Michael547:

So If the information given to them did not include good and bad, is it fair to hold Adam responsible for committing bad since this guy did not Even know the difference between good and Bad?
Nawa for una oo.

yes
They disobeyed God, its not a matter of right or wrong.

God removed king Saul for disobeying him even though he felt he did what was right

Disobedience is a sin even if it seems like a good act

femi4:
yes
They disobeyed God, its not a matter of right or wrong.

God removed king Saul for disobeying him even though he felt he did what was right

Disobedience is a sin even if it seems like a good act

So what you are saying is that Adam's disobedience to God was not bad? Then why was he punished since this guy was not guilty of doing something bad?
How does that make sense to you?
How can God punish someone for for a disobedience that is not even bad in his own eyes?

StillDtruth:


Guy you understand it, joor. Good and bad no dey dat time, so no body including you and me no fit say anything dey good or bad at dat time as good and bad no dey for world dat time.

And that is why God did not judge anything saying it is good or bad, so you cannot put good or bad in there, at that time!

Oga you've consistently been arguing that Adam's disobedience was not bad in the eyes of God.
So why would God punish Adam for something that he was not even aware of?
This guy could not even tell the difference between doing what is good and bad?
He could not Even know that Disobedience was a bad thing to do. So why the punishment?
How is that fair?

StillDtruth:


The thread already proves i showed you the signs and hints in the bible and you saw them so, something is very wrong with you when you pretend that you did not see them and keep saying "which signs?"

And nowhere did i say anything about sex growing from the ground all i show is that too many hints and signs point to sex.

And yesterday, i saw another hint which proves that indeed it is sex which i have presented in the thread https://www.nairaland.com/8069879/another-proof-eves-adultery-mens#129579970.

Are U this daft?

Point the signs out list them.
And explain to me what how there are signs in this verses that hint at sex.


Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: Genesis 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

StillDtruth:


The thread already proves i showed you the signs and hints in the bible and you saw them so, something is very wrong with you when you pretend that you did not see them and keep saying "which signs?"

And nowhere did i say anything about sex growing from the ground all i show is that too many hints and signs point to sex.

And yesterday, i saw another hint which proves that indeed it is sex which i have presented in the thread https://www.nairaland.com/8069879/another-proof-eves-adultery-mens#129579970.

One of the most useless articles I have ever read.

Michael547:

So what you are saying is that Adam's disobedience to God was not bad? Then why was he punished since this guy was not guilty of doing something bad?
How does that make sense to you?
How can God punish someone for for a disobedience that is not even bad in his own eyes?

You still don't get it

Obedience is better than sacrifice....that's how God operates. He doesn't use human logic.

Abraham was given an instruction to sacrifice his only son

From human sense of judgment, that's a bad act but he OBEYED

It doesn't have to make sense to you

femi4:
You still don't get it

Obedience is better than sacrifice....that's how God operates. He doesn't use human logic.

Abraham was given an instruction to sacrifice his only son

From human sense of judgment, that's a bad act but he OBEYED

It doesn't have to make sense to you

Lol...you are cunny.....Abraham's test makes a lot of sense. Abraham well knew that sacrificing Isaac was good and resisting to make the Sacrifice was bad in the eyes of the creator because that was the creator's instruction.
But you are arguing and insinuating that Adam never knew that Obedience to God was neither good nor bad.
So Adam had every right to Obey or Disobey without punishment because there was simply no standard for Adam to follow. Adam Obeying or Disobeying God would not still mean that he was doing the right thing or the wrong thing according to you.
So why the clause of a punishment If he disobeyed?

Michael547:

Lol...you are cunny.....Abraham's test makes a lot of sense. Abraham well knew that sacrificing Isaac was good and resisting to make the Sacrifice was bad in the eyes of the creator because that was the creator's instruction.
But you are arguing and insinuating that Adam never knew that Obedience to God was neither good nor bad.
So Adam had every right to Obey or Disobey without punishment because there was simply no standard for Adam to follow. Adam Obeying or Disobeying God would not still mean that he was doing the right thing or the wrong thing according to you.
So why the clause of a punishment If he disobeyed?

I am not, you are the one using human logic to reason God's way.

You called it test cos you know the end of the story. Abraham didn't see it as a test when he received the instruction, infact he didn't inform Sarah and couldn't give good explanation to Isaac but he just OBEYED.

Kindly show me where Abraham was excited on his way to sacrifice Isaac

God doesn't joke with being OBEDIENCE to his command irrespective of what you think about it, whether it make sense or not. Of course most times he does not always make sense

Your case would have been justified if there were no existing rules

Romans 5:19

For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be brought back to God


Adam had pre existing knowledge : EAT n YOU WILL DIE. That means Adam knew about DEATH

blueAgent:


One of the most useless articles I have ever read.

Usual reaction when Truth is first heard.

blueAgent:


Are U this daft?

Point the signs out list them.
And explain to me what how there are signs in this verses that hint at sex.

Clearly, your denial has turned you into
a mad blind liar of a person for i posted some of the signs in my post to you and you even responded to in a way showing you saw them. And i even put the link for you to see them and also took you to the thread itself.

Yet you say "which signs?" and now "Point the signs out list them". You need to go see Dr. House and co.

StillDtruth:


Clearly, your denial has turned you into
a mad blind liar of a person for i posted some of the signs in my post to you and you even responded to in a way showing you saw them. And i even put the link for you to see them and also took you to the thread itself.

Yet you say "which signs?" and now "Point the signs out list them". You need to go see Dr. House and co.

Abeg don't quote me again.
You are not serious

blueAgent:


Abeg don't quote me again.
You are not serious

Denial! you cant wake a person pretending to sleep" Anonymous.

The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it."
Ayn Rand

femi4:
I am not, you are the one using human logic to reason God's way.

You called it test cos you know the end of the story. Abraham didn't see it as a test when he received the instruction, infact he didn't inform Sarah and couldn't give good explanation to Isaac but he just OBEYED.

Kindly show me where Abraham was excited on his way to sacrifice Isaac

God doesn't joke with being OBEDIENCE to his command irrespective of what you think about it, whether it make sense or not. Of course most times he does not always make sense

Your case would have been justified if there were no existing rules

Romans 5:19

For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be brought back to God


Adam had pre existing knowledge : EAT n YOU WILL DIE. That means Adam knew about DEATH

You are missing the point.....Did Abraham know that it was good to obey God and that it was bad to Disobey God?
Yes or no?

Michael547:

You are missing the point.....Did Abraham know that it was good to obey God and that it was bad to Disobey God?
Yes or no?

You are the one missing out.
Yes, Abraham knew.... Adam knew as well cos God told him that if you disobey , you will DIE

God didn't even use the word SIN but DEATH to underscore the importance of keeping his rule and the consequences of disobeying him

Adam had that knowledge that the consequences of disobeying God is death

femi4:
You are the one missing out.
Yes, Abraham knew.... Adam knew as well cos God told him that if you disobey , you will DIE

God didn't even use the word SIN but DEATH to underscore the importance of keeping his rule and the consequences of disobeying him

Adam had that knowledge that the consequences of disobeying God is death

Sorry, Abraham knew good and bad but Adam did not know good and bad since goood and bad did not exist.

But he knew other things like obidience/disibedience and consequences.

And that is why you see that they were not judged on good/bad but on obedience/disobedience.

StillDtruth:


Sorry, Abraham knew good and bad but Adam did not know good and bad since goood and bad did not exist.

But he knew other things like obidience/disibedience and consequences.

And that is why you see that they were not judged on good/bad but on obedience/disobedience.

Who told you that? Even Adam knew Eve was good

Gen 2:23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.

Eve said the fruit was GOOD and pleasing to the eyes

Gen 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.

You talk as if these guys were dummy in the garden of Eden

femi4:
You are the one missing out.
Yes, Abraham knew.... Adam knew as well cos God told him that if you disobey , you will DIE

God didn't even use the word SIN but DEATH to underscore the importance of keeping his rule and the consequences of disobeying him

Adam had that knowledge that the consequences of disobeying God is death

So Adam knew that it was bad to disobey God by eating from the tree, right?

femi4:
Who told you that? Even Adam knew Eve was good

Gen 2:23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.

Eve said the fruit was GOOD and pleasing to the eyes

Gen 3:6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.

You talk as if these guys were dummy in the garden of Eden

This is where you see there is a difference between knowing good/bad and naturally identifying things that maybe good/bad.

The knowledge of good and bad requires a person to have the duty and obligation of assessing and considering whether a specific subject matter is good or bad eg considering whether you should travel or not.

And this is different from the natural guide God gave man in immediately discerning things in nature which may be good or bad for him whether he has the information of its goodness/badness or not.

Eg you do not need good/bad to decide which shoe to wear or which soup you can create from yam

Absence of knowing whether a thing is good or bad does not mean dummy as proven by many intelligent people here who have asked whether a thing is good or bad eg
https://www.nairaland.com/445208/it-good-remove-thermostat-stop#6033681
https://www.nairaland.com/1834409/eating-raw-noodles-safe-not#25069887

Clearly, these people have no knowledge whether these things are good or bad but that does not mean that they do not have knowledge on driving and cooking.

StillDtruth:


This is where you see there is a difference between knowing good/bad and naturally identifying things that maybe good/bad.

The knowledge of good and bad requires a person to have the duty and obligation of assessing and considering whether a specific subject matter is good or bad eg considering whether you should travel or not.

And this is different from the natural guide God gave man in immediately discerning things in nature which may be good or bad for him whether he has the information of its goodness/badness or not.

Eg you do not need good/bad to decide which shoe to wear or which soup you can create from yam

Absence of knowing whether a thing is good or bad does not mean dummy as proven by many intelligent people here who have asked whether a thing is good or bad eg
https://www.nairaland.com/445208/it-good-remove-thermostat-stop#6033681
https://www.nairaland.com/1834409/eating-raw-noodles-safe-not#25069887

Clearly, these people have no knowledge whether these things are good or bad but that does not mean that they do not have knowledge on driving and cooking.

Exactly, knowledge is a big domain. That's why people go for masters n PhD to seek knowledge in a TINY part of a whole

femi4:
Exactly, knowledge is a big domain. That's why people go for masters n PhD to seek knowledge in a TINY part of a whole

Precisely!

StillDtruth:


This is where you see there is a difference between knowing good/bad and naturally identifying things that maybe good/bad.

The knowledge of good and bad requires a person to have the duty and obligation of assessing and considering whether a specific subject matter is good or bad eg considering whether you should travel or not.

And this is different from the natural guide God gave man in immediately discerning things in nature which may be good or bad for him whether he has the information of its goodness/badness or not.

Eg you do not need good/bad to decide which shoe to wear or which soup you can create from yam

Absence of knowing whether a thing is good or bad does not mean dummy as proven by many intelligent people here who have asked whether a thing is good or bad eg
https://www.nairaland.com/445208/it-good-remove-thermostat-stop#6033681
https://www.nairaland.com/1834409/eating-raw-noodles-safe-not#25069887

Clearly, these people have no knowledge whether these things are good or bad but that does not mean that they do not have knowledge on driving and cooking.

Oga did Adam know that it was bad to disobey God and that it was good to obey God?
Yes or no?

Michael547:

Oga did Adam know that it was bad to disobey God and that it was good to obey God?
Yes or no?

And i have answered you that good and bad was not there on that day, so you cannot ask that.

StillDtruth:


And i have answered you that good and bad was not there on that day, so you cannot ask that.

Was Adam's disobedience bad in the eyes of God?

Michael547:

Was Adam's disobedience bad in the eyes of God?

God knows good and evil na so of course yes.

But did the Adam.know good and bad? No!

StillDtruth:


God knows good and evil na so of course yes.

But did the Adam.know good and bad? No!

Do you know that disobedience to God is bad?

Michael547:

Do you know that disobedience to God is bad?

Of course i do now, the app of knowing good and bad has been working since after Adam opened it

StillDtruth:


Of course i do now, the app of knowing good and bad has been working since after Adam opened it

Lol....So God knows that disobedience is bad....you also know that disobedience is bad...... But Adam does not know that disobedience is bad but God punished him.
How is that fair?

Michael547:

Lol....So God knows that disobedience is bad....you also know that disobedience is bad...... But Adam does not know that disobedience is bad but God punished him.
How is that fair?

See your cut and join question, does that sound fair?

Especially as you know that the app of good and bad only started working After.Adam broke opened it.

For you to have to resort to cheating with your cut and join already proves that you have become dishonest and unfair.

StillDtruth:


See your cut and join question, does that sound fair?

Especially as you know that the app of good and bad only started working After.Adam broke opened it.

For you to have to resort to cheating with your cut and join already proves that you have become dishonest and unfair.

Lol...how is my question cut and join.
You've said that God knows that disobedience is bad. You also know that disobedience to God is bad. Adam did not know that disobedience to God is bad but he was punished. How is that fair Oga?

Michael547:

Lol...how is my question cut and join.
You've said that God knows that disobedience is bad. You also know that disobedience to God is bad. Adam did not know that disobedience to God is bad but he was punished. How is that fair Oga?

You are the one being unfair for you already know Adam was before me.and all of us at a time there was no good or bad.

And God Who knew all, also did not judge him on good and bad, so how can you be asking for good and bad to judge Adam when there was no good and bad then?

You are the one being unfair.

StillDtruth:


You are the one being unfair for you already know Adam was before me.and all of us at a time there was no good or bad.

And God Who knew all, also did not judge him on good and bad, so how can you be asking for good and bad to judge Adam when there was no good and bad then?

You are the one being unfair.

Lol....you are confused....you said Adam did not know that disobedience to God was bad but God knew. So why did he deserve to be punished since God did not tell him that disobedience was bad? That is my question.

Michael547:

Lol....you are confused....you said Adam did not know that disobedience to God was bad but God knew. So why did he deserve to be punished since God did not tell him that disobedience was bad? That is my question.

And my answer has always been that they were punished for their disobedience only, since good and bad was not in existence if i may say so..