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Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by femi4: 1:36pm On Mar 24, 2024
MyExpression:
What does it mean to repent?

Is repentance by self will or by the power of God?
Both
You have to choose first then trust God to help you sustain it
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by MyExpression(m): 1:47pm On Mar 24, 2024
femi4:
Both
You have to choose first then trust God to help you sustain it
Trust God to help or you're certain God will eventually come and take over/ strengthen me to carry on?

Talk the one wey you sure of o...coz I've done both individually- it has not worked; but now I'm doing both.

Result still kinda far

Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by IAMBOSS1990: 1:50pm On Mar 24, 2024
Eriokanmi:
You are welcome bro. Jesus Himself confirms your last paragraph in the book of Matthew 22:36-40, as the highest commandment when the people asked him, after loving God, wholeheartedly. Your neighbour is whoever you're able to extend that hand of love to, it could be maids, the man or woman next t door who's in dire need, a common man on the streets. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring.

Sadly, many Christians only do good where they expect something in return or wherever people will see them and shower praises on them for it. By doing this, they've received their rewards already. It's the bible who says this, not me.

As an undergraduate, I almost dropped out cos funding was nowhere to come by. My parents and uncles did their best. There was this man whom God used for me. About 15 years later, things took a bad turn for him. God used me to relocate him to the US. Now his story had changed forever for good. He's built a wonderful house in Lag, which only big boys in Nigeria could dabble into. This man was selling bread in front of his wife's make-shift container tailoring shop at some point.

The attached was the message he sent to me on my birthday recently. Imagine he turned his face away from me that time, would I have ever thought of him? There are several people like him whom God has used me to elevate. Guess what? God has never stopped blessing me. When you Heed his instructions, you get your reward, simple. Good health is one of them, no be everything be money. Many don't even know they're blessed because of poor people around them
You have gained a new follower in me Sir. Keep up the kindness and keep sharing your words of faith wherever necessary, your words are truly inspirational and faith building.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by IAMBOSS1990: 1:52pm On Mar 24, 2024
MyExpression:
Trust God to help or you're certain God will eventually come and take over/ strengthen me to carry on?

Talk the one wey you sure of o...coz I've done both individually- it has not worked; but now I'm doing both.

Result still kinda far
He said the truth, eventually God takes over and makes it easy serving him.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by MyExpression(m): 2:08pm On Mar 24, 2024
IAMBOSS1990:
He said the truth, eventually God takes over and makes it easy serving him.
Eventually!
How long should Willpower keep trying and failing before God will EVENTUALLY take over and make it easier.

Most pastors that preached spiritual power, are now preaching Hard work and diligence.

Perhaps, it's not all Faith, and it's not all Works.

Faith and work...but Faith must dey der, and work too must be applied also.

It has always been in the Bible o...but these guys preach more Faith than work- claiming that the physical is controlled by the spiritual.
Once you get your spiritual right, the physical lines will fall unto you in pleasant places.

People go to church, pray and worship, join church groups...but have not repented from some vices. Even pastor seem to be having anger issues sometimes.

Why God no dey help repentance as swiftly as before?
Those early year 2000s, you'll get born again and your life transforms instantly.
But these days, people stand, sing and dance on the pulpit -unrepentant.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by IAMBOSS1990: 2:21pm On Mar 24, 2024
MyExpression:
Eventually!
How long should Willpower keep trying and failing before God will EVENTUALLY take over and make it easier.

Most pastors that preached spiritual power, are now preaching Hard work and diligence.

Perhaps, it's not all Faith, and it's not all Works.

Faith and work...but Faith must dey der, and work too must be applied also.

It has always been in the Bible o...but these guys preach more Faith than work- claiming that the physical is controlled by the spiritual.
Once you get your spiritual right, the physical lines will fall unto you in pleasant places.

People go to church, pray and worship, join church groups...but have not repented from some vices. Even pastor seem to be having anger issues sometimes.

Why God no dey help repentance as swiftly as before?
Those early year 2000s, you'll get born again and your life transforms instantly.
But these days, people stand, sing and dance on the pulpit -unrepentant.
Perseverance is very important. Nothing good comes easy. More so with the things of God, for with man it is impossible but with God all things are possible Matt. 19v26.

We must learn to persevere in faith when things are not going our way.

We are told to work out our salvation. We can't give up because we are failing, we keep going until we reach our goal. God sees our efforts and helps our weakness.

We may fall many times a day but we won't give up until we are perfect as He is perfect Matt 5v48.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by daveP(m): 2:56pm On Mar 24, 2024
Pimine:
My brother, stop wasting time on unnecessary things. It doesn't matter if you need to be stirred up in the spirit by songs, chants or even a recording of a previous prayer session. Maybe you can't pray without Theophilus or Pst. Lawrence Oyor's chants playing in the background. It doesn't matter. All that matters is that you show up everyday at the appointed time.

There is a spirit of prayer. Continue the motions. No matter how hard it is. Strike with many blows. No matter how discouraged you are. It is the Holy Ghost that helps our infirmities.

The only "discipline" that matters is showing up and asking the Holy Spirit to help you pray. One day you'll be baptised by the spirit of prayer and you wouldn't recognize yourself anymore.
Something that is a normal in Christian circles is "unnecessary" to you? It wasn't ever a norm. But it is like a disease now that if you don't act or follow this style, you'll see many questioning even your salvation. Pray, tell, is this confusion from the Holy Spirit? So the spirit is the one that inspired "being in the mood with music" before prayer can be offered? Or before one can successfully pray? Your last sentence is actually the one not necessary to this discussion. Lol. 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by Pimine: 3:35pm On Mar 24, 2024
daveP:
Something that is a normal in Christian circles is "unnecessary" to you? It wasn't ever a norm. But it is like a disease now that if you don't act or follow this style, you'll see many questioning even your salvation. Pray, tell, is this confusion from the Holy Spirit? So the spirit is the one that inspired "being in the mood with music" before prayer can be offered? Or before one can successfully pray? Your last sentence is actually the one not necessary to this discussion. Lol. 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Elijah asked them to bring him a minstrel to play. And when the minstrel started playing the hand of the Lord came upon him and he started to prophesy (2kings 3:15). Maybe you should ask Elijah the bolded question.

My brother, there is no confusion - you're just too legalistic. Let them employ whatever method makes it easier for them to pray. A time will come when they've built so much capacity that they realize they don't need music to pray anymore. But until then, there is no sin.

They're even making effort to pray but your problem is that they are praying with music? My God!

As for my last sentence, you said it's indiscipline to need any form of aid to pray and my response to you was that the only discipline that one needs is to show up everyday and ask the Holy Ghost for help. A time will come that they won't need those things to help them pray again.

Why is this even an issue? Do you know that we have more youth praying now than in the past 10 years? Don't you smell the revival coming? I say let them pray with music. God's not mad at them. Infact, I can say with utmost certainty that my Father is pleased!

Shalom!
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by daveP(m): 3:42pm On Mar 24, 2024
Pimine:
Elijah asked them to bring him a minstrel to play. And when the minstrel started playing the hand of the Lord came upon him and he started to prophesy (2kings 3:15). Maybe you should ask Elijah the bolded question.

My brother, there is no confusion - you're just too legalistic. Let them do whatever makes it easier for them to. A time will come when they've built so much capacity that they realize they don't need music to pray anymore. But until then, there is no sin.

They're even making effort to pray but your problem is that they are praying with music? My God!

As for my last sentence, you said it's indiscipline to need any form of aid to pray and my response to you was that the only discipline that one needs is to show up everyday and ask the Holy Ghost for help. A time will come that they won't need those things to help them pray again.

Why is this even an issue? Do you know that we have more youth praying now than in the past 10 years? Don't you smell the revival coming? I say let them pray with music. God's not mad at them. Infact, I can say with utmost certainty that my Father is pleased!

Shalom!
😂😂😂

This is the only story in Bible ALWAYS USED to justify the music thing to the extent it is no longer the exception but the NORM. LOL

Elijah prayed with minstrel abi?
Elisha too abi?
Samuel? Isaiah? Amos? Hosea?

I don't have crux with music. But if you refuse to see what it's currently doing to Prayer Life, then forget it.

Jesus in Gethsemane used music abi?

Or the apostles in acts, all the times they prayed and the place was heavily shaken, na music trigger the "prayer mood" abi?

Alright
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by Sapasenator: 4:18pm On Mar 24, 2024
daygee12:
But u carried Lazarus Mouka like ur God
Nor mind am.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by jazzman7711:
GreatAchiever1:
Actually I'm in a telegram group dominated heavily by Indians and in that group, they share Christian books.
In Japan, the popular old Christian animation super book and flying house was made and aired in the country (TV Tokyo).
Christianity has been present in China since the early medieval period.
And there are also Christians present in Arabic nations although they are in the small minority.

All in all, the Lord knows those who are His and will save His people from their sins.
Don’t give me that crap. What percentage of Chinese, Japanese, and Indians are christian?

Less than 1%.

The MAJORITY observe their traditional religion.

EXACTLY what YOU LOT should be doing if you weren’t brainwashed to feel inferior by thieving English and Arab invaders, who came with their own garbage called Islam as well.

All those criminals did was invade, loot, destroy your society, and force you to worship them.

They made you imagine a white man when you close your eyes and think of God.

Pure psychological manipulation to make you feel and act inferior to them.

And you are still worshipping them like idiots even though THEY, particularly the christian west, have long abandoned their scam religion in everything but name.

Go to England today and the only people into church are Nigerian immigrants.

Disgusting.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by femi4: 5:17pm On Mar 24, 2024
MyExpression:
Trust God to help or you're certain God will eventually come and take over/ strengthen me to carry on?

Talk the one wey you sure of o...coz I've done both individually- it has not worked; but now I'm doing both.

Result still kinda far
English dey worry you

Trust God means rely on God
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by Pimine: 5:48pm On Mar 24, 2024
daveP:
😂😂😂

This is the only story in Bible ALWAYS USED to justify the music thing to the extent it is no longer the exception but the NORM. LOL

Elijah prayed with minstrel abi?
Elisha too abi?
Samuel? Isaiah? Amos? Hosea?

I don't have crux with music. But if you refuse to see what it's currently doing to Prayer Life, then forget it.

Jesus in Gethsemane used music abi?

Or the apostles in acts, all the times they prayed and the place was heavily shaken, na music trigger the "prayer mood" abi?

Alright
I'm tired bro. Keep finding faults while others keep ascending. You who are talking, when was the last time you prayed for 3 hours on a stretch abi you're on a fault-finding mission? Why are we stuck on irrelevant things? Are they praying or not? Why does it matter that they need music to pray? Would you rather they not pray at all or that they pray with music?

I know how I started my prayer journey. I know many people started. Most of us started with Theophilus and Lawrence prayer chants in the background. Now I can tell you that most of us don't need music anymore to pray. The new wave is coming. Revival is coming. Keep finding fault while we keep ascending.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by uche393: 6:04pm On Mar 24, 2024
many Christians think going to church is what makes you a child of God.
i have a churchy neighbours who will carry like 2/3 girls every week, every day Na blues and love songs he dey take dey support his knackings while Sunday Morning Na worship and Christian song before going to church.
many Christians judge me for not going to church, but their personality has nothing to write home about.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by daveP(m): 6:25pm On Mar 24, 2024
Pimine:
I'm tired bro. Keep finding faults while others keep ascending. You who are talking, when was the last time you prayed for 3 hours on a stretch abi you're on a fault-finding mission? Why are we stuck on irrelevant things? Are they praying or not? Why does it matter that they need music to pray? Would you rather they not pray at all or that they pray with music?

I know how I started my prayer journey. I know many people started. Most of us started with Theophilus and Lawrence prayer chants in the background. Now I can tell you that most of us don't need music anymore to pray. The new wave is coming. Revival is coming. Keep finding fault while we keep ascending.
😂😂🤣🤣🤣habaaa. Thanks for making me laugh today sha. Ascending 🙌🏾
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by Pimine: 6:55pm On Mar 24, 2024
daveP:
😂😂🤣🤣🤣habaaa. Thanks for making me laugh today sha. Ascending 🙌🏾
I'm glad I made you laugh. Sha dey pray. It's important. Don't look down on others because you can do what they're still struggling to do. God doesn't pick the qualified; He takes the unqualified and qualifies them.

God bless you richly!
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by abosedemoyoade3: 6:57pm On Mar 24, 2024
Foo1ish people decieving themselves!
I only go to church for social gathering!Foo1ish people decieving themselves!
I only go to church for social gathering!...
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by Jumbojax(m): 10:48pm On Mar 24, 2024
ProudNigerian01:
Have you truly repented?

What are those things you continue to do after you come back from church?

Do you still drink alcohol, fornicate, lie, insult others and still claim to know God?

You know those sins but you continue in them.

When last did you read the Bible? Something you are meant to do day and night:

Josh.1.8 - This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
Op you have you repented?
Repent in greek is metanoia=meaning change of mind. Meta=change noia=mind
So, have you changed your mind from your "repenting of sins" to faith alone in Christ?
Have you changed your mind from false ways to heaven to the true way to heaven?
Have you changed your mind from trusting your works to trusting in the finished work of Jesus Christ?
Have you changed your mind from trusting yourself to trusting the savior?
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He did not say whosoever repent of sins will have everlasting life.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by casppyjay: 4:53am On Mar 25, 2024
Christane:
Many Christian claim to be holy only on Sundays playing Gospel music or even going to church they even see themselves better than those that don't go to church ...

But after coming back from church and all through d week like Monday to Sunday they return to their normal lifestyle like fornication, alcohol , gossiping ..cheating

I just wonder who is deceiving who

Only God can judge
needless to paraphrase you..you have said it using all but necessary vocabularies..and this is exclusively to African Christianity..
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by capnies: 1:56pm On Mar 25, 2024
MY . BROTHERS I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS EASIER TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY THAN TO LIVE I SIN
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by churro: 12:12pm On Mar 26, 2024
capnies:
MY . BROTHERS I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS EASIER TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY THAN TO LIVE I SIN
Nope! How can it be easier? Your natural sin life you were born it? Do you teach children to lie? Nevertheless, as we trust in the power of God to help us, renew our mind constantly so as not to conform with the world's system, it becomes less difficult day by day. But it's never easy. It's a narrow gate and narrow way requiring sacrifice and steadfastness. But the other broad way is wide enough to accommodate everyone, with their sins, vices and self and coast them along easily to distruction.
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by Emmanuel30a2: 12:53pm On Mar 26, 2024
ProudNigerian01:
Have you truly repented?

What are those things you continue to do after you come back from church?

Do you still drink alcohol, fornicate, lie, insult others and still claim to know God?

You know those sins but you continue in them.

When last did you read the Bible? Something you are meant to do day and night:

Josh.1.8 - This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
Why should they repent? Why should they repent? Them no be serpent...? You don see where serpent say e want to repents?...
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by Emmanuel30a2: 12:56pm On Mar 26, 2024
Why should they repent? Why should they repent? Them no be serpent...? You don see where serpent say e want to repents?...
Re: Going To Church & Playing Gospel Music Is Not Enough, Have you really repented? by gohf: 6:21pm On Mar 29, 2024
ProudNigerian01:
You have spoken the truth, May God help us all to serve him truly and in Spirit without all these traditions of men.
join us this Sunday on telegram as we pray kingdom prayers and God transforms our lives

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