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Kobojunkie:
1. What definition of religion are you quoting here?

2. Please work harder at comprehending what is written before you respond. God's Law of Moses is God's Constitutional Law. It is neither of religion nor is there anything wrong with it as it was given to Israel by God.

The Pharisees were religious leaders of the time. They created religion by way of their special interpretations — lies —formed from their opinions of God's Old Law of Moses. They were against God in that they twisted the Constitutional Law of the land to assert themselves as go-betweens between God and His people. They enriched themselves and conquered the minds of God's people using the name of God and their many interpretations of God's Law which were all religious lies. They were enemies of the God of Israel because they, by their doctrines and traditions — their religion— caused the people of God to turn against God.

Jesus Christ warned His followers not to become like them nor teach doctrines and traditions — lies like the Pharisees and Sadducees did. Your religious leaders(Phariseeic beings) teach nothing but religious lies(doctrines and traditions of men) that are against Jesus Christ. That is the long and short of what Jesus Christ taught His followers regarding these things.

3. I laugh! The one doing the cherry-picking here is your person. You reject a lot of what God said to assert ideas that are foreign to Scripture.

Kobojunkie:
1. This makes no sense to any of what I have said on this issue so far.

Again, the God of Israel asserted that His Law He gave only to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob. He created all things but gave His Law specifically to the Children of Israel whom He chose as His only inheritance in the land of men. So exactly when did this fact of His Law change? Before or after He declared His Law was everlasting i.e. UNCHANGING?

2. This is what Jesus Christ said in John 3. As Jesus Christ explained, He is a bronze snake raised by God in the same way the bronze snake was raised in the wilderness after God had condemned the Israelites to death. Jesus Christ was raised by God to save those who were already condemned by God for their sins against Him among the Israelites. Is Jesus Christ a liar to you?

3. According to Jesus Christ, in the same context of John 3 vs 1 -21 He discussed that to be saved from the condemnation of sin one must first be born of Water and born of Spirit, Jesus Christ clearly expressed that the salvation from the condemnation of sin which He was sent to offer was to the same world that Moses raised the bronze snake to in the wilderness. The World He sent His followers into, He described as the same world that God caused Moses to raise the Bronze snake to. So, tell me, was Jesus Christ mistaken about those whom His Father sent Him to offer salvation to even there in John 3?

4. If your religion is not in fact of worthless lies which Jesus Christ proclaimed it to be in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 1[/b]3, then you would prove it to be of God and have no reason or need to look for ways to attack my person. Jesus Christ proclaimed 2000 years ago that His Word is [b]Everlasting aka UnCHANGING. But here religion claims Jesus Christ changed His mind, so how can your religion be of Jesus Christ?

ahmedio2017:
Your God regret

Genesis 6:6

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Kukutenla:
1. The definition of religion as is generally known. Religion is about worshipping God in an acceptable manner to him.
2. The constitutional law is also a religious law. Do you imply that the laws of moses are not religious in nature but purely governmental? That's hogwash.
3. Funny enough your wrong stance aligns well with that of the Pharisees you condemn. Pharisees believe also that salvation is of the Jews alone. Just as you claim. It's funny you admire Jesus repudiating Pharisees while you subscribe to their teachings

re·li·gion
the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"

a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
"consumerism is the new religion"

Kukutenla:
■ And where did God ask that only Israelites should follow or obey God's laws. Even the Exodus from Egypt had some non-Israelites among them.
■ Leviticus clearly shows that non-israelites are allowed to partake in Judaism.
2. Very deceitful of you to stop your reading of John 3 at vs 14. Why don't you read 15 and give a cogent exposition like you did for 1-14? I guess vs15 makes a mess of your claim so you have to ignore it. Your claim of bronze snake as summarising the mission of Jesus is as shallow as it is puerile.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

Kukutenla:
■ It is akin to claiming that the prodigal son's parable means that only the son of the father will be saved upon his return from his wasteful journey. Such reductionism is fraudulent and a cheap lie just like the one Pharisees had in their leaven

1 Many tax collectors and sinners came to listen to Jesus.
2 Then the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to complain, “Look, this man welcomes sinners and even eats with them!” - Luke 15 vs 1 - 2

3 Then Jesus told them this story:
4 “Suppose one of you has 100 sheep, but one of them gets lost. What will you do? You will leave the other 99 sheep there in the field and go out and look for the lost sheep. You will continue to search for it until you find it.
5 And when you find it, you will be very happy. You will carry it
6 home, go to your friends and neighbors and say to them, ‘Be happy with me because I found my lost sheep!’
7 In the same way, I tell you, heaven is a happy place when one sinner decides to change. There is more joy for that one sinner than for 99 good people who don’t need to change. - Luke 15 vs 3 - 7

8 “Suppose a woman has ten silver coins, but she loses one of them. She will take a light and clean the house. She will look carefully for the coin until she finds it.
9 And when she finds it, she will call her friends and neighbors and say to them, ‘Be happy with me because I have found the coin that I lost!’ 10 In the same way, it’s a happy time for the angels of God when one sinner of Israel decides to change.” - Luke 15 vs 8 - 10

11 Then Jesus said, “There was a man who had two sons.
12 The younger son said to his father, ‘Give me now the part of your property that I am supposed to receive someday.’ So the father divided his wealth between his two sons.
13 “A few days later the younger son gathered up all that he had and left. He traveled far away to another country, and there he wasted his money living like a fool.
14 After he spent everything he had, there was a terrible famine throughout the country. He was hungry and needed money.
15 So he went and got a job with one of the people who lived there. The man sent him into the fields to feed pigs.
16 He was so hungry that he wanted to eat the food the pigs were eating. But no one gave him anything.
17 “The son realized that he had been very foolish. He thought, ‘All my father’s hired workers have plenty of food. But here I am, almost dead because I have nothing to eat.
18 I will leave and go to my father. I will say to him: Father, I have sinned against God and have done wrong to you.
19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. But let me be like one of your hired workers.’
20 So he left and went to his father. “While the son was still a long way off, his father saw him coming and felt sorry for him. So he ran to him and hugged and kissed him.
21 The son said, ‘Father, I have sinned against God and have done wrong to you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Hurry! Bring the best clothes and put them on him. Also, put a ring on his finger and good sandals on his feet.
23 And bring our best calf and kill it so that we can celebrate with plenty to eat.
24 My son was dead, but now he is alive again! He was lost, but now he is found!’ So they began to have a party. - Luke 15 vs 11 - 24

25 “The older son had been out in the field. When he came near the house, he heard the sound of music and dancing.
26 So he called to one of the servant boys and asked, ‘What does all this mean?’
27 The boy said, ‘Your brother has come back, and your father killed the best calf to eat. He is happy because he has his son back safe and sound.’
28 “The older son was angry and would not go to the party. So his father went out and begged him to come in.
29 But he said to his father, ‘Look, for all these years I have worked like a slave for you. I have always done what you told me to do, and you never gave me even a young goat for a party with my friends.
30 But then this son of yours comes home after wasting your money on prostitutes, and you kill the best calf for him!’
31 “His father said to him, ‘Oh, my son, you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.
32 But this was a day to be happy and celebrate. Your brother was dead, but now he is alive. He was lost, but now he is found.’” - Luke 15 vs 25 vs 32

Kukutenla:
How does God regretting means he made a mistake.
Do you imply that if any of Allah’s creatures go to hell instead of paradise then Allah made a mistake creating them? Or do you mean everyone of Allah's creatures is assured of making aljannah?
You're simply dûmb

Kobojunkie:
1. Here, instead, is the dictionary definition of the word from the standard that is the dictionary.
God of Israel(Jesus Christ included) clearly states in Scripture that what He gave to His people is an agreement/contract/Covenant i.e. a Constitutional Law of a Nation. So which of the above definitions indicates the very same?

2. Which country in the world today has a constitutional Law that you would equally state is a religious Law? Name one.

3. The Pharisees said Salvation belonged only to the Jews, however, Jesus Christ said Salvation belonged instead to the Lost sheep of Isreal... all 12 tribes of Israel - Matthew 15 vs 21 - 28 where He proclaimed that His Father sent Him ONLY To the Lost Sheep of Israel. Did Jesus Christ lie? Did the God of Israel lie when He proclaimed through His Prophets Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, etc. that He would make a new agreement with the House of Jacob?

Kobojunkie:
1. The Law of Moses was the Constitutional Law for the Nation of Israel and as such everyone who lived in the Land of Canaan was subject to the Law. However, the Law was given specifically by God to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. In Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, God made it abundantly clear to the House of Jacob that it was to them that the promises of the Law belonged. So, did the God of Israel prevaricate?

2. The religion of Judaism did not exist at the time the Israelites were in the desert. Rather, Judaism came into existence after the people of the Nation of Judea were taken into Captivity in Babylon where they learned from the Babylonians how they could establish and use religion against their people using the name of the God of Israel.

3. Jesus Christ's claim stating that His mission is the same as that of the bronze snake that was raised in the desert — differing only in that He was sent to give Eternal Life instead — is shallow?
You really don't think much of Jesus Christ, do you?

Kobojunkie:
Interesting claim was made regarding the parable of the prodigal son.

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Jesus Christ told those parables in Luke 15 in order to provide a rebuttal to the Pharisees and teachers of the Law pointed out at the beginning of the chapter.

These Pharisees and teachers of the Law were men who claimed to be knowledgable of the Law yet they looked down on the sinners in the land, thinking them worthless beings, and hence of no value to God and His Plan. This isn't the first time that Jesus Christ is recorded to have used parables to provide rebuttals to the claims made against Him by the same crew. And in almost all cases, the message of the parable is found within the story itself.

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PARABLE #1 - The Kingdom of God aka God's special Nation of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6 - welcomes the sinners of Israel who decides to change from following his sinful ways
PARABLE #2 - The angels of God welcome a sinner of Israel who decides to change from following his old sinful ways
PARABLE #3 - A sinner of Israel who decides to change from following his sinful ways is like a son who was once lost but is now found, once dead but is now alive.
PARABLE #4 - A sinner of Israel who decides to change from following his sinful ways is like a brother who was once lost but is now found, once dead but is now alive.

By way of these 4 parables, Jesus Christ provided, for the Pharisees and teachers of the law, 4 simple reasons why He came to call to Himself the sinners of Israel and not the righteous brothers/sons of Israel.

Kukutenla:
■ Where in the passage you quoted did you see "a sinner of Israel" which you keep inserting. You need to be careful. You are adding to the Bible that which is clearly not there. Such people are cursed according to Revelations
I challenge you to quote directly from Luke 15 the phrase "a sinner of Israel".

Kukutenla:
■ Show where God called the laws given to Moses Constituitonal Law of the Nation of Israel.
■ So what is the difference between Judaism and your Constitutional Law of the Nation of Israel
■ Your attempt to lie that Jesus by using the analogy means his work of salvation was available only to the Isrealites is what i'm correcting. I'm sure you're one of those JW clowns. This is how they enjoy confusing themselves on simple matters

Kukutenla:
1. I don't see the difference in definition
2.You're the one who is interpreting laws or covenant as constitutional law. The Bible never described it like that. A constitution is made to determine how people are to be governed. God never used constitution to describe his laws. That's your own imagination.
3. Your dumb claim clearly contradicts John 3vs16. God so loved the world...... whosoever believes in him....

Kobojunkie:
God established the Nation of Israel by handing the people of Israel a Law by which to live in the land He handed them? Jesus Christ handed a Law to His followers mandating they obey it in the Nation which He brought them. This no be rocket science science Pete's sake!

Jesus Christ's claim that He was a bronze snake that offers eternal life in the same way the bronze snake was raised by Moses to those condemned of Israel by God of Israel is a dumb claim? As I have said several times now, no wonder Jesus Christ condemned the doctrines and traditions --- religion--- of the religious leaders of His time as antichrist lies.

Kobojunkie:
So, the fact that God rescued the people of Israel out of Egypt and then not only gave them a Nation in the land called Canaan, but equally a Law by which they were to abide in that land, at same time declared Himself their King escapes you? God literally constituted a Nation of the people and declared them a Nation after He handed them His Law and the land, yet you ask me where God did what?

2. Difference between Judaism and the Law of Moses aka the Constitutional Law in the Land of Canaan? I see you have never in fact explored the religion of Judaism --, it's history and its many doctrines and traditions for yourself. You blindly conclude they are both one and the same when that is far from it. Jesus Christ exposed many of the lies of Judaism but He might as well be speaking alien, right?

3. Jesus Christ used an analogy? LOL.... a parable IS NOT an analogy. That you confuse it as such even after Scripture makes clear that Jesus Christ instead spoke in Parables reveals your very strong religious background.

Jesus Christ boldly proclaimed what the Prophets before Him prophesied yet you reject His Words to assert your special interpretation suggesting you are ashamed of the Words of JesusChrist. Yet you wish for us to believe this your religion which you raise above even the person of God of Israel whose Words Jesus Christ spoke is of Him?

The JWs whom you lot condemn believe the same things you all do. They too, like the over 47,000 other sects/denominations that make up your religion hold to their own doctrines and traditions--- lies -- which equally differ from that stated by Jesus Christ.

Christianity is essentially a religion that has at least 47,000 spins(lies) on tge Truth of God which each section refers to as interpretations , all of which were condemned by Jesus Christ when He condemned even the Pharisees about 2000 years ago.

Kobojunkie:
Did the same Jesus Christ not previously establish in Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 & Matthew 15 vs 22 - 24 & John 3 vs 14 - 17 that He was sent by His Father, the God of Israel ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel? And did this same God of Israel not establish through His many prophets that the new agreement He would make would be with the House of Jacob?

Kukutenla:
■ Oga, all this alaye is not needed. Just show where God called the laws he gave Moses "The Constitutional Law of the Nation of Israel"
Judaism is simply the religion of the Jews of the land of Judah. Your grammar trying to make a difference between both is a waste of time if you cannot prove that Judaism is different from the religion practiced by Moses. Ok. So which religion is the correct one now? Islam?

Kukutenla:
■ Kindly show in those passages where Jesus said he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel

Kobojunkie:
See religious twiddling abeg!

0ya, show us the use of the word Judaism Scripture then.

Kukutenla:
■ Kindly show where God named the law he gave to Israel the Constitutional Law of the Nation of Israel. It shouldn't be hard should it?
■ Jesus Christ did not claim he was a bronze snake. It seems you were not listening in English classes. He used the bronze snake as a metaphor for himself. He never claimed to be a bronze snake. Kindly quote where he said "I am a bronze snake"

Kobojunkie:
LOL 😆 😄 🤣 😂 😀 see religious twiddling for Pete's sake. So, you refuse to face the content of the Gospel you pretend to follow?

Kobojunkie:
What aspect of the Bronze snake reference being a metaphor leads you to concluding that Jesus Christ did not claim He was not a bronze snake abeg?

Kukutenla:
■ The word Judaism does not exist in Scripture, neither does the "Constitution of the Nation of Israel". They are both description of the religious laws of God given to the Israelites. But you choose to denigrate Judaism as "doctrines and commandments of men" while upholding your phony description.
That is the problem you are having. It is an attempt at arrogating to yourself the right to determine what the laws of God given to Israelites should be appropriately called when you are not an Israelite yourself. The Israelites call their religious practices Judaism. Since you agree that the laws belong to them, I think it is only logical that you follow their brief instead of forming oversabi on another people's matter

Kukutenla:
■ Quote where Jesus said he was a bronze snake. These things should not be hard for a scholar like you

Kukutenla:
Oga quote the part of Matt 11:28-30, John 3:14-17 and Matt 15:22-24 where Jesus said he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel

Kobojunkie:
... I see this has quickly devolved into the expected religious twiddling, practice typical of churchians when cornered. I will leave you to pull yourself out of that on your own..

Kukutenla:
I see you cannot quote the bible passage you used to make your false claim. Typical of false teachers and antichrist. I'll leave you to pray to God to save you from the darkness you imposed yourself

Kobojunkie:
What aspect of the Bronze snake reference being a metaphor leads you to concluding that Jesus Christ did not claim He was not a bronze snake abeg?

Kobojunkie:
1. Judaism, the religion of the Pharisees and Sadduccees, traces back to the period during and after the exile to Babylon of the people of Judea--- 500BC--- whereas the Old Law of Moses can be traced back at least 1000 years before that. So, how can they be one and the same idea?

Kobojunkie:
Lol... see religious diddlng...🤣🤣🥴🤣

Denying that which has been placed several times in front of you does not mean you are smarter. It seems shines even greater light on the religious delusion you operate under. Even a Muslim will tell you that your particular blindness to what Jesus Christ said is on a scale different from theirs.

ahmedio2017:
What is Judaism?
Jesus Christ PBUH is a word of God and what is the meaning of word of God? You and your generations is a word of God. All the miracles that he performed is by the power of God he also confirmed that in the bible. Word of God means be and it shall be. It belongs to God ONLY. If this world will comes to an end it will be through the word of God. So why are you confusing yourself.

Kukutenla:
■ Quote bible. Na grammar full ground instead. You nor get talk. You just like the sound of your keypad

MrPRevailer:
What is Islam?

Would there be any existence of Islam without Judaism? You don't have knowledge of your religious history.
That's why you sects can claim Moses, David, Solomon were Muslims.

Quran says Jesus is a Word and Spirit that came from God.
This is not the same as the first man and woman which were created from the dust. And their offsprings which were created through procreation.

So if Jesus alone was made differently, then what is he? Why is he so peculiar.
You need to find that out. Because it's more than just being a prophet of God.

The Bible which was before the Quran has called him the Word of God. His own apostles called him the Word of God.

Also, how do you make sense of the term "Only Begotten Son of God". (Which Quran misinterpreted)?

"The Word of God" as they called him exactly fits in the terminology of "Only Begotten Son of God." because he came out from God.

God begat his Word. A prefect representative of himself.