Blueelf:


Loll, I don't agree with you at all

I have watched Christian Nwoke of Sporting Lagos and that guy makes School boy mistakes

Meanwhile, the Maduka is the starting GK of Udinese and has had recent good form

Oga, this your submission is not it at all. Christian Nwoke ke? lollllll

if no be say u Dey intentionally jonse well well here pple wey U sabi watch ball here too plenty

I don't know about you guys, but I'm quite unbothered by the outcome of yesterday's game. Maybe because like I said earlier, the players have exceeded all expectations. They did well.

Blueelf:


Loll, I don't agree with you at all

I have watched Christian Nwoke of Sporting Lagos and that guy makes School boy mistakes

Meanwhile, the Maduka is the starting GK of Udinese and has had recent good form

Oga, this your submission is not it at all. Christian Nwoke ke? lollllll

You watched Nwoke? School boy mistakes?

Okay give an example

who saw uzoho face yesterday

so onyedikachi and bruno no kick ball. I doubt they will honor any call up again

mrwilliams9:


End of story. We get 2-3 proper midfielders and our defense doesn’t have to do as much work.

The proper midfielders are there...

2 of them were on the bench while 1 wasn't invited.

It’s really funny how fans just switch up. What I saw from all the players was 150% commitment. They gave their best. Let’s not transfer negativity from the daily struggles, to fellow Nigerians who are equally trying to make something out of life at the same time giving their best to their fatherland/motherland.

safarigirl:


You get?

I don't know why empathy is such a foreign concept to fans.

Do they think they're more affected by the loss than players themselves? These tournaments are part of the players careers, they are used in their profiles and used to judge the success of the career. You wey no dey pitch, no fit dey more interested in the win than the people who give 90 minutes of their sweat on that pitch, so, to pile on them on top their own feelings of failure is wicked.

Meliforme:
The coach's game plan limited Iwobi. Peseiro's plan was to loop the ball from the defense to attack and the midfield to try recover the ball when it didn't get through, that might be the reason Onyeka had a more advanced role: to recover the ball and make forward drives, since he has more pace and is also better defensively. Iwobi's role wasn't as loud, that's why many didn't notice.

Onyeka did not have an advanced role.

That's how Onyeka plays for Brentford..

iwobi was been very careful probably due to red card he got at the last AFCON.

iwobi was letting players run past him, ball watching, expecting passes to be played directly to his feet, when a player passes to Iwobi and the pass is not directly to his feet even if iwobi can jog to the pass iwobi would stand still and watch the pass go past him.
iwobi did this in most of the matches.

Peseiro did not have a plan, looping the ball from defense to attack has always been a Nigerian way of playing football.

TheGoodJoe:


What your saying is devoid of facts and reality. How can you relate tiki taka to negativity? When Tiki Taka in its purest is about creating waves and loads of scoring chances.

Look at the screenshot below of Manchester City in their last two games. How can you say negative?

As for Spain, they got to the finals of the last Euros and won the Nations League. Defeats your horrible theory.

You pick the results that buttresses your argument and ignore the ones that don't. Ultimately no system of football guarantees you results all the time. Tiki taka has succeeded and failed. Park the bus has failed and succeeded too. Don't put one on a pedestal like it's the ultimate. That's my point.

Barryseal:

Spin it how you like but expecting to beat Ivory coast black and blue using Germany VS Brazil as a case in point defies logic or any color of rationality.
If you draw strength and courage from that sort of asinine postulation, it's pretty much how you put it, misdiagnosis.

Is it the players who made such postulation? How does the postulations of fans translate into the performance of team? You dey reason so?

Kayyy:
My verdict, we have done well, we have exceeded the expectations we had going to the tournament, no one gave that squad a chance to get to the final,the problems we had in the final today was a problem that was obvious for over 6 months or even our world cup qualification. We had a patched midfield that did well getting to the finals but was badly exposed today. No point feeling bad , I can only praise them.

Now my reaction to this, enough of huge ego of we have too many talents and any player that doesn't want to play for us should not come, it's time to build our TEAM, qualifying for semi finals and Finals in Afcon and loosing should not continue to be a habit, it was obvious we needed ball carriers and runners to help Onyeka's hardwork in that midfield but lacked it soon much. Now we need to go find them. We need 2 technical teams from the nff that should go round and convince players to play for Nigeria, we have to many diaspora talents that we can't just relax and say we can't beg them infact from the English league, Italian league, German league we can build a squad from them, while watching that final today I could just imagine having a runner like Ogbene of Luton town and a ball carrier like Eze along with Onyeka we would counter that ivory coast team like demons. We gave our attackers especially Osihmen little chance., It's time to go and reach out and convince the diaspora talents more

The second technical team should focus on the local league and African league and find talents there too. We should not be patching up a squad with few weeks/ months to the to tournament, there is another Afcon next year we have work to do. Thanks very much.

Ejuke is a ball carrier, he wasn't called up.

Osimhen is also a ball carrier but he didn't want to help the midfield.

iwobi is also a ball carrier but he under-performed.

TheGoodJoe:


If that is how you want the Super Eagles playing, that is okay.

I detest it because as our last game showed, there is no footballing growth. It is just hiding behind mediocrity.

I trust you read where I said that I don't like negative football.

And we should be realistic in our assessment. JPes adopted this pragmatic approach in response to the situation. We suffered depletion of key personnel. And he did what he had to do in the circumstances.

lovewins:


Sometimes you've just got to gamble and hope it works out cause at the point we have nothing to lose. We've had same midfield problem for many years and if giving Eletu, Akinsomiro and Daga a chance will potentially be a solution we should go all in. Simon Adingra who did the most damage yesterday is 22.

Chukwueze was also 22 when he shown at 2019 afcon

Mk we hear word abeg

Mujtahida:

You pick the results that buttresses your argument and ignore the ones that don't. Ultimately no system of football guarantees you results all the time. Tiki taka has succeeded and failed. Park the bus has failed and succeeded too. Don't put one on a pedestal like it's the ultimate. That's my point.

him don crawl out na just because the team lost

If say dem win this trophy u for no hear peeem from him 🤣

Oasis007:


Good Morning Famz. Lets applaud the boys, no need to blame anyone, coz we should remember they beat our expectations.

We should let them breathe and rather focus on what should be done to improve the team.

Congratulations to Nigeria and the boys.

Always we should remember that this thing is not easy. Yes, they are professionals but still let us always be moderate in our criticisms.

Mujtahida:

Nwakali, the god of Nigerian football. That's why charlesemeka85 opposes them bitterly. They are delusional

Im pissed that in a bid to make Nwakali better, they are trashing Iwobi. The same Iwobi that we knew was a game changer in that 21 AFCON but missed due to that card.


In a pool of over 100players to make NT and we hear Nwakali for the last 3 afcons, you'll think he's the next Toni Kroos or David Silva. It's now disgusting and unbearable.

Peseiro has built a tough team. No team can beat us easily. We block every spaces and pressure our opponents till they make mistakes. The only missing link is a good midfield that can create chance and break play effectively. I expect to see more new faces as the world cup qualifiers approaches

Can you imagine 😡

charlesemeka85:
him don crawl out na just because the team lost

If say dem win this trophy u for no hear peeem from him 🤣

No mind am. We played expansive football last Afcon. Dem knack us out after first round. This time we got to the finals. Algeria boasted the highest possession. Na first round dem waka go house. Spain use tiki taka dazzle the world in 2010. In 2014 Holland show dem pepper and they were bundled them out first round. So make nobody come crown one system of football as the ultimate. Just say I like it when we play so and so way. None guarantees you results all the time.

daveP:


Im pissed that in a bid to make Nwakali better, they are trashing Iwobi. The same Iwobi that we knew was a game changer in that 21 AFCON but missed due to that card.


In a pool of over 100players to make NT and we hear Nwakali for the last 3 afcons, you'll think he's the next Toni Kroos or David Silva. It's now disgusting and unbearable.

It's rather regrettable that Nwakali may never be invited but walahi I can bet you that if he's invited you will see no significant difference on our game.

The truth we failed to tell ourselves is that we rode our luck to the final if we're to be honest, it was largely due to the sheer determination, "Naija no dey carry last" mentality and collective will of the team that brought us this far in the tournament, and not much of any managerial/coaching genius move from Peseiro who I think is an outdated below average coach. If reports about him not extending his contract are true, then I hope NFF pay him off, shake hands with him and wish him all the best.

Right now, we should try everything within our means to get either that Angolan coach, Equatorial Guinea or even the Mauritanian coach (those guys know how to coach), those are teams that actually played very good football and looked very well coached. Otherwise we might have to take a chance with an Amunike/Finidi and hope they get it right tactically.

As for the players...I think it's way overdue to start integrating new and fresh faces and ideas into the team...Iwobi for example seems overworked and out of ideas already, maybe it's time to try the likes of Dele-Bashiru, Ifeanyi Matthew, Michael Folrunsho, Nwakali, Victor Eletu and even Chuba Akpom in those creative plugs? It's borderline unacceptable that we keep parading a razor thin
midfield every time! A new coach with modern football IQ shouldn't struggle to invite 6-7 midfielders per game so we can actually dominate ball possession and pass the balls into channels to create overloads of chances for the forwards.

For the attack we look good, but surely the likes of Nathan Tella (who is settling in really well at Leverkusen), Gift Orban should now be integrated into the team...with Boniface/Osimhen as our main targetmen we should be fine.

Musa pls go far away from the NT and retire like a man that truly loves his nation...Chukwueze should be on permanent probation NOW, Simon Moses is still a good utility player off the bench.

Defence should feature new players like Igoh Ogbu, Adabarabioyo, Gab Osho (Luton town), and then we keep Captain Ekong for experience. We don't really need the likes of Awaziem anymore tbh, Omeruo can be kept around as a utility player for experience as well. We should also invite that lad from the NPFL who plays for Remo stars (Sodiq Ismail), the guy sabi cross, Zaidu no be am at all.

Goal-keeping is still a shuffle but Nwabali has definitely earned a good case for himself as the #1 man...Okoye seems to be getting into his groove with Udinese so he should be brought back to give more competition...then the likes of Adeleye, Arthur Okonkwo, Obasogie and one or two home based GKs should be monitored for call up's depending on their form.

I rest my case.

safarigirl:


Please don't be stupid in my mentions.

How can the ordinary Nigerian be more concerned about football than who wins elections?

Do you know how many people have died in avoidable circumstances because of Bulaba's policies? Do you know how many lives have been ruined long term?

Please, don't provoke me with stupid talk this night. Bag of rice is 77k, dollar is 1,500. The hardship will not stop because you won one football trophy, so, Super Eagles is not and can never be more important than who is President.

Please, talk like an adult that pays tax, can't be talking like one small child without responsibilities

There are different sizes when it comes to bag of rice and other foods. You don't have to buy the 77k rice when there is 10kg rice, 25kg Rice e.t.c.

Dollar is not the currency Nigeria uses and it's rate has to do with the large population of the country relative to Nigeria's exports and is decided by World Slavery Bank and International Slavery Fund as a way for them to reduce Nigeria's population not Ti:nubu's policies...

Unless you want the pre:sident to kill 150 million Nigerians overnight that 1500 is going to reach 2000 - 3000 so better be prepared..

Barryseal:

Lets be real, pound for pound they have better midfield than us. [/b]I feel the occasion got to our players and they frooze

Fact. From the onset we weren't sure footed at all. Misplaced passes and drawing unnecessary fouls. We were shaky.

Mujtahida:

Is it the players who made such postulation? How does the postulations of fans translate into the performance of team? You dey reason so?

So me yabbing some fans for their ridiculous takes before the game is the same thing as saying the fans were responsible for the loss? Take a step back and ask yourself if this is a sound sense of reasoning from you?

Mujtahida:

You are the one allowing your bias against Iwobi making you sentimental. First question: is that the role he's suited for? You saddle him with defensive duties and expect to get the best of him. Make una free the boy jare

When a team is not in possession everyone is meant to defend and recover the ball..

iwobi defending and defensive duties is part his job.

When the SE was not in possession iwobi didn't make any attempt to defend most times Bassey was doing iwobi's defensive duties.

SmallDick99:
We could have probably won the tournament if we continued with this formation.

Despite we didn't win our first match against equa guinea we played better, created enough chances and this is the only match we won on possession out of all the games we played at the afcon.

When the coach started this his defensive formation, although we managed to win games but we were playing badly, wasn't controlling the ball well and finding it harder to keep possession.

Some of us knew we couldn't continue like that but some were blinded my the euphoria of lackluster Victories

Is it guaranteed that if we had continued with the same formation, we would have gotten this far? Agreed it was haram football we played but can you say for sure that playing otherwise would have taken us far?

My point is that nothing is guaranteed. You just do what you have to do and hope for the best.

Danielnino00:
I don't know about you guys, but I'm quite unbothered by the outcome of yesterday's game. Maybe because like I said earlier, the players have exceeded all expectations. They did well.

True. Based on pre-tournament discussions on this very thread, there were loads of complaints about the setup, the formation Pes will use and how he intends to rotate players, especially as our midfield was the smallest in the competition.

I dunno if he intended to utilize the midfield except for contributing to defending. Because if you notice his pattern of substitutions so far, it tells the story. Same for not utilizing Onyedika. Iwobi deployment was off. He made some errors actually but he can't play that role at all. He should be closer to attackers so his brain can function well.

The next issue is trying to gel together till 2025 Afcon now. Next biggest assignment now is scouting for proper midfielders. If Pes goes and a new manager comes in and uses Iwobi well, na we we go still hype am and talk down on this very Jpes.

Barryseal:

So me yabbing some fans for their ridiculous takes before the game is the same thing as saying the fans were responsible for the loss? Take a step back and ask yourself if this is a sound sense of reasoning from you?

You said as much if not directly then by implication.

safarigirl:
We had a whole strikers crisis coming into this tournament. From Awoniyi to Boniface, even that Sadiq Umar. We just dey use patch patch come tournament.

We still lost a leader in Ndidi. Yet, with all that, the team came this far.


Please, you people are ingrates. This team overachieved and this is what they get. Maybe we really deserve to crash out in the earlier stages, y'all don't deserve nice things.

There was no strikers crisis..

apart from Awoniyi, Boniface and Sadiq.

there is Akor Adams, Gift Orban, Terem Moffi, aribo. e.t.c

The team did not over-achieve..

The SE standard is to win the competition.

If Super Falcons reach the final of WAFCON will you say they over-achieved?

First of all let me send a big appreciation to the Super Eagles for representing the country with pride, guts and sacrifice. Your performance captured the imagination of a nation and we are thankful for the joy you gave the whole of Nigeria these past few weeks. Keep your head up boys your day ultimate glory will come.

Going forward there are many lessons to learn from how the final panned out and I hope the NFF takes their time to note the areas of the team that need improvement (hello midfield) and ensure we draft quality reinforcements ASAP. The team is still a work in progress but we're not far off from having a side that will dominate Africa and compete favorably at the World Cup in the nearest future.

Speaking specifically about the game yesterday like I reasoned with some notable posters before the match there was a possibility of us getting punished if we didn't take the game to the Ivorians and it sadly turned out to be so. I hope JP or whoever will be in charge of the team during the World Cup qualifiers will try to find the right balance between attack and defense. JP showed two extremes that should be balanced out the pre-AFCON attack-centric side and AFCON defensively minded team need to be harmonized to get the best of the Eagles.

Before concluding my post I have to congratulate CIV for being worthy winners on the night. They were good value for their victory and deserved the win based on how aggressively and positively they approached the match.

Kudos also to the hosts and CAF for organizing the best AFCON tournament in living memory.

safarigirl:
In 2022, we crashed out in Round of 16, I came here and said the team failed, make we no blame anybody.

Yet, the Nigerian mob used the opportunity to pour so much bile on Okoye, man had to recuse himself from this AFCON. Till today, that boy cannot post without one degenerate posting rubbish in his comments.

Today again, we have lost, I have come and said, "It's team failure, no need to single out any player", yet, once again, a mob fights for their rights to a scapegoat.

It is the team that failed. Not Iwobi, not Osimhen, not Aina, not Chukwueze, not Zaidu. The team failed. Nobody hold their side 100%, so, to single out one person in a team loss is wickedness.

The entire team was poor. Let us be just in criticism and not constantly single out one person for hate. If na only one person fail, we for face am, but this one was team failure.

There's need to single out players.

When Joe Hart was at Man City under Pep Guardiola he was singled out and replaced, in fact most of the team was replaced only Aguero, David Silva, De Bruyne, Kompany, Toure were retained..

If a family is poor and one person in the family becomes successful and empowers his family members will you say it was family success or the one person's success that propelled the family?