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Re: Trust Not God by Aemmyjah(m): 8:00am On Jan 25
Roycemadeit:


You see how you left other things I mentioned and jumped to possession? If nobody possessed anything why did God lead Israelites to possessing a land that's not theirs?

If something is evil acknowledge it, but y'all believers would not because you don't recognise it.

While others are think and sct progressively, believers' see Endtime


The possessed the land of their ancestor, Abraham
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 2:15pm On Jan 25
Aemmyjah:



They possessed the land of their ancestor, Abraham


Interestingly, Max said nobody owned any possessions.

Now, let's explore what you refer to as their ancestors' territory—a land accommodating merely 70 individuals, the total number of Israelites who initially entered Egypt. They vacated this land for 413 years, returning to encounter not just one or two nations but a multitude including Canaanites, Jebusites, Gibeonites, Hittites, Hivites, Jericho, and others.


These nations comprised thousands of people, and one might question the assumption that the territory, rightfully belonged to Abraham.

How plausible is it for an individual to claim ownership over a land where diverse nations settled and endured challenges for centuries?

As non-Israelites began occupying the land, God allowed them to settle. However, centuries later, they faced a conflict and perished at the hands of those who believed the land was promised to them by God.

What distinguishes them from marauding herdsmen who kill villagers and force them out in the name of their God?

If you consider the actions of the Israelites as as right, then one lacks the right to question others who seize possessions of others at their God's command.

This same belief system has historically led to the subjugation of others, enslavement of races, exploitation, and the seizure of properties belonging to others.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:19pm On Jan 25
Roycemadeit:

Interestingly, Max said nobody owned any possessions.
Whenever i'm answering questions i also make sure that i includes answers to questions that's in your heart which may likely follow the one i answered.
I know it will come to questioning Abraham's right to own such a land that's why it's logical to conclude that the land actually belongs to the God who promised Abraham not Abraham's property.
If someone gives you something and dictates how you should use the gift adding that he will dispossess you of the gift if you don't comply with his terms and conditions has the property become yours for real? smiley
Roycemadeit:

What distinguishes them from marauding herdsmen who kill villagers and force them out in the name of their God?
The marauding herdsmen killing villagers aren't forcing them out rather they're fighting for their stock so if villagers allow them to stay without hurting their cattles the herdsmen will not hurt anyone but most villagers are fighting or attacking the cattles claiming the animals are destroying their farm produce.

To answer your question: What distinguishes the Israelites from the herdsmen?

The Israelites has been on that land before.
Their ancestors were buried there.
Their God has just delivered them out of the hand of the world's most powerful king without a military force.
The God keeps drying up rivers before them as a sign of His backing.
The Israelites has a particular geographical location they're returning to.
All the inhabitants of Canaan knew that the Israelites were returning to the land where they formerly occupied.

Any right thinking person will intelligently leave that land for the Israelites or surrender for them to acquire wherever their God wants.

That's what Rahab of Jericho said and the wise Gibeonites acted screwdly! Joshua 2:9-13; 9:3-13

So there's a big difference between Israelites and the herdsmen!
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:28pm On Jan 25
"That's the essence. Each culture has its own deity or deities championing its interests. It's presumptuous for someone to claim their God mandates I surrender what rightfully belongs to me, especially when the divine message didn't come directly to me. This situation embodies elements of nepotism, envy and jealousy. I want to emphasize that figures like Abraham are merely fictional characters."
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:16pm On Jan 25
Roycemadeit:

"I want to emphasize that figures like Abraham are merely fictional characters."
With this there's no need for further comment if you feel Abraham and others were fictional characters then why quoting their stories?
Why not concentrate on the deities your own ancestors worship and try to emphasize the things they did for readers to see how real they are? smiley
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:30pm On Jan 25
Aemmyjah:

The possessed the land of their ancestor, Abraham

Instead of saying they want atheism they will just come to social media and start spewing whatever comes to their mind against the Bible.
If someone feels the God of Israel wasn't nice enough let them document the history of their own Gods and place it side by side with that of the God of Abraham nah.
Honest hearted and sincere individuals will see the difference and make their choices! smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:39pm On Jan 25
MaxInDHouse:

With this there's no need for further comment if you feel Abraham and others were fictional characters then why quoting their stories?
Why not concentrate on the deities your own ancestors worship and try to emphasize the things they did for readers to see how real they are? smiley


I don't feel they are fictional... Believers can't see how real there are, that's why they are called believers.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:40pm On Jan 25
Roycemadeit:

I don't feel they are fictional... Believers can't see how real there are, that's why they are called believers.
The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST before you can talk about trust you must have knowledge regarding what you want to trust.
The mistake most of you are making is calling credulity a belief, your ancestors surely existed otherwise you can't be alive today but when it comes to how they lived and the things they did you don't know much yet you want to say a well documented history is fiction simply because you feel there is prejudice in what you read about the people involved.

For your information all the Gods people are worshiping are demons apart from the God of Abraham who revealed all the secret about the origin of life and how fallen angels became Gods in so many places! smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Mrvictorwrite(m): 12:14am On Jan 26
I trust in God oo
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 7:58am On Jan 28
MaxInDHouse:

The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST before you can talk about trust you must have knowledge regarding what you want to trust.
The mistake most of you are making is calling credulity a belief, your ancestors surely existed otherwise you can't be alive today but when it comes to how they lived and the things they did you don't know much yet you want to say a well documented history is fiction simply because you feel there is prejudice in what you read about the people involved.

For your information all the Gods people are worshiping are demons apart from the God of Abraham who revealed all the secret about the origin of life and how fallen angels became Gods in so many places! smiley


Hey, it's not cool that you buy into the idea that the God of Abraham, the ancestral God of Israelites, is true and all other Gods including your own ancestral Gods are demons. Consider that Islam and Judaism are also Abrahamic beliefs. Understanding the origin of your beliefs is crucial; otherwise, you're just running on faith.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:43am On Jan 28
Roycemadeit:

Hey, it's not cool that you buy into the idea that the God of Abraham, the ancestral God of Israelites, is true and all other Gods including your own ancestral Gods are demons. Consider that Islam and Judaism are also Abrahamic beliefs. Understanding the origin of your beliefs is crucial; otherwise, you're just running on faith.

Obviously you don't know what demons are you just feel like supporting what you don't even know!

*What are the attributes of the true God?

*What has the Gods of your ancestors done for them and you own generation?

*Who are the custodians of your ancestral Gods?

*What is the purpose of your ancestral Gods?

That's what you should consider before arguing about what someone intelligent should do about God/Gods!
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:12pm On Mar 05
MaxInDHouse:

THIEF and COVETOUS shey?
Please on what basis are you making such judgement?
Is it on laws made before or after Jacob?
Guy laws written after Jacob can't be used to judge Jacob because he is not aware of such law!
Take for instance God later condemned incest in the laws given to Israelites while Abraham married his own sister.
So we're talking about what you're aware of not what you don't know! smiley

You know, I asked what law was used to judge Cain for killing his brother...
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:23pm On Mar 05
Roycemadeit:

You know, I asked what law was used to judge Cain for killing his brother...

The golden rule that all intelligent creatures are created with!

"All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12

No sane human wants his life to be shortened so that doesn't need any law at all! smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 11:09am On Mar 07
MaxInDHouse:


The golden rule that all intelligent creatures are created with!

"All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12

No sane human wants his life to be shortened so that doesn't need any law at all! smiley

You pointed out that there was no law against stealing blessings, so Jacob wasn't at fault. Yet, when discussing the absence of a law against Abel's murder, you cited intrinsic understanding and quoted from Matthew. This seems contradictory since you implied stealing blessings was acceptable without a law, suggesting we rely on laws to discern right from wrong... You must see how contradiction makes a ridicule of belief.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:05pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

You pointed out that there was no law against stealing blessings, so Jacob wasn't at fault. Yet, when discussing the absence of a law against Abel's murder, you cited intrinsic understanding and quoted from Matthew. This seems contradictory since you implied stealing blessings was acceptable without a law, suggesting we rely on laws to discern right from wrong... You must see how contradiction makes a ridicule of belief.

Jacob didn't steal the blessing rather he earned it by cherishing it more than Isaac's first born son Esau who despised it! Genesis 25:27-34
Re: Trust Not God by Dtruthspeaker: 3:04pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:


You know, I asked what law was used to judge Cain for killing his brother...

The Law of knowing good and evil and that it is evil to kill and that is good to uphold The Law, exactly as i pray that The Lord will judge you for all your evils and will again Up Hold, The Law!
Re: Trust Not God by Dtruthspeaker: 3:13pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

The absence of wrong makes it challenging to discern what is right, just as the lack of bad prevents the understanding of good. In navigating between these extremes, choices emerge. ..]

Do you claim to not know the right or the wrong in killing a man?
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:26pm On Mar 07
Dtruthspeaker:


Do you claim to not know the right or the wrong in killing a man?

Your Question is asides the point I was making... I was talking about polarity but let me oblige you with some answers: Right and Wrong is defined by circumstance and perspective... Are you right to have killed a person who intended to kill you and your family because he covets your property? Are you wrong to kill a person who is suffering from a great pain, a pain with no cure in existence?
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:30pm On Mar 07
Dtruthspeaker:


The Law of knowing good and evil and that it is evil to kill and that is good to uphold The Law, exactly as i pray that The Lord will judge you for all your evils and will again Up Hold, The Law!

In what verse was this law given before Cain killed Abel?
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:41pm On Mar 07
MaxInDHouse:


Jacob didn't steal the blessing rather he earned it by cherishing it more than Isaac's first born son Esau who despised it! Genesis 25:27-34


I didn't mention inheritance or birthright... I said blessings...

This is still you justifying that JACOB was right to covet his brother's inheritance to the extent that he could not share a meal with him in love.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:51pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

I didn't mention inheritance or birthright... I said blessings...
This is still you justifying that JACOB was right to covet his brother's inheritance to the extent that he could not share a meal with him in love.

The blessing was for both children but the inheritance of birthright belongs to the firstborn which Esau sold to Jacob.

So how can you say he stole what has been SOLD to him? smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:59pm On Mar 07
MaxInDHouse:


The blessing was for both children but the inheritance of birthright belongs to the firstborn which Esau sold to Jacob.

So how can you say he stole what has been SOLD to him? smiley

Really? I thought you were not knowledgeable about the bible... Did you not read that he deceived his father to obtain his blessings
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:21pm On Mar 07
Roycemadeit:

Really? I thought you were not knowledgeable about the bible... Did you not read that he deceived his father to obtain his blessings

The father didn't know the agreement between his two sons so when he called Esau to receive the blessing meant for the firstborn Esau supposed to tell his father that it's no longer his own but Jacob's that's why Rebecca called the rightful owner of the firstborn blessing to act fast.

So it was Esau who wanted to eat his cake and still have it after selling his birth right to Jacob not the other way around!
Re: Trust Not God by Dtruthspeaker: 6:58am On Mar 08
Roycemadeit:


In what verse was this law given before Cain killed Abel?

Did you not read about the place where they entered into The Law of knowing good and evil?
Re: Trust Not God by Dtruthspeaker: 7:09am On Mar 08
Roycemadeit:


Your Question is asides the point I was making... I was talking about polarity but let me oblige you with some answers: Right and Wrong is defined by circumstance and perspective... Are you right to have killed a person who intended to kill you and your family because he covets your property? Are you wrong to kill a person who is suffering from a great pain, a pain with no cure in existence?

The question is the point for the question is to point to you to see whether you did not know the right and wrong even before the circumstance, which already dispenses your wrong notion that right and wrong comes only after a circumstance has occured whereas, right and wrong is already in place waiting long long before a circumstance occurs.
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:30am On Mar 08
Dtruthspeaker:


The question is the point for the question is to point to you to see whether you did not know the right and wrong even before the circumstance, which already dispenses your wrong notion that right and wrong comes only after a circumstance has occured whereas, right and wrong is already in place waiting long long before a circumstance occurs.



Was Jacob wrong to have decieved his father to obtain his blessings?
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:31am On Mar 08
Dtruthspeaker:


Did you not read about the place where they entered into The Law of knowing good and evil?



It was not law but knowledge...

yet, you say they needed to make law first to judge Jacob
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 10:22am On Mar 08
Dtruthspeaker:


The question is the point for the question is to point to you to see whether you did not know the right and wrong even before the circumstance, which already dispenses your wrong notion that right and wrong comes only after a circumstance has occured whereas, right and wrong is already in place waiting long long before a circumstance occurs.


The chance of gaining knowledge from tasting a fruit is slim, except when discerning its freshness or spoilage based on taste - if they are poor of sight.

Furthermore, distinguishing between good and bad relies heavily on prior experiences. Experience acts as a guide, revealing the consequences of actions and aiding in decision-making. This underscores the significance of true history; neglecting it for fiction leads to futile cycles.

Now, let's entertain your fictional narrative. You argue that knowledge of good and bad existed post-fruit consumption. However, consider Jacob deceiving his father for blessings: without a defined moral code, his act wasn't deemed sinful. Yet, if he lacked awareness of wrongdoing, he'd have disguised himself. Thus, the absence of punishment for covetousness suggests divine favoritism, casting doubt on God's fairness.
Re: Trust Not God by Dtruthspeaker: 12:13pm On Mar 08
Roycemadeit:

[b]The chance of gaining knowledge from tasting a fruit is slim, except when discerning its freshness or spoilage based on taste -...

Why are you.disgracing yourself na with your horrible departure from post? Did you not go to school and learnt figures of speech? So when men say i chop the girl it means the girl was killed and cut like beef, cooked and eaten?

Obviously, you are still a child with no understanding.

Roycemadeit:

However, consider Jacob deceiving his father for blessings: without a defined moral code, his act wasn't deemed sinful

Have i not answered you that The Law of good and evil was on ground? And did the bible say he did not sin?

There are reasons why no grown up thought to askthis questions; it is because they are stupid, so grow up first.
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 12:39pm On Mar 08
Dtruthspeaker:


Why are you.disgracing yourself na with your horrible departure from post? Did you not go to school and learnt figures of speech? So when men say i chop the girl it means the girl was killed and cut like beef, cooked and eaten?

Obviously, you are still a child with no understanding.



Have i not answered you that The Law of good and evil was on ground? And did the bible say he did not sin?

There are reasons why no grown up thought to askthis questions; it is because they are stupid, so grow up first.



Oh, the bible uses figures of speech grin... Are the curses also figure of speech?
Re: Trust Not God by Dtruthspeaker: 12:48pm On Mar 08
Roycemadeit:

Was Jacob wrong to have decieved his father to obtain his blessings?

This is thedefinition of prejudice for you.have already prejudged jacob a deceiver. So since you have judged him already, then your question is stupid for you by yourself, without hearing from jacob, have already.judged him a deceiver. Thank God, God is the appellate Court. And you had better know that.Jacob will accuse you and take you to God's Court for libel and slander.
Re: Trust Not God by Dtruthspeaker: 12:52pm On Mar 08
Roycemadeit:


Oh, the bible uses figures of speech grin... Are the curses also figure of speech?

Is life not hard and do women not suffer birth issues?

So on top of your illiteracy and appalling undetstanding, you are also blind.too? More reasons why you should be burnt and destroyed like a bad and useless robot.

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