Seun:
Nobody has offered them a two state solution in decades. Netanyahu instigated the murder of a PM who wanted to offer it to them. And he was blamed for it, yet just 3 years later after a terrorist attack, they voted him in. Netanyahu has admitted that he is against the establishment of a Palestinian State. So it is disingenuous to suggest that it's the Palestinians who don't want it.

Both sides believe that the whole land belongs to them. Both sides would like to push the other side out. Israel wants to push Palestinians into neighbouring Arab countries. Palestinians want Jews to return to Europe and America "where they came from". This is not an issue of picking sides.

Moneyyyy09:
If you like create a thousand thread to condemn the killing it won't stop anything because this war will continue till thy kingdom come. But hopefully in the next 1000 years there would be peace but I doubt it.
Because the bible said Israelite would continuously be at war but they will always be winning.
Make una take note they never born your papa papa papa before this war started and think about how many war Israel don fight.

MrProlific95:
Israel is a country that have been looking for an excuse to nuke Gaza for long. The Hamas attack was just a perfect opportunity. I think the war will end if the Republicans emerge victorious in U.S Presidential elections. Rumor has it that The US is involved in almost every major conflict around the world.

Democrats are just warmonger's and they will continue to engineer the Gaza Israeli conflict

God1000:
This conflict has exposed a lot of things and people as well.

I also condemned what Hamas did on October 7th but the response from Israel which has killed over 22,000 Palestinians and the insensitive and sadistic comments from some christians everyday is more shocking

How do you justify such massive deaths, destruction and displacement of the entire population just because of few Hamas

People with conscience should not be bystanders to history

I discovered a lot of people now dislike me because of my stance on this war, but I don't care

ElSudani:


I didn't get my information from Nairaland. A simple Google search will give you all the information you need on the subject.

FiftyFifty:


Most information on Nairaland are even more credible than most information one can get in Google, especially when it involves Israel. We all know who owns Google by the way. Just because a lie has been repeatedly told doesn't change the fact that it's still a lie.

To the topic, the only Israeli PM who showed commitment to the 2SS was Yitzhak Rabin based on the 1993 Oslo Accord, and it was on that commitment that he got assassinated publicly by Yigal Amir, a jewish extremist in 1995.

The camp David Summit in the year 2000 came fairly close to creating a 2SS during Ehud Barak. It came crashing down when Barak warned the Americans that he could not accept giving the Palestinians more than a purely symbolic sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem. In total, Israel demanded that Palestine's territory in East Jerusalem be reduced to eight sections including six small enclaves. Palestinians objected to the lack of sovereignty and to the right of Israel to keep Jewish neighbourhoods that it built over the Green Line in East Jerusalem.

The Israel also wanted to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along the Palestinian-Jordanian border.

Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River.

One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management. Israeli control of water resources in the new (almost) Palestinian state, along with de facto Israeli control over borders and the total demilitarisation of the Palestinian state basically guarantees that Palestine would be an Israeli state.

Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote that Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram Al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept a 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.

Shlomo Ben-Ami, then Israel's Minister of Foreign Relations who participated in the talks stated on Democracy now in 2006 that "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well." Who would not- if I may ask? You, maybe.

The Palestinians compromised quite a bit. They started by asking for a state based on pre 1967 borders. The Israelis rejected that so they asked for borders based on 1967. The Israelis also rejected that so they asked for complete control over the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis rejected that. And the same Palestinians are unjustly accused by people like you of rejecting the 2SS.

These and more are all documented by even the Israeli media such as the Haretz and by many Israeli authors such as Uri Avnery, Dan Cohen, and Ilan Pappe, among others.

How some people try at-all-cost to be more Jews than the Jews themselves, baffles me.

Roger3D:
Israelis are land grabbers and proponents of Apartheid. They should hand over the land they stole back to it's rightful owners

ElSudani:


You've written a whole bunch of nonsensical stuff which is unrelated to what I said about the UN resolution in 1947 which could have created two states in Palestine.
Here it is; educate yourself and there are tons of information on the subject. I didn't make any of it up.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/11/19/israel-palestine-a-short-history-of-the-two-state-solution_6269446_4.html

FiftyFifty:


Lol. I thought you're brilliant even if not intelligent enough to know that the devil in every deal lies in the details. Sadly I'm wrong. What you posted reiterated what every right-thinking person is saying, that the 2SS proposals have always been unfair to the Palestinian people. The Jewish tiny population most of whom migrated and settled there only recently was given "55 percent of Palestine." Then the "dispossession of the majority indigenous population (Palestinians) in favour of the recently settled Jewish migrants..." This is from the article you posted. Did you now see where the "devil" is or it's stil beyond your comprehension?
Let me ask you this, if I come to your village where your ancestors have lived all their lives throughout history and tell you that someone has written somewhere that god (whoever that is) has promised me your home centuries ago, what will be your reaction? I hope this easy-to-grasp analogy is also not beyond your comprehension.

FiftyFifty:


The Jewish tiny population most of whom migrated and settled there only recently was given "55 percent of Palestine."

kkins25:

I wonder what happened to the indigenous Jews..

ElSudani:


They left over two thousand of years ago. By the time Israel was established over 70% of the population of Palestine were Arabs.
This is the grouse of the Arabs. But sometimes you have to be pragmatic in dealing with issues, especially one on which your very survival is hinged.

kkins25:


You're right. They certainly left the earth. Unfortunately, they are resting on the Bossoms of Abraham, blessing YHWH for empowering the Jews to reclaim the holy land.

My memory juggles and takes me back to the time my mom would have me read Psalms 24 and 23 around the house. Let us accept it as the WILL of Allah, for it is written,

"The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein."

Don't you agree, Elsudani, that the lord could make such a verdict---allow the Jews dwell on the "promised land"?

Plus, it is also written,

"23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

As you can see, ElSudani, the Lord fulfills his promise, allowing the Jews to capture the Air, Water, and resources. Now, the cup of the Jew runneth over and the goodness and mercy of the Lord follows them all the days of their life.

kkins25:

I wonder what happened to the indigenous Jews..

ElSudani:


Look at the current map again and tell us if in hindsight the Palestinians should not have taken the opportunity to have their own state and then fight from a position of power rather than to forever be at the mercy of Israel.
My initial post was not for or against Israel, I have no horse in the race. I was just stating the facts which you immediately attacked as something being peddled on Nairaland.
I then provided you with more facts, now you are hurling insults.
Let's put this to rest, at least you learned something you did not know before.

FiftyFifty:


"Most of whom..." ought to have answered your question. Most is not all...

FiftyFifty:


You accused me of writing "a whole bunch of nonsensical stuff" and you're now also accusing me of insulting you... I've indeed learned something, that some people can be funny.

Adaisback:
Leave the Israelites alone you nor dey hear. Leave them and their God alone . Go to the book of Amos and read about what is happening today.
God promised to punish the Israelites coz of their sins and homosexual lifestyles that was why he allowed Gazans to get to them so badly in the first place. In that same book of Amos, the same God also promised to deal with the Gazans ( specifically mentioned ) for killing and beheading the Israelites. So you see, I will advise that you leave this matter jeje like me and face Naija and our problems coz if the God of Israel should dare remember you, he go squeeze you and nairaland like orange ni o. No other God can dare him o. Not Amadioha , not Allah, not the gods of Egypt and not Shiva of India , infact have you ever heard that there is a god that dare the God of Israel? The ten ancient gods of Egypt will tell you better. Seun, Biko a word is enough for the wise. I love you, your family and everything about you including nairaland and will not want anything to happen to you. Dalu!

kb83:
Israel is becoming what they are fighting.

ElSudani:


You were denying what is basically an historical fact, calling it a lie being peddled on Nairaland! That is absolutely nonsensical.

God1000:
This conflict has exposed a lot of things and people as well.

I also condemned what Hamas did on October 7th but the response from Israel which has killed over 22,000 Palestinians and the insensitive and sadistic comments from some christians everyday is more shocking

How do you justify such massive deaths, destruction and displacement of the entire population just because of few Hamas

People with conscience should not be bystanders to history

I discovered a lot of people now dislike me because of my stance on this war, but I don't care