https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nupk4rPPxj0?si=OQn0CIK7sr4_BpBt

He wants to punish you for making wrong choices
More like teach you a lesson
If you keep making wrong choices he will keep on punishing you or teaching you lessons till you make a right choice

Zaheertyler:
He wants to punish you for making wrong choices
More like teach you a lesson
If you keep making wrong choices he will keep on punishing you or teaching you lessons till you make a right choice

Which Satan? He has no power to punish any man for any reason. Rather, from what is written of him in scripture, Satan goes around testing the mettle of those who claim to be of God using any means he is allowed by God. That is what Job experienced and reason why Job proclaimed that God was responsible for all that happened to him --- Job never once mentioned Satan..

Compare that to religious folks, in particular Christians, and you will note that unlike Job who understood God, Christians go around mentioning Satan, venerating him, proclaiming he, Satan, has so much power over their lives.

Kobojunkie:
Which Satan? He has no power to punish any man for any reason. Rather, from what is written of him in scripture, Satan goes around testing the mettle of those who claim to be of God using any means he is allowed by God. That is what Job experienced and reason why Job proclaimed that God was responsible for all that happened to him --- Job never once mentioned Satan..

Compare that to religious folks, in particular Christians, and you will note that unlike Job who understood God, Christians go around mentioning Satan, venerating him, proclaiming he, Satan, has so much power over their lives.

Sorry
Who is the ruler of hell?

Kobojunkie:
Which Satan? He has no power to punish any man for any reason. Rather, from what is written of him in scripture, Satan goes around testing the mettle of those who claim to be of God using any means he is allowed by God. That is what Job experienced and reason why Job proclaimed that God was responsible for all that happened to him --- Job never once mentioned Satan..

Compare that to religious folks, in particular Christians, and you will note that unlike Job who understood God, Christians go around mentioning Satan, venerating him, proclaiming he, Satan, has so much power over their lives.

So apparently he isn't evil just a mischievous trickster
And for God to send him he is a messanger?

Zaheertyler:

Sorry
Who is the ruler of hell?

Read Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 where Jesus Christ informed you that He is the ruler over Heaven(Eternal Reward) and over Hell(Eternal Damnation).

Zaheertyler:
■ So apparently he isn't evil just a mischievous trickster
And for God to send him he is a messanger?

Mischievous trickster? He was created evil by God for His, God's, purpose.

Jesus Christ Himself announced to Peter that He, Jesus Christ, had turned Him over to Satan to be tested and tried. Why would a master do that to one of His servants if Satan were not part of the plan?

Kobojunkie:
Mischievous trickster? He was created evil by God for His, God's, purpose.

J

the personality and concept of satan that is found in Christianity is missing among the lost sheep of israel, satan which is yetzer hara, simply means your Mind.

Kobojunkie:
Mischievous trickster? He was created evil by God for His, God's, purpose.

Jesus Christ Himself announced to Peter that He, Jesus Christ, had turned Him over to Satan to be tested and tried. Why would a master do that to one of His servants if Satan were not part of the plan?

What makes Satan evil from your explanation?
Or you're mixing it up with someone or something else?

Maynthemayn:

the personality and concept of satan that is found in Christianity is missing among the lost sheep of israel, satan which is yetzer hara, simply means your Mind.

Your mind is Satan?
You're making more sense self
Please explain better sir

Zaheertyler:
■ What makes Satan evil from your explanation?

Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. Evil — antiChrist— is sin which is direct disobedience of God's Truth and it includes any lie told using the name of God.

31 So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33 They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34 Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
35 A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever.
36 So if the Son makes you free, you are really free.
37 I know you are Abraham’s descendants. But you want to kill me, because you don’t want to accept my teaching.
38 I am telling you what my Father has shown me. But you do what your father has told you.”
39 They said, “Our father is Abraham.” Jesus said, “If you were really Abraham’s descendants, you would do what Abraham did.
40 I am someone who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.
41 So you are doing what your own father did.” But they said, “We are not like children who never knew who their father was. God is our Father. He is the only Father we have.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me.
43 You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching.
44 Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies.
45 “I am telling you the truth, and that’s why you don’t believe me.
46 Can any of you prove that I am guilty of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe me?
47 Whoever belongs to God accepts what he says. But you don’t accept what God says, because you don’t belong to God.” - John 8 vs 31 - 47

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. Evil — antiChrist— is sin which is direct disobedience of God's Truth and it includes any lie told using the name of God.

Okay..from all this your definitions Satan is the same as Lucifer and the devil right?

Zaheertyler:
■ Okay..from all this your definitions Satan is the same as Lucifer and the devil right?

There is no Lucifer character in all of Scripture.

According to Jesus Christ, Satan is the enemy in the Kingdom of God and those who are with him —those who reject the teachings of Jesus Christ even though they are born-again — are angels of the devil or children of the devil.

Kobojunkie:
There is no Lucifer character in all of Scripture.

According to Jesus Christ, Satan is the enemy in the Kingdom of God and those who are with him —those who reject the teachings of Jesus Christ even though they are born-again — are angels of the devil or children of the devil.

I want to know who that person that came to job was...eve too even peter
Abi na hermes ,Hecate ,pan or tehuti
Abi Satan
Because the devil cannot stand God obviously
...as for Lucifer I thought our prophet Isaiah mentioned him?
Ohh sorry it was written in Hebrew so it's helel
Lmaooooooo

Zaheertyler:
■ I want to know who that person that came to job was...eve too even peter
Abi na hermes ,Hecate ,pan or tehuti Abi Satan Because the devil cannot stand God obviously ...as for Lucifer I thought our prophet Isaiah mentioned him? Ohh sorry it was written in Hebrew so it's helel Lmaooooooo

You reject what was presented in the book to assert insert your opinion over that intended by the author. Is that it?

Kobojunkie:
You reject what was presented in the book to assert insert your opinion over that intended by the author. Is that it?

Was that what you understood from all I wrote
Or you're avoiding the question?
Or did Isaiah mention Lucifer or not?
Who was that wise old serpent?

Zaheertyler:
Was that what you understood from all I wrote Or you're avoiding the question? Or did Isaiah mention Lucifer or not?
Who was that wise old serpent?

Isaiah never mentioned a Lucifer character in all of his writings. So, is it that you wish to inject your own ideas in between the lies, something typical of religion?

Kobojunkie:
Isaiah never mentioned a Lucifer character in all of his writings. So, is it that you wish to inject your own ideas in between the lies, something typical of religion?

Isaiah 14?

Zaheertyler:
Isaiah 14?

There is no mention of Lucifer by Isaiah in Isaiah 14 which is primarily a dirge sung by God about the King of Babylon.

Kobojunkie:
There is no mention of Lucifer by Isaiah in Isaiah 14 which is primarily a dirge sung by God about the King of Babylon.

Please explain

Zaheertyler:
■ Please explain

Do you equally read other poems/dirges, letters, novels, textbooks, and other materials written in Human language the same way you just attempted to process the writings of Isaiah in Isaiah 14?

A poem/dirge is written in that chapter which the reader is meant to read and comprehend by reading from the beginning to the end. Yet, you conveniently avoided the beginning of the passage, all so you could inject your private delusion into particular extracts from the passage, why? Don't you see how doing so instead means abandoning the intended message of the writer to ascribe instead a meaning of your own invention?

Kobojunkie:
Do you equally read letters, novels, textbooks, and other materials written in Human language the same way you just attempted to process the writings of Isaiah in Isaiah 14?

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Kobojunkie:
Do you equally read other poems/dirges, letters, novels, textbooks, and other materials written in Human language the same way you just attempted to process the writings of Isaiah in Isaiah 14?

A poem/dirge is written in that chapter which the reader is meant to read and comprehend by reading from the beginning to the end. Yet, you conveniently avoided the beginning of the passage, all so you could inject your private delusion into particular extracts from the passage, why? Don't you see how doing so instead means abandoning the intended message of the writer to ascribe instead a meaning of your own invention?

Is there Lucifer morningstar there or not

Kobojunkie:
Do you equally read other poems/dirges, letters, novels, textbooks, and other materials written in Human language the same way you just attempted to process the writings of Isaiah in Isaiah 14?

A poem/dirge is written in that chapter which the reader is meant to read and comprehend by reading from the beginning to the end. Yet, you conveniently avoided the beginning of the passage, all so you could inject your private delusion into particular extracts from the passage, why? Don't you see how doing so instead means abandoning the intended message of the writer to ascribe instead a meaning of your own invention?

...

Zaheertyler:

Oga you said there is no Lucifer in the bible
Na Lucy be this?

Where?

Zaheertyler:

Is there Lucifer morningstar there or not

Where?

Kobojunkie:
Where?

King of babylon saying a dirge calls himself Lucifer morningstar?
Or king of tyre in Ezekiel calling himself a fallen Cherub?

Remind me again did Cain build the first city?
Let's not go deeper into that
What was the first city again ? Eridu or Babylon?
Who was the patron god and goddess of Babylon
Both kings mentioned in the the text above were they loyal to ywyh or their patron Babylonian gods
Dirge or no dirge why did the king mention Lucifer?
Was he Lucifer,loyal to Lucifer or the word just came out of his mouth?
The patron Babylonian gods were they fallen stars of heaven or not?
Then who is Lucifer?
And who was the old serpent that decieved eve
Who is the morningstar?
Can a fallen angel be redeemed or they have been cast out for life
Who is man?
Lol

Zaheertyler:
■ King of babylon saying a dirge calls himself Lucifer Morningstar? Or king of tyre in Ezekiel calling himself a fallen Cherub?...

What you wrote makes no sense. The dirge in Isaiah 14 was sung by the God of Israel. So how could it be interpreted to mean the King of Babylon was calling himself what you claim? The dirge in Ezekiel 28 was sung by the God of Israel about the King of Tyre, so how could it be interpreted to mean that the King of Tyre referred to himself as what you claim?

Why do you reject the message intended by the author only to assert in its place an idea removed instead?

Kobojunkie:
What you wrote makes no sense. The dirge in Isaiah 14 was sung by the God of Israel. So how could it be interpreted to mean the King of Babylon was calling himself what you claim? The dirge in Ezekiel 28 was sung by the God of Israel about the King of Tyre, so how could it be interpreted to mean that the King of Tyre referred to himself as what you claim?

Why do you reject the message intended by the author only to assert in its place an idea removed instead?

No vex I no no say God dun dey sing
Are you reading the authors mind?
And who told you that you actually got the message?
I'm not really familiar with the bible like that and I just found out about the tyre passage and the full Isaiah passage today
And it's still obvious you're saying rubbish

Kobojunkie:
What you wrote makes no sense. The dirge in Isaiah 14 was sung by the God of Israel. So how could it be interpreted to mean the King of Babylon was calling himself what you claim? The dirge in Ezekiel 28 was sung by the God of Israel about the King of Tyre, so how could it be interpreted to mean that the King of Tyre referred to himself as what you claim?

Why do you reject the message intended by the author only to assert in its place an idea removed instead?

I was quoting you
So God sang it through Isaiah or himself because I'm getting confused
And why did Lucifer enter that passage?

Zaheertyler:
∆ I was quoting you. So God sang it through Isaiah or himself because I'm getting confused
And why did Lucifer enter that passage?

Quote me? I never said any of what you pretend. So again, why do you reject the intended message of the writer in order to assert in its stead that which is of you?

Zaheertyler:
∆ No vex I no no say God dun dey sing Are you reading the authors mind?
And who told you that you actually got the message?
I'm not really familiar with the bible like that and I just found out about the tyre passage and the full Isaiah passage today
And it's still obvious you're saying rubbish

You don't like the authors words and would rather assert your own ideas, right?