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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 11:34am On Mar 26
Jodera:

The thing is that England has a number 6 In Mainoo. I believe if you're good enough, then you're old enough and Mainoo is someone who have a seasoned pro head on his body. He's 18yrs too so it's not as if he's that kinda small boy sef. Mainoo just solved that conundrum.
Play Mainoo as 6, Rice at 8(this to me is even his best position) and either Bellingham/Foden at 10(or side 8 in a 433) and England won't suffer both offensively and defensively.
Presently, I'll go for Bellingham cos of the kind of striker Kane is but if I want more control and I'll go for Foden but even Bellingham can give me that control I need(as long as it's with Kobbie and Rice), so automatically for me, Foden goes to the bench. He can certainly change game from bench and give something different.

As for "slander". I doubt any arsenal fan slander Foden. We acknowledge his qualities and we know he's a very fine player but what we don't agree is that he's better than Saka. I don't even get the comparison sef cos Saka is a Winger while Foden is a Midfielder. There's no way one can tell me Foden on the wings is better than Saka no matter how versatile foden is.
Agenda or not, Saka on the wings is better than Foden. The kind of Kicks and double marking Saka receives for the past 3 seasons and he still comes out tops, I doubt Foden experiences that.

If England decides not to take Mainoo to the Euros sef i will be happy cos that will keep him fresh for us next season. However, i am okay with him going as a sub not a starter. The hype is getting too crazy and i would prefer to keep him grounded and develop organically rather than forcing him into high pressure situations. Also, Mainoo was not even a regular 6 in the academy and played more as a box to box or in a double pivot (not a solo 6). In a tournament where the margins are slim the vulnerable England defence will be better protected by Rice than by Mainoo. While Rice might play better personally as an 8, the team will be better served if he is played as a 6.

Regarding Foden vs Saka. I am in agreement with you. Saka is obviously the better RW, while Foden is the better CAM. The problem for Foden is that England rarely plays him as CAM because of Bellingham. At the last World Cup he played LW and of course did not hit his Man City heights. Even on the LW Saka will be better because he will be able to get past his man with greater ease. My issue is when both sides start rubbishing the other player in order to prop up their guy. They are both very good players.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 11:37am On Mar 26
Leyqute:


Enough tactical flexibility could see Foden play LW+AM with Rice, Jude and Kobbie in midfield. You’d have to support him with a LB that bombs forward a lot since Foden likes to tuck inside. This structure provides width, is stable defensively and also potent offensively.

Since Rashford hasn’t had a great season, dropping him to the bench might make sense. If things don’t work out you can bring on Gordon. Or even Rashford to provide better wing play.

He played it in the last world cup and struggled. Foden has to play 10 with Bellingham at 8 OR play 10 with Bellingham on the bench OR be on the bench himself. Playing him on the wing shortchanges him and shortchanges the team that needs pace up front.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 11:42am On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


He played it in the last world cup and struggled. Foden has to play 10 with Bellingham at 8 OR play 10 with Bellingham on the bench OR be on the bench himself. Playing him on the wing shortchanges him and shortchanges the team that needs pace up front.

Foden has improved immensely over the last couple of years. He’s not the finished product yet, but he seems to be on the right path.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 11:44am On Mar 26
All of this Una analysis depends on Southgate to work.

Dey play. grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 11:48am On Mar 26
Leyqute:


Foden has improved immensely over the last couple of years. He’s not the finished product yet, but he seems to be on the right path.

Nobody is doubting his talent. The debate is about his best position for the team. They are all developing and getting better, but the skillset is the skillset. He is a CAM not a LW. He is even a worse LW than he is a RW. Anthony Gordon, Grealish, Rashford will be more effective weapons as LW for England than Foden. Kane likes to drop in and link up play and he is not quick, so the wingers have to be pacy.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 11:49am On Mar 26
larride:
All of this Una analysis depends on Southgate to work.

Dey play. grin

Na fun exercise. I no send England from my thumb to my index finger.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 11:51am On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


Na fun exercise. I no send England from my thumb to my index finger.

Same here. I actively seek the downfall of the England National team. grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 12:03pm On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


Nobody is doubting his talent. The debate is about his best position for the team. They are all developing and getting better, but the skillset is the skillset. He is a CAM not a LW. He is even a worse LW than he is a RW. Anthony Gordon, Grealish, Rashford will be a more effective weapon as LW for England than Foden. Kane likes to drop in and link up play and he is not quick, so the wingers have to be pacy.

It’s difficult, right?

Best to leave him on the bench. Maybe a midfield of Foden, Jude and Rice would work.

But all these structures depend on Southgate and his merry band of robbers.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:08pm On Mar 26
BlueRayDick:


This is the gospel truth. Foden is one player I really really admire for his versitility across the frontline.

I just do not agree he is better than Saka as a winger.
Gbammm!
I've not even see any of Arsenal fans that beefs him sef and if there are, they'll be very few.

It's just mostly rival fans that's just dragging this Foden and Saka comparison and it started after that treble. Before nobody send such comparison before cos we all know they're special in their own way
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 12:09pm On Mar 26
Leyqute:


It’s difficult, right?

Best to leave him on the bench. Maybe a midfield of Foden, Jude and Rice would work.

But all these structures depend on Southgate and his merry band of robbers.

David Moyes is even a better coach than Southgate

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 12:09pm On Mar 26
Leyqute:


It’s difficult, right?

Best to leave him on the bench. Maybe a midfield of Foden, Jude and Rice would work.

But all these structures depend on Southgate and his merry band of robbers.

Jude will have to sacrifice in the way Lampard and Gerrard never could.

Southgate will mess it all up. I am banking on it.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:11pm On Mar 26
Leyqute:


Enough tactical flexibility could see Foden play LW+AM with Rice, Jude and Kobbie in midfield. You’d have to support him with a LB that bombs forward a lot since Foden likes to tuck inside. This structure provides width, is stable defensively and also potent offensively.

Since Rashford hasn’t had a great season, dropping him to the bench might make sense. If things don’t work out you can bring on Gordon. Or even Rashford to provide better wing play.
The kind of striker Kane is, I doubt Foden will even shine in that left wing for England.
Yeah Rashford hasn't had a great season but I'll prefer Gordons to Foden there.
Let Foden just drag it out with Bellingham. This one no be Man city were he'll be playing wing with structural play cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 12:16pm On Mar 26
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:17pm On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


If England decides not to take Mainoo to the Euros sef i will be happy cos that will keep him fresh for us next season. However, i am okay with him going as a sub not a starter. The hype is getting too crazy and i would prefer to keep him grounded and develop organically rather than forcing him into high pressure situations. Also, Mainoo was not even a regular 6 in the academy and played more as a box to box or in a double pivot (not a solo 6). In a tournament where the margins are slim the vulnerable England defence will be better protected by Rice than by Mainoo. While Rice might play better personally as an 8, the team will be better served if he is played as a 6.

Regarding Foden vs Saka. I am in agreement with you. Saka is obviously the better RW, while Foden is the better CAM. The problem for Foden is that England rarely plays him as CAM because of Bellingham. At the last World Cup he played LW and of course did not hit his Man City heights. Even on the LW Saka will be better because he will be able to get past his man with greater ease. My issue is when both sides start rubbishing the other player in order to prop up their guy. They are both very good players.

You made a lot of good points regarding Mainoo tho but part of me just wants him to be a starter cos I really need England to win something (I'm rooting for them) and he brings that completeness. It's amazing to even know he doesn't even play as 6 how much more lone 6 in the academy. Omorr, it means this guy is good.

This is where Kalvin Philips would have been very very key while Rice plays the 8 to the fullest but wrong move just spoilt everything.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 12:19pm On Mar 26
larride:


David Moyes is even a better coach than Southgate
Reason why I want that Southgate link rumor to Man u to be true tongue tongue
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 12:20pm On Mar 26
larride:


David Moyes is even a better coach than Southgate

grin

Did Southgate win any trophy at club level sef?

That Europa conference league trophy put Nwoyes above a lot of his average peers.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 12:21pm On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


Jude will have to sacrifice in the way Lampard and Gerrard never could.

Southgate will mess it all up. I am banking on it.

“He has good man management skills” grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 12:23pm On Mar 26
larride:


David Moyes is even a better coach than Southgate
Mad ooo
Shebi if tony pulis manage England we already know what we are expecting
This mumugate no just cut it for me
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 12:27pm On Mar 26
Jodera:

You made a lot of good points regarding Mainoo tho but part of me just wants him to be a starter cos I really need England to win something (I'm rooting for them) and he brings that completeness. It's amazing to even know he doesn't even play as 6 how much more lone 6 in the academy. Omorr, it means this guy is good.

This is where Kalvin Philips would have been very very key while Rice plays the 8 to the fullest but wrong move just spoilt everything.

He was an attacker/RW until he turned 16. When he moved permanently into the Under-18s they often played him as a box-to-box midfielder. Sometimes as the most advanced midfielder and a few times as part of a double pivot. The only time i can say i have seen him struggle a bit was when he played as RW for the Under-18s, but he was only 15 then. The coach who moved him from attack to central midfield was the man who unlocked him.

I don't want England to run him into the ground and those journos who have only seen him play 5 matches are already hyping him the way only England journos can. I want him fresh for next season. I no send England papa.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 12:28pm On Mar 26
Jodera:

The kind of striker Kane is, I doubt Foden will even shine in that left wing for England.
Yeah Rashford hasn't had a great season but I'll prefer Gordons to Foden there.
Let Foden just drag it out with Bellingham. This one no be Man city were he'll be playing wing with structural play cheesy

LooL.

Foden couldn’t dislodge Riyad Mahrez, Rahim Sterling and even Bernardo Silva who isn’t a proper winger. He just looks lost in that English squad.

I’m waiting to see what Southgate will cook up this summer tho.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 12:31pm On Mar 26
Leyqute:


grin

Did Southgate win any trophy at club level sef?

That Europa conference league trophy put Nwoyes above a lot of his average peers.

Sean Dyche is better than Southgate. The only time Southgate managed in the EPL he relegated the team.

Southgate's appointment is the quintessential man know man appointment aka Old Boys Network.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 12:52pm On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


Sean Dyche is better than Southgate. The only time Southgate managed in the EPL he relegated the team.

Southgate's appointment is the quintessential man know man appointment aka Old Boys Network.

At this point na everybody come better pass southgate

You guys should cut him some slack sha ,he almost won the euros o
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 12:54pm On Mar 26
I don’t know who are his advisors sha ,opting for trials at Chelsea instead of accepting a direct move to bodo glint doesn’t sit well with me

But anything is possible and best of luck to him

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by zeusis(m): 12:56pm On Mar 26
andrewbaba44:
I don’t know who are his advisors sha ,opting for trials at Chelsea instead of accepting a direct move to bodo glint doesn’t sit well with me

But anything is possible and best of luck to him
We keep respawning attackers
When we go get midfielders abeg
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 12:57pm On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


Sean Dyche is better than Southgate. The only time Southgate managed in the EPL he relegated the team.

Southgate's appointment is the quintessential man know man appointment aka Old Boys Network.

I respect Sean Dyche. You know what you’re getting with him.

If Sir Jim hires Southgate, it’ll be evidence he’s not as smart as he portrays himself to be.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 1:00pm On Mar 26
andrewbaba44:


At this point na everybody come better pass southgate

You guys should cut him some slack sha ,he almost won the euros o


There is no evidence anywhere that Southgate is a good coach. When he coached at club level he relegated his club.

Let’s give Sean Dyche or Moyes these same England players and see if they won’t do better before we crown Southgate as Pep 2.0. 😄

Can you give me any evidence of the coaching ability that he displayed that got him the England job?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 1:09pm On Mar 26
afrodoc2:



There is no evidence anywhere that Southgate is a good coach. When he coached at club level he relegated his club.

Let’s give Sean Dyche or Moyes these same England players and see if they won’t do better before we crown Southgate as Pep 2.0. 😄

Can you give me any evidence of the coaching ability that he displayed that got him the England job?

David moyes is far better than southgate

I don’t know if Sean dyche sha

Then why was the job even given to him ,maybe his stint with the u21 team was good
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 1:16pm On Mar 26
andrewbaba44:


David moyes is far better than southgate

I don’t know if Sean dyche sha

Then why was the job even given to him ,maybe his stint with the u21 team was good

The only tournament he took the Under-21s to they finished bottom of their group. The team had Harry Kane, John Stones, Loftus-Cheek, Jesse Lingard, James Ward-Prowse.

Next excuse? 😂

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 1:32pm On Mar 26
afrodoc2:


The only tournament he took the Under-21s to they finished bottom of their group. The team had Harry Kane, John Stones, Loftus-Cheek, Jesse Lingard, James Ward-Prowse.

Next excuse? 😂

Lol
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 1:35pm On Mar 26
andrewbaba44:


Lol

E shock you? cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ellexy: 2:01pm On Mar 26
Jodera:

Reason why I want that Southgate link rumor to Man u to be true tongue tongue
🙄😕

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by WhoDeyHause: 2:05pm On Mar 26
andrewbaba44:


David moyes is far better than southgate

I don’t know if Sean dyche sha

Then why was the job even given to him ,maybe his stint with the u21 team was good
How will you know? When na to only drink paraga shouting Visca barka full your brain.

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