Penguin2:

That’s why Obi is in the north.

Between now and 2027, he shall have considerably cleared some of the fallacies tagged on his person and lowered the defenses of some powerbrokers in the core north.

One of the reasons they closed their eyes and allowed Tinubu rig his way to power was because Obi wanted to get to power without them and that would have meant they wouldn’t have any control over him or extract any commitment from him.

Those things will change in 2027.

Oga,nothing obi will do in the north that will be compared to what gej did for them.
Nobody closed their eyes to rigging up north sir.obi is a persona non grata in the north compared to tinubu.the north will always consider a Yoruba first,ss second and se last.you know this yet you are still deceiving yourself

DMerciful:
You act like you're new in Nigeria! No evidence that Yahaya Bello, Hooe Uzodinma wrote results? Common!

That hearsay.

Judgementa1:


And u believe north will allow obi another 8yrs after tinubu.

That will be decided on the negotiation table. It’s none of your headache

garfield1:


Oga,nothing obi will do in the north that will be compared to what gej did for them.
Nobody closed their eyes to rigging up north sir.obi is a persona non grata in the north compared to tinubu.the north will always consider a Yoruba first,ss second and se last.you know this yet you are still deceiving yourself

That it has been like that in the past doesn’t mean it will always be like that.

There’s always a first time.

And if we go by your argument, then you people are deceiving Umahi by giving him hope that he would succeed Shettima or Ribadu since you know the north will never vote for an Igbo man.

Penguin2:

That will be decided on the negotiation table. It’s none of your headache

I laugh at u in latin.

Obi best bet is to vice a Northern candidate in 2027.

Penguin2:

That it has been like that in the past doesn’t mean it will always be like that.

There’s always a first time.

And if we go by your argument, then you people are deceiving Umahi by giving him hope that he would succeed Shettima or Ribadu since you know the north will never vote for an Igbo man.

The north will never change their stance towards their religion or the the SE esp one under a mushroom party.umahi or otti under APC will have more chance at presidency than obi sir.

There are circumstantial evidences. Places were election did not hold have results. Uzodinma pulled more votes that all candidates in the presidential election combined.

A new person in Nigeria like you would say Uzodinma is well loved because you're new

Judgementa1:


That hearsay.

DMerciful:
There are circumstantial evidences. Places were election did not hold have results. Uzodinma pulled more votes that all candidates in the presidential election combined.

A new person in Nigeria like you would say Uzodinma is well loved because you're new

Because u are not a fan of uzodinma does not mean u should castigate him.

Will u have said same if it was obi.

U Believe uzodinma rigged but fail to realise Obi figures in the east compare to others look artificial or doctored.

I schooled in Imo state, I have friends there. They don't like Uzodinma!

Judgementa1:

Because u are not a fan of uzodinma does not mean u should castigate him.

Will u have said same if it was obi.

U Believe uzodinma rigged but fail to realise Obi figures in the east compare to others look artificial or doctored.

garfield1:



The north will never change their stance towards their religion or the the SE esp one under a mushroom party.umahi or otti under APC will have more chance at presidency than obi sir.

So you lots are salivating at the possibility of having Otti in APC abi?

I’m not gonna doubt that Otti might defect because we never know humans but the day he does that is the day he will kill the goodwill he enjoys in Abia. It might not stop him from winning re-election but the people would no longer care about him.

As for Umahi, I do pray he doesn’t cry like Orji Uzor Kalu, Okorocha and Ogbonnaya Onu cried after decades of slaving for the north thinking that’s how to get power.

In as much as I like the Op analysis, let me just state some few point;

1. In my view, the only scenario where Tinubu could lose in 2027 is if it turns into a two-party race with GEJ as the opponent. It is widely acknowledged by key figures vying for the position from the North that the South should complete its term, and only GEJ is likely to serve a single 4-year tenure, whereas any other Southern candidate may aim for an 8-year term.

2. The era of Buhari's dominance in the North has passed, now the core North is divided with each state having its own influential figures vying for the presidency, such as El-rufai (Kaduna), Kwankwaso (Kano), Atiku (Fulani based North East) and others. In 2027, if they all run, the vote would be split, with Tinubu having an advantage due to support from Northern APC governors and bigwigs eyeing the post after him. It is unlikely that any other southern candidate would gain significant support in the North, and vice versa due to point 1. Tinubu could secure a win with the North central Governor and SS support, along with the Southwest. Remember he does not need to win the states, he just need good numbers and 25% which most Governors can deliver

3. So far poverty and illiteracy persist in Nigeria, issues like vote buying, vote influencing by village chiefs/Governors will continue to occur, also rigging, which is why Governors still attract support, despite social media trends leading up to the elections. The distribution of rice and bread will start again and the poor and illiterates would forget the 3 years suffering, and currently the APC still maintains significant control of the states. Once more, the ethnicity card will be played.

Anyway, let me limit my opinion here. All the best to them in 2027, make me go look for my own daily bread

Penguin2:

So you lots are salivating at the possibility of having Otti in APC abi?

I’m not gonna doubt that Otti might defect because we never know humans but the day he does that is the day he will kill the goodwill he enjoys in Abia. It might not stop him from winning re-election but the people would no longer care about him.

As for Umahi, I do pray he doesn’t cry like Orji Uzor Kalu, Okorocha and Ogbonnaya Onu cried after decades of slaving for the north thinking that’s how to get power.

I mentioned it to by mistake.dont forget otti was in APC at some point .before otti joined lp,he was already popular in abia.this popularity was the reason why he won easily and couldn't be rigged out like mbah..
Orji is crying because he miscalculated like atiku his godfather.he sided the wrong camp.same as okorocha and onu.they all backed the north or should I say the buhari cabal instead of the tinubu camp.tinubu values loyalty,everybody that supported him are being rewarded unlike buhari that forgets his supporters.there is no se politician that has backed tinubu that hasn't been rewarded directly or indirectly.deouty speaker kalu is there because he sided tinubu,umahi is there because he sided tinubu.instead of ouk to step down for tinubu he backed lawan and said let the north have power.same thing rochas and onu did.

Penguin2:

Because as things currently stand, if the North and the East come together in 2027, not even rigging will help Tinubu in the 2027 general election. Or how can Tinubu rig in the Northwest, Northeast, North Central, Southsouth and Southeast without triggering a revolution that would consume him?

Penguin is a bird of reason!

And theirin lies the fallacy of your argument. For 8 solid years, the South East abused and insulted the North as part of their campaign of calumny against Bubu.

For the next four years, the South East will abuse and insult The South West, particularly the muslims, as part of the collective gnashing over teeth over a Peter Obi loss.

When elections come, you will now try to romance the same people you abused and insulted to link up with you.

Go and ask Chinedu Gbadebo how Obidients overturned a sure fire electoral victory, that would have piggybacked on Peter Obi defeating President Tinubu, in Lagos State through a collective lack of decorum.

As with Obasanjo, the next Ndigbo President would be disliked in his or her own region and will end up being swept into Aso rock under the APC banner.

This is what I forsee.

DMerciful:
You act like you're new in Nigeria! No evidence that Yahaya Bello, Hooe Uzodinma wrote results? Common!

Where have you been, Sir? I was wondering why I haven't been seeing your Politics section wahala. I hope you haven't gone to marry second wife. E no dey hard you.

Happy new month.

Hi Poco,

Nice to hear from you, hope you're good.
Can you believe a mod ban me for 3months for a very minor insult o.

Second wife? I don't even have a sidechick. My wife is performing above expectations so I need to appreciate her

pocohantas:


Where have you been, Sir? I was wondering why I haven't been seeing your Politics section wahala. I hope you haven't gone to marry second wife. E no dey hard you.

Happy new month.

aswani:


And theirin lies the fallacy of your argument. For 8 solid years, the South East abused and insulted the North as part of their campaign of calumny against Bubu.

For the next four years, the South East will abuse and insult The South West, particularly the muslims, as part of the collective gnashing over teeth over a Peter Obi loss.

When elections come, you will now try to romance the same people you abused and insulted to link up with you.

Go and ask Chinedu Gbadebo how Obidients overturned a sure fire electoral victory, that would have piggybacked on Peter Obi defeating President Tinubu, in Lagos State through a collective lack of decorum.

As with Obasanjo, the next Ndigbo President would be disliked in his or her own region and will end up being swept into Aso rock under the APC banner.

This is what I forsee.

Who insulted the Yoruba when they called Jimmy Agbaje Jimmichukwu and went on a campaign of calumny against him?

Penguin2:

Who insulted the Yoruba when they called Jimmy Agbaje Jimmichukwu and went on a campaign of calumny against him?

I disagreed with the name calling of Jimmy Agbaje, however he brought it up on himself by going out of his way to seek Ndigbo votes in Lagos State and making absurd promises, some that bordered on abomination, when he should have sought to appeal to all voters.

Jimmy Agbaje rán on a very divisive platform and shame on him.

Lagos is full of Ndi Everywhere, I myself know non Ńdi Yoruba like Tàpá, Benin, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Hausa, Afemai and Aniocha to name but a few people that are born and bred Lagosians. Why didn't Jimmy Agbaje go and talk to them like he did Ndigbo Lagosians?

Another one, like Obidients did for Peter Obi, who destroyed what could have been a decent political career on the altar of dirty tribalism.

garfield1:


I mentioned it to by mistake.dont forget otti was in APC at some point .before otti joined lp,he was already popular in abia.this popularity was the reason why he won easily and couldn't be rigged out like mbah..
Orji is crying because he miscalculated like atiku his godfather.he sided the wrong camp.same as okorocha and onu.they all backed the north or should I say the buhari cabal instead of the tinubu camp.tinubu values loyalty,everybody that supported him are being rewarded unlike buhari that forgets his supporters.there is no se politician that has backed tinubu that hasn't been rewarded directly or indirectly.deouty speaker kalu is there because he sided tinubu,umahi is there because he sided tinubu.instead of ouk to step down for tinubu he backed lawan and said let the north have power.same thing rochas and onu did.

Otti gained popularity as APGA guber candidate in 2015. He even won the election but got rigged out by Theodore Orji’s rigging machinery. Then he defected to APC before 2019 elections and you people didn’t think he was worth your ticket, did you?

Before Onu, Okorocha, Umahi, etc, there was Jim Nwobodo, and co who aligned with anti-Igbo elements thinking that’s how they will get power. How did they end?

And history keeps repeating itself because the anti-Igbo elements keep finding Igbo useful idiots who they will dangle same carrot they dangled for the idiots that came before them and they keep falling for it without learning from the idiots before them that it never ends well for them.

As things currently stand, it seems Wike is equally eyeing the 2031 vice presidential slot of APC is Umahi is doing. Can Umahi outplay Wike? Because if he’s not able to, then it will end tears like it ended for useful idiots before him.

aswani:


I disagreed with the name calling of Jimmy Agbaje, however he brought it up on himself by going out of his way to seek Ndigbo votes in Lagos State and making absurd promises, some that bordered on abomination, when he should have sought to appeal to all voters.

Jimmy Agbaje rán on a very divisive platform and shame on him.

Lagos is full of Ndi Everywhere, I myself know non Ńdi Yoruba like Tàpá, Benin, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Hausa, Afemai and Aniocha to name but a few people that are born and bred Lagosians. Why didn't Jimmy Agbaje go and talk to them like he did Ndigbo Lagosians?

Another one, like Obidients did for Peter Obi, who destroyed what could have been a decent political career on the altar of dirty tribalism.

You would always come up with silly excuses for your tribalism, won’t you?

But just a point of correction, Aniocha (I know you meant to say Anioma) is not different from Igbos. They are Igbos.

Now that’s settled, nobody insulted the Yorubas nor their custom in 2023. You lots just played the kind of politics handed down by Awolowo which is tribalism and all of its corollary.

GRV did not go out of his way seeking Igbo voters. He never made any anti-Yoruba comment. You people simply unearthed his previous tweets and attached meanings to them and used it for your agenda.

If elections hold one million times, you people will use same template even if it’s an Imam that is the candidate standing against Tinubu’s candidate. You are simply helplessly drenched in it.

Penguin2:

Otti gained popularity as APGA guber candidate in 2015. He even won the election but got rigged out by Theodore Orji’s rigging machinery. Then he defected to APC before 2019 elections and you people didn’t think he was worth your ticket, did you?

Before Onu, Okorocha, Umahi, etc, there was Jim Nwobodo, and co who aligned with anti-Igbo elements thinking that’s how they will get power. How did they end?

And history keeps repeating itself because the anti-Igbo elements keep finding Igbo useful idiots who they will dangle same carrot they dangled for the idiots that came before them and they keep falling for it without learning from the idiots before them that it never ends well for them.

As things currently stand, it seems Wike is equally eyeing the 2031 vice presidential slot of APC is Umahi is doing. Can Umahi outplay Wike? Because if he’s not able to, then it will end tears like it ended for useful idiots before him.

I have always supported otti,I quarrelled with Fergie in 2019 because of otti.i have always wanted pdp out of abia and otti was the man to do that.
I don't like edeoga but I wanted him to win to edge out pdp but MBA isn't doing badly and may defect..
Wike,akpabio or any defector can't be president or vice in APC as far as tinubu is there.it will always be core APC people being considered first.again,the SS will always be considered nationally first in the scheme of things before SE,you know this.its not about umahi or betrayal,it is how it is.besides,the SS are gradually aligning with apc yearly while se keeps rejecting APC so nothing for you guys.

Penguin2:

You would always come up with silly excuses for your tribalism, won’t you?

But just a point of correction, Aniocha (I know you meant to say Anioma) is not different from Igbos. They are Igbos.

Now that’s settled, nobody insulted the Yorubas nor their custom in 2023. You lots just played the kind of politics handed down by Awolowo which is tribalism and all of its corollary.

GRV did not go out of his way seeking Igbo voters. He never made any anti-Yoruba comment. You people simply unearthed his previous tweets and attached meanings to them and used it for your agenda.

If elections hold one million times, you people will use same template even if it’s an Imam that is the candidate standing against Tinubu’s candidate. You are simply helplessly drenched in it.

Ndi Anioma (thanks for the correction of my phones auto-correction) are west of the Niger and are currently located in delta state in the South South. I believe they were also in the Mid Western region (then Bendel state) rather than the Eastern region. I am also very aware they are not considered "core Igbos" as a result, that is why I identified them separately.

I am only taking about Jimmy Agbaje, set aside GRV and 2023 for now.

Ndi Yoruba voted Peter Obi over President Tinubu in Lagos state, yet you are here talking about their tribalism.

Jimmy Agbaje shot his shot and failed. You cannot run a divisive campaign in Lagos state and win. There are too many Lagosians of different ancestry that will shut you down and they did.

Even President Tinubu that you people claim owns Lagos dare not do it never mind Jimmy Agbaje. You want to tell a Lagosian Ekiti girl that has knelt down to greet the mother of her Lagosian Igbusa friend that she has known from birth that she is evil, àbi.

Per the Awolowo thing which is an excellent point, the only reason Ndi Yoruba are doing so well now in National politics and have done since Abiola is they all learnt from Awo's mistakes. Something for Ndigbo politicians to think about as well avd learn from Peter Obi's mistakes.

Judgementa1:

Because u are not a fan of uzodinma does not mean u should castigate him.

Will u have said same if it was obi.

U Believe uzodinma rigged but fail to realise Obi figures in the east compare to others look artificial or doctored.

I laughed out loud whenever I came across these kinds of comments on Nairaland. 

I always ask, How did Obi rig the election in the south-east?

This is someone without a single councilor from his party, LP.

Are you saying that the governors of the APC, PDP, and APGA, whose parties were front-runners in the presidential election, abandoned their party candidates to rig for Peter Obi?

aswani:


Ndi Anioma (thanks for the correction of my phones auto-correction) are west of the Niger and are currently located in delta state in the South South. I believe they were also in the Mid Western region (then Bendel state) rather than the Eastern region. I am also very aware they are not considered "core Igbos" as a result, that is why I identified them separately.

I am only taking about Jimmy Agbaje, set aside GRV and 2023 for now.

Ndi Yoruba voted Peter Obi over President Tinubu in Lagos state, yet you are here talking about their tribalism.

Jimmy Agbaje shot his shot and failed. You cannot run a divisive campaign in Lagos state and win. There are too many Lagosians of different ancestry that will shut you down and they did.

Even President Tinubu that you people claim owns Lagos dare not do it never mind Jimmy Agbaje. You want to tell a Lagosian Ekiti girl that has knelt down to greet the mother of her Lagosian Igbusa friend that she has known from birth that she is evil, àbi.

Per the Awolowo thing which is an excellent point, the only reason Ndi Yoruba are doing so well now in National politics and have done since Abiola is they all learnt from Awo's mistakes. Something for Ndigbo politicians to think about as well avd learn from Peter Obi's mistakes.

You can’t ask me to leave anything out. Your attitude during each election cycle needs to be considered holistically so that we can be able to extract the pattern that you all have always followed in each election cycle. Or maybe I shouldn’t be generalizing it for all Yorubas because I know that rubbish is usually carried out by a selected few coordinated in one WhatsApp group.

And about your claim of ‘Yorubas doing well in national politics’, need I remind you that you the Awolowo bloc only succeeded in 2015 when they aligned with Buhari (something that might change in 2027 by the way). Before then, you have been in opposition since 1960. Unfortunately, now you finally have the chance, you are showing the rest of Nigerians that you lots have been the architects of tribalism in Nigeria with your tribalistic utterances and lopsided appointments.

I hope that takes Tinubu far.

garfield1:


I have always supported otti,I quarrelled with Fergie in 2019 because of otti.i have always wanted pdp out of abia and otti was the man to do that.
I don't like edeoga but I wanted him to win to edge out pdp but MBA isn't doing badly and may defect..
Wike,akpabio or any defector can't be president or vice in APC as far as tinubu is there.it will always be core APC people being considered first.again,the SS will always be considered nationally first in the scheme of things before SE,you know this.its not about umahi or betrayal,it is how it is.besides,the SS are gradually aligning with apc yearly while se keeps rejecting APC so nothing for you guys.

Awesome to see you admit it.

The implication of this is that Umahi should not expect anything from APC in 2031, and that the rhetoric of “Igbos should align with APC if they want the presidency” has been all deception abi?

Lol! I’m not even surprised. I only pity slaves like Umahi. It’s not like doesn’t know he might end up getting used and dumped, no, he knows, but like those before him, he’s thinking his own case will be different but it won’t.

Ofunaofu:


I laughed out loud whenever I came across these kinds of comments on Nairaland. 

I always ask, How did Obi rig the election in the south-east?

This is someone without a single councilor from his party, LP.

Are you saying that the governors of the APC, PDP, and APGA, whose parties were front-runners in the presidential election, abandoned their party candidates to rig for Peter Obi?

You don’t even know where my own laughter usually comes from….

I always ask myself, “see what they are saying when people like Uzodimma and Umahi had to conjure figures in their states for Tinubu, what would they have said had Obi’s votes truly counted which would have been like 99.9% of votes cast in the Southeast?”

Those guys don’t know how we roll.

Who would have voted for instead? Atiku or Tinubu? As how?

Penguin2:

Awesome to see you admit it.

The implication of this is that Umahi should not expect anything from APC in 2031, and that the rhetoric of “Igbos should align with APC if they want the presidency” has been all deception abi?

Lol! I’m not even surprised. I only pity slaves like Umahi. It’s not like doesn’t know he might end up getting used and dumped, no, he knows, but like those before him, he’s thinking his own case will be different but it won’t.

I do not understand you.in terms of VP,oshio will always be considered first.oshio has always been loyal to tinubu long before umahi was deputy gov.so you expect tinubu to choose umahi over him? Umahi has a chance in the sense that he was originally in anpp before joining pdp and supported tinubu butr oshiomhole is ahead....

Aligning with apc is not just individuals coming to APC,your region must start voting them well

Penguin2:

You used to be more reasonable than this.

You used to speak with facts and commonsense but I don’t know what happened to you.

Not even Tinubu himself would say what you are saying.

All those who doubted Obi before the elections have all hidden their faces in shame but you have refused to enthrone reason but chose to dwell in inanities.

Obi won Abuja

Obi won Nasarawa

Obi won Plateau

Obi lost Benue by just 3k votes.

Obi won Lagos

Obi won Edo

Obi won Cross River

Obi won Delta even when PDP Presidential running mate was from that state and a sitting governor.

Obi won Rivers.

Talking about Southeast would amount to overkill.

Yet you sit here and blab?

You said this on another thread and I ignored you and you came here to say it again.

I would understand if you don’t want Obi to become president for whatever your reason(s) might be, but don’t ever come around my space and be illogical and irrational.

You should know I don’t roll like that

We will hang out anytime am in the country...you are very brilliant.

Penguin2:

You can’t ask me to leave anything out. Your attitude during each election cycle needs to be considered holistically so that we can be able to extract the pattern that you all have always followed in each election cycle. Or maybe I shouldn’t be generalizing it for all Yorubas because I know that rubbish is usually carried out by a selected few coordinated in one WhatsApp group.

And about your claim of ‘Yorubas doing well in national politics’, need I remind you that you the Awolowo bloc only succeeded in 2015 when they aligned with Buhari (something that might change in 2027 by the way). Before then, you have been in opposition since 1960. Unfortunately, now you finally have the chance, you are showing the rest of Nigerians that you lots have been the architects of tribalism in Nigeria with your tribalistic utterances and lopsided appointments.

I hope that takes Tinubu far.

I am happy to discuss GRV but I didn't want to conflate it with Jimmy Agbaje.

I really don't understand how Ndi Yoruba can be considered tribalists when President Tinubu lost Osun and Lagos states. In other states Tinubu won, I am certain he didn't poll more than 65%, I actually remember he won a higher percentage in some Northern states than in his own region, he also had more Northern votes in total than Ndi Yoruba ones.

Are you confusing Ndi Yoruba with Ndigbo by any chance because those were voting their own son over 85%?

I honestly don't think Pa Awo will ever consider that President Tinubu is one of his disciples but that's my personal opinion sha.

Awolowo bloc or not, the fact still stands that Ndi Yoruba are no longer on the outside looking in when it comes to National politics and that would not have happened if they are tribalistic.

Per that WhatsApp group, I thank God no one has been foolish enough to invite me becos dem go hear wen if dem try am.

Ofunaofu:


I always ask, How did Obi rig the election in the south-east?

Cynthia Okeke says ke du.

Penguin2:

You used to be more reasonable than this.

You used to speak with facts and commonsense but I don’t know what happened to you.

Not even Tinubu himself would say what you are saying.

All those who doubted Obi before the elections have all hidden their faces in shame but you have refused to enthrone reason but chose to dwell in inanities.

Obi won Abuja

Obi won Nasarawa

Obi won Plateau

Obi lost Benue by just 3k votes.

Obi won Lagos

Obi won Edo

Obi won Cross River

Obi won Delta even when PDP Presidential running mate was from that state and a sitting governor.

Obi won Rivers.

Talking about Southeast would amount to overkill.

Yet you sit here and blab?

You said this on another thread and I ignored you and you came here to say it again.

I would understand if you don’t want Obi to become president for whatever your reason(s) might be, but don’t ever come around my space and be illogical and irrational.

You should know I don’t roll like that

Don't mind them, I stopped arguing with all this set of animals long time ago. It's a real shame we breathe the same oxygen. Really shame!

SW and NC.

Yoruba are 50% of NC which is the middlebelt.

And 15% of SS.

Tinubu only needed a little more from others which he had in the last election.

If not for the Muslim Muslim ticket which had even shortchanged Tinubu, he would have taken the whole other Non Hausa Northerners in other regions. And also most of the SS. Anyways, The core Northerners, middlebelt and most of SS know Tinubu is a Yoruba who's not trying to take anyone's territory like some criminal people we know 😂 Yorubas always follow the old provincial ethnography territory map.


That being said, what Tinubu need to focus on is restructuring/regionalism to accelerate the development of Nigeria. The biggest highlight of Nigeria was when it was practicing regionalism