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Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Maximus692(m): 8:10pm On Mar 16 |
MrPresident1: So David is qualified for everlasting life shey? |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MrPresident1: 8:16pm On Mar 16 |
Maximus692: According to eleri jehofa, he isn't? |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 8:25pm On Mar 16 |
Ken4Christ: His plan was to marry only one wife. Like Abraham, [b]he was forced and did not do it on his own unlike what you are telling people to do which is to comit adultery by using marriage and hiding.under the cover of marriage. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Maximus692(m): 8:55pm On Mar 16 |
MrPresident1: According to the Bible David is yet to qualified for everlasting life! He must bow for Christ's counsel within the 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus and accept the standard God set in the beginning not injustice that humans introduced along the way. So he must learn to do away with swords {Matthew 26:52} with anger {Matthew 5:22} forgive and pray for his enemies {Luke 6:27-28} with polygamy {Matthew 19:4} failure to do all these he will return to hell because apart from Born Again disciples of Christ no one is qualified for everlasting life until the end of Christ's 1,000 years reign! Revelation 20:5 Whoever fail to master Christ's personality within the 1,000 years will perish no matter who he is for all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory! Romans 3:23 |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Ken4Christ: 12:04am On Mar 17 |
Veecruz: Did God condemn him? Remember, he was the only man who was said to have wrestled with God and prevailed. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Ken4Christ: 12:09am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: That I don't drink alcohol doesn't mean I will condemn those who drink it. That I personally don't love polygamy doesn't mean I will condemn anyone practicing it. My point is that if you a very strong urge for sex, it's better to marry the number of women you want to gratify your sexual urge than to stick to one before the eyes of men but you are cheating with many other women. Is this not hypocrisy? |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 5:56am On Mar 17 |
Ken4Christ: That is what "he was forced and did not do it on his own" means. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 5:58am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: That is what it means to know good and evil. Every one knows sin before thry.do it. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 7:08am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: A mam should take a second wife afrer the first wife has approved of it. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 7:09am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: If that us what he wants and his wife is accepting if it YES! HMM. SOME OF YOU ACTUALLY THINK WE WON'T ANSWER YES AS OUR HONEST ANSWER. 😛 |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 7:13am On Mar 17 |
paxonel: My dear, there is no.evidence for aaying what you are saying and you should know better than making claims without providing an evidence to back it up. You opinion is based on the idea that when you have two or more women in a home that generates hatred. But what you do not realize is the fact that human psychology is way more complex than you have said it. Look into the bible, and you will see happy and well brought up children who are from polygamous homes. All of you being against polygamy being christian should just take a back sit because you have no case and no point! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 7:18am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: My dear the scripture you quoted has got nothing to do with the topic at hand! You all should even listen to yourselves when you speak! My dear, Polygamy is TRUE, RIGHTEOUS, CHASTE AND PRAISE WORTHY! YOU ALL THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT OF A THING, THEN IT BECINES BAD! A THING IS NOT BAD BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT! AND YES, THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE VIRTEOUS, AND WILL ADVICE THEIR MOTHERS, SISTERS, OR FEMALE FRIENDS TO BECOME A SECOND WIFE! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by FxMasterz: 7:21am On Mar 17 |
Ken4Christ: This issue you raised about Christian marriages is true. But I think Paul wrote to Timothy and Titus to tell everyone of us that one wife is the best for a man who'll go into Christian leadership. I don't see how a polygamous man would be able to manage such a complex family affair and combine it with the extreme complexity of church management. It all boils down to leadership focus and efficiency. A man with no wife would be a better focused and efficient leader. He'll be able to dedicate himself to service much better than a man with one wife. In the same vein, a man with one wife is much better than the one with two. The one with two is also a better leader than the one with 3, and so on and so forth. The more wives a man has, the less dedication and time he'll be able to commit to kingdom service. One wife is good for Christian leadership but no wife is better. This is also Paul's position but mainstream Christianity has made polygamy a sin which it is not. ]Please who I'll tell us where the doctrines of closing one's eyes while praying comes from? This doctrine is not anywhere in the Bible. 1 Like |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by paxonel(m): 7:49am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension:Happy and well brought up children like Absolom who raped his step sister and wanted to overthrow his father, or Joseph that was sold by his step brothers? Which happy children from polygamous home in the bible are you talking about? Polygamy may guarantee a happy family and well brought up children, but in a very rare case(1 out of 50) especially in Africa where ignorance is revailent. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 7:54am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: @ bolded I want you to provide evidence to SHOW THAT THE SO-CALLED SUFFERING ANY ONE IN THE BIBLE SUFFERED, IS DUE TO ''POLYGAMY''. IT WILL BE A MASSIVE SHAME ON YOU IF YOU GO AND POINT AT THE COMMON ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE IN HOMES, POLYGAMY OR NOT AS PRESENT IT AS ISSUES WRONG WITH POLYGAMY! At this point, I know you are going to say jealous, envy, hatred, etc, are all product of polygamy. Well, lets see if that is true and that you don't find it in dangerous levels in momogamy as well! First of all, lets look at monogamies in the bible and see if these ''problems'' exist. Adam and Eve Adam and Eve was a mogamous marriage yet, we could find all the things you listed above in dangerously high levels! Cain and Abel offered sacrifices to god and the bible says Cain became FURIOUS and SCOWLED in ANGER! (gen 4:5). His anger reached such a dangerous level that god had to warn him to be careful. God said: ''because you have done evil, SIN IS CROUCHING AT YOUR DOOR AND IT WANTS TO RULE YOU, BUT YOU MUST OVERCOME IT.''. Because the anger and jealousy was so great, he turned around and did the worst: KILL ABEL! That's case No1. Case No2: Isaac and Rebecca This is another monogamy, whose ONLY CHILDREN were TWINS, and as you will see, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES, that there was a dangerous level of ENVY, HATRED, JEALOUSY, ATTEMPTED MURDER, CURSE, FAVOURITISM AND THEFT. Even though Cain and Abel were twins, the bible says: Isaac prefered Essau while Rebecca prefered Jacob (Gen 25:28). That's favouritism which you think polygamy breeds! the favouritism was at such a dangerous level that when Isaac wanted to bless Essau, one of Rebecca's children, she plotted and STOLE the blessings for Jacob. When Essau heard it, he said: ''THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HE IS CHEATING ME'' (Gen 27:36). In vs 41, it says: Essau HATED Jacob and that he will KILL Jacob. In vs 44, Rebecca said to Jacob to stay with his uncle until his brother's ANGER had cooled down. So, can we say these are due to monogamy? Now, lets look at polygamy and see if there exists virtue and some of God's loftiests ideals. Lamech (Gen 4: 18-22) The bible says Lamech had two wives and he had three sons. The first one, Jabal, was the father of those who did agriculture. The second was the father of musicians, and the third one was the father of those who made crafts. When the bible says ''they are they fathers of...'' it means they were so accomplished in their chosen careers that when you mention those careers, they are the first ones that will cone to mind. They became famous for these professions due to their hard work, dedication and delligence. According to sociologists, there is a strong correlation between career success and a very well adjusted home. Jacob's polygamous home When the other brothers plotted to kill Joseph, Reuben, Jacob's first born who DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTHER WITH JOSEPH BY THE WAY, planned to save him. Also, take note that his brothers hate him not because he had a different mother, but because ''joseph loved him more than the others''(Gen 37:4). Also, see that all his brothers who hated him, were also children of different mothers. They also loved Benjamin and protected him even though he was born of Rachel, Joseph's mother. Judah said he PLEDGED HIS LIFE FOR BENJAMIN (Gen 44:32). After Joseph had been sold and Reuben.came back to the well and dis not find him, the bible said he TORE HIS CLOTHES IN SORROW! (Gen 37:29) What about Gideon, who the bibke says.had many wives yet NOT A SINGLE EVIL WAS RECORDED TO HIS NAME INSTEAD, HE WAS MENTIONED IN HEBREWS 11 AS A MODEL OF FAITH TO THE BORN AGAIN. I know you are shocked because you hope is, I will never find something like this from the bible! You all are SERIOUSLY TO IGNORANT TO HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS ISSUE YET, YOU CONFIDENTLY STEP UP WHENEVER THIS DISCUSSION ARISES. When God told Peter that he should not call unclean what to him is clean, He was rebuking you chriatians from having an opinion based on prejudice! (Acts 10: 15) Peter did not know enough about what is clean or not clean in the sight of God. So, out of his partial or total ignorance, he called unclean what to god is holy. Just as you are sinfully calling polygamy unclean when to God it is Holy, admirable, blessed, functional, good and praise worthy. Let me tell you the dangers of not knowing your God's stands on issues and then go on to have an false knowledge about it. Because Peter thinks the gentiles are not of God because they have not carried out all the purifications prescribed in the law of moses, and because they are not 'decendants' of Abraham, is the reason why he pulled back from the them when he saw Paul and the jews coming in the way. (Gal 2:11-21) As a result of that move, he denied the gentile christians the benefit of his annointing which they would have got if he stayed with them! The bible says: ''People learn from one another, just as iron sharpens iron'' Proverbs 27:17. Yes, God could still have got the same benefit to the people whether or not Peter choses that he be used as agent of God in the process, as his reach is not limited by soace or time. But why would god do things himself when he has an ambassador in you? The reason ge gas you there is that you might share in his work to save man. So, Peter, in withdrawing from the gentiles for fear and ignorance of what God considers clean, committed a grave sin against the lord! In the same way too, because you have chosen to not know the truth and mind of God concerning popygamy, you are committing a grave sin against the lord! Because it shapes your mind and attitutde in a negative way to that holy institution and those who come from it! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Maximus692(m): 8:08am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension: Your daughter brought a young man to you so that you can assist him to become financially strong in order to take care of her and her children to be born so you did everything within your capability to assist the young man just because he's the one your daughter chooses to marry. If the same man now your son in-law comes to you for advice on polygamy what will you tell him, to go ahead or discard the idea? |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Maximus692(m): 8:12am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension: Don't worry there's nothing wrong with both whether polygamy or polyandry after all God never condemned any! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 9:55am On Mar 17 |
paxonel: You know: you people just don't know the rules of arguement and instead of asking that you be taught, you just plunge yourselves into deep waters with absolute recklessness! If you are going to mention Absalom's behaviour, you CAN'T JUST STOP THERE, YOU WILL HAVE TO MENTION why his behaviour was due to polygamy! I mean this is very simole and straight forward! So, when I look at Cain getting ao Jealous of Abel that he got him killed, then I ahould attribute that murderous behaviour to the fact that his father married only one wife? You people should make use of your heads ao you don't obtain the reputation of being block heads! What is the connection between polygamy and Absalom's behaviour? But the very fact, you bring logical falacies,a.dn that you cannot provide a coherent arguement, shows that you and all the other people on your side of the debate, including @Maximus, are not of God! One of the tell-tale signs that one is of God and is speaking the mind of God concerning things, is that he provides a clear and logically accurate and coherent arguement! This is beacsue God promised you, the christian, that you have been given a spirit of SOUND MIND (2 Tim 1:7). That is why when Peter and John were brought before the council after healing a man at beautiful gate, he floored every body there with his superior elloquence and logically coherent arguement! Go back and read it again (Acts 4). Infact, to point to you that him being able to present in a very elloquent manner, his logically cohenrent arguement, was due to the fact that he had the Holy Ghost in him, the opened by saying ''Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, spoke up and said:...'' (Acts 4:6). And like I said: this is in fulfilment of the scripture which says: ''...I have given you a spirit of sound mind'' Peter could not have floored the elders, if he was not elloquent and presented a logically coherent arguement. The part of this speech that shows he provided a logical arguement can be seen in his final remark: he said: ''judge for yourselves whom we should obey, you or God'' (Acts 4 vs 19). So, you, @Paxonel, pointing to Absalom's behaviour and presenting it like it was caused by polygamy without showing us how it is was cause by polygamy, especially when this and mant other evil are found in the lives of monogamous families, means you are presenting a logical fallacy and like we have seen, that is the sure sign that you are speking the mind of the devil concerning this issue! You don't have the spirit of God otherwise, you would have provided a logically.coherent arguement! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 9:57am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension: And only a mad wife will ever approve such an evil thing, like only a mad man will give approval to his wife to marry another man, so The Law has tied them permanently. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 10:01am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: You Lie! God did. Here it is. Deuteronomy 17:14-18 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell there... Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:03am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: Thank you for admitting the truth! For that, I will commend you by saying: You are smart! you are loyal!! Take💰, go buy you mama house, 💰Go buy youself houses, 💰Go spend some money for no reason, 💰come back and ask for more! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:09am On Mar 17 |
Veecruz: The concluding part of that scripture says: ''...nor shall you multiply gold'' (DethroneYourEnemy 17:18). So, tell me...when are you going to sell all your private jets and stop the preaching of prosperity gospel? You go cherry picking and think that is acceptable in serious circles. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:15am On Mar 17 |
Veecruz: Leah and Rachel were all mad women, and Jacob was a mad man too? Of course, he did not marry their handmaids and those handmaids were only concubines and did not have the same status as wives in those societies, but I think my example stands. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 10:16am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension: Off point! We are talking about the sin of multiplying wives and not about the sin of politicians and pastors inriching themselves.Goal post changer |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 10:17am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension: Clearly, they were mad but your point is Off point! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:24am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: If you were the one speaking the truth and the mind of god concerning this issue, you woild definitely have a rebuttal! He said: when that tine comes, do not bother about what to say, for it will be given to you by the holy ghost (matt 10:19). Or by you not having a powerful rebuttal, you saying God is not faithful to fulfil his promise to you? We all know God is faithful because he said even while you are unfaithful, I am always faithful (2 Tim 2:13) and he said ''this word shall not return to me void, it sha accompish whatever it is said to do (Isaiah 55:11). So, with that in mind, we can confidently say that it is you @Maximus692 that is speaking lies about God's position on polygamy. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:34am On Mar 17 |
Veecruz: You really wish you have so much power beyond what you currently have. A point is ''off-point'' not because you say so, but because of its demerits. So, what is the demerit of my point? |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:36am On Mar 17 |
Veecruz: or more accurately put ''the sin of saying God is against the holy and praise-worthy insitution called polygamy''. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 10:40am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension: Now we see devil calling adultery, holy! |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:40am On Mar 17 |
Maximus692: If his wife agrees, yes! Or have you forgotten that men are the ones who usually do not have any problem when it comes to their daughter's marriage? |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by MiddleDimension: 10:43am On Mar 17 |
Veecruz: In second Samuel, God was quoted as saying I gave you more wives, and if that was not enough, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU MORE. Are you saying God does doubke standards? Are you saying god indulges in iniquity? I know you really wish that passage is not in the bible. If you had the power, you would have removed it completely from the bible, I know your likes abd what you are capable of. |
Re: The Nation Of Israel Was Founded On Polygamy. by Veecruz: 10:45am On Mar 17 |
MiddleDimension: A point is off point, because it is away from the point. And the point is not about the exanples.of people who were mad enough to give their husbands or wives to other women or men. So, you were off point |
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