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RightChannel:
Even Torah the book of Moses found in the Bible was written by Paul right?



Go to school u said school na scam you see how gulible u r?

Written and COMPILED
Maybe u should check compiled in dictionary sorry



Will you explain this your statement



I've been interacting with many slaves here on nairaland but I've seen anyone so gullible like you among them

ahmedio2017:
You are the one that is loosing it o my brother check ur self o

RightChannel:
Let us pick it up from another angle since you're avoiding answering my question

Who wrote the uncorrupted Bible you lay mentioned?

ahmedio2017:
Which one is corrupted and uncorrupted?


Bible is Bible
And Bible Is a corrupted book.
Torah is a book given to Moses
Injeej is a book given to Moses


It is quite different oga, Jesus knew nothing about Bible he recognized Torah.

Jesus Christ PBUH said I have not come to abolished the laws but to amend it.....

ahmedio2017:
I didn't dispute it either.......

They are separate books oga. Bible is corrupted and altered you are just disturbing yourself. Torah and injeel can also be found in the bible doesn't connote that Torah and injeel is Bible. At least u go school na....

RightChannel:
Are you daft whenever you're typing or your mind isn't here while typing?

You said there's a Bible that is corrupt!


You have big problems

Bible is written and COMPILED by Paul



Who wrote the corrupted Bible you are talking about??

ANTlISLAM:
SLAVE, but I asked who name your book to be called Quran you didn't answer

I also asked who name Torah and Injeel you refused to answer likewise but you continue asking kindergarten question

Bobo, ask your chief imam where it is written that your islamic book was named Quran and come back here to reinstall your rotted brain



Did you still have any question on slave and the reason why you are allah's slaves?

ANTlISLAM:
Slave ahmedio2017, when will you answer my question? Is it a crime answering question in islam? Even your brother and Chief Slave AntiChristian hates answering my question

Ohyoudidnt:
Wonderful assertions. Is it not contradictory? You say your God is of 3 equal God's in Father, son and holy spirit that are not equal to one another yet are all God? Is this not confusing? When of the three equal one is most supreme or isn't this? Jesus did say the father God is greater than him and knows what he doesn't know. This same father sends the holy spirit and son Jesus but the latter 2 don't send the father or do they?

Ohyoudidnt:
Is it like water a molecule of 2 hydrogen atoms that can be separated into it's constituents or Ozone that may be different Isotopes of Oxygen?

TenQ:
Your only way out of your quagmire is as usual to create a Strawman for yourself instead of facing the real fact. You had to redefine Trinity to suit your own narrative and continued to use your created. Why did you not t quote me exactly and move on form there?

According to Islam, is Jesus not
1. A messanger of Allah
2. The Word of Allah
3. A spirit from Allah
Is there Three Jesus in Islam? Can you explain how Jesus is three different personalities yet one.
Is the Word of Allah the Same as a Spirit! ?
Is a Messanger of Allah the same as the Word of Allah! ?

I have asked you repeatedly in the past:
1. Is it true that your prophet says that the prophets are in their graves praying to Allah?
2. Is it true that Mohammed rode the Al-Burak to paradise and he met with the prophets of God in heaven?
If this is the case, do we have two Moses and two Adam and two David's one in the grave and the other in paradise?

3. Is it untrue that in Islam at death, two angels come to the grave to ask three questions from the dead. Suppose a dead man gave instructions that his body be vapourised would He still face the questioning of the Angels? Common sense doesn't tell you that a man exists in at least two different forms either as a physical being or a spiritual being



Since you know a little science, why did you not use the Wave-Particle duality of matter. I will advise you to separate the wave from the particle and still arrive at matter!

Matter presents itself in two dimensions of either Particle or Wave.

Is it untrue that Even in Islam man is at least a Duality of his Body and Spirit/Soul ?

Adam, Moses, David are dead, yet your prophet saw them and spoke with them: how difficult can that be in comprehension?


I am sure you would not answer the question below
Is it Untrue that Your Soul/Spirit is YOU
Is it Untrue that Your Body is b]YOU[/b]

If these are untrue, what are your Evidences?

ahmedio2017:
Bible is written and COMPILED by Paul

ahmedio2017:
MUMU,
I have answered all your questions
It is you that is adamant, u are not willing to learn and unlearn the useless things they had put in ur brain.......

ahmedio2017:
Allah named it Quran

Allah says He has revealed the Quran and He will protect it (15:9).

ahmedio2017:
Your great forefathers are slave of God's creatures and you too are slave of God's creatures

ahmedio2017:
I'm so proud to be a slave of Allah.....
I serve him by worshiping him five times a day..... I served him through solat and not u that is worshiping a messenger of God what a shame....

ahmedio2017:
I'm worshiping what your god is worshiping and not your god....

ahmedio2017:
Jesus Christ PBUH is a MUSLIM and he was a messenger of God....

ahmedio2017:
God of Abraham, Jacob and of Isaac Glorify his SERVANT JESUS.........

Ohyoudidnt:
Mr. Do 1. A messanger of Allah ,2. The Word of Allah and 3. A spirit from Allah refer to different entities? Are the father, son and holy spirit not different amd existing at different locations?

When Jesus was on earth wasn't the Father said to be in heaven and didn't Jesus have the support of the holy spirit as well as send him by your Christian view to the apostles after he departed? Isn't this clear distinction of them being different?

Ogbeni a dispute at a time please? What's your aim in mixing up the subject of discourse. Are you seeking confusion or misdirection of the discourse

ahmedio2017:
Quote the ayat and read it well, Christian who do good and BELIEVE.

NOW the question is do you belief in Allah and prophet Muhammad s.a.w?

ahmedio2017:
Maybe you should list out the 124,000 prophets....

ahmedio2017:
It is your spirit and soul that will be questioned because once you die you become a spirit.

TenQ:
Are you saying that your soul/spirit is NOT you?

TenQ:
Are they my prophets or the prophets of your Allah?

Are you saying that this is a fraud?
I am yet to know the prophets sent to Nigeria alone.

Show just one evidence that Allah gave ANY of the books he gave his 124,000 prophets a name except the book of Mohammed?


Where did you see all this? Is that what ur pastors are telling you? Use ur senses na

TenQ:
Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.











Now do you believe in Allah?






No problem : should evil Christians go to paradise?

Christians and Jews have our God Yahweh : your Allah claim to be the same as our God.

The Allah of Christians and Jews is Yahweh and in Him we believe.

Have you read Qur'an 19:71-72?
Hell fire is guaranteed for you by Allah but he will later remove you from the fire leaving the evil doers on their knees. Is this not the promise of Allah to you?

Ohyoudidnt:
1. Was Jesus really crucified?

The Gospel of John portrays Jesus’ crucifixion occurring on the day of preparation for Passover, while the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) suggest it happened after Passover. Which really was it?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Synoptic Gospels mention Simon of Cyrene helping Jesus carry his cross, while John’s Gospel does not include this detail.

The Gospel of John presents a different sequence of events during the crucifixion compared to the Synoptic Gospels.


In John, Jesus’ trial before Pontius Pilate occurs before the trial before Annas, whereas in the Synoptics, it happens after.

In John’s Gospel, Nicodemus assists Joseph of Arimathea in preparing Jesus’ body for burial, whereas in the Synoptics, Joseph of Arimathea alone takes initiative to bury Jesus.

In John, the inscription on the cross reads “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. In the Synoptic Gospels, it simply states “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews” in Latin and Greek.

In John, Jesus is said to have spoken to the women present at the crucifixion, specifically his mother Mary and the disciple’s mother, while in the Synoptics, there is no mention of this interaction.

In John’s Gospel, Jesus willingly gives up his spirit and declares “It is finished,” whereas in the Synoptics, he cries out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”) before he dies.

In John, it is the Roman soldier who pierces Jesus’ side with a spear, while in the Synoptics, it is a soldier from the Jewish authorities.

The Gospels offer varying accounts regarding who discovered the empty tomb first and what they saw there.

The timing and circumstances surrounding Jesus’ appearances after his resurrection differ among the Gospel narratives.

The Gospels were written decades after the events they describe, raising questions about their accuracy and reliability as historical sources.

Ohyoudidnt:
The lack of contemporary non-Christian sources documenting Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection has led some to question the veracity of these events.

Ohyoudidnt:
The Gospel of Matthew describes Judas Iscariot’s remorse after betraying Jesus and returning the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests before hanging himself.

In contrast, the Book of Acts narrates Judas falling headlong and bursting open in a field. So what truly happened to Judas Iscariot? Or did he buy land with the proceeds of his betrayal?

Ohyoudidnt:
Could theological motivations have influenced how the Gospel writers shaped their narratives, potentially leading to embellishments or alterations for doctrinal purposes?

Differences in emphasis or theological themes across the Gospels have raised questions about whether they present a completely objective historical record.

According to the Gospel of Mark, Jesus was crucified at the third hour (Mark 15:25), which is usually interpreted as 9 AM. It is mentioned that he died before sunset, as the Sabbath was approaching (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54). This would suggest a timespan of approximately six to nine hours from the time of crucifixion to death.


Mark 15:44 mentioned that Pilate marveled at the news of Jesus’ swift death and summoned the centurion to confirm if Jesus was indeed dead before granting permission for his body to be given to Joseph of Arimathea for burial. This account suggests that Pilate had doubts about the rapidity of Jesus’ death and wanted to ensure that he was truly deceased before allowing his body to be taken down from the cross.

Ohyoudidnt:
2. In the Book of Genesis, Adam is described as a son of God (Genesis 5:1-2). In the Book of Exodus, Moses is instructed by God to tell Pharaoh that Israel is His firstborn son (Exodus 4:22-23). These instances suggest that the concept of being a child of God existed before the time of Jesus.

Now in absolute terms does your designing and building a house or car make it your child?

Ohyoudidnt:
3. What do you mean by Islam creating another means of salvation? Please be specific or detailed so I understand you.

Ohyoudidnt:
4. It seems you have a misconception and gross misunderstanding of the verse you may refer to but it's wrong I pre-empt you so please explain this.

Ohyoudidnt:
5. By God's solution do you refer to this being through Jesus? How come a same God of yesterday, today and forever change the course at some point in the journey. The rules and laws of God are said not to change.

Ohyoudidnt:
The following questions tend towards some repetition of the former except

3. Matthew 22:30, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. The question is why should mankind change to angels? These are separate entities or aren't they?

Revelation 21:1-4 describes that there will be a new heaven and a new earth where God will live with his people. “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” This suggests that there will be a sense of community and companionship in Heaven.

The marriages in Islam you refer to are in what sense? Are these relations same as earthly ones. That you will continue enjoying companionship of your earthly wives in paradise doesn't mean it will be like that on earth.

The relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah is one of companionship, beauty, and pleasure.The nature of this relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah will be that the relationship is purely spiritual and symbolic, representing the ultimate fulfillment and joy that believers will experience in Paradise.

ahmedio2017:
Non believers will be made to stay in hell fire forever.....

ANTlISLAM:
ABIRUN ELERIBU,


Eeya sorry I can feel your pains



How does your response below answer the question who name your book to be called Quran with evidence from your islamic book

Thank God we can see where Allah says he revealed and protected QURAN






How does this answer my question odeh


Oya show us where God says he revealed Bible in the bible lolzzzzz

Listen carefully Omo Eru-Iku, my forefathers are Children of God, I am also his beloved Child.

1 John 3:2

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Eeya Omo Omo olohun, pele. I pray it is not too late for you sha because if you die like this Omo hell fire straight o, because you don't have belief in Allah and prophet Muhammad s.a.w


Omo Eru Iku, I'm happy for you that you're a maggot, hopeless, useless, lifeless, crazy and rotted slave of allah that has NO hope of his end aftermath


Thank you

Slave, what are you saying? My God is not like allah that him and his angels prayed for Muhammad but you never ask your chief imam whom allah with his angels sent their prayer request to since he is your chief idol in islam

We have Quran already and we believed everything inside.

Hehehehehehe werey re oo, so one can be a Muslim without not banging his head on the ground five times in a day abi? Or Quran ever tell you say Jesus Christ prays to allah five times in a day while facing the direction of kaaba ehn?

Ask ur pastors how Jesus use to worship his God.... He used to wash his hand, face and feet and bow down with his face and pray to his God. Aaron did the same, we talked about abrogation earlier it was prophet Muhammad s.a.w the last prophet of God that came to perfected solat for the mankind.


Is allah God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac?

ahmedio2017:
The prophets of Islam include: Adam, Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud (Heber), Saleh (Methusaleh), Lut (Lot), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), Yusuf (Joseph), Shu'aib (Jethro), Ayyub (Job), Dhulkifl (Ezekiel), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Dawud (David), Sulayman (Solomon), Ilyas (Elias), ...


How many prophets mentioned in Quran by name?
25 prophets
Allah (SWT) selected 25 prophets to spread His messages.

Allah said, “O, Adam! This is a salutation for you and your children until the Resurrection Day.” Then Allah brought out his offspring from the backbone and took the covenant of His oneness. Prophet Adam saw a group from his progeny, bright and brilliant and he asked who they were. Allah said, “They are the apostles from your offspring.” Adam asked their number and Allah responded, “They are One hundred and twenty four thousand. Among them are three hundred and fifteen Prophets.” Adam asked, “Who is the last of them and who looks more luminous than others?”
Hayat Al-Qulub, Vol. 1. Stories of the prophet.
Muhammad Baqir Majlisi

Narrated by Ibn Hibban in his Tafseer, 963
Abu Umamah said: I said: O Prophet of Allah, how many prophets were there? He said: “One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.”

ahmedio2017:
You are talking about your body being eaten by fish or lion. It is your spirit and soul that will be questioned....

TenQ:
The question is:
Are you saying that your soul/spirit is NOT you?

TenQ:
It seems you don't know that Allah said that there are some unnamed prophets or messangers in the Qur'an. Do you think they are limited to 25?



Listen to yourself prophet that are not MENTIONED how can you now expect book from unnamed prophet use ur senses


Qur'an 4:163-164
And messengers We have mentioned to you before, and messengers We have not mentioned to you, - and to Musa (Moses) Allah spoke directly”


Are these verses below untrue?
Qur'an 35:24
“Verily! We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner. And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them”

Qur'an 10:47
To every people (was sent) a messenger: when their messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.



You will agree with me that the number of nations of the world should even be more than 124,000.


This is where your scholars are getting the 124,000 warner or messangers.



Narrated by Ibn Hibban, 361
Abu Dharr said: I said: O Messenger of Allah, how many prophets were there? He said: “One hundred and twenty four thousand.” I said: O Messenger of Allah, how many of them were Messengers? He said: “Three hundred and thirteen, a good number.” I said: O Messenger of Allah, who was the first of them? He said: “Adam.”

Ok, but named prophet are 25 what about that?

Even though the number of Prophets sent to Nigeria alone should be about 300,
Let me make your job easier. Let's focus only on the 25 prophets you know. How many of them did Allah give their books a name apart from the book of Mohammed?

TenQ:
But you Muslims are guaranteed to stay in hell fire for some undefined time before you are removed by Allah and he will leave the evil doers hobbling on their knees.

1. No Muslim know how long this time will be. Is it a million years or 7 million years.

We are only PASSING through and not meant to stay, it is your abode unbelievers as you will be made to stay there FOREVER

2. What is guaranteed is that you MUSLIMS MUST enter the fire of hell.

It is actually all mankind not only Muslims
You lack knowledge of ayat

Too bad!

ahmedio2017:
Your body, spirit, and soul belongs to you and God who created you. Whether you like it or not you will be questioned when u die whether you are buried or not....

Allah is not like your god who used to make mistakes

ahmedio2017:
They are all Muslims, and they all believed in oneness of God and submitted to the will of God

ahmedio2017:
I have told you stop misquoting Quran

(19:70) and then We shall know well all those most worthy to be cast in Hell. (19:71) There is NOT ONE of you but shall pass by Hell. This is a decree which your Lord will fulfil. (19:72) Then We shall DELIVER THOSE THAT FEARED ALLAH and LEAVE THE WRONG-DOERS there on their knees.

TenQ:
I lost my first response to this which was comprehensive : this will be an abridged version

TenQ:
1. All you need to do is to find out if the Passover is a single day event or a seven or eight day event. Then, the apparent before or after the passover is subject to interpretation of which particular day of the passover. The four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified isn't it?
2. It seems you are more knowledgeable that Allah and Mohammed combined as they never mentioned passover as an issue of contention
3. What has the verse
Qur'an 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

What is the meaning of the phrase but so it was made to appear to them, with respect to the passover?




And Allah in his wisdom prepared the datails that could only have been the truth!?
The independent reporters of the event of crucifixion should write according to your directions?
Is your argument that two independent reports of an event must be exactly alike?



Do your research, this is completely untrue.

TenQ:
The independent reporters of the event of crucifixion should write according to your directions?
Is your argument that two independent reports of an event must be exactly alike?

Using your excellent reasoning :
Why did Allah send the Zabur and the Injeel after he had already sent the Torah?

TenQ:
I challenge you to show me where the Arabic says pass by Hell


This is exactly why I did not translate verse 71
pre-empt you so please explain this.
Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Was ma minkum min ahadin illa sayamurruhā...

Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire.
Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those WHO WERE CAUTIOUS of Us, but the HARMDOERS shall be LEFT THERE HOBBLING ON THEIR KNEES[/I]


You lack knowledge and understanding

All mankind shall pass through hell irrespective of your believe, but the Christians and those who do not believe in ALLAH and do good will remain there forever the bad Muslims are not left out too all of you will rot in hell it is better u repent before it is too late.


After ALL you Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave OTHERS in the Fire

OTHERS WHICH INCLUDES YOU AND YOUR GENERATION...

Are your scholars also wrong?
[i]I quoted Al-Jalalyn
I quoted Ibn Abbas
I quoted Ibn Kathir

They all agree with Allah and Mohammed that you will enter hell fire. It's unfortunate you don't know this!


Pass through hell is quite different from remaining in the hell fire I pity your condition


Are you afraid of entering the fire of Hell?