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MaxInDHouse:
Ask any deluded religionists that's the same way they will bet their life on their delusion yet when it comes to acting on what they claim to believe it's zero.

So if you're not ready to help yourself towards getting to the other side quickly it simply means you're not sure of what they told you!

What do you mean "help myself"?? Did not read and understand what I said about suicide and its consequences??

Its obvious you just want to continue to delude youself with your belief that everybody fear death. Just know that everytime you type or say the statement "everybody is afraid of death" you're deluding yourself.

justlove91:
What do you mean "help myself"?? Did not read and understand what I said about suicide and its consequences?? Its obvious you just want to continue to delude youself with your belief that everybody fear death. Just know that everytime you type or say the statement "everybody is afraid of death" you're deluding yourself.

OK somewhere is better than where you are presently but something gave you rule not to cross over at will and you want a sane person to see you and that your lawgiver as normal beings shey?
Omo continues deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
OK somewhere is better than where you are presently but something gave you rule not to cross over at will and you want a sane person to see you and that your lawgiver as normal beings shey?
Omo continues deceiving yourself!

You still don't get it Bro, you can't willfully create unhappiness for others and expect to be happy on the other side it just can't happen. If I should end it now I will have to reap the grief and sadness I've caused others, it's a simple law of sowing and reaping.

And since I can't reap the fruit of unhappiness in the light plane, I will most definitely find myself on the dark plane which is not where I intend to go. Why can't you understand that??

The dark plane is not a place one should be eager to go, the wicked should really fear death.

MaxInDHouse:
I want you to make this personal!

If you truly believe what this people told you i am asking you in person:

Between this side and the other side which one do you prefer?

Look, everyone has a natural in-built fear of dying.

Nobody wants to die.

Even those NDEs that went over there and were begging not to be sent back here, when they got back, they didn't want to just die and go back there again.

It's just a natural thing to want to remain WHERE YOU ARE, be it over there or over here.

It's the way God made us.

BUT it does not negate the fact that THAT SIDE is a on a totally different scale.

justlove91:
You still don't get it Bro, you can't willfully create unhappiness for others and expect to be happy on the other side it just can't happen. If I should end it now I will have to reap the grief and sadness I've caused others, it's a simple law of sowing and reaping.

And since I can't reap the fruit of unhappiness in the light plane, I will most definitely find myself on the dark plane which is not where I intend to go. Why can't you understand that??

The dark plane is not a place one should be eager to go, the wicked should really fear death.

If i believe that America is better than Nigeria and i want to leave Nigeria never to return surely i will speak with my family and tell them that whoever loves me should pack his or her luggages and off we go.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself joo!

MaxInDHouse:
If i believe that America is better than Nigeria and i want to leave Nigeria never to return surely i will speak with my family and tell them that whoever loves me should pack his or her luggages and off we go.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself joo!

So how many people have you met that viewed death as going to America, what makes you think my friends and family are any different.

And you forgot about the first reason I gave, which is that there are lessons we all need to learn here and teach others directly or indirectly. You want me to be a drop out?? Haba!!

justlove91:
So how many people have you met that viewed death as going to America, what makes you think my friends and family are any different. And you forgot about the first reason I gave, which is that there are lessons we all need to learn here and teach others directly or indirectly. You want me to be a drop out?? Haba!!

Lesson kwua?

What stupid lesson am i learning in a place that's not good for me when i can move to a better place where all my needs will be met?

We are talking about a better place so there's no need for excuses if you're sure of the better place!

MaxInDHouse:
Lesson kwua?

What stupid lesson am i learning in a place that's not good for me when i can move to a better place where all my needs will be met?

We are talking about a better place so there's no need for excuses if you're sure of the better place!

What is even your point?

Are you saying that the experiences of these people are not real?

Or that they're all lying?

Did you watch that Prof's video up there?

Does that man look like he is lying or crazy to you?

Over 22 million Americans have had an NDE in which they existed separate from their physical bodies. Millions more around the world.

And they say that THAT experience felt MORE REAL than this one.

So what are you arguing about?

There is nothing to argue about.

Catapault:
What is even your point?
Are you saying that the experiences of these people are not real?
Or that they're all lying?
Over 22 million Americans have had an NDE in which they existed separate from their physical bodies.
And they say that THAT experience felt MORE REAL than this one.
So what are you arguing about?
There is nothing to argue about.

NIGHTMARES!

That's what people do have after watching horror movies or read terrible things so that doesn't make their nightmares a reality.

If anyone wants to prove to me that there is somewhere better than this place after they die let them go Sharp Sharp no story!

MaxInDHouse:
NIGHTMARES!

That's what people do have after watching horror movies or read terrible things so that doesn't make their nightmares a reality.

If anyone wants to prove to me that there is somewhere better than this place after they die let them go Sharp Sharp no story!

USE YOUR HEAD.

Is THIS current Earth life you are in ''a nightmare''?

Is it ''a dream''?

NO.

To you it is REAL, correct?

WHY IS IT REAL?

Whatever answer you have in your head to that question, MULTIPLY IT BY 5 OR 10.

That is what NDEs experienced.

So if anything is not REAL or is a 'NIGHTMARE', it is YOUR CONDITION HERE, not what they experienced.

Catapault:
USE YOUR HEAD.
Is THIS current Earth life you are in ''a nightmare''?
Is it ''a dream''?
NO.
To you it is REAL, correct?
WHY IS IT REAL?
Whatever answer you have in your head to that question, MULTIPLY IT BY 5 OR 10.
That is what NDEs experienced.
So if anything is not REAL or is a 'NIGHTMARE', it is YOUR CONDITION HERE, not what they experienced.

All these is STORY STORY STORY if you know a better place than where you are presently and you want to go there it's a lie then if you are giving people excuses there's nowhere else that's why you are here!

MaxInDHouse:
Lesson kwua?

What stupid lesson am i learning in a place that's not good for me when i can move to a better place where all my needs will be met?

We are talking about a better place so there's no need for excuses if you're sure of the better place!

There are better places other there but one thing you should know is, you have to earn it. And those lessons you called stupid are your earning ticket.

You can't be wicked, selfish and greedy and expect to live together with beings that've conquered these qualities and are know kind compassionate and loving.

Infact, it is these qualities they have that made the place they live a better place just as there are worse places where those who are wicked, selfish and greedy are grouped together.

So if you don't learn the stupid lessons you might find yourself in a worse place.

justlove91:
There are better places other there but one thing you should know is, you have to earn it. And those lessons you called stupid are your earning ticket. You can't be wicked, selfish and greedy and expect to live together with beings that've conquered these qualities and are know kind compassionate and loving.
Infact, it is these qualities they have that made the place they live a better place just as there are worse places where those who are wicked, selfish and greedy are grouped together.
So if you don't learn the stupid lessons you might find yourself in a worse place.

Face the OP with this he needs your sermon because that's the topic of his thread:

"The idea of Hellfire is IRRATIONAL MADNESS"

Convince him that there are places worse than this planet on the other side he really needs your sermon on that.

So after all said and done the whole idea still boils down to a place of torment, this is really hilarious!

MaxInDHouse:
Face the OP with this he needs your sermon because that's the topic of his thread:

"The idea of Hellfire is IRRATIONAL MADNESS"

Convince him that there are places worse than this planet on the other side he really needs your sermon on that.

So after all said and done the whole idea still boils down to a place of torment, this is really hilarious!

The torment he is referring to is a mental one. It has nothing to do with the burning of people in a furnace.

Look. We get it.

You believe what some semi-literate desert goat herders from 3,000 BC claimed in a colonial ‘holy book’ to what your fellow human beings are telling you today, regarding transition.

There is no single shred of evidence at all for anything you believe in your little book, including all the “miracles”, yet you have the AUDACITY to be demanding all kinds of proof from the modern testimonies of transition.

But sensible people will glean that their validity as verifiable Eyewitness accounts supersedes any silly, dodgy, no-evidence Roman texts from thousands of years ago.

Tellmeastory:
The torment he is referring to is a mental one. It has nothing to do with the burning of people in a furnace.
Look. We get it.
You believe what some semi-literate desert goat herders from 3,000 BC claimed in a colonial ‘holy book’ to what your fellow human beings are telling you today, regarding transition.
There is no single shred of evidence at all for anything you believe in your little book, including all the “miracles”, yet you have the AUDACITY to be demanding all kinds of proof from the modern testimonies of transition.
But sensible people will glean that their validity as verifiable Eyewitness accounts supersedes any silly, dodgy, no-evidence Roman texts from thousands of years ago.

You should have asked me why i believe in the book despite all the strange things it says about supernatural events that can't be verified today and i will tell you the undeniable proof that the book is from the true God!

MaxInDHouse:
You should have asked me why i believe in the book despite all the strange things it says about supernatural events that can't be verified today and i will tell you the undeniable proof that the book is from the true God!

You can NEVER prove that a man flew up into heaven from a a dinner table after rising from the dead and climbing out of his grave.

You can NEVER prove that the said man walked on top of a sea without sinking.

You can NEVER prove he raised the dead, changed 3 fishes to 500, or changed water to wine.

You can NEVER prove that a man lived in a whale’s belly for 40 days before coming out alive.

You believe UTTER NONSENSE AND RUBBISH WITH ZERO EVIDENCE from 3,000 years ago, yet you have the TEMERITY to be demanding “EVIDENCE”, for actual directly lived testimonies of today.

It shows you are a brainwashed person.

The christians have brainwashed you.

And it’s clearly irreversible.

Tellmeastory:
You can NEVER prove that a man flew up into heaven from a a dinner table after rising from the dead and climbing out of his grave.

You can NEVER prove that the said man walked on top of a sea without sinking.

You can NEVER prove he raised the dead, changed 3 fishes to 500, or changed water to wine.

You can NEVER prove that a man lived in a whale’s belly for 40 days before coming out alive.

You believe UTTER NONSENSE AND RUBBISH WITH ZERO EVIDENCE, yet you have the TEMERITY to be demanding “EVIDENCE”, for actual directly lived testimonies.

It shows you are a brainwashed person.

The christians have brainwashed you.

And it’s clearly irreversible.

This is the problem with people like you!

In the comment you quoted i told you i wasn't convinced to believe what the Bible says based on supernatural events so instead of asking me what exactly convinced me that the book is saying what really happened you're here going back to what i told you wasn't the thing that convinced me!

MaxInDHouse:
This is the problem with people like you!

In the comment you quoted i told you i wasn't convinced to believe what the Bible says based on supernatural events so instead of asking me what exactly convinced me that the book is saying what really happened you're here going back to what i told you wasn't the thing that convinced me!

Well, if you don’t believe the claimed “miracles” in the book, on what basis can you believe ANYTHING ELSE about the book since it’s credibility is compromised by its falsehoods?

By its unbelievable claims?

Tellmeastory:
Well, if you don’t believe the claimed “miracles” in the book, on what basis can you believe ANYTHING ELSE about the book since it’s credibility is compromised by its falsehoods?
By its unbelievable claims?

That's where you're mistaking!

If someone told you a tiny ant fought with two Elephants and killed them even tore them to pieces of course nobody will believe that but then the same ant came around and in your own very eyes slaughtered thirty adult hyenas would you still continue doubting or have a change of heart?

That's exactly what i mean!

MaxInDHouse:
Face the OP with this he needs your sermon because that's the topic of his thread:

"The idea of Hellfire is IRRATIONAL MADNESS"

Con[b][/b]vince him that there are places worse than this planet on the other side he really needs your sermon on that.

So after all said and done the whole idea still boils down to a place of torment, this is really hilarious!

I don't have anything against the OP, let's analysis the first paragraph

The idea that the Source of All That Is, the Supreme Intelligence, has arranged an everlasting torturous FIRE to burn people “forever”, ie for trillions upon trillions upon trillions of MILLENNIA simply because they did not “believe” something during their 70 odd years on Earth is so manifestly IRRATIONAL and INSANE, that even the belief in its truism is a sign of mental disorder.


From these paragraph, anyone can deduce what the OP see as irrational.

1. That there is a literal fire that burn people.
2. That anyone that enters this fire stays there forever.
3. That this fire is created by God.

Now let's compare the points with the spirit teachings.

There is a literal fire

When I say dark plane I don't mean a place with literal fire that roast people. It a place where people with evil propensity is grouped together and they create a condition of hell for themselves.

We can see the hell different rival gangs in Lagos for example create for each other. Now imagine a place with hundreds of millions of beings with evil propensity, there is no fear of police or jail, they can act out their evil desire on each other to whatever extent they desire. They can experience the most painful torture and there is no death to ease the pain.

Also, because the place they are is a thought responsive place, these evil inner qualities are reflected on the environment, so there is no flower, light, music or anything that can please the senses or heart.

So, there is hell but there is no hellfire.

Anyone that enters this fire stay there forever

The condition of hell is not permanent or forever. Hope is eternal, even beings that have sunk to the deepest hell can "climb" out of it.
This is because hell is just a reflection of their inner state and when they begin to change their inner state from one of evil, selfish and greed to love, compassion and kindness, they begin to climb out of it to a better place and no power in heaven or earth can make them stay in a place that is not in harmony to their improved inner state.

Hellfire is created by God

Hell is not created by God, imagine the other side as a giant 3D mirror reflecting the inner qualities of each soul as an objective reality.
This means even the light planes are not created by God but a reflection of the inner qualities of being leaving there.

justlove91:
I don't have anything against the OP, let's analysis the first paragraph
The idea that the Source of All That Is, the Supreme Intelligence, has arranged an everlasting torturous FIRE to burn people “forever”, ie for trillions upon trillions upon trillions of MILLENNIA simply because they did not “believe” something during their 70 odd years on Earth is so manifestly IRRATIONAL and INSANE, that even the belief in its truism is a sign of mental disorder.

From these paragraph, anyone can deduce what the OP see as irrational.
1. That there is a literal fire that burn people.
2. That anyone that enters this fire stays there forever.
3. That this fire is created by God.
Now let's compare the points with the spirit teachings.
There is a literal fire
When I say dark plane I don't mean a place with literal fire that roast people. It a place where people with evil propensity is grouped together and they create a condition of hell for themselves.
We can see the hell different rival gangs in Lagos for example create for each other. Now imagine a place with hundreds of millions of beings with evil propensity, there is no fear of police or jail, they can act out their evil desire on each other to whatever extent they desire. They can experience the most painful torture and there is no death to ease the pain.
Also, because the place they are is a thought responsive place, these evil inner qualities are reflected on the environment, so there is no flower, light, music or anything that can please the senses or heart.
So, there is hell but there is no hellfire.
Anyone that enters this fire stay there forever
The condition of hell is not permanent or forever. Hope is eternal, even beings that have sunk to the deepest hell can "climb" out of it.
This is because hell is just a reflection of their inner state and when they begin to change their inner state from one of evil, selfish and greed to love, compassion and kindness, they begin to climb out of it to a better place and no power in heaven or earth can make them stay in a place that is not in harmony to their improved inner state.
Hellfire is created by God
Hell is not created by God, imagine the other side as a giant 3D mirror reflecting the inner qualities of each soul as an objective reality.
This means even the light planes are not created by God but a reflection of the inner qualities of being leaving there.

Guy the point is the same:

Good people will cross from here to a better condition while bad people cross into a worse condition the fire or whatever is just spices the point remains that death is not the end of living creatures.

The Bible God says DEATH ends all life so at death creatures seize to exist! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the point is the same:

Good people will cross from here to a better condition while bad people cross into a worse condition the fire or whatever is just spices the point remains that death is not the end of living creatures.

The Bible God says DEATH ends all life so at death creatures seize to exist! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Bible God is clearly wrong

justlove91:
Bible God is clearly wrong

That's what we are discussing right now it's like someone is wrong on the matter but since you concluded that the (Bible) God is wrong then you have to prove how right you are not just by the nightmares of some people rather what we can all testify to!

MaxInDHouse:
That's where you're mistaking!

If someone told you a tiny ant fought with two Elephants and killed them even tore them to pieces of course nobody will believe that but then the same ant came around and in your own very eyes slaughtered thirty adult hyenas would you still continue doubting or have a change of heart?

That's exactly what i mean!

Don’t talk in riddles to hide your irrationality.

What is your EVIDENCE for anything you believe? Don’t tell us about ants.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the point is the same:

Good people will cross from here to a better condition while bad people cross into a worse condition the fire or whatever is just spices the point remains that death is not the end of living creatures.

The Bible God says DEATH ends all life so at death creatures seize to exist! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

The ‘Bible God’ is Yahweh, and he was WRONG.

Yahweh was a deity of the Israelites.

Other regions had their own deities.

Yahweh is just one of the Orishas.

He is NOT the Supreme Intelligence.

Calling him God is like calling Shango or Amadioha God.

justlove91:
I don't have anything against the OP, let's analysis the first paragraph

The idea that the Source of All That Is, the Supreme Intelligence, has arranged an everlasting torturous FIRE to burn people “forever”, ie for trillions upon trillions upon trillions of MILLENNIA simply because they did not “believe” something during their 70 odd years on Earth is so manifestly IRRATIONAL and INSANE, that even the belief in its truism is a sign of mental disorder.


From these paragraph, anyone can deduce what the OP see as irrational.

1. That there is a literal fire that burn people.
2. That anyone that enters this fire stays there forever.
3. That this fire is created by God.

Now let's compare the points with the spirit teachings.

There is a literal fire

When I say dark plane I don't mean a place with literal fire that roast people. It a place where people with evil propensity is grouped together and they create a condition of hell for themselves.

We can see the hell different rival gangs in Lagos for example create for each other. Now imagine a place with hundreds of millions of beings with evil propensity, there is no fear of police or jail, they can act out their evil desire on each other to whatever extent they desire. They can experience the most painful torture and there is no death to ease the pain.

Also, because the place they are is a thought responsive place, these evil inner qualities are reflected on the environment, so there is no flower, light, music or anything that can please the senses or heart.

So, there is hell but there is no hellfire.

Anyone that enters this fire stay there forever

The condition of hell is not permanent or forever. Hope is eternal, even beings that have sunk to the deepest hell can "climb" out of it.
This is because hell is just a reflection of their inner state and when they begin to change their inner state from one of evil, selfish and greed to love, compassion and kindness, they begin to climb out of it to a better place and no power in heaven or earth can make them stay in a place that is not in harmony to their improved inner state.

Hellfire is created by God

Hell is not created by God, imagine the other side as a giant 3D mirror reflecting the inner qualities of each soul as an objective reality.
This means even the light planes are not created by God but a reflection of the inner qualities of being leaving there.

You know the deal, bro.

Tellmeastory:
Don’t talk in riddles to hide your irrationality.
What is your EVIDENCE for anything you believe? Don’t tell us about ants.

In the Bible is found lots of unbelievable things but then the Bible God made a claim that really touched me and i just can't stop thinking about it ever since i read it.

Whatever is found written before now is of no relevance to me than what is happening in my own eyes.

The Bible God said:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

According to this prophecy people from all the nations will start studying the Bible and as a global family begin using what is found written in it as their constitution {Isaiah 2:2-3; Micah 4:1-2} this book didn't stop there but goes on to say this people who are using the Bible as their constitution will resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials, stop the production of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against humanity! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

There is no miracle ever recorded that's greater than this!

Do you know what it means for people from all the nations, races and tribes on this planet to come out from among their own people and form such a global family of peace loving worshipers {Zephaniah 3:9} right at the same time when all the others are still planning wars against themselves? Revelations 6:3-4

Well i was a Muslim when i first heard this and i couldn't believe it until i found the organization of people in my own generation who are fulfilling this prophecy today!


So with that anything else this book says whether creation story, the global deluge and the rest became simple to me in fact the God who made that type of promise and fulfilled it today can do much more than all the miracles ever recorded in that book!

Tellmeastory:
You know the deal, bro.

Thanks man

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know what it means for people from all the nations, races and tribes on this planet to come out from among their own people and form such a global family of peace loving worshipers {Zephaniah 3:9} right at the same time when all the others are still planning wars against themselves? Revelations 6:3-4.

Your discussions always lead to this "proof"

Well i was a Muslim when i first heard this and i couldn't believe it until i found the organization of people in my own generation who are fulfilling this prophecy today!

Ofcourse, it's a self fulfilling prophecy, this organization saw the prophecy in their book and it decides to fulfil it with like minded people, what's the big deal.

And sometimes it happens that a person will find the atmosphere of one sided forced love in the organization suffocating and dump it and you all disfellowsip him/her, you see there is no supernatural glue holding the organization together just bunch of deluded fellas with common delusion.

justlove91:
Your discussions always lead to this "proof"
Ofcourse, it's a self fulfilling prophecy, this organization saw the prophecy in their book and it decides to fulfil it with like minded people, what's the big deal.
And sometimes it happens that a person will find the atmosphere of one sided forced love in the organization suffocating and dump it and you all disfellowsip him/her, you see there is no supernatural glue holding the organization together just bunch of deluded fellas with common delusion.

Ọmọ that's the greatest miracle ever in the history of mankind!

At least you acknowledged one thing: humans from all the countries of the world found like-minded individuals and formed a global family of peace loving worshipers just as that book says.
Ọmọ if you called them deluded fellas yours is the best thing that could ever happen to mankind just that your dreams aren't enough to convince sane people to make the world we live in now a better place where peace loving people of like minds agreed to live as one family.

Meanwhile you are still free to go to your other side after all it's far better than here only that you're reluctant to decide yet!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's the greatest miracle ever in the history of mankind!

At least you acknowledged one thing: humans from all the countries of the world found like-minded individuals and formed a global family of peace loving worshipers just as that book says.
Ọmọ if you called them deluded fellas yours is the best thing that could ever happen to mankind just that your dreams aren't enough to convince sane people to make the world we live in now a better place where peace loving people of like minds agreed to live as one family.

Meanwhile you are still free to go to your other side after all it's far better than here only that you're reluctant to decide yet!

If it's all peace and love, why do we have people leaving it?? I guess the love is too much they can't endure it anymore

justlove91:
If it's all peace and love, why do we have people leaving it?? I guess the love is too much they can't endure it anymore

Of course not everyone will appreciate love, joy and peace nah, selfish ones will surely despise it!