Michael547:

Oga wetin you dey talk?

I don modify

mozona:

I think I disagree Cos in the same bible carnal knowledge or sex was recorded.

Only after the first fornication and adultery had already taken place

Michael547:

So are you insinuating that Adam and Eve knew no law before eating from the forbidden tree?

They had instructions. I don't know what law you would be referring to. Is it the laws of Moses that came much later?

safarifarms:

They had instructions. I don't know what law you would be referring to. Is it the laws of Moses that came much later?

"Thou shalt not eat of it", is A Law and Command just like thou shalt not commit adultery.

StillDtruth:


"Thou shalt not eat of it", is A Law and Command just like thou shalt not commit adultery.

If you see it that way, that's fine. But the law I was talking about is the law of Moses which is often simply referred to as the law.

Michael547:

So are you insinuating that Adam and Eve knew no law before eating from the forbidden tree?

The law I was referring to was the law of Moses which was added because of transgression.

Galatians 3:19 (New International Version)
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.

Lol so a god put 2 naked adult in a close space and gave them instructions not to have sex? Just stick to the original story, there is no way this fairy tale would be told that would make sense

GanagiBitrus:
This kind of topic is just for needless arguments & has little or no significance to your salvation, which is of far more value.

You obviously undestimate the ability of the devil to use such devices (lies) to mislead soul to hell. Such lies have the capacity to put many into bondage but the knowledge of the truth sets people free. That's the whole essence if you really wanted to know.

safarifarms:

If you see it that way, that's fine. But the law I was talking about is the law of Moses which is often simply referred to as the law.

Correction, it is not The Law of Moses but The Law God gave to Moses.

And before The Law was given to Moses, God shows That Law means "Every Command that Comes out His Mouth" Exodus 19:5

And we can hear God's Voice even from Genesis 1:3.so that's when Law starts for us and over all of us in the earth.

https://www.nairaland.com/6625238/every-word-god-law-commandment#103176717

safarifarms:

They had instructions. I don't know what law you would be referring to. Is it the laws of Moses that came much later?

You said the tree of the knowledge of good and bad represented the law.
Are you saying that Adam and Eve were suppose to be ignorant of a law?
What exactly was that law?

Nawa4nl:

It's new age theory, nothing to do with scriptures that the forbidden fruit was sex.

Agreed. It's from the devil and spread by his tares.

It could not have been sex. How else would humanity have procreated with out sexual relationship?

jesusjnr2020:
Agreed. It's from the devil and spread by his tares.

Yet, you are unable to rebut it, whereas all devils works are always rebutable as they never stand.

No.

Don't forget that when the woman ate the fruit the man was not there and it was later she told the man about it.

The simple questions to unravel the truth will be:
1. Could Adam have made love to Eve in absential?
2. Was Adam there when the sarpent decieved the Eve?
3. If the fruit was sex, why did Adam told God that it was the woman that gave him the fruit to eat?.

In conclusion, the bible said God pushed them out of the garden so that they will not eat from the tree of life and become immortal. This shows that the sins have nothing to do with sex and if there was connection he would have removed the genitals and leave them in the garden instead of pursuing them

morgstreme:

Stop spewing inanities..

God commanded Adam and Eve to "Be fruitful and multiply"...how could God gave commanded them to do that without giving them the "equipment" to achieve that

If the forbidden fruit was sex,how is it that what was forbidden was still used to get Cain and Abel

Guy...

Dey use your braIn...

I think you mistake me for those so-called Christians who've fallen for this outrageous idea. They need deliverance seriously because demons must have played a role in anyone possibly believing such a blatant lie.

safarifarms:

You don't need to sound that way to make a point.

Genesis 2:17 (King James Version)
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God said that in the day that they eat the forbidden fruit, they will die. Did they have an instant death? Was the death literal? Isn't it obvious here that he didn't mean literal death but a different kind of death which is spiritual death?

If you are reading the bible as a story you will miss the point. Most of the old testament was written with figures of speech.

You still don't get the point.

Stick to the part that is figurative , don't add or remove from from it.

Jesus sometimes mixed parables and reality together in his teachings, does that make every aspect of his teachings figurative

Not everything that's beyond human knowledge or logic in the Bible is figurative

DOMAWOLEYE:
It could not have been sex. How else would humanity have procreated with out sexual relationship?

Not when the demons are at work because It takes insanity to think otherwise really.

justmondris:


That’s why you need to be careful of end time bible interpreters. Do you know why most christians find it so difficult to read the bible, it’s because the devil does not want them to know the truth so that they can easily be deceived by end time prophets and bible interpreters.

Reading the Bible is good but seems not enough sincerely, because those who are spreading this heresy are able to see the glaring truth in the bible but are still astonishingly blind to it. May we not get to that point where we become totally blind to the truth even when it's stares at us right in our faces.

Michael547:

So what is the end that God has mapped out for all his creations?

The end game is that there will be one will in the universe again.

PepeXKermit:


The end game is that there will be one will in the universe again.

What is the will oga?

Michael547:

What is the will oga?

whatever his will is. just like it was in Eternity past before the rebellion.

Michael547:

Lol.... what reproductive organ did Satan have?

😂😂😂

femi4:
You still don't get the point.

Stick to the part that is figurative , don't add or remove from from it.

Jesus sometimes mixed parables and reality together in his teachings, does that make every aspect of his teachings figurative

Not everything that's beyond human knowledge or logic in the Bible is figurative

What do you mean by stick to the part that is figurative? The whole story is full of figuratives. I just pointed out another part that should help you see that it's full of figures of speech.

If you use a word or expression in a figurative sense, you use it with a more abstract or imaginative meaning than its ordinary literal one.

Jesus always taught with parables and lots of figurative when it was not his disciples alone.

What's with the order to stick to or not stick to anything?

Your tone of response won't encourage me to continue engaging with you. I want to avoid strife.

StillDtruth:


Correction, it is not The Law of Moses but The Law God gave to Moses.

And before The Law was given to Moses, God shows That Law means "Every Command that Comes out His Mouth" Exodus 19:5

And we can hear God's Voice even from Genesis 1:3.so that's when Law starts for us and over all of us in the earth.

https://www.nairaland.com/6625238/every-word-god-law-commandment#103176717

You are funny.

Michael547:

You said the tree of the knowledge of good and bad represented the law.
Are you saying that Adam and Eve were suppose to be ignorant of a law?
What exactly was that law?

I said, the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil represents the Law of Moses (a phrase that offends one of our religious friends here who gave a point of correction. Lol). While the tree of life represents Christ.

You've been so particularly interested in what the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil represents and didn't ask about the tree of Life. Do you agree about the tree of life?

While your line of questions seems to be trying to draw someone to a particular objective of interest to you which I don't understand, your line of questioning is not clear to me either. Looks like you are trying to feed words to me. I didn't talk about Adam and Eve being ignorant or knowledgeable of a law. They had multiple options of fruit trees to eat from. Two particular trees were of great significance and were named accordingly. They didn't choose to eat the tree of life. They instead ate the one they were warned not to by following advice of the serpent (the devil).

This is synonymous with what is happening today. Many Christians prefer to work the law with the hope of pleasing God to earn salvation instead of relying on the finished work of Christ.

Now I've brought another angle that will offend the legalistic religious people. However that's a subject I won't be able to do justice to on a back and forth nairaland conversation. Don't bother focusing on that. We don't want to derail the thread which is about the story of the Garden of Eden (Figurative or Literal).

Go and ask your grandfather

safarifarms:

What do you mean by stick to the part that is figurative? The whole story is full of figuratives. I just pointed out another part that should help you see that it's full of figures of speech.

If you use a word or expression in a figurative sense, you use it with a more abstract or imaginative meaning than its ordinary literal one.

Jesus always taught with parables and lots of figurative when it was not his disciples alone.

What's with the order to stick to or not stick to anything?

Your tone of response won't encourage me to continue engaging with you. I want to avoid strife.

jagons

Adam and Eve were naked in the garden and were not ashamed: Is that part figurative?

When Jesus turned water to wine, which part of the narrative was figurative

Oga rest!

PepeXKermit:


whatever his will is. just like it was in Eternity past before the rebellion.

So you don't even know the will of God.
So how are you even sure that all that is happening today is not the will of God?

safarifarms:


I said, the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil represents the Law of Moses (a phrase that offends one of our religious friends here who gave a point of correction. Lol). While the tree of life represents Christ.

You've been so particularly interested in what the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil represents and didn't ask about the tree of Life. Do you agree about the tree of life?

While your line of questions seems to be trying to draw someone to a particular objective of interest to you which I don't understand, your line of questioning is not clear to me either. Looks like you are trying to feed words to me. I didn't talk about Adam and Eve being ignorant or knowledgeable of a law. They had multiple options of fruit trees to eat from. Two particular trees were of great significance and were named accordingly. They didn't choose to eat the tree of life. They instead ate the one they were warned not to by following advice of the serpent (the devil).

This is synonymous with what is happening today. Many Christians prefer to work the law with the hope of pleasing God to earn salvation instead of relying on the finished work of Christ.

Now I've brought another angle that will offend the legalistic religious people. However that's a subject I won't be able to do justice to on a back and forth nairaland conversation. Don't bother focusing on that. We don't want to derail the thread which is about the story of the Garden of Eden (Figurative or Literal).

Lol....you already explained what the tree of life represents. I am clear on that.
So you are saying that eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and bad made Adam and Eve to be aware of the mosaic law?
If Adam and Eve been aware of the mosaic law was a sin, why did God give the isrealites the mosaic law? Would it not have meant that God was encouraging sin?

Michael547:

Lol....you already explained what the tree of life represents. I am clear on that.
So you are saying that eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and bad made Adam and Eve to be aware of the mosaic law?
If Adam and Eve been aware of the mosaic law was a sin, why did God give the isrealites the mosaic law? Would it not have meant that God was encouraging sin?

You see, that's why it's called figurative expression. It means it's not literal. The whole Bible is centred on Christ. However, in the old testament Christ was represented in typology. You will see Christ in so many figurative expressions in the old testament. In the case of Adam in Eden he had the choice of taking Eternal life in form of the tree of life but he choose to know what is good and bad which is just like the law of Moses.

The thing is like of parable used to teach. And all these events were documented to be used for teaching today.
Romans 15:4 King James Version (KJV)
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Now there's a similitude today. There's the option of the law and the option of Christ. The Jews choose the law. Many Christians (the legalistic) believe you need Christ and the law. But you have to choose one. Adam chose the law (symbolically).

safarifarms:

You see, that's why it's called figurative expression. It means it's not literal. The whole Bible is centred on Christ. However, in the old testament Christ was represented in typology. You will see Christ in so many figurative expressions in the old testament. In the case of Adam in Eden he had the choice of taking Eternal life in form of the tree of life but he choose to know what is good and bad which is just like the law of Moses.

The thing is like of parable used to teach. And all these events were documented to be used for teaching today.
Romans 15:4 King James Version (KJV)
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Now there's a similitude today. There's the option of the law and the option of Christ. The Jews choose the law. Many Christians (the legalistic) believe you need Christ and the law. But you have to choose one. Adam chose the law (symbolically).

Do you Mean that Adam did not know what was good and bad before eating from the tree?
If yes, then how could we Blame Adam for doing bad since he did not know the difference between good and bad?

Another way of asking this question is, was sex planted in the middle of the garden?

The answer is obviously “NO”