₦airaland Forum

wirinet:
What do you mean Nigerian preferring socialism? Which socialist based party has won elections in Nigeria after UPN? All current parties in Nigeria are ultra Conservative parties. How many social services do Nigerians enjoy compared to the rest of the world, Even the bastion of capitalism- The US enjoy more social services than Nigerians.

Well, most Nigerians believe that government should set the price of petrol and electricity, and that their companies should not do so.

Also , most Nigerians believe that the government should also set the price of food.,,and a host of things (which is why they call business people who have to raise prices evil, without finding out why they have to raise prices)>

And anyone who disagrees with them is a tinubu supporter.

nairalanda1:
Again, I disagree there, speaking as someone who knew people who went to mission schools where they learned to be scientists and technologists and so on.

All the mission schools taught the sciences, and the other modern subjects. True in Nigeria and in most parts of the world. And many of their graduates went on to universites to read science based courses and graduate.

I mean, a lot of the scientists and techies we have had were misson school graduates and still are.

Yeah, religion may be bad to you, but it is not that evil...if what you are saying is right, we would have been in a worse state at independence self....

I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools, so my opinions are not based on hearsay. My primary school taught us to be better catholics. I used to serve mass in the morning before class every school day.

wirinet:
I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools, so my opinions are not based on hearsay. My primary school taught us to be better catholics. I used to serve mass in the morning before class every school day.

And by your assertion, you won't have been able to get into university because all catholic school taught you was to be a good catholic.

I know people who went to catholic, protestant and other schools. They learned the RRR and the sciences. Otherwise they won't have been able to get into any university.

If it is critical thinking you are worried about, that needs to change...but no religious school in nigeria teaches only 'religion' as you think

Better stop hating religion. Or the lack thereof.

nairalanda1:
Nope, boils down to people like you and most nigerians preferring socialism, to industrialization and the free market.

You putting the cart before the horse,
Industrialisation and free market ,
Were over the years refineries couldn't work
Ajaokuta steel couldn't be completed
No power
Poor roads and rail

Look these things are not rocket science
There's no commitment from the colonial GENERATION to make these things work.

90billion for hajj,there's simply no excuse for that.

Nigerians like to make simple things complicated,

I was watching a programming on security operations in USA, in a particular case,they did manual thorough labour intensive work in their security process to catch a particular criminal, over here people will start giving excuses of how we lack advanced technology to carry out such operations, when even in US they were using good old manual analog process.

You don't always need advanced economic processes to get a country to work.

You can do the good old management and priority allocation of resources econs 101 to do a lot of good works.

Nigerias case is simply misplacement of priorities and failure by over religious inclination of the colonial GENERATION elites.

The prioritise religion over everything

nairalanda1:
Well, most Nigerians believe that government should set the price of petrol and electricity, and that their companies should not do so.

Also , most Nigerians believe that the government should also set the price of food.,,and a host of things (which is why they call business people who have to raise prices evil, without finding out why they have to raise prices)>

And anyone who disagrees with them is a tinubu supporter.

Most nigerians also believe that the people (workers) should set the price of labour (wages) also, but what do we have? Government setting a salary structure, a structure that is at variance with prices of commodities - ie petrol, electricity, food, medicine, etc.

Most Nigerians also believe that the natural resources of the country should be controlled by the owners instead of a central government who appropriate all to itself and distributed as it deems fit.

It seems you fo not understand the meaning of socialism and capitalism. It has to do more with who control of the countries resources between the prople and the government, and the distribution of such resources.

babasolution:
You putting the cart before the horse,
Industrialisation and free market ,
Were over the years refineries couldn't work
Ajaokuta steel couldn't be completed
No power
Poor roads and rail

Look these things are not rocket science
There's no commitment from the colonial GENERATION to make these things work.

90billion for hajj,there's simply no excuse for that.

Industrialization and free market is the way forward.

Pass the books, hold the oil.

wirinet:
Most nigerians also believe that the people (workers) should set the price of labour (wages) also, but what do we have? Government setting a salary structure, a structure that is at variance with prices of commodities - ie petrol, electricity, food, medicine, etc.

And the government doesn't have money because it still spends ton subsidising, which drives away the free market, which would make us more money if allowed to do so.

And then we have a poor tax to gdp ratio

SO, loans.

Most nigerians believe in taxes.

Most Nigerians also believe that the natural resources of the country should be controlled by the owners instead of a central government who appropriate all to itself and distributed as it deems fit.

And the owners would just simply share the money, and decieve themselves by building large buildings . They want to be like Dubai, not like Japan, china or germany or even the USA.

And it would be the same old cycle again.

(Note that it does not mean I disagree with resource control).

It seems you fo not understand the meaning of socialism and capitalism. It has to do more with who control of the countries resources between the prople and the government, and the distribution of such resources.

And for the most part the government controls the resources. Even with resource control, the regional government would control the resources...which is what most people want. Still socialism.

We have to give up our love for cheap things first, then we can talk.

nairalanda1:
And by your assertion, you won't have been able to get into university because all catholic school taught you was to be a good catholic.

I know people who went to catholic, protestant and other schools. They learned the RRR and the sciences. Otherwise they won't have been able to get into any university.

If it is critical thinking you are worried about, that needs to change...but no religious school in nigeria teaches only 'religion' as you think

Better stop hating religion. Or the lack thereof.

You still don't get it 60 years after colonisation ended. The educational system was designed to make us better Christians first, then better British subjects, then better administrators for colonial interests. That's why our "scientists" are better administrators that technologists/inventors. That's why our scientists can never win a Nobel price in the sciences, but win Nobel prices in English Literature.

I don't have time, so I'll leave this

EVERY so often someone asks me: “What’s your favorite country, other than your own?”

I’ve always had the same answer: Taiwan. “Taiwan? Why Taiwan?” people ask.

Very simple: Because Taiwan is a barren rock in a typhoon-laden sea with no natural resources to live off of — it even has to import sand and gravel from China for construction — yet it has the fourth-largest financial reserves in the world. Because rather than digging in the ground and mining whatever comes up, Taiwan has mined its 23 million people, their talent, energy and intelligence — men and women. I always tell my friends in Taiwan: “You’re the luckiest people in the world. How did you get so lucky? You have no oil, no iron ore, no forests, no diamonds, no gold, just a few small deposits of coal and natural gas — and because of that you developed the habits and culture of honing your people’s skills, which turns out to be the most valuable and only truly renewable resource in the world today. How did you get so lucky?”

That, at least, was my gut instinct. But now we have proof.

A team from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, or O.E.C.D., has just come out with a fascinating little study mapping the correlation between performance on the Program for International Student Assessment, or PISA, exam — which every two years tests math, science and reading comprehension skills of 15-year-olds in 65 countries — and the total earnings on natural resources as a percentage of G.D.P. for each participating country. In short, how well do your high school kids do on math compared with how much oil you pump or how many diamonds you dig?

The results indicated that there was a “a significant negative relationship between the money countries extract from national resources and the knowledge and skills of their high school population,” said Andreas Schleicher, who oversees the PISA exams for the O.E.C.D. “This is a global pattern that holds across 65 countries that took part in the latest PISA assessment.” Oil and PISA don’t mix. (See the data map at: http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/43/9/49881940.pdf.)

As the Bible notes, added Schleicher, “Moses arduously led the Jews for 40 years through the desert — just to bring them to the only country in the Middle East that had no oil. But Moses may have gotten it right, after all. Today, Israel has one of the most innovative economies, and its population enjoys a standard of living most of the oil-rich countries in the region are not able to offer.”

So hold the oil, and pass the books. According to Schleicher, in the latest PISA results, students in Singapore, Finland, South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan stand out as having high PISA scores and few natural resources, while Qatar and Kazakhstan stand out as having the highest oil rents and the lowest PISA scores. (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Algeria, Bahrain, Iran and Syria stood out the same way in a similar 2007 Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, or Timss, test, while, interestingly, students from Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey — also Middle East states with few natural resources — scored better.) Also lagging in recent PISA scores, though, were students in many of the resource-rich countries of Latin America, like Brazil, Mexico and Argentina. Africa was not tested. Canada, Australia and Norway, also countries with high levels of natural resources, still score well on PISA, in large part, argues Schleicher, because all three countries have established deliberate policies of saving and investing these resource rents, and not just consuming them.


Add it all up and the numbers say that if you really want to know how a country is going to do in the 21st century, don’t count its oil reserves or gold mines, count its highly effective teachers, involved parents and committed students. “Today’s learning outcomes at school,” says Schleicher, “are a powerful predictor for the wealth and social outcomes that countries will reap in the long run.”

Economists have long known about “Dutch disease,” which happens when a country becomes so dependent on exporting natural resources that its currency soars in value and, as a result, its domestic manufacturing gets crushed as cheap imports flood in and exports become too expensive. What the PISA team is revealing is a related disease: societies that get addicted to their natural resources seem to develop parents and young people who lose some of the instincts, habits and incentives for doing homework and honing skills.

By, contrast, says Schleicher, “in countries with little in the way of natural resources — Finland, Singapore or Japan — education has strong outcomes and a high status, at least in part because the public at large has understood that the country must live by its knowledge and skills and that these depend on the quality of education. ... Every parent and child in these countries knows that skills will decide the life chances of the child and nothing else is going to rescue them, so they build a whole culture and education system around it.”

Or as my Indian-American friend K. R. Sridhar, the founder of the Silicon Valley fuel-cell company Bloom Energy, likes to say, “When you don’t have resources, you become resourceful.”

That’s why the foreign countries with the most companies listed on the Nasdaq are Israel, China/Hong Kong, Taiwan, India, South Korea and Singapore — none of which can live off natural resources.

But there is an important message for the industrialized world in this study, too. In these difficult economic times, it is tempting to buttress our own standards of living today by incurring even greater financial liabilities for the future. To be sure, there is a role for stimulus in a prolonged recession, but “the only sustainable way is to grow our way out by giving more people the knowledge and skills to compete, collaborate and connect in a way that drives our countries forward,” argues Schleicher.

In sum, says Schleicher, “knowledge and skills have become the global currency of 21st-century economies, but there is no central bank that prints this currency. Everyone has to decide on their own how much they will print.” Sure, it’s great to have oil, gas and diamonds; they can buy jobs. But they’ll weaken your society in the long run unless they’re used to build schools and a culture of lifelong learning. “The thing that will keep you moving forward,” says Schleicher, is always “what you bring to the table yourself.”

And this

1. The Dutch Disease

In a strict sense, the Dutch disease refers to the crowding out of the traditional export sector by a new booming export sector and the non-tradable goods sector. However, in a broad sense, a country is said to have developed the Dutch disease syndrome when an income "windfall" in the economy leads to harmful or adverse consequences including a decline in the traditional sources of income in the country. The income windfall may come from sharp increases in the price (or production) of exportable (tradable) natural resources (e.g. crude oil, cocoa, coffee, diamond, gold, etc) and/or sharp increases in foreign aid or direct foreign investment or loans, resulting in sharp increase in foreign exchange earnings. The Dutch disease syndrome has existed, albeit in a benign form, since nations started trading with each other. However, it derives its current name from the experiences of the Netherland in the 1960s following the discovery and exploitation of large deposits of natural gas in the country's adjoining North Sea. This led to a significant increase in the country's revenue (foreign exchange) and appreciation of the country's currency (i.e. the Dutch guilder became stronger) which in turn led to a reduction in the competitiveness of the non-oil tradable goods sector of the economy. What was otherwise a positive development in the oil sector led to problems in other sectors of the economy including a depression in the non-oil export sector. It was not until the mid 1970s that the Dutch disease took a malignant form in many oil-exporting and some other mono-cultural developing countries as well as in some aid-dependent countries.


Corden and Neary (1982) have demonstrated how Dutch disease occurs in an economy. According to them, in a country experiencing "boom" in the export of a commodity, the economy can be divided into three sectors: the "booming" export sector, the "lagging' traditional export sector and the non-export sector. [b]The Dutch disease occurs when the traditional export (tradable goods) sector is crowded out by the booming export sector and the non-tradable goods sector. The lagging traditional tradable goods sector may include cocoa, palm produce, cotton, rubber, coal, copper, textiles and some manufactured goods while the booming export sector may be crude oil, coffee, gold, etc. The non-tradable (non-export) goods sector covers all those goods that are produced for domestic consumption only, e.g. staple food items, clothing, building materials, locally-assembled cars. Where crude oil (and gas) is the booming export sector, the non-oil export sector may be crowded out by the oil sector and the non-tradable goods sector of the economy. This can happen when the oil revenue windfall increases domestic demand for non-tradable goods and pushes up domestic prices leading to an appreciation of the real exchange rate which in turn reduces the competitiveness of the non-oil export sector. This will in turn lead to a reduction in non-oil exports in both quantum and value terms. The oil windfall may also lead to movement of the factors of production in the economy. For instance, capital and labor (and land) may shift from the non-oil export sector to the oil sector (in order to maintain or increase reserves and production) and the non-tradable goods sector (to take advantage of the growing domestic demand). This explains why the increase in oil prices and the subsequent oil revenue windfall in many oil-exporting countries have tended to depress their non-oil export sector while at the same time generating a boom in both the oil and the non-tradable goods sectors. With capital and labor shifting from the non-oil export sector to the oil-sector and non-traded goods sector, firms in the non-oil export sector are forced to either close down or reduce their scale of operation. The boom in the oil and non-traded goods sector increases the demand for imported goods. This may not be a problem in the short-term so long as the country has enough foreign exchange to pay for the imports. The depression in the non-oil export sector and the boom in the other two sectors have medium to long term implications for the economy because the oil windfall will not be permanent given the volatility, unpredictability and exhaustibility of crude oil. For instance, if there is a decline in oil prices and oil revenue, the lagging and collapsing non-oil export sector will not be able to compensate for the drop in oil revenue while domestic demand for the non-traded goods and imports remain sticky. Consequently, the country will be forced to borrow from the international financial market to compensate for the decline in oil revenue. Over time, external debts will increase and so will the debt service obligations. Even when oil prices go up later and there is another round of oil windfall, it is difficult to correct the earlier damage or distortions created by the initial or previous oil windfall. In some cases, the oil exporting country may be forced to adopt some form of structural adjustment program (SAP) to correct such distortions or imbalances. Some of these SAPs are painful and may increase the prevalence, depth and severity of poverty[/b].

In an extreme case, the Dutch Disease can lead to "Immiserising Growth" syndrome - a situation where increase in the output of exported commodity by a country leads to a deterioration of the country's welfare (Bhagwati, 1958). This happens when the effect of export-led growth on a country's terms of trade is strong enough to more than offset the direct benefits of growth. It is an extreme case of self-defeating growth. Although the theory of Immiserising Growth was not originally developed for oil-exporting countries, its tenets apply to many oil-exporting countries in the sense that despite the substantial increase in their export revenue, they have suffered significant decline in general welfare due largely to mismanagement of their oil revenue. Thus, the Dutch Disease syndrome confirms the assertion by a Spanish writer in the 16th Century that "the gratification of wealth is not found in mere possession or in lavish expenditure but in its wise application". Although the main manifestation of the Dutch disease syndrome in an oil exporting country is the decline or depression in the non-oil export sector, other "collateral" manifestations include appreciation of the real exchange rate at the onset, increase in corruption, increase in external debt and increase in poverty. However, an oil-exporting country must not suffer from the Dutch Disease. Furthermore, not all oil-exporting countries suffering from the disease have all "collateral" manifestations at the same time. Country experiences vary considerably depending on their political economy

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wirinet:
You still don't get it 60 years after colonisation ended. The educational system was designed to make us better Christians first, then better British subjects, then better administrators for colonial interests. That's why our "scientists" are better administrators that technologists/investors. That's why our scientists can never win a Nobel price in the sciences, but win Nobel prices in English Literature.

They also invent things (yes, I am the child of science lecturers, retired, so i know something), but when the economy is based on heavily providing government subsidised services to a large chunk of the population in the name of poverty, it tends to stifle economic growth and development.

I mean, we have subsidised electricity. Helps the poor, but prevents the sector from making a profit, and encourages sharp practices,which means poor power supply, and no money because no profits...meaning ulitmately we don;t have a working industrial sector that can make enough money to fund and produce the innovation our scientists make.

It's ok to invent something, but no cash, nothing. And our desire for subsides because we are poor helps cause a lot of problems

Ain;t our fault. At independence, we had two choices, allow a free market economy, while focusing on education and develipment of vocational and tech education, or trying to expand government services to everyone at subsidised prices...and running a welfare economy based on our earnings from selling raw materials. As you know we chose no 2, and the debt we incurred, because welfare policies, always cost more money than we have...wrecked our economy, among other things.

If we removed subsides on power, electricity, and if we also did something a tiny bit socialist, and improved our tax to gdp ratio, we would get some benefits. More light, more petrol, maybe even incentivise people to hold their leaders by the balls and do something.

But we all want to share money. Not to develop.

wirinet:
Most nigerians also believe that the people (workers) should set the price of labour (wages) also, but what do we have? Government setting a salary structure, a structure that is at variance with prices of commodities - ie petrol, electricity, food, medicine, etc.

Most Nigerians also believe that the natural resources of the country should be controlled by the owners instead of a central government who appropriate all to itself and distributed as it deems fit.

It seems you fo not understand the meaning of socialism and capitalism. It has to do more with who control of the countries resources between the prople and the government, and the distribution of such resources.

Thank you for explaining to the guy,He is doing the usual things ,blame the people for the elite failures

wirinet:
You still don't get it 60 years after colonisation ended. The educational system was designed to make us better Christians first, then better British subjects, then better administrators for colonial interests. That's why our "scientists" are better administrators that technologists/investors. That's why our scientists can never win a Nobel price in the sciences, but win Nobel prices in English Literature.

A lot of communist run countries were not run by mission school products, yet they collapsed. the ones that stand well adopted free market reforms...except cuba which is on life support from china.

nairalanda1:
And the government doesn't have money because it still spends ton subsidising, which drives away the free market, which would make us more money if allowed to do so.

And then we have a poor tax to gdp ratio

SO, loans.

Most nigerians believe in taxes.




And the owners would just simply share the money, and decieve themselves by building large buildings . They want to be like Dubai, not like Japan, china or germany or even the USA.

And it would be the same old cycle again.

(Note that it does not mean I disagree with resource control).





And for the most part the government controls the resources. Even with resource control, the regional government would control the resources...which is what most people want. Still socialism.

We have to give up our love for cheap things first, then we can talk.

Please mention the things government subsidises apart from previously fuel and electricity?

babasolution:
Please mention the things government subsidises apart from previously fuel and electricity?

Education in government run schools and healthcare in government run hosptial facilites, as well as your road transport (that's why you don't have toll gates).

babasolution:
Please mention the things government subsidises apart from previously fuel and electricity?

Even the subsidy on fuel is suspect, as we operate a crude oil swap deal, in which we give foreign refineries crude oil and they give us petrol, diesel and kerosene in return.

wirinet:
You still don't get it 60 years after colonisation ended. The educational system was designed to make us better Christians first, then better British subjects, then better administrators for colonial interests. That's why our "scientists" are better administrators that technologists/investors. That's why our scientists can never win a Nobel price in the sciences, but win Nobel prices in English Literature.

Excellently put.

In their 70 year misrule, the British did not build a single engineering institute in the country. They were terrified of their ‘subjects’ learning new technology etc.

But they built many churches and promoted Shakespeare and co in their wretched missionary schools.

In their colonies of India, Canada, Egypt, South Africa etc, they built such engineering schools and promoted science and technology, which is why it is dumb to say “they colonised other continents as well”, when attacking current Nigerian and African underdevelopment.

Colonialism was practiced VERY differently in black Africa. It was total looting and exploitation, and building nothing.

Black African nations only began to develop after independence in the 1960s, which is like yesterday in terms of history.

nairalanda1:
Education in government run schools and healthcare in government run hosptial facilites, as well as your road transport (that's why you don't have toll gates).

A good percentage of people do not attend public run schools especially recently,
How many roads were built?
The lekki toll they collected,what was it used for? No evidence it was judiciously used,as there was no expansion or maintainance on the road for years.
the investment in those sectors by governments is even generally low compared to say what they invest in national assembly.

Why can't for example the so called hajj subsidy of 90 billion not be poured into such public facilities.

There's likely to be another 90billion for christain pilgrimage. Is that not simply poor management

In the past they invested well in those sectors and there's been multiple opportunities to create alternatives which they didn't,

wirinet:
The best schools started by missionaries and colonialists were to teach us to be better Christians and subjects and not to teach us to be better scientists, technologists or better critical thinkers.

Many of the Nigerian best hands today went through those schools.
That's a fact you can't deny.
Many of the best institutions around today are owned by religious bodies in Nigeria.

Kukutente23:
So when did you understand that
After you realise the only value you have to add to your life is too be jagabanb

You can continue to móàñ, I will choose same moniker over and over again.

babasolution:
A good percentage of people do not attend public run schools especially recently,
How many roads were built?
The lekki toll they collected,what was it used for? No evidence it was judiciously used,as there was no expansion or maintainance on the road for years.
the investment in those sectors by governments is even generally low compared to say what they invest in national assembly.

Why can't for example the so called hajj subsidy of 90 billion not be poured into such public facilities.

There's likely to be another 90billion for christain pilgrimage. Is that not simply poor management

In the past they invested well in those sectors and there's been multiple opportunities to create alternatives which they didn't,

Well, you can change the narrative. Get off this site, join a party or form one, and be the change you want.

Good evening.

JagabanB:
Many of the Nigerian best hands today went through those schools.
That's a fact you can't deny.
Many of the best institutions around today are owned by religious bodies in Nigeria.

What contributions have these best schools made to the technological and industrial development of the country? How many of their alumni are renowned in the field of science?
I also attended one of the best schools in Nigeria.

JagabanB:
You can continue to móàñ, I will choose same moniker over and over again.

Your choice

nairalanda1:
Education in government run schools and healthcare in government run hosptial facilites, as well as your road transport (that's why you don't have toll gates).

So you mean subsidizing education and health us bad

saddler:
Some big truth in this.

How do you tell a people not to work hard, learn and develop their country?

How do you tell them not to be patriotic?

Just tell them there is a better place called heaven in the skies waiting for them when they die.

That their country is not their home. That they should strive day and night in order to be eligible to enter this heaven instead of working hard to develop their country.


That's all it takes

Black people are the only people living a life far and and opposite of their ancestors… That why the red wigs wearing girls and Hennessy drinking guys are easy targets for racism and discrimination worldwide…

Dancing all on social media, even the poor Uganda kids shaking their nyash on dirt roads…. Really?
Bad governments, greed and jealousy, and trending here to their.

See Ampiano dances… have you watched the dances with mute on….. they look like FOOLS….

Anyway we are our own problems

truthhurtsnaira:
Black people are the only people living a life far and and opposite of their ancestors… That why the red wigs wearing girls and Hennessy drinking guys are easy targets for racism and discrimination worldwide…

Dancing all on social media, even the poor Uganda kids shaking their nyash on dirt roads…. Really?
Bad governments, greed and jealousy, and trending here to their.

See Ampiano dances… have you watched the dances with mute on….. they look like FOOLS….

Anyway we are our own problems

You can't really blame us, that was the way our minds was preprogrammed by the colonialists/conquerors. The forced their beliefs and way of life on us while hiding their technology and science from us. They made us aspire to look like them, think like them, eat like them, write like them and even worship their own ancestors.

truthhurtsnaira:
Black people are the only people living a life far and and opposite of their ancestors… That why the red wigs wearing girls and Hennessy drinking guys are easy targets for racism and discrimination worldwide…

Dancing all on social media, even the poor Uganda kids shaking their nyash on dirt roads…. Really?
Bad governments, greed and jealousy, and trending here to their.

See Ampiano dances… have you watched the dances with mute on….. they look like FOOLS….

Anyway we are our own problems

Lol,guy u wicked

Aboks:
Nigerias problem is religion and tribalism

No. NIGERIA is struggling to "LIVE" like others.
And life is feeling, thinking, reasoning, acting, interacting and movements.

truthhurtsnaira:
Black people are the only people living a life far and and opposite of their ancestors…
That why the red wigs wearing girls and Hennessy drinking guys are easy targets for racism and discrimination worldwide…

Dancing all on social media, even the poor Uganda kids shaking their nyash on dirt roads…. Really?
Bad governments, greed and jealousy, and trending here to their.

See Ampiano dances… have you watched the dances with mute on….. they look like FOOLS….

Anyway we are our own problems

Our ancestors were conquered first.

The change started from them and then.

Why?

They were helpless to the marauding invaders.

Are we helpless today?

Yes and no.

Identity s already lost. Most only know about the history the same conquerors old them about their own ancestors.

Abeg, I too lazy to bother about a person wey no even care about his own circumstances.

babasolution:
You lack comprehension

You lack wisdom and courtesy.

wirinet:
I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools, so my opinions are not based on hearsay. My primary school taught us to be better catholics. I used to serve mass in the morning before class every school day.

When they taught you to be a better Catholic/Christian, did they teach you to be a worse scientist/educationist/professional etc?

wirinet:
What contributions have these best schools made to the technological and industrial development of the country? How many of their alumni are renowned in the field of science?
I also attended one of the best schools in Nigeria.

Do ur findings, the Nigerians who are doing well in various fields today mostly attended those schools both those who are at home and those who have gone abroad.
The attended these schools at a point in their life.

jazzman7711:
Excellently put.

In their 70 year misrule, the British did not build a single engineering institute in the country. They were terrified of their ‘subjects’ learning new technology etc.

But they built many churches and promoted Shakespeare and co in their wretched missionary schools.

In their colonies of India, Canada, Egypt, South Africa etc, they built such engineering schools and promoted science and technology, which is why it is dumb to say “they colonised other continents as well”, when attacking current Nigerian and African underdevelopment.

Colonialism was practiced VERY differently in black Africa. It was total looting and exploitation, and building nothing.

Black African nations only began to develop after independence in the 1960s, which is like yesterday in terms of history.

My brother they are incapable of grasping this truth, a mental prison is the worst kind of prison, as you are not even aware you are imprisoned. It like living in the Matrix, oblivious of the real world.

Ever wondered why the first thing the colonialist did was translate the Bible into all the local languages, but refused to translate Physics, Mathematics and the sciences. They taught us Shakespeare but refused to teach us Newton, Faraday, Fleming, etc. They taught us their own version of our history. They build mega churches,but refused to build Libraries, Laboratories, Observatories, Museums (in fact the destroyed our own Museums.