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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 10:53am On Feb 12
Mujtahida:

You said as much if not directly then by implication.
Why would such implication come up when I'm not typing from a psychiatry ward?
The full context of my post eluded you, which understandably is normal after such an emotional night.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:54am On Feb 12
Joebie:
It’s really funny how fans just switch up. What I saw from all the players was 150% commitment. They gave their best. Let’s not transfer negativity from the daily struggles, to fellow Nigerians who are equally trying to make something out of life at the same time giving their best to their fatherland/motherland.
We are a wicked, bitter, toxic people. We usually use comedy and jokes to cover up the darkness in our hearts.

Go online, read Nigerians, you'd be shocked at the vitriol. Go online read Americans or Brits even when they are opposed to each other, you'd hardly see them curse and utter foul words to each other.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 10:56am On Feb 12
Mujtahida:

It is the criticism of Iwobi that is unfair if we just say he's a senior player and so? He's got more caps. He no senior (and I don't mean age wise) anybody in the team like that apart from Osimhen, Ajayi, Aribo and Chukwueze.

Criticism of iwobi is justified not unfair.

He has been in the team since he was a teenager.. he should be fired up in midfield and motivate others the way Ekong was always fired up in defense.

He might 1 day be the captain of the SE and a person who is not fired up and taking charge should not be the captain.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 10:57am On Feb 12
We over achieved. We don't have the best set of players on the continent.

Yes we are blessed in some areas like the attack but let's not be dishonest going into the competition we complained about how poor our goalkeeping, defense and midfield was.

So don't make it sound like we were run away favorites.

The performance of the defense and Nwabali pleasantly surprised us that almost had us winning the trophy.

Nigeria is always a contender at the AFCON like Egypt, Cameroon and Ghana but that's not always a guarantee we will win all the time.

codemaniacs:


There was no strikers crisis..

apart from Awoniyi, Boniface and Sadiq.

there is Akor Adams, Gift Orban, Terem Moffi, aribo. e.t.c

The team did not over-achieve..

The SE standard is to win the competition.

If Super Falcons reach the final of WAFCON will you say they over-achieved?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Goke7: 10:58am On Feb 12
codemaniacs:


Criticism of iwobi is justified not unfair.

He has been in the team since he was a teenager.. he should be fired up in midfield and motivate others the way Ekong was always fired up in defense.

He might 1 day be the captain of the SE and a person who is not fired up and taking charge should not be the captain.

I finally rest my case
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:59am On Feb 12
charlesemeka85:
Can you imagine 😡
Wicked, wicked people. Even yesterday Okoye wished the team well. One idiot commented by saying if he were in goal we would not have gotten this far. Okoye disappointed us but to just needlessly attack players is really terrible.

It is in Nigeria that someone will say he's suicidal. Nigerians will laugh the person. Some will tell him to go and die. Seen it several times on nairaland and on Twitter. We are a wicked people oo. Very wicked.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:02am On Feb 12
TheGoodJoe:


Fluke is not working. Will you call the win over South Africa getting tactics right? We were totally outplayed in our last two games. That is not getting tactics right. I have said it and will say it. Negative football is just fluke. That is why Mourinho keeps falling. With time, it gets clear that it is stale.

I have to painfully agree with you without question.

We have rarely dominated teams and we have been by sheer providence scraped through.

This negative approach was Never going to win us the final. VO left up on his own to work miracles, Iwobi sitting deep and trying to dictate play from behind.

I think Pasiero has to go he is too negative can your teach an old dog new tricks, No.

It seems our Ekong CB was the top goal 🥅 scorer in the team ,that tells a story in itself.

We conceded the midfield and every second ball was win by CIV . We invited them to attack and attack plus attack while we defended in the end we were all exhausted. In reality if not for Nwabali it would have been 3-0 in the first half.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 11:03am On Feb 12
safarigirl:
We had a whole strikers crisis coming into this tournament. From Awoniyi to Boniface, even that Sadiq Umar. We just dey use patch patch come tournament.

We still lost a leader in Ndidi. Yet, with all that, the team came this far.


Please, you people are ingrates. This team overachieved and this is what they get. Maybe we really deserve to crash out in the earlier stages, y'all don't deserve nice things.


Over achieved ? For reaching afcon final? Lol

Yes majority of us doubted d team due to what transpired prior to d tournament …but saying d team over achieved in an afcon tournament…Abi na World Cup u wan talk?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 11:03am On Feb 12
chrisooblog:
We over achieved. We don't have the best set of players on the continent.

Yes we are blessed in some areas like the attack but let's not be dishonest going into the competition we complained about how poor our goalkeeping, defense and midfield was.

So don't make it sound like we were run away favorites.

The performance of the defense and Nwabali pleasantly surprised us that almost had us winning the trophy.

Nigeria is always a contender at the AFCON like Egypt, Cameroon and Ghana but that's not always a guarantee we will win all the time.


In our team only Nwabali plays in Africa.

Our other players play in top leagues across Europe, so SE has one of the best set of players on the continent in fact top 2 best out of all the other countries. I will place them at #1.

SE didn't win the Trophy because of reliance on Osimhen for goals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by akwesenana: 11:10am On Feb 12
codemaniacs:


There's need to single out players.

When Joe Hart was at Man City under Pep Guardiola he was singled out and replaced, in fact most of the team was replaced only Aguero, David Silva, De Bruyne, Kompany, Toure were retained..

If a family is poor and one person in the family becomes successful and empowers his family members will you say it was family success or the one person's success that propelled the family?
Comparing apples with dildos. Kudos.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ouzo1(m): 11:11am On Feb 12
Nothing dey shock me again o
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 11:14am On Feb 12
Mujtahida:

I don't understand the emphasis on senior impacts on a player playing a role he's not familiar with. So him seniority go help am if he's made to play as a defender abi?

In football, a player has 2 roles.

1. - to defend and press when his or her team is not in possession.

2. To attack and keep possession when his or her is in possession.

As long as the player is not a defender or GK then roles don't matter..

Midfielders are meant to attack and defend unless the coach tells the midfielder to hold midfield position.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 11:15am On Feb 12
You've made very solid and logical points.

The only point I would chip in is that I feel JP should have risked playing a three man midfield to push Iwobi further up the pitch to add creativity and help repel the relentless Ivorians who had a field day in the midfield.

The only game we saw a semblance of Iwobi's creativity was when we played three midfielders against Equitorial Guinea. I understand fans frustration with Alex's overall midfield performance in this AFCON but he was clearly a square peg in a round hole because JP didn't manage his midfield options well in my opinion. Is he saying Onyedika was that poor? If so why did he call him up? Even Yusuf that wasn't in his plans at all got games.

Kayyy:
My verdict, we have done well, we have exceeded the expectations we had going to the tournament, no one gave that squad a chance to get to the final,the problems we had in the final today was a problem that was obvious for over 6 months or even our world cup qualification. We had a patched midfield that did well getting to the finals but was badly exposed today. No point feeling bad , I can only praise them.

Now my reaction to this, enough of huge ego of we have too many talents and any player that doesn't want to play for us should not come, it's time to build our TEAM, qualifying for semi finals and Finals in Afcon and loosing should not continue to be a habit, it was obvious we needed ball carriers and runners to help Onyeka's hardwork in that midfield but lacked it soon much. Now we need to go find them. We need 2 technical teams from the nff that should go round and convince players to play for Nigeria, we have to many diaspora talents that we can't just relax and say we can't beg them infact from the English league, Italian league, German league we can build a squad from them, while watching that final today I could just imagine having a runner like Ogbene of Luton town and a ball carrier like Eze along with Onyeka we would counter that ivory coast team like demons. We gave our attackers especially Osihmen little chance., It's time to go and reach out and convince the diaspora talents more

The second technical team should focus on the local league and African league and find talents there too. We should not be patching up a squad with few weeks/ months to the to tournament, there is another Afcon next year we have work to do. Thanks very much.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:15am On Feb 12
codemaniacs:


They won't blame Osimhen.

I said switch Osimhen to RW let Moffi strike.. maybe if it was Osimhen and Aina marking Adingra the situation would have been different.

When teams face a skilful fast forward player known to cause danger you always DOUBLE UP. Have you ever seen defenders allowing Mbappe, Ronaldo, Zaha etc to go 1v1 on your defense.

Aina had Adingra mostly covered in the first half even the first 25 minutes of the second half . But he was having too many 1v1 Chukwueze was not able to go forward and should have been backtracking. By the second half our boys were getting exhausted and completely gassed out, too much work.

Our midfielders were outnumbered and out skilled in the most negative defensive posture you can find. We could not win any second balls.

If Iwobi was placed much closer to VO and in a more forward position it may have been different. But he was playing DM and conceded the midfield.

I was surprised Onyeka was not sent off because he was working tirelessly and getting several fouls. Particularly because the referee was clearly biased. He stifled VO aggressive game with wrong calls against him and warned him.

From the get go any physical touch with the CIV players and they are rolling around like you hit them with a sledge hammer ⚒️.

This was made worse with our negative defensive posture literally inviting CIV to attack non stops 🛑
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 11:17am On Feb 12
charlesemeka85:
Na so all of them dey hype Alhassan Alhassan after our first game but all of a sudden the noise died off

Our 3rd and last game in the group stage against Guinea that iwobi didn’t start all of us witnessed how disjointed the midfield was before he got subbed in but nobody go gree talk am

As long as its a 2-man midfield then its always going to be disjointed.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 11:18am On Feb 12
This maybe controversial but just like some of us screamed about sourcing for local talent for the GK role, I feel we just might hit gold if we look within for a midfield talent from the league since our best talents abroad are either strikers of wingers.
Never again should we have a coach call up 4 midfielders for friendly games. We must expand the dragnet if we desire progress.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 11:21am On Feb 12
Morocco with their Europe based star players were knocked out by home based SA players but I should lose sleep because the host country also full of quality Europe based players defeated us in a hard fought match?

Ok.

codemaniacs:


In our team only Nwabali plays in Africa.

Our other players play in top leagues across Europe, so SE has one of the best set of players on the continent in fact top 2 best out of all the other countries. I will place them at #1.

SE didn't win the Trophy because of reliance on Osimhen for goals.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:22am On Feb 12
elyte89:



Over achieved ? For reaching afcon final? Lol

Yes majority of us doubted d team due to what transpired prior to d tournament …but saying d team over achieved in an afcon tournament…Abi na World Cup u wan talk?

Overachieved because nobody gave the team a chance, that is enough.

Suddenly you think we're some Senegal or Morocco. Once again, no be una fault. If we crashed out in Round of 16 like the last time, una mouth no for sharp like this.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:23am On Feb 12
codemaniacs:


There was no strikers crisis..

apart from Awoniyi, Boniface and Sadiq.

there is Akor Adams, Gift Orban, Terem Moffi, aribo. e.t.c

The team did not over-achieve..

The SE standard is to win the competition.

If Super Falcons reach the final of WAFCON will you say they over-achieved?

Competition that y'all have only won 3 times in about 35 years of competing?

You must think you're Egypt.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:23am On Feb 12
Barryseal:
On balance of play we simply didn't deserve to win. We even got lucky Ekong scored from that set piece.
The defence didn't trust the midfield, they kept lumping it up to Osimhen.
The fans themselves were over confident. Where all the confidence was coming from, I had no idea.

Dude you are wrong.

The midfield was the defence and the defence the midfield, then we go long , it was very predictable.

We could not get out because we had not outlet upfront, VO was defending our corners.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jieta: 11:23am On Feb 12
codemaniacs:


Onyeka did not have an advanced role.

That's how Onyeka plays for Brentford..

iwobi was been very careful probably due to red card he got at the last AFCON.

iwobi was letting players run past him, ball watching, expecting passes to be played directly to his feet, when a player passes to Iwobi and the pass is not directly to his feet even if iwobi can jog to the pass iwobi would stand still and watch the pass go past him.
iwobi did this in most of the matches.

Peseiro did not have a plan, looping the ball from defense to attack has always been a Nigerian way of playing football.
peseiro did not have a plan but he took the team to the final, it's high time some of you take up the super eagles job.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:24am On Feb 12
codemaniacs:


There are different sizes when it comes to bag of rice and other foods. You don't have to buy the 77k rice when there is 10kg rice, 25kg Rice e.t.c.

[b]Dollar is not the currency Nigeria uses [/b]and it's rate has to do with the large population of the country relative to Nigeria's exports and is decided by World Slavery Bank and International Slavery Fund as a way for them to reduce Nigeria's population not Ti:nubu's policies...

Unless you want the pre:sident to kill 150 million Nigerians overnight that 1500 is going to reach 2000 - 3000 so better be prepared..


Another person being foolish.

Your country imports everything from laptops to toothpicks, every single thing is in dollar rate in this country and it affects the buying and selling.

Take this foolishness to nursery school children, don't chat rubbish were adults are

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gustav25: 11:25am On Feb 12
😁😁 tears don surplus
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 11:25am On Feb 12
komekn:


When teams face a skilful fast forward player known to cause danger you always DOUBLE UP. Have you ever seen defenders allowing Mbappe, Ronaldo, Zaha etc to go 1v1 on your defense.

Aina had Adingra mostly covered in the first half even the first 25 minutes of the second half . But he was having too many 1v1 Chukwueze was not able to go forward and should have been backtracking. By the second half our boys were getting exhausted and completely gassed out, too much work.

Our midfielders were outnumbered and out skilled in the most negative defensive posture you can find. We could not win any second balls.

If Iwobi was placed much closer to VO and in a more forward position it may have been different. But he was playing DM and conceded the midfield.

I was surprised Onyeka was not sent off because he was working tirelessly and getting several fouls. Particularly because the referee was clearly biased. He stifled VO aggressive game with wrong calls against him and warned him.

From the get go any physical touch with the CIV players and they are rolling around like you hit them with a sledge hammer ⚒️.

This was made worse with our negative defensive posture literally inviting CIV to attack non stops 🛑



The bolded is a problem you, others and SE coaching crews are not answering.

iwobi was underwhelming and iwobi does not have to be in a "more forward" position let the striker ( Osimhen ) be closer to Iwobi not iwobi closer to the striker.

To do what you're saying then a 3 - 4 man midfield is needed..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Goke7: 11:25am On Feb 12
Just to remind everyone, Ekong that's the MVP of this tournament was never one of the fan's favorites he has started getting being snubbed for games. But today he's been celebrated by fans, critics, analysts, and everyone. This was even a player a former Eagles coach told he was never going to be a good fit in the African game.

Why am I saying all these, Ekong is a testament to how a player can raise his game in spite of all the odds against him including bashing and whatever. This is what we expect from anyone wearing that green shirt, go there and impose your game and you will be celebrated. Winning the MVP of a tournament is no fluke.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Sundaymosez: 11:25am On Feb 12
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:26am On Feb 12
Mujtahida:

You pick the results that buttresses your argument and ignore the ones that don't. Ultimately no system of football guarantees you results all the time. Tiki taka has succeeded and failed. Park the bus has failed and succeeded too. Don't put one on a pedestal like it's the ultimate. That's my point.

Almost all top teams are using a more possessive/offensive approach. Park bus is failed and abandoned.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 11:27am On Feb 12
She's talking in context of the squad. Nigeria winning the AFCON is expected but in terms of our squad strength nobody rated us top three favorites to win this edition.

All she's preaching is appreciate the boys for their efforts while criticizing them for their short comings.

elyte89:



Over achieved ? For reaching afcon final? Lol

Yes majority of us doubted d team due to what transpired prior to d tournament …but saying d team over achieved in an afcon tournament…Abi na World Cup u wan talk?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 11:28am On Feb 12
jieta:
peseiro did not have a plan but he took the team to the final, it's high time some of you take up the super eagles job.

You don't know how strong the Super Eagles team is.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:28am On Feb 12
lbrichman2:


Nwakali would have made a difference in this match
I am fully convinced
Iwobi wasn't opening up for passes
Nwakali does that to perfection
He passes, opens up and keeps the ball moving
He needs to be in this team ASAP

When you play against part time professional players in a very poor quality league. You may look good 😊 however, Nwakali team Chavez are bottom of his league and he doesn't even look good.

So stop this nonsensical charade it's delusional.

We are talking about players who are progressing not those going backwards.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:33am On Feb 12
TheSuperNerd:
He surely can. Iwobi playing in the formation was the unnatural sight. For Nwakali, it would have been round peg in a round role. The perfect DLP.


Balderdash and Codswallop.

Charity begins at home in your club and league. Let him do it in the very poor Portuguese relegation zone were his team Chavez have remained since the league started.

Last game he was the worst player in the team according to Google ratings. He was playing RW, if lowly Chavez don't trust him in the midfield.

Then we should believe him to do wonders in the SE midfield, that's delusional.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:34am On Feb 12
TheGoodJoe:


Almost all top teams are using a more possessive/offensive approach. Park bus is failed and abandoned.

EOD Thank you

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