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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 11:47am On Apr 25, 2024

jaephoenix:
If a programmer inserted a software into a machine memory, isn't that indication that the software exists?

1. I think we all agree that softwares in a Machine EXISTS and therefore Real!
2. The Question I am asking is that is the Software Within a Machine TANGIBLE?

jaephoenix:
Yes u can't touch software but they are tangible because we can interact with them
Software programming in the brain?

Do you agree that ANYTHING that is tangible Must have either a mass or a dimension or energy.

Do you agree with this:
Your Book is Tangible but the Information on it is NOT Tangible.
Your Television is Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Radio is Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Hands are Tangible but the Sign-Language Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Brail Book is tangible but the Information on it is NOT Tangible.
The Morse-code keys are Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.

With all these, you feel the effect of the communication by your Understanding, Entertainment , Emotion and others BUT the information neither has either a mass or a dimension or energy.

jaephoenix:
At what age does this programming happen?
From emotions, volition etc, babies learn all these from their environment. That's why a baby raised by animals behave like them. All the inputs comes from the interaction with the environment, and environment includes people and animals

Every AI machine is first TRAINED by programmers: The Training involves being loaded with Data and Information which makes the AI machine able to learn by itself when deployed. So also is the baby. All babies seem to have the gift of curiosity and adventure, they also seem to want to mimic what they see around them in their environment.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 11:53am On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
I know more about softwares or hardware than you ever think you know and this is why we are having problems with understanding BASIC things that need no argument.

Im not challenging on software and the discussion here is not about that.

Everyone understands what you're saying,but the question we keep asking you here is what's the point of all this display to show you know more than others?

Let me come down with you to ground zero and make basic explanations (which you can confirm about the software written i any machine)

Basic information about Information and Data written on Any Hardware
1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc.

2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device

3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable.

4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS)

5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device.
6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible

Do these make sense or which one do you disagree with?

. Please take all of the above to the right section or connect it with the op, spirit. You're derailing the thread if you don't want to be honest.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by FRANCISTOWN: 12:12pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
Dont insist on falsehood just to keep yourself in an argument
1. Gravity is NOT a force

My kid sister once asked me this question several years ago and I remember spending a great deal of time explaining how gravity works.
When Einstein said gravity isn't a force. What he actually meant was that Gravity is not a traditional force like the other forces.
How did he come to that conclusion?
One day he was walking thru the city and he saw some men fixing a roof.
Then, in his head, he imagined that, if one of the men slipped and was falling down.
The man falling down wouldn't feel a force pulling him, neither would he feel a force pushing him. And also since gravity didn't bend the rays of light.
Then he said gravity must not be a force, like the fundamental ones.

But gravitational effects are basically caused by the warping of spacetime and the acceleration of objects through the warped spacetime. It evidently looks like a force was applied, something must be responsible for the acceleration. Therefore, the most accurate approach would be to call gravity an "emergent force," meaning that what looks like a direct force is actually emerging from more fundamental effects (the warping of spacetime). With this in mind, it is perfectly reasonable to call gravity a real force.

This force of reaction (weight) determines that gravity is a force and not a geometric property of spacetime. This is the result, once the gravitational mass is revealed as the object of the gravitational acceleration, free of its cancellation, by its inertial mass, during the free fall of body.

In a free fall, a body falls at 9.8m/s. What is responsible for the acceleration?

Let's leave ChatGPT. Let's rub minds together. What do you think gravity is, if it's not a force?

The reason I said you should leave ChatGPT is because ChatGPT is powered by AI. AI uses machine learning.
It's outputs are based on the inputs.

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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 1:07pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
1. I think we all agree that softwares in a Machine EXISTS and therefore Real!
2. The Question I am asking is that is the Software Within a Machine TANGIBLE?

Do you agree that ANYTHING that is tangible Must have either a mass or a dimension or energy.

Do you agree with this:
Your Book is Tangible but the Information on it is NOT Tangible.
Your Television is Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Radio is Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Hands are Tangible but the Sign-Language Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Brail Book is tangible but the Information on it is NOT Tangible.
The Morse-code keys are Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.

With all these, you feel the effect of the communication by your Understanding, Entertainment , Emotion and others BUT the information neither has either a mass or a dimension or energy.

Every AI machine is first TRAINED by programmers: The Training involves being loaded with Data and Information which makes the AI machine able to learn by itself when deployed. So also is the baby. All babies seem to have the gift of curiosity and adventure, they also seem to want to mimic what they see around them in their environment.

Yes software is tangible, and we have done our best to explain to you why both me, FRANCISTOWN, KnownUnknown. But somehow u don't understand

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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by FRANCISTOWN: 1:19pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
Mr FRANCISTOWN
Please before you respond: Do we agree on these below
1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc.

I'm failing to see how this is relevant to our discussion.

TenQ:
2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device.

So what are you getting at?

[quote author=TenQ post=129621005]3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable.

Th data exist to the machine but the file is considered to be in a format that is not supported by the machine.

For instance, when you have a file with (.exe) extension on an android phone. You will see the file, though you can't read or write to it. But you can see it and you can delete it.

A simple case is if you had a video file with a (.mkv) extension. Your regular video player will may not be able to read the data in that file. But the video file dataexist on your phone(the machine).
Let's say you download a VLC. You'll be able to read the data.

On i and Android OS. You'll see such files as "unsupported file format" or "unknown".
The data contained within the file do exists to the machine. The file is detectable but the data are undetectable to the machine, until the file is opened.

I think you and I should be careful of the terms that we use to avoid misconstruing and misunderstanding.

TenQ:
4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS)

Absolutely

TenQ:
6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible.

Lemme just copy and paste my response on your other thread.
"It depends on which context. In my previous post on your other thread. I remember I said clearly that "I didn't say whether or softwares are not tangible." because the word "tangible" can serve different purposes depending on the mind of the speaker.

For instance: The word tangible can be a "Noun" and at the same time an "adjective"

According to my wikitionary:

Adjective:
tangible

•Touchable; able to be touched or felt; perceptible by the sense of touch
Synonyms: palpable

or
•Possible to be treated as fact; real or concrete.
or
•Comprehensible by the mind; understandable.

If you looked at the first definition. Since softwares are not perceptible by any sense of touch. It is safe to say softwares are intangible but the second and third definition, especially the last definition.
A software is Comprehensible and understandable.
For without the two, a software is useless.

Now it is possible to say that a software is tangible (adjective)

Also

Noun:
tangible (plural tangibles)

•A physical object, something that can be touched.

•Real or concrete results.
Yes, but what are the tangibles?

If we were to follow the first definition.
We could possibly say a software is intangible.
But if we were to follow the second definition. Since softwares are real. Therefore we can say that softwares are tangible.

TenQ:
Of course: What is your definition of an existence being Tangible?

If it satisfied at least one criterion of the fundamental laws for all observers everywhere.

TenQ:
My Questions:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?

Tangible is a very ambiguous term.

TenQ:
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?

Very real.

TenQ:
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?

By mass and dimension, any physical quantification of a software is often than not impossible without the aid of a hardware. Since software itself is not perceptible by any sense of touch.

But softwares are measured and quantified by their value now.

TenQ:
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?

Without the use of a hardware? I'm not sure there is much wisdom in that.

TenQ:
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?[/i]

Softwares can't stay on a machine's C.P.U. The C.P.U only takes instructions from the memory and execute them.

There are softwares that do not need other softwares to detect them.
The very common one is the OS(operating system)

One very simple way you can detect a software without using another software is to just use a hardware.

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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 1:20pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
Please check: I see where you are making your gross errors.

We know there is Gravity because of its effects
BUT
Gravity is not made up of matter
Gravity does not have energy
Gravity does not have dimension
Gravity cannot be removed from one place to the other

In other words, Gravity is NOT Tangible even though it EXISTS
We can only Feel the Effects of Gravity on masses (the effect is what is called weight)

The same with Electric Fields and Magnetic Fields. We can feel their Effects on charges or other magnetic materials as Electric or Magnetic Forces, but the Fields themselves are NOT Tangible. They cannot be described as physical; they are invisible.

I agree with you that Consciousness is a Special subset of Life (or Living) therefore they may not be perfectly synonymous.

Therefore, I will use Consciousness rather than Life (for the rest of the discussion)

As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness Tangible?

Yes, consciousness is tangible. We feel it. When one loses consciousness , the person loses all senses of feeling, seeing, touching, hearing and tasting, the so-called human senses. S/he doesn't feel anything.
The problem u have is u have refused to accept the definition of tangibility. And I can't help u with that, I'm sorry. If you decide u would not accept the definition given by multiple well known and world class dictionaries, then I'm done here.

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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 1:25pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
So the cells of my hair is Life?

Think Bro!

Your cells(whether hair, nail, bone etc) all contain life. This means they can grow and utilize oxygen. If they don't have life, they won't be able to do those actions. Thank you

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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 2:07pm On Apr 25, 2024

KnownUnknown:
The question is straight out of the mind of a ignorant person who doesn’t even realize how benighted he is.

Of course a fool is one who cannot process a question yet claim the question doesn't make sense.

Example:
Is the President of Nigeria a man or a woman?
A Fools Response:
This question is straight out of the mind of a ignorant person who doesn’t even realize how benighted he is.
How can one know if Tinubu is a man or woman: there is no evidence he is a man or woman?

The rest of us shake our heads in amazement!

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 2:08pm On Apr 25, 2024

jaephoenix:
Your cells(whether hair, nail, bone etc) all contain life. This means they can grow and utilize oxygen. If they don't have life, they won't be able to do those actions. Thank you

I have modified the question for you:

Is consciousness Real or not: if it is real, is it Tangible?

The Soul is the center of Emotion, Will and Intellect : Using the same argument with consciousness is it Tangible or not?

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 2:10pm On Apr 25, 2024

jaephoenix:
Yes, consciousness is tangible. We feel it. When one loses consciousness , the person loses all senses of feeling, seeing, touching, hearing and tasting, the so-called human senses. S/he doesn't feel anything.
The problem u have is u have refused to accept the definition of tangibility. And I can't help u with that, I'm sorry. If you decide u would not accept the definition given by multiple well known and world class dictionaries, then I'm done here.

Have you agreed to the definition of Magnetic and Gravitational Fields as Real but not Tangible?

Can Consciousness be defined in terms of Matter, Space or Energy?

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 2:18pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
Have you agreed to the definition of Magnetic and Gravitational Fields as Real but not Tangible?

Can Consciousness be defined in terms of Matter, Space or Energy?

I'm done

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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 10:28pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
Summary:

Conclusion:
1. If we insist on using Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE that produces EFFECTS on matter, then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will be Tangible. But note that other than these Effects there is NO EVIDENCE for them. Whatever we have is a NOMENCLATURE that describes the cause of the Effects we observe

2. If we use Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE or REALITY that can be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time (whether by touch or machine other than softwares) then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, magnetic Field Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will NOT be Tangible.

Do we agree to these two basic rules. We have an understanding asd a rule of Engagement

No! You do not have any such agreement that there is no evidence for Gravity, Electric Field, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics, especially if you insist on putting them on a scale to weigh them or measure the space they occupy with a ruler or time them.

And neither do you have the authority to set any rules of engagement!

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by Aemmyjah(m): 10:33pm On Apr 25, 2024

budaatum:
No! You do not have any such agreement that there is no evidence for Gravity, Electric Field, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics, especially if you insist on putting them on a scale to weigh them or measure the space they occupy with a ruler or time them.

And neither do you have the authority to set any rules of engagement!

Why then did you n LordReed not agree on what is tangible?

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 10:48pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
I did some elementary Biology and I think I havent forgotten everything. Only that I have never come across LIFE in a biological cell before.

How can you possibly teach anyone anything to do with science if you only think you remember? Or rather, who in their right mind and with even just elementary science would let you set the context and teach them?

Your elementary Biology must have been in nursery school or you weren't paying attention since life is what biology is the entire study of.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 11:04pm On Apr 25, 2024

Aemmyjah:
Why then did you n LordReed not agree on what is tangible?

My Lord and I do not have to agree on what is tangible, nor do Aemmyjah and I need to agree on what is tangible considering you and I have not discussed it in particular, and neither must TenQ and I agree despite discussing it at length. What is important is that my Lord and TenQ (and not you though unless you bother to read the conversation), understand what tangible means to me and that I understand what tangible means to my Lord and to TenQ in the context of a conversation about spirits.

We are all presenting tangible evidence of the intangible thoughts in our heads for everyone to see so that by our fruits (tangible words and behaviours), we shall be known.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 11:32pm On Apr 25, 2024

budaatum:
My Lord and I do not have to agree on what is tangible, nor do Aemmyjah and I need to agree on what is tangible considering you and I have not discussed it in particular, and neither must TenQ and I agree despite discussing it at length. What is important is that my Lord and TenQ (and not you though unless you bother to read the conversation), understand what tangible means to me and that I understand what tangible means to my Lord and to TenQ in the context of a conversation about spirits.

We are all presenting tangible evidence of the intangible thoughts in our heads for everyone to see so that by our fruits (tangible words and behaviours), we shall be known.

It is all about context.
My context was very clear from the beginning
Software WITHIN the Hardware of a computer.

And I have decided to go with everyone's definition but with a clause: You have to be consistent in applying it.

Again:
Summary:

Conclusion:
1. If we insist on using Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE that produces EFFECTS on matter, then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will be Tangible. But note that other than these Effects there is NO EVIDENCE for them. Whatever we have is a NOMENCLATURE that describes the cause of the Effects we observe

2. If we use Tangible to mean ANY EXISTENCE or REALITY that can be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time (whether by touch or machine other than softwares) then we must be CONSISTENT with our definition as Gravity, Electric Field, magnetic Field Software, Logic, Information, Consciousness, Mathematics will NOT be Tangible.

Do we agree to these two basic rules. We have an understanding asd a rule of Engagement

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 11:38pm On Apr 25, 2024

TenQ:
It is all about context.
My context was very clear from the beginning

It is indeed all about context, and the context of this thread is Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible, and it was very clearly set in the beginning and before you arrived in the thread TenQ, so your request to change the context to suit yourself is emphatically tangibly denied!

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 12:04am On Apr 26, 2024

budaatum:
It is indeed all about context, and the context of this thread is Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible, and it was very clearly set in the beginning and before you arrived in the thread TenQ, so your request to change the context to suit yourself is emphatically tangibly denied!

And my quest was to show you that there are Existences that are Not Tangible but Real.

Then came the army of those who chose their definition of tangibility to mean having effects on materials even though they know is not the normal use of the word.

All I require from them is just consistency in the application of their definition. QED!

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 12:34am On Apr 26, 2024

TenQ:
And my quest was to show you that there are Existences that are Not Tangible but Real.

The fact that you used software that is really in the machine just shows how little you know, especially when you insist on the "view of the machine's context", and disregard the fact that none of us intend to ask the machine if software is in it or not.

And the fact that you fail to realise that the theory of tangibility and reality go way back to before Christ and before the Bible shows how little you have to show.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 6:20am On Apr 26, 2024

budaatum:
The fact that you used software that is really in the machine just shows how little you know, especially when you insist on the "view of the machine's context", and disregard the fact that none of us intend to ask the machine if software is in it or not.

Is it not because you already know that the machine operates with the software, is why you do not ask nor intend to ask?

And that is the point i believe TenQ was making.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 6:30am On Apr 26, 2024

StillDtruth:
Is it not because you already know that the machine operates with the software, is why you do noy ask nor intend to ask?

And that is the point i believe TenQ was making.

TenQ did not make any such point, nor has TenQ claimed he did,

TenQ has not made any connection to a living human being in fact, not as far as I have seen, though do please point to it if you have evidence I may have missed.

It would have been interesting to read what was assumed to be the software in a human being if he'd dared.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 6:54am On Apr 26, 2024

budaatum:
TenQ did not make any such point, nor has TenQ claimed he did,

TenQ has not made any connection to a living human being in fact, not as far as I have seen, though do please point to it if you have evidence I may have missed.

It would have been interesting to read what was assumed to be the software in a human being if he'd dared.

Was this isssue not arising out of my thread Re: What Is Spirit? by Veecruz: 6:40pm On Apr 12
KnownUnknown:
Tell me in layman’s language, what is a spirit?

Clearly, all these argument is to put it to you that you like the rest of the world are aware of the existence of spirit in man and that your argunent in denial of you cannot see it, is most ridculous and a lie because, no one, incliding yo cannot see a software and yet we all know like the rest of the world, it exists.

And that is the point of TenQ's line of argument.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 7:18am On Apr 26, 2024

StillDtruth:
Was this isssue not arising out of my thread Re: What Is Spirit? by Veecruz: 6:40pm On Apr 12
KnownUnknown:
Tell me in layman’s language, what is a spirit?

Clearly, all these argument is to put it to you that you like the rest of the world are aware of the existence of spirit in man and that your argunent in denial of you cannot see it, is most ridculous and a lie because, no one, incliding yo cannot see a software and yet we all know like the rest of the world, it exists.

And that is the point of TenQ's line of argument.

We argued that software does exist, and not many would claim spirit, in as as much as it denotes life, does not exist in human beings, depending on definition. I wouldn't be surprised if someone even claims the spirit is even tangible, though that might stretch the word some, but software is far more tangible than spirit which is much less so, so how does one prove the existence or lack of or reality of the other?

Did you intend to weigh the spirit and measure the spirit's dimensions or time it or determine if it changed in space or time, TenQ? We never got that far.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 7:28am On Apr 26, 2024

budaatum:
We argued that software does exist, ..

That is the point of TenQ's argument. And you peiple were supposed to keep quiet in shame but no, you people had to make it worse in your bid to extricate yourself only to end up reconfirming and stating what TenQ was impliedly saying in his poser, which is

like the rest of the world are aware of the existence of spirit in man and that your argunent in denial of you cannot see it, is most ridculous and a lie because, no one, incliding you cannot see a software and yet we all know like the rest of the world, that it exists.

And that is the point of TenQ's line of argument.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 3:36pm On Apr 26, 2024

TenQ:
I know more about softwares or hardware than you ever think you know and this is why we are having problems with understanding BASIC things that need no argument.

Let me come down with you to ground zero and make basic explanations (which you can confirm about the software written i any machine)

Basic information about Information and Data written on Any Hardware
1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc.

2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device

3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable.

4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS)

5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device.
6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible

Do these make sense or which one do you disagree with?

What kind of human being are you? You didn't read what I said?

If you want to show you know more about softwares then take it to the right section .

You're acting irrationally by bringing in something else into a thread that's focused on spirit.

Na wah o

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 8:18pm On Apr 26, 2024

StillDtruth:
That is the point of TenQ's argument. And you peiple were supposed to keep quiet in shame but no, you people had to make it worse in your bid to extricate yourself only to end up reconfirming and stating what TenQ was impliedly saying in his poser, which is

like the rest of the world are aware of the existence of spirit in man and that your argunent in denial of you cannot see it, is most ridculous and a lie because, no one, incliding you cannot see a software and yet we all know like the rest of the world, that it exists.

And that is the point of TenQ's line of argument.

TenQ, present your line of argument so you are not mischaracterized and misrepresented.

Define spirit.

Is spirit, the software in the machine?

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 9:00pm On Apr 26, 2024

Incidentally, Tenq's first post re this subject, was on the 16th of April and is posted below, and it was rather nonsense as was pointed out to him, and as I've now found with your silly definition of spirit as the invisible part of man as was quickly pointed out too.

KnownUnknown:
That sounds like nonsense, especially given the negative definition.

Defining something as non physical and invincible is basically describing nothing.

I can borrow your definition and say Tizizi is the non physical and invincible part of a woman. Does that make any kind of sense? No

Try again.

StillDtruth/Veecruz/dtruthspeaker, I see your spirit on Nairaland because your spirit is not invisible. In fact, the only people who would say that your spirit is not visible and not real and is intangible, are those looking at you with their naked eyes or those who want to measure the mass of your spirit on a scale or your spirit's dimensions with a ruler or those who lack the knowledge so feel they need to carve you up to get at your spirit inside a machine.

Your spirit is reflected in your words you post on Nairaland and in your conduct and how you relate with others and how you think and reason too, and it is real and it exists and it is tangible for those who open their eyes to look, and just the spirit in which you began the thread on spirits says quite a lot about your spirit.

Here is Christ teaching on spirit seeing.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by StillDtruth: 9:16am On Apr 27, 2024

budaatum:
Incidentally, Tenq's first post re this subject, was on the 16th of April and is posted below, and it was rather nonsense as was pointed out to him, and as I've now found with your silly definition of spirit as the invisible part of man as was quickly pointed out too.

See overafterthought coming over 2 weeks late as if it is now and for the first time you saw my definition, whereas, since the 14th of April, you saw my definition up here and you ran away from addressing it like your fellow atheists.

So keep running away!

budaatum:
StillDtruth/Veecruz/dtruthspeaker, I see your spirit on Nairaland because your spirit is not invisible. ..

1) Overr Afterthought!

2) The record bears witness that you herein confess that spirit is real

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by budaatum: 10:36pm On May 08, 2024

budaatum:
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
~ Francis Bacon (1605)

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by HellVictorinho6(m): 5:05am On May 09, 2024

Do i exist now cheesy

well, av got nothing 2 say about spirits when u compare people 2 machines.

ur question is based on comparing humans 2 machines, tho such aint new.

av been compared 2 a bottle b4 as well.

Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by Dtruthspeaker: 10:41am On Jul 06, 2024*

jaephoenix:
You're just stupid. Bluetooth has been found to exist. It has properties we can measure, we can send files through it. Does spirits have any properties we can measure? Bastarddd

You are super stupid for even shifting the post for you stupid people's argument was that you did not believe spirits exist BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE CLAIM NOT TO SEE IT.

And now the bluetooth example has shown you people are very very stupid.

And now, in confirmation of your stupidity, you now come 4months later to reargue what you had already lost ONLY.TO CHANGE POST. COMPLETE PROOF THAT YOU ARE A VERY VERY STUPID PERSON.

Not to talk about the facts that spirit also have propertes which even your brother devil badatum confessed and highligted in the thread,

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