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| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 7:20am On Jan 15, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* I simply stated the truth. I don’t blame you for being hurt - the truth is painful. Tell us (though we know the answer): can you deviate from a position adopted by JW higher-ups, no matter how asinine it is?? Even something unequivocally written in the Bible like saved by grace, you insist we are saved by works because that's the position they adopted! As for TB, are your OK? They are all agreed on so many incidents. I told you before, I've followed this a long time and know it in detail - and my position has nothing to do with BBC. Stoo arguing something you don't know much about. And you don't watch videos I posted which were put online years ago, long before BBC. 90% of what's been said over the years never made it into BBC. Videos that have been online for years, all saying the same thing! Here's another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c4r2lxYiXY?si=cftOxNSjhQUwTUW_ |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:37am On Jan 15, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Calling a church name shows you don't know the truth because i never came here to mention a church name rather stating facts as written in God's word. Stop the blackmail and use the scriptures to back your arguments that's what i've been doing since i didn't mention the name of any church here since the thread is all about a man and not a church. BBC did what is WRONG! That was a biased documentary while they're interviewing those saying negative things about the dead man they should have also interviewed those who will emotionally speak about the good things he has done for them! |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 3:09pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* And so it is settled (not that we didn't know b4): You can't deviate from a position adopted by JW higher-ups, no matter how asinine it might be!! I have been using the scriptures. Here's one below. We are still waiting for you to tell us how it means that salvation is from works: ■[[(Ephesians 2:8-9) It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” ]]■ You are trying to make this about BBC. JW is fixated on BBC, fearing an exposé. Well, it is NOT about BBC, it is about TB. All this info and much more have been out there and online long b4 BBC came along! |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:16pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Are you saying TB Joshua doesn't have such faith? ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 3:38pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* You keep asking the same questions over and over. I'll simply re-post my earlier answers. See them below. Study them at your leisure: ------------------------ It is more what a Christian should NOT be doing. Christians are humans and are not sinless at all, but there are things that mark one as not a Christian at all - things like believing in and using the powers of another entity altogether ----------------------- I hardly need to answer this. A Buddhist can say he is a Christian but people who know him and worked with him closely will testify he's a Buddhist, as in this video below and the one before! ------------------------- As I told u, a Christian doesn't believe in Hindu or Buddhist gods, neither is he a traditionalist, atheist, or moslem. He believes in Christ! |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:49pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:TB Joshua claimed he believe in Christ Jesus so if you're saying he was using another power can you prove it without the stories from his enemies? Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis all accused Jesus of using demonic power! Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15 So explain (without what others are saying) that TB Joshua was using another power apart from faith in Christ Jesus! ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 3:56pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* Try to actually watch the video below. Then meditate on it. It was posted online in 2021, long before BBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c4r2lxYiXY?si=ODCFJ3y2sGraDapy |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:25pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:This is what i'm saying! Use the scriptures not videos. Miracle is miracle anyhow it's performed. Jesus foretold that many will perform miracles in his name (not magic) yet he doesn't know them! Matthew 7:21-23 So if you don't know how to use the scriptures in setting matters straight on this issue please forget it i'm not interested in your videos have you seen how your pastors are performing their own miracles? So what has this video got to do with judging what is right or wrong? |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 6:06pm On Jan 15, 2024*. Modified: 6:47pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* Kindly, this is like talking to a totally tone-deaf person with a touch of kolo. ![]() How many times will you be told, these are NOT Pharisees and Sadducees, these are his closest and most intimate disciples who lived with him for years and saw everything first hand, all saying the same thing! And it's not only them, there are also outsiders saying the same things. I've already told you of his mother warning him not to use their dark powers; I've already told you of a devastated young girl who had never been to SCOAN who narrated how she lost her virginity to TB in a hotel room, etc. You want absolute proof, do you have absolute proof about anything? Do you have absolute proof you are not dreaming all this, or absolute proof the apostles wrote the Gospels, etc.? Stop defending what you know in your heart is not kosher just because JW have come out in support of it - out of fear they could be next! Remember, there is consequence to supporting evil. Also, if anyone had any doubts b4, this support further proves JW is NOT a wholesome organization |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:26pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Guy it's obvious you have no scriptural based points to back up your lies that's why you're trying to use cheap blackmail! ![]() Jesus of Nazareth gathered thousands of disciples but many of them turned back from following him and they never returned! John 6:66 So when false witnesses were called to come and testify against Jesus do you think it's the disciples of Pharisees? Come on, use your brain! Anyone following the Pharisees have been warned strictly not to believe in Jesus or they will be expelled from the synagogues! John 9:22 So all those witnesses used against Jesus were his former disciples who are now trying to gain the approval of their religious leaders and at the same time make some money like Judas Iscariot? ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 7:01pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* You know, it is one thing to say things out of ignorance, it is quite another to be a willful liar. God forgive me for even mentioning TB and Lord Jesus together. Christ had his closest associates and helpers who were called the 12 - the apostles. Mention ONE who wrote things about him alá all these TB's closests about him. You quote scriptures when NECESSARY! You don't use it as a means of obfuscation. I quoted scriptures when warranted, and we are still waiting to hear from you how it means that salvation is from works! ■[[(Ephesians 2:8-9) It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” ]]■ |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:37pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Guy what you and i are reading about Jesus in the Bible was written by his FRIENDS not his enemies but if you want to know what his own people are saying about him today just do yourself a favour by traveling to Israel to hear what his own people have to say. That's why most people are saying the NT was fabricated because what was written inside has no backup among the Jews till today! If i want to discuss with a Jew today even if he is from the same family with Jesus there are scriptures in the OT written by their prophets to prove that Jesus is the Christ not what those living in the first century said. So his disciples and Apostles only witnessed what the prophets foretold so even though a Jew found it difficult to believe in Jesus their own scriptures has proved that Jesus is the promised Messiah (Christ) So i'm not just following what his first century disciples wrote there are scripturally based points that no Jewish Rabbi can refute. ![]() PoliteActivist:This is what James wrote: Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works, and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called Jehovah’s friend. You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. In the same manner, was not Raʹhab the prostitute also declared righteous by works after she received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way? Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead! James 2:18-26 |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 8:56pm On Jan 15, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* That's what I mean by being a willful LIAR. Christ CALLED 12 men who became his closest associates. TB also called his own closest associates - he asked them to stay behind and live in the synagogue and be his closest confidants. You've been asked to mention ONE of the 12 who wrote TB about Christ. You were asked to tell us how one DIRECT and EXTREMELY CLEAR verse in the Bible said salvation is dependent on works and you go beating about the bush as usual! |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:49am On Jan 16, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:God's word stated clearly: "Just as the body without spirit is dead so also FAITH without WORKS is DEAD" James 2:26 I think where you have issues now is what type of WORKS Paul talked about and what type was James emphasizing? Because from what is written in God's word James expressly stated that WORKS really count not just FAITH! As for TB Joshua's case i know you're troubled as i've persistently maintained that you have no scripturally based points to condemn him the man surely had FAITH and his WORKS still speaks loudly even after his death because many are testifying to the WORKS he did through the gift of SIGNS and WONDERS he possessed. So what you don't know and trying to bury now is the type of FAITH and WORKS the Bible is referring to and how TB Joshua never met the criteria to qualify as a Christian of course the same yardstick disqualified all the others you may think are servants of God today that's why you don't want further discussion on that! ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by Courz: 2:30am On Jan 16, 2024*. Modified: 2:50am On Jan 16, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Guy, I've been following your conversation with that dunce and I can see you are really taking him seriously. I knew you would get to this stage where he would begin to exhibit his Madness. For your info, Mad MaxinDhouse is Schizophrenic. He twists very simple words to mean something else. He twists Bible verses and can make Almighty God and Jesus Liars in order to prove his Cult right. He contradicts himself a lot. He is a chronic Liar. We call him Mad MaxinDhouse because he is a disgrace to anything human. He is not mentally okay. He has been told this numerous times by numerous people in this forum including his fellow JWs. He adores TB Joshua and that shows that he is Evil like him. For the sake of your sanity, stop taking the conversation serious. We that call him Mad MaxinDhouse know how to handle him, infact, he runs away when we tackle him. Mad MaxinDhouse doesn't follow Jesus Christ. He completely disregards the words of Christ. He once called Jesus a Deceiver/Liar. He never agrees with whatever is stated in the Bible. He disagrees with the fact that Jesus is The Way The Truth and The Life. He is a prime example of JWs not being followers of Jesus. In fact, his utterances help to confirm that more and more. Because of this, his fellow JWs read his comments , become ashamed and deny him flat. They have called him Apostate 3 good times. He disgraces JWs in this forum and his comments help to amplify the fact that they are a Cult. Mad MaxinDhouse is denying the claims of TB Joshua exposé simply because his Cult (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society) has also been exposed for some years now for the same thing. You can see that Like minds flock together. That's why he is so much behind TB Joshua. The same way BBC exposed TB Joshua is the same way they exposed JW and other foreign news stations have exposed them as well. Their dirty laundry is in public online of which JWs have been banned by their leaders from viewing. So, Mad MaxinDhouse has decided to carry TB Joshua's matter on his head. This is to tell you what JW is truly about. The same way members of SCOAN have been acting since this exposure is the exact same way JWS behave. There are many similarities between TB Joshua and JW. So, don't be surprised Mad MaxinDhouse is backing up TB Joshua with all his might. |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 3:37am On Jan 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* Friend, are all these below true about you? Do they call you Mad MaxinDhouse, etc.? You were NOT asked what is dead or not. You were simply asked to interpret that passage you were given to somehow mean that salvation is dependent on works! You know NOTHING about TB. I'm sure you know in your heart he's not kosher. Your ONLY reason for supporting evil is that JW say you do so. I already told you there are consequences to supporting evil - rest assured, sooner or later it'd come back to you in one form or another! Courz: |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:56am On Jan 16, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Gbam! Now it's obvious you're looking for any support you could get against me but that's your own cup of coffee. Documentary upon documentary! ![]() James said FAITH without WORKS is DEAD! James 2:26 So what WORKS was he talking about that without it FAITH is useless? As for TB Joshua i know him, his extended families, his home town, his times of struggle, his guardian who trained him here in Lagos and how he begged the family for assistance to travel to America and later returned just few months later to tell the whole family that they shouldn't bother anymore because he has found something that will make him popular and wealthy to the extent of sponsoring people to America. All of these and many more i can tell you about him including ìbẹ́gbẹ́ festival in Arigidi Àkókó that Joshua always send food stuffs for the festival which is marked every 9 years. One thing i won't take is for religionists of the same page to come and start rubbishing him as if they're anything better than him! ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 3:55pm On Jan 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* Friend, I neither sought nor need support from anybody. I simply asked you if what someone posted about you is true. Your statements about TB already told me you don't know much. Right from onset you said and kept saying that everything was from BBC. Nobody who knows anything would be saying that. All these videos below were put online years before BBC. As to works, you are doing your best to sidestep your simple assignment: interpret the below to us to mean that Salvation is from works and NOT a gift from God: 1■[[(Ephesians 2:8-9) It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast” ]]■ Never mind what is dead or not!
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| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:17pm On Jan 16, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:I've told you that when it comes to blackmail i know a lot more than you can think of. TB Joshua is not an angel just like all other humans but to set up accusers all over the Internet means there's something fishy not just about his blunders. PoliteActivist:I won't tell you since you believe in quoting without expatiating i have also quoted God's word telling you that FAITH without WORKS is DEAD! James 2:26 So if you're not interested in knowing the type of WORKS James is talking about then TB Joshua remains what people call him: the man of God! ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 6:29pm On Jan 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* At least we've reached conclusions: 1) You’re unable to interpret the passage to mean salvation is NOT a gift from God but what people earn 2) You thought everything about TB was from BBC, not knowing scandals about him have been online years b4 BBC knew he existed. TB was friends with and protected by the powers that be (the exact opposite of Christ) to such extent that even when his building collapsed and killed over a hundred people, he was able to sweep it under the rug! |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by Emusan(m): 6:36pm On Jan 16, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:I love @color part. You have confessed with your mouth that TB Joshua is A MAN OF GOD. |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:30pm On Jan 16, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:OK he supposed to raise them all back to life shey? "Guy FAITH without WORKS is DEAD" Says God's word so if you can't explain what type of WORKS James was talking about then it's OK leave TB Joshua alone he is a man of God to those believing in him and nothing you or BBC can do to change that! ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 9:21pm On Jan 16, 2024*. Modified: 3:47pm On Jan 17, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:*Politeness* Why don't you try having your building collapse and kill 116 people and see if you'll get "lucky" like TB and absolutely no one charged with anything. You keep being mixed up about salvation, works, faith. Salvation is a gift of God. No amount of works or "righteousnesses" from you can earn it. Faith naturally leads to works, has nothing to do with salvation being a gift from God! Final assignment: find out where the following are in the Bible. Ciao! *We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags *There is no one righteous, not even one *A man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. *For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. *It is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast
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| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:12am On Jan 17, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:So he is the engineer who did the work shey? ![]() This is not the first time buildings has been collapsing throughout the world either by one thing or another so charging an African owner for murder is senseless and unconstitutional if other countries never prosecute the owners of collapsed structures in their own countries. PoliteActivist:I gave you just one assignment you dodge it but coming up with yours shey? Ọmọ find out what WORKS render FAITH useless {James 2:20} because my own Bible says "FAITH without WORKS is DEAD" James 2:26 It's either you figure that out or leave the matter and continue with your FAITH without WORKS! ![]() |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by AgentNairaland(f): 11:08am On Jan 18, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Who is supporting evil? Ajoke lies has been exposed Seek for the truth before supporting nonsense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCJBdhrON0k
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| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by Emusan(m): 1:48pm On Jan 18, 2024 |
MaxInDHouse:If I tell you the reason you always cite scripture and not quoting them is because it will expose your lies and ignorance of the scripture, you'll think it's hatred to you or Watchtower. Jesus never FORETOLD that many will PERFORM MIRACLES in HIS NAME and He doesn't know them. Rather, what Jesus said was that, MANY WILL CLAIM THEY DO MIRACLES IN HIS NAME. Even though scripture says the Antichrist will even call down fire from heaven yet NOT IN CHRIST' NAME Fake miracle will not even happen under Jesus name because the name of Jesus is above every NAME. |
| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by PoliteActivist: 7:30am On Jan 19, 2024 |
AgentNairaland:*Politeness* You people should stop disgracing yourselves. Stop trying to obfuscate by fixating on this woman that is not important at all to the TB saga. Accept that TB was flawed and into socery, then focus on cleaning up your church and building it to new heights. There's too much out there about TB and too many people talking for years for you to fool anybody!
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| Re: Nothing Will Change Our Loyalty To T.B. Joshua – Worshippers by AgentNairaland(f): 9:34am On May 16, 2024 |
PoliteActivist:Why not fight with the dead in grave or better join him at where he is to express your grievances |
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