AbuTwins:
One of the flimsy reasons why Jesus is called God today was because people pay homage to him as a Prophet and man of God!

Here are some of the verses:

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (prosekynēsan).

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him(prosekynēsan), saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again what does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him (prosekynēsan). Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him (prosekynēsan) and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The man bowed (prosekynēsan) in front of Jesus and said, "I believe, Lord." John 9:38

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

It seems the Bible translators had been toying with many brains for long!

Finally when Jesus worshipped the father in Matthew 26:39, they never used worshipped even it is clear he was earnestly praying to someone greater than him!

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

SIRTee15:


Then explain why the same word proskyneson which is worship in koine greek was used when refering to worshipping God.

Why did the angel refuse John to worship him- proskyneson but told him to worship- proskyneson only God.


“Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say,

‘You must worship (proskyneson) the Lord your God and serve only him!

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw all these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship- (proskyneo) at the feet of the angel who showed them to me. 9 But he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship (proskyneson) only God!”

AbuTwins:


What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

When you do that for God is it not worship or what else can it mean?

A final example for you to check out:
“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ Matthew 18:26

Same word prosekynei is used in the verse above again translated as fell on his kneel!

Assuming Jesus was involved it will also be worshipped!

Is it not clearly dubious?

AbuTwins:

One of the flimsy reasons why Jesus is called God today was because people pay homage to him as a Prophet and man of God!

Here are some of the verses:

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (prosekynēsan).

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him(prosekynēsan), saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again what does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him (prosekynēsan). Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him (prosekynēsan) and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The man bowed (prosekynēsan) in front of Jesus and said, "I believe, Lord." John 9:38

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

It seems the Bible translators had been toying with many brains for long!

Finally when Jesus worshipped the father in Matthew 26:39, they never used worshipped even it is clear he was earnestly praying to someone greater than him!

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

MaxInDHouse:


The question you need to answer now:

Are people worshiping Jesus today Christians since people back then never worshiped him?

You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ Matthew 15:7-9

Janosky:


Salient point.

Al Salam alaikum.

AbuTwins:

They are in majority and also call themselves Christians!

AbuTwins:


What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

When you do that for God is it not worship or what else can it mean?

A final example for you to check out:
“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ Matthew 18:26

Same word prosekynei is used in the verse above again translated as fell on his kneel!

Assuming Jesus was involved it will also be worshipped!

Is it not clearly dubious?

SIRTee15:


Answer my question or keep quiet.

When Jesus said Thou shall worship only the LORD thy God...what is the koine Greek word used for worship.

Why did the angel refuse worship from John in revelation if worship only meant to prostate.

Why did the angel tell John to worship only God.

The word used for worship in the verses I quoted was proskyneson.

AbuTwins:


Bowing or prostrating for God is worship so it can be used for God!

There's no difference between he knelt/bowed for God and he worshipped God in the Biblical context!

When it comes to humans it is always bow/kneel that is used!

So the translators determined what to use for Jesus to make him God!


How do you worship as Christians? You clap, sing, dance, etc. Do the angels regard that as worship? No!

Worship is to bow/kneel/put the face on the ground!

The First commandment!



What word do you expect to be used?
I perfectly agree with you that the word is used to mean worship for Example:

“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship (proskynēsete) the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. John 4:21

But the traditional meaning is to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

“At this the servant fell on his knees (prosekynei) before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ Matthew 18:26

Webster's Bible Translation
The servant therefore fell down, and worshiped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

You can see the translators toying with your brain except if you have only eyes without insight!

AbuTwins:
One of the flimsy reasons why Jesus is called God today was because people pay homage to him as a Prophet and man of God!

Here are some of the verses:

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (prosekynēsan).

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him(prosekynēsan), saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again what does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him (prosekynēsan). Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him (prosekynēsan) and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The man bowed (prosekynēsan) in front of Jesus and said, "I believe, Lord." John 9:38

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

It seems the Bible translators had been toying with many brains for long!

Finally when Jesus worshipped the father in Matthew 26:39, they never used worshipped even when it is clear that he was earnestly praying to someone greater than him!

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

Lawag3:

were Jesus says he is God?

MaxInDHouse:
The right word is "OBEISANCE" which means "PAY HOMAGE" not WORSHIP.

The astrologers from the East don't know the baby but Satan led them to him so that they will pay homage to him the same way people back then does to great kings, what Satan intend to do with that is to make Herod the Great feel his reign will soon end since he knew through the scriptures that the Messiah will conquer all the kingdoms in the world {Daniel 2:44} this will trigger intense hatred so as to get the baby killed.
And that's exactly what happened!
All male babies in Bethlehem Ephrata were slaughtered while baby Jesus has been taken away safely.
So those astrologers were Satan's agents but they don't know that Satan is their god!

MightySparrow:

Again, old friend!
You explanation is logical but not exact.
There is nothing unscriptural for Satan to reveal any truth. Truth is truth and cannot become lies because of the source.
Devil revealed the identity of Christ
Matt.8.29 - And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Devil revealed of Paul.
Acts.16.16 - And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Acts.16.17 - The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
Which of the claims of this demonic is not true?
Balaam revealed the identity and prophesied about Israel.
Num.24.16 - He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:
Num.24.17 - I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
Num.24.18 - And Edom shall be a possession, Seir also shall be a possession for his enemies; and Israel shall do valiantly.
Num.24.19 - Out of Jacob shall come he that shall have dominion, and shall destroy him that remaineth of the city.
Which of the claims of Balaam was wrong?
In the spiritual world are similarities and connectivity. After, the Devil was ousted out of heaven, he still found his way to the meeting of sons of God. How did he know the time of meeting? Who invented him? What was his mission? Why was he given admittance?
The spiritual world is a continuum. Overzealous of men make unrealistic interpretations of the Bible.
Is Jesus the Son of God?
Was Paul a servant of God
At the Mount of 'Temptation' Satan claimed the ownership of the earth. Jesus didn't rebuke him. Why? He was making a statement of fact. Luke 4: 6.
Truth is truth no matter the source !!!

MaxInDHouse:


The word we're talking about is
(prosekynēsan)
And it's use in the context of discussion it may be rendered OBEISANCE and WORSHIP.
So if a believer is applying it since he knows the only true God {John 17:3} he won't say that it's worship when it involves someone who isn't the true God rather we will take it as obeisance but trinitarians who believes that Jesus is God always render this word as worship when it involves Jesus as for God's people Jesus is not our God so we render it as OBEISANCE!

That's what we're discussing!

MightySparrow:

I am a trinitarian.
John 1:1 mentions two gods, right?

Lawag3:


So what if I show you a verse from the Bible were Jesus says he is God?
What will you do?


Because Jesus refers to himself as God many times in the Bible

SIRTee15:


U have not answered my question. U are simply playing with semantics.

John actually fell on his knees to worship the angel. But the angel rejected it.

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

He fell on his knees to worship the angel...why did the angel not accept it as sign of respect?
Why did the angel regard John falling at his feet to proskyneson as something only for God.


Pagans can worship whatever they like, we talking of Jews here who fully understands that only ONE should be worshipped.


When Peter met Cornelius in acts 10.25, Cornelius fell on the feet of Peter and worshipped him.

. 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped (proskyneson) him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”

Why did Peter reject proskyneson if it's just to bow as you insinuating.
Once again, Cornelius fell on his feet to worship...why did Peter not accept it as sign of respect.
Why did Peter regard Cornelius falling at his feet to proskyneson something meant only for God.

Yet Jesus was busy collecting proskyneson all over the place in Galilee and Judea. He didn't reject it and never corrected anybody not to fall at their feet to proskyneson him.

Peter a disciple of Jesus rejected same proskyneson given to Jesus and told people it's only meant for God.

The angel a heavenly being rejected same proskyneson given to Jesus and told people it's only meant for God.

Why didn't Jesus say the same thing, why was Jesus collecting proskyneson meant only for God.

That's my question.

MaxInDHouse:


I have told you this times without number that the title GOD was used in the Bible for Moses and others so when God promised to send another prophet like Moses to the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} and through Isaiah we read that this promised God will be born in the midst of Israelites {Isaiah 9:6} we know that he is not to be worshiped by God's people just as we don't think of worshiping Moses or other Gods mentioned in the Bible book of Psalms 82:6

That's why we render the Bible book of John 1:1-2 as:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God!

So we are not confused regarding what John wrote in that verse!

MightySparrow:

That's the issue. That's why we render the Bible book of John 1:1-2

MightySparrow:

Your rendition gives another meaning to the real meaning. Jesus existed in heaven as the Word. He had an existence before the earthly existence. Was Moses incarnated?

MightySparrow:

Is there any difference between the godship of Moses and that of Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:

Different religions claiming Christians rendered the two verses differently it's what they're able to produce with their rendition that matters to me personally! Matthew 7:16-18

Whatever meaning your own religion gives it is your church doctrine whether real or not what should matter most is the produce afterwards.

NO! Both of them are God's prophet and it's when they walked on earth that they served as Gods Moses was declared "God" by the Creator {Exodus 7:1} Jesus was also given whatever title he bear by the Creator! Isaiah 9:6 compare to Matthew 28:18
So when God declared that He will send another prophet like Moses we don't think of their godship as anything other than privileges to serve under the most high God who gave them the privilege! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

MightySparrow:

That's the issue. That's why we render the Bible book of John 1:1-2

Your rendition gives another meaning to the real meaning. Jesus existed in heaven as the Word. He had an existence before the earthly existence. Was Moses incarnated?

MightySparrow:

Is there any difference between the godship of Moses and that of Jesus?

MightySparrow:

John.1.14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word became flesh.......
What became Moses?

MaxInDHouse:


Because he existed before we exist means he's no ordinary human but in the context of being a prophet both himself and Moses are prophets and Gods not to be worshiped that's why both of them directed worshipers to the only true God who is Jehovah!

MightySparrow:

Meaning, Jesus and Moses are not , by nature, in the same class of being, right?

MaxInDHouse:

Of course they're not but when talking about their assignment as prophets it's the same none between the two should be worshiped!

MightySparrow:

Why didn't Moses sacrifice himself if their assignment were the same?