral damage. They drove Gazans out of their homes in the north into refugee camps in the south, which often got bombed. Nowhere in Gaza was safe. They stripped surviving men naked, blindfolded them, tied their hands, and called them terrorists.

Western countries started to change their tone. Joe Biden and Macron openly said that Israel was bombing Gaza indiscriminately. The US said that most bombs Israel dropped in Gaza were dumb bombs. Western newspapers started conducting investigative reports exposing Israel's atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. Then we learned that Israeli soldiers shot at 3 of their own escaped hostages, who had removed their shirts, and were waving a white flag on a stick. One of them ran into a building and they followed him there and shot him dead despite his pleas of mercy in Hebrew. They only realised that they made a mistake because one of the men had red hair, which is unusual for a Palestinian.

This is where we are today: Nobody believes that Israel is the moral army that they claimed to be. Nobody believes that they are precisely targeting Hamas fighters. Nobody believes that the government of Netanyahu and Ben Gvir genuinely wants peace. Everyone, not just the muslims, now believes that Israel's goal is to drive Palestinians out of Gaza (some of their officials have said it). The Economist openly called for Netanyahu to be fired. The US actually denied their request for attack helicopters, which is a first. That may have gotten to them, because they recently admitted that the missiles they used on a refugee camp were inappropriate and caused unnecessary civilian casualties.

However, Israelis are still in post October 7 rage mode. They can't understand why the world is against them after what Hamas did to them. They are not interested in conceding anything to the Palestinians for peace. Netanyahu will be removed for failure, but his replacement is unlikely to be a leftist hippie. Palestinians, on the other hand, support Hamas more than they did before, so peace looks very unlikely.

If you don't know what to say just shut up! See how you just got yourself disgraced. You know nothing so stfu and focus on growing your business. Seun you know absolutely nothing about this war