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Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 5:25pm On Apr 30
SIRTee15:


Jesus said I and the Father are one. That's same nature.


Another one...
John 5

17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but Jesus was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

I will come back later and explain divinity of Jesus and hypostatic union for you.
Its only fair U understand what we believe.
whether U accept or not is up to U.

What are the contexts of those verse?
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 5:27pm On Apr 30
Emusan:


This doesn't answer my question.

I can jump to anywhere or is it not the same issue we're addressing?

It's not for you so stop bouncing!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 5:27pm On Apr 30
Emusan:


Let's recap from here, is the problem you have is BIBLE INTERPRETATION (which means you agree all Bible text are correct) or HOW NEW TESTAMENT WAS CREATED TO MAKE JESUS GOD?

All of the above and more!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 5:49pm On Apr 30
SIRTee15:


Jesus himself use his mouth to say he was physically present in the old testament.

Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”

“The son of David,” they replied.

43 Jesus said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,

44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’[e]

45 If then David calls the Messiah ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.


Now Jesus was referring to psalm 110 in this passage and was making it clear David in the spirit saw the Messiah and wrote about him.

I think we will turn this debate into a bible study class for AbuTwin. We will teach him out bible and not the dawahgandist he's been trained to parrot in the mosque.

Here we will give him sound and true knowledge of our scriptures.
Hopefully one day he will join his nairaland Muslim colleague to admit and confess Jesus Christ is divine.

Sound and true knowledge of Scripture indeed!

1. Are you sure David wrote that Psalm cos the last time there was a claim that David didn't write a Psalm verse here.

2. Psalm 110:1
New International Version
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

In the above there are two people referred namely The LORD (Yahweh) and another my lord (la·ḏō·nî). Now it is common sense that adoni is used for man with authority as master or ruler not God which you claim Jesus was!

For Example in 1 Samuel 24:8, David called Saul his lord (adoni)
Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, “My lord (adoni) the king!” When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

Also Elisha's followers called him lord (adoni) in 2 Kings 2:19.
The people of the city said to Elisha, “Look, our lord, this town is well situated, as you can see, but the water is bad and the land is unproductive.”

Don't worry i know the NT tried to make Jesus God with this one too but the reference from the Old testament is clear on this!

Yahweh is the father!
Adoni is a man with authority not God!
This is busted!

cc: Emusan
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 6:13pm On Apr 30
AbuTwins:


All of the above and more!

So, by this statement "the New Testament was created to make Jesus God" you're referring to the whole New Testament right?

Lastly, do you mean the New Testament is fake all through?
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 7:43pm On Apr 30
AbuTwins:


Sound and true knowledge of Scripture indeed!

1. Are you sure David wrote that Psalm cos the last time there was a claim that David didn't write a Psalm verse here.

2. Psalm 110:1
New International Version
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

In the above there are two people referred namely The LORD (Yahweh) and another my lord (la·ḏō·nî). Now it is common sense that adoni is used for man with authority as master or ruler not God which you claim Jesus was!

For Example in 1 Samuel 24:8, David called Saul his lord (adoni)
Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, “My lord (adoni) the king!” When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

Also Elisha's followers called him lord (adoni) in 2 Kings 2:19.
The people of the city said to Elisha, “Look, our lord, this town is well situated, as you can see, but the water is bad and the land is unproductive.”

Don't worry i know the NT tried to make Jesus God with this one too but the reference from the Old testament is clear on this!

Yahweh is the father!
Adoni is a man with authority not God!
This is busted!

cc: Emusan

What do U understand by sitting on the right hand of God.
That does right hand of God and what does it mean for someone to sit at the right hand of God.
Where will this person sit on the right hand of God- heaven or earth.
So a mere mortal will sit on the right hand of God in heaven!!!!
In case U don't know the judaism regard the passage as refering to the Messiah.
And then verse 4 spoke about being a priest forever on the order of Melchizedek
Islam 110 is definitely not talking about a mortal man.
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 7:44pm On Apr 30
AbuTwins:


What are the contexts of those verse?

U asking me for context?
U no get eyes to go and read John 5 yourself.

Go and read John 5 and explain to me how the Jews reach the conclusion Jesus is equal to God.
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 10:15pm On Apr 30
Emusan:


For them to keep dodging these simple questions means they know what they are actually doing.


No Muslim dare answer the question. I've been asking the question for a year now but no answer.

Instead they answer the question I didn't ask them.

The true response to that question will expose the yansh of Islam as a religion of contradiction.


Any Muslim wants to try....

According to the Qur'an

If Jesus is indeed the son of God, should he be worshipped?
If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped.

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Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Westerhoffe(m): 10:26pm On Apr 30
AbuTwins:
One of the flimsy reasons why Jesus is called God today was because people pay homage to him as a Prophet and man of God!

Here are some of the verses:

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (prosekynēsan).

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him(prosekynēsan), saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again what does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Why was "Worshipped" used above?
To make Jesus God!

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him (prosekynēsan). Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him (prosekynēsan) and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The man bowed (prosekynēsan) in front of Jesus and said, "I believe, Lord." John 9:38

What does prosekynēsan mean in Greek that New Testament was translated from?
It means to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

It seems the Bible translators had been toying with many brains for long!

Finally when Jesus worshipped the father in Matthew 26:39, they never used worshipped even when it is clear that he was earnestly praying to someone greater than him!

Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”




What do you know about JESUS CHRIST?
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Ken4Christ: 11:54pm On Apr 30
AbuTwins:


So Jesus is God in Human flesh and yet still worshipped God? Where did Jesus say he has the same nature of God in him?

Does it mean that the father and spirit too can become human and die like Jesus?

Is Jesus coequal with the father and Spirit? If yes, Prove it?


Yes, he is God in human flesh but he didn't function as God on earth. This is why he had to be anointed by the Holy Spirit to carry out his mission.

However, he was very conscious of his divinity and said it in many ways. But on earth, he functioned as a man empowered by the Holy Spirit.

On one occasion, he said, I and my father are one. This is one proof that he is equal with God in the very essence of his nature. He had the divine life of God flowing in his vein.

So as man on earth, he had to worship the Father.

Notice that before Jesus came, no one ever called God father. Not even the likes of Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah etc.

So, the Jews wanted to kill him for calling God is father. They knew what he meant. They accused him of making himself equal with God.

The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of the father. In another place, he is called the Spirit of Christ. That shows the oneness in the Trinity.

On one occasion, he said that he will send the Holy Spirit from the Father. On another occasion, he said that the Father will send the Holy Spirit. Trinity is a mystery beyond human comprehension. You receive such truth with your spirit. You can't figure it out with your senses because it doesn't make sense. This is why you should be born again so you can have the capacity to grasp certain spiritual truths that the mind cannot understand.

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Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:24am On May 01
AbuTwins:

And more so, Abraham's sons are to be the nation of God! And truly, from Ismael came only Muhammad as the only Arab Prophet!
All nations had Prophets!

@ AbuTwins

I want you to respond to this comment:

You said ~ from Ismael came only Muhammed as the only Arab Prophet!
All nations had Prophets!


If Muhammed is the only prophet that came from Ishmael and all nations (including Nigeria) had prophets then:
Why must you have to worship through what a Saudi Arabian prophet said?
Why not one from your own place?
Those Arabs brainwashed people with lies that God is for all nations and that it's not only the Israelites that are God's people yet they brought their own prophet and book to you so that you can worship in the name of their prophet, using what they wrote in their book, using their language to worship, calling God in their language and to worsen the matter you must bow towards the black stone in Mecca their own country!


Is that not the height of deception?

If they claim that God is not only for Israelites then each and everyone must worship in the name of a prophet from their geographical locations not the God of Israel or Saudi! smiley
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Antilslaam: 7:33am On May 01
Antilslaam:


But your allah wish to have a son

Quran 39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. Be He Glorified! He is Allah, the One, the Absolute.

Meanwhile your allah has daughters

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan
Has He chosen daughters over sons

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Ahmed & Samira
He chose/purified the daughters on/over the sons


AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE:

Quran 53:19-21
Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females



Slave Jihadi AbuTwins, shey you'll ask your Alfa, imam, Utazh, sheikh, etc to explain the above verses for you so as not to come back here next time claiming that allah has no partner
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 7:48am On May 02
Emusan:


So, by this statement "the New Testament was created to make Jesus God" you're referring to the whole New Testament right?

Lastly, do you mean the New Testament is fake all through?

Of course! The whole New testament was tailored to make Jesus divine. But the job was done woefully!

Even in anything fake there may still be some atom of truth!

"For example, Hear O Israel the Lord our God is one" is a true statement that is believed from time immemorial as a statement of Prophets.
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 9:02am On May 02
AbuTwins:
Of course! The whole New testament was tailored to make Jesus divine. But the job was done woefully!

You can see you're just going back and forth.

At first you wanted to pin it on TRANSLATION

Which means reading the New Testament one will conclude that Jesus is God.

Even in anything fake there may still be some atom of truth!

"For example, Hear O Israel the Lord our God is one" is a true statement that is believed from time immemorial as a statement of Prophets.

So there are ATOM of truth in the New Testament yet your first sentence read "Of course, THE WHOLE OF New Testament was tailored to make Jesus Divine"

This shows the level of your confusion.

You enter this confusion because one part of mind still believes that Muhammad was mentioned in the same TAILORED New Testament. grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 9:22am On May 02
Emusan:


You can see you're just going back and forth.

At first you wanted to pin it on TRANSLATION

Which means reading the New Testament one will conclude that Jesus is God.
It is more than translation error! I will go back and forth when it's not only you i respond to here!



So there are ATOM of truth in the New Testament yet your first sentence read "Of course, THE WHOLE OF New Testament was tailored to make Jesus Divine"

This shows the level of your confusion.

You enter this confusion because one part of mind still believes that Muhammad was mentioned in the same TAILORED New Testament. grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
The book being tailored to make Jesus divine does not mean there won't be some truth therein.
There's no confusion in this!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 9:48am On May 02
Ken4Christ:


Yes, he is God in human flesh but he didn't function as God on earth. This is why he had to be anointed by the Holy Spirit to carry out his mission.
All these theory are lies! God is not a man - Numbers 23:19.

However, he was very conscious of his divinity and said it in many ways. But on earth, he functioned as a man empowered by the Holy Spirit.
Samson too was empowered by the same spirit to kill people. Jesus was simply a man!

On one occasion, he said, I and my father are one. This is one proof that he is equal with God in the very essence of his nature. He had the divine life of God flowing in his vein.
The contexts of the verse is oneness of purpose and not oneness of persons! He did say the father is greater than him too!

So as man on earth, he had to worship the Father.
So he is a worshipper!

Notice that before Jesus came, no one ever called God father. Not even the likes of Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah etc.
But God was calling them son so why can't they call him father? So how did God born Jesus, is it by reproduction, adoption or what means?

So, the Jews wanted to kill him for calling God is father. They knew what he meant. They accused him of making himself equal with God.
He was speaking in parables and did confuse them!

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language' according to the Bible?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of the father. In another place, he is called the Spirit of Christ. That shows the oneness in the Trinity.
This is part of the Nicene creed that was fixed for you in the council of Nicaea!

Is your Spirit separate from you? If your God has a Spirit then it should not be another person other than him!

On one occasion, he said that he will send the Holy Spirit from the Father. On another occasion, he said that the Father will send the Holy Spirit. Trinity is a mystery beyond human comprehension. You receive such truth with your spirit. You can't figure it out with your senses because it doesn't make sense. This is why you should be born again so you can have the capacity to grasp certain spiritual truths that the mind cannot understand.

So the father can send the son on errand! The Son can send the spirit on errand! How are they equal? Trinity is a flaw that you just have to believe by faith! The Bible scholars have tried to prove and explain it from the Bible and in reality but they've always failed!

So i need to be born again to understand God when the statement is clear? grin

Hear O Israel the Lord our God is ONE!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 9:49am On May 02
Westerhoffe:



What do you know about JESUS CHRIST?

He was a man approved of God with miracles and sent only to the lost sheep of Israel!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:27am On May 02
SIRTee15:


What do U understand by sitting on the right hand of God.
That does right hand of God and what does it mean for someone to sit at the right hand of God.
Where will this person sit on the right hand of God- heaven or earth.
So a mere mortal will sit on the right hand of God in heaven!!!!
In case U don't know the judaism regard the passage as refering to the Messiah.
And then verse 4 spoke about being a priest forever on the order of Melchizedek
Islam 110 is definitely not talking about a mortal man.

I asked who wrote the Psalm verse.

The question is not about who is sitting at the right side of God (which of course brings another argument that Jesus and his father are two not one) but about the word LORD aka YAHWEH and Adoni (lord)!

Stop deflecting!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 10:32am On May 02
AbuTwins:
It is more than translation error! I will go back and forth when it's not only you i respond to here!

Which means you agreed that what you read in your translation(s) is what the translator(s) understand from the manuscripts that were used, is that right?

The book being tailored to make Jesus divine does not mean there won't be some truth therein.

Does this tailor come as a result of TRANSLATION or what was pen down before translation?

There's no confusion in this!

There's confusion and it's because you want to eat your cake and also have it.

Here is the confusion again: "So there are ATOM of truth in the New Testament yet your first sentence read "Of course, THE WHOLE OF New Testament was tailored to make Jesus Divine"

How can you say there's an atom of truth IN THE WHOLE OF WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FRAUD?

Do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE' or you want to admit that's not the word you intended to use?
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 10:52am On May 02
Emusan:


Which means you agreed that what you read in your translation(s) is what the translator(s) understand from the manuscripts that were used, is that right?
Most likely. I think Erasmus didn't even used his Textus Receptus fully well...and that's why the KJV has too many grave errors!

Does this tailor come as a result of TRANSLATION or what was pen down before translation?
Both and also the councils from Nicaea onwards fixed a lot of things!

There's confusion and it's because you want to eat your cake and also have it.

Here is the confusion again: "So there are ATOM of truth in the New Testament yet your first sentence read "Of course, THE WHOLE OF New Testament was tailored to make Jesus Divine"

How can you say there's an atom of truth IN THE WHOLE OF WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FRAUD?

Do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE' or you want to admit that's not the word you intended to use?
There's no confusion except the one you want to create. There can be truth even in the midst of an entire fraud!

A politician can make a budget of N70Bn for a project and can use only N7Bn for the same project in reality!
The N7Bn is the true value of the N70Bn project cost!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 10:59am On May 02
AbuTwins:
Most likely. I think Erasmus didn't even used his Textus Receptus fully well...and that's why the KJV has too many grave errors!

Both and also the councils from Nicaea onwards fixed a lot of things!

So in a nutshell, we should discard the New Testament in totality. Right?

There's no confusion except the one you want to create. There can be truth even in the midst of an entire fraud!

A politician can make a budget of N70Bn for a project and can use only N7Bn for the same project in reality!
The N7Bn is the true value of the N70Bn project cost!

Do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE'?

So how can you say "there are ATOM of truth in the New Testament yet your first sentence read "Of course, THE WHOLE OF New Testament was tailored to make Jesus Divine"?

It's evident that you want to eat your cake and also have it. Which is not possible!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 11:16am On May 02
Emusan:


So in a nutshell, we should discard the New Testament in totality. Right?
That one no be my business!


Do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE'?
Yes ask any Christian they'll tell you the NT is all about Jesus! And they'll interpret it to be just like that with the trinity mindset...

So how can you say "there are ATOM of truth in the New Testament yet your first sentence read "Of course, THE WHOLE OF New Testament was tailored to make Jesus Divine"?

It's evident that you want to eat your cake and also have it. Which is not possible!

Of course it is possible!
Jesus said God is one!
Christians interpret it to mean Three in One!
One is still there!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 12:44pm On May 02
AbuTwins:
That one no be my business!

If it's not your business you won't create this thread.

So answer my question.

Yes ask any Christian they'll tell you the NT is all about Jesus! And they'll interpret it to be just like that with the trinity mindset...

That is Christian and leave them out of it.

I'm asking you AbuTwins, do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE' as you used it above?

Of course it is possible!

You mean it's possible to eat your cake and also have it...you must be joking.

Jesus said God is one!
Christians interpret it to mean Three in One!
One is still there!

Nobody ask you this

Let's established the authenticity/fraudulent of the New Testament first.

Which is what you have been dodging for the reasons best known to you since.

My point is simple, you can't claim "there's an atom of TRUTH and at the same time affirmed that THE WHOLE New Testament was TAILORED (fogged) to make Jesus Divine"
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 12:56pm On May 02
Emusan:


If it's not your business you won't create this thread.

So answer my question.
Okay, Hell was created for a reason!



That is Christian and leave them out of it.

I'm asking you AbuTwins, do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE' as you used it above?
It's English and whole can be used informally to mean an appreciable amount of something!
You should get the usage!

You mean it's possible to eat your cake and also have it...you must be joking.

You can eat half and still have half!


Nobody ask you this

Let's established the authenticity/fraudulent of the New Testament first.

Which is what you have been dodging for the reasons best known to you since.

My point is simple, you can't claim "there's an atom of TRUTH and at the same time affirmed that THE WHOLE New Testament was TAILORED (fogged) to make Jesus Divine"

Of cos i can make such claims as there's no contradiction in it!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 1:20pm On May 02
AbuTwins:
Okay, Hell was created for a reason!

This so not answer to my question.

It's English and whole can be used informally to mean an appreciable amount of something!
You should get the usage!

It's evident you don't know what you're saying and very dishonest.

To be whole is to be undivided unit.

You can eat half and still have half!

Then it's not WHOLE.

You see how you exposed your dishonesty

Of cos i can make such claims as there's no contradiction in it!

You're even more confused than before.

Such a shame!

You made a claim yet you can't stand by it with your full chest.
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 1:54pm On May 02
Emusan:


This so not answer to my question.
So what is the answer since it is your question?


It's evident you don't know what you're saying and very dishonest.

To be whole is to be undivided unit.
Not really dishonest! English language can sometimes be subjective.

I just wished to use "Whole" for an appreciable amount of something!
And rightly so!

Then it's not WHOLE.

You see how you exposed your dishonesty

If you mean the dictionary "Whole" then that's not what i meant!


You're even more confused than before.

Such a shame!

You made a claim yet you can't stand by it with your full chest.

I see no confusion or contradiction here!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Emusan(m): 2:11pm On May 02
AbuTwins:
So what is the answer since it is your question?

I asked you question and you're asking me answer to the question shocked shocked

Here it is again, So in a nutshell, we should discard the New Testament in totality. Right?

Not really dishonest! English language can sometimes be subjective.

I just wished to use "Whole" for an appreciable amount of something!
And rightly so!

You see how arrogance is exposing your dishonesty.

I asked you the question below then, which you dance over it, thinking you're smart. "Do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE' or you want to admit that's not the word you intended to use?

Now, you're claiming what you use WHOLE for is different, which means you decided to give it YOUR OWN MEANING and when you're even being corrected you're still being adamant.

That's bad.

Now since you agree it's not the WHOLE NEW TESTAMENT, then you're wrong with your assertion.

If you mean the dictionary "Whole" then that's not what i meant!

So how will you use a word and decided to give it YOUR OWN MEANING?

DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

I see no confusion or contradiction here!

But the confusion and contradiction are well written over your post.
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by AbuTwins: 4:45pm On May 02
Emusan:


I asked you question and you're asking me answer to the question shocked shocked

Here it is again, So in a nutshell, we should discard the New Testament in totality. Right?
I can't decide for you as it is not my business!

You see how arrogance is exposing your dishonesty.

I asked you the question below then, which you dance over it, thinking you're smart. "Do you know the meaning of 'WHOLE' or you want to admit that's not the word you intended to use?

Now, you're claiming what you use WHOLE for is different, which means you decided to give it YOUR OWN MEANING and when you're even being corrected you're still being adamant.

That's bad.

Now since you agree it's not the WHOLE NEW TESTAMENT, then you're wrong with your assertion.
I have explained my definition of "whole" in this context to you!

Na so Jesus spoke Aramaic even his disciples no understand am!

So how will you use a word and decided to give it YOUR OWN MEANING?

DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?
Of course Jesus allegedly did same!
And it made sense to many like you!

But the confusion and contradiction are well written over your post.
Your opinion!
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by SIRTee15: 6:36pm On May 02
AbuTwins:


I asked who wrote the Psalm verse.

The question is not about who is sitting at the right side of God (which of course brings another argument that Jesus and his father are two not one) but about the word LORD aka YAHWEH and Adoni (lord)!

Stop deflecting!

Its a psalm of David.
Jesus said David was in the spirit when he described what he wrote down in psalm 110. It wasn't like David actually saw LORD with his eyes or had a direct view of heaven.

Visions are revealed in Anthropomorphism. It means what's been revealed is designed to make sense to the human mind.
In visions, Jesus is always distinct from the Father. This is seen in book of revelation where the Lamb of God (Jesus) is seen as distinct from God Almighty. Read revelation 4&5 for context.
Yet Jesus calls himself the First and the last, beginning and the end in Revelation 22, a title reserved only for God.
Also Daniel 7 described ancient of days( God Almighty) giving divinity to who is like the son of man (Jesus).

That YHWH and Adonai are used separately in Psalm 110 or anywhere else in the doesn't negate the concept of trinity.

Psalm 110 is a messianic prophesy. Jews understood it to be a messianic prophesy and the lord- adoni is believed to be the Messiah seated on the right hand of God.

Right hand of God means having the same status and honour as God. This makes [b]the lord [/b]on Psalm 110 a divine Messiah. The Jews coined the term son of God for this divine Messiah.

And that's why I asked the question U running away from...

According to the Koran, if the Messiah is truly the son of God, should he be worshipped.

At least the Qur'an got that right...that's why U are embarrassed by that verse.

U are embarrassed by the truth.

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Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Ken4Christ: 8:08pm On May 02
AbuTwins:
All these theory are lies! God is not a man - Numbers 23:19.

Samson too was empowered by the same spirit to kill people. Jesus was simply a man!

The contexts of the verse is oneness of purpose and not oneness of persons! He did say the father is greater than him too!

So he is a worshipper!

But God was calling them son so why can't they call him father? So how did God born Jesus, is it by reproduction, adoption or what means?

He was speaking in parables and did confuse them!

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language' according to the Bible?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

This is part of the Nicene creed that was fixed for you in the council of Nicaea!

Is your Spirit separate from you? If your God has a Spirit then it should not be another person other than him!



So the father can send the son on errand! The Son can send the spirit on errand! How are they equal? Trinity is a flaw that you just have to believe by faith! The Bible scholars have tried to prove and explain it from the Bible and in reality but they've always failed!

So i need to be born again to understand God when the statement is clear? grin

Hear O Israel the Lord our God is ONE!

Your Quran puts your Allah and your Jesus at the same level. Do you want me to show you?
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by Westerhoffe(m): 8:10pm On May 02
AbuTwins:


He was a man approved of God with miracles and sent only to the lost sheep of Israel!


And then He said these:

John 20 (KJV)
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²⁰ And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
²¹ Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, EVEN SO SEND I YOU.

Matthew 28 (KJV)
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¹⁸ And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
¹⁹ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
²⁰ Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mark 16 (KJV)
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¹⁵ And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
¹⁶ He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 1 (KJV)
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⁷ And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
⁸ But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Any further questions?
Re: They Made Jesus God For Christians! by johnw47: 2:25am On May 03
Janosky:
NOBODY worships Jesus in heaven.

lost fraud jw janonsense

rev 5:3  And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the book or to look into it. 

no one was able to open the book

Rev 5:5  and one of the elders *said to me, "Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals." 

but Jesus was able to open the book

Rev 5:8  When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 

Rev 5:14  And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshipped (proskuneō).

the same greek word used for Father God and for Jesus is: proskuneō
but you false jw lie and say; for Father God it means; worship and for the Lord Jesus it just means; obeisance

Rev 19:4  And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped (proskuneō) God who sits on the throne saying, "Amen. Hallelujah!"

they fell down and worshipped Lord Jesus in heaven, and they fell down and worshipped Father God in heaven

of course real Christians worship the Lord Jesus Christ who died for them, and they worship His Father God.

Jesus is not just an angel/messenger of Father God; (angel/messenger, not angel/created angelic being), He is the Word of God from everlasting, He always existed in Father God until God bought Him forth to make all that is made.


God created nothing except through the Word of God, showing that the Word of God is not created:
Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

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