If people actually needed Jesus in order to be saved, it would be the most unfair and unjustifiable blackmail the world has ever witnessed from its Creator.

For starters, it would mean that slavery and colonialism were divinely ordained.

Because AFRICANS learned about ‘Jesus’ following the European colonial invasion and destruction of thriving African civilisations, including the destruction of over 100 African cities, a mere century ago.

Today, if you were born in a region or country that was invaded, destroyed, and colonised by Europeans, you would be a Christian.

If you were NOT born in a region or country that was invaded, destroyed, and colonised by Europeans, you would generally NOT be a Christian today, unless of course you were a European born in Europe.

So essentially what this means, ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS, is that you CANNOT BE SAVED unless you are a EUROPEAN, or you were conquered by EUROPEANS.

Or to put it more accurately, you have a 95% chance of GOING TO HELL if you are not a European or conquered by Europeans.

So if you are Chinese, Japanese, Arab, Indian etc, and you observe your traditional religion today due to the fact that your country was not colonised by Europeans, you are GOING TO HELL, and will not be ‘saved’.

So billions of Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Arabs, Pakistanis etc, who are Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, Hinduists, etc, are all going to hell for the ‘sin’ of not having been invaded and colonised by Europeans.

That’s the MAD, CRAZY LOGIC of Christianity, and is a clear sign that the claim that humans ‘need Jesus’ in order to be ‘saved’, is one of the biggest LIES and FALSIFICATIONS in human history.

You simply cannot expect that an Intelligent Creator would have devised such a flawed and unjust criterion for salvation.

Reflect7:
∆ If people actually needed Jesus in order to be saved, it would be the most unfair and unjustifiable blackmail the world has ever witnessed from its Creator.

Saved from what? Bad government? Poverty? What exactly do people need saving from?

One interesting fact is that before the introduction of jesus and the bible to africa, people were more god-fearing than now. Jesus has simply make them believe that you can steal, lie, cheat and do all sort of things and have no problem if only you accept that he is the son of God.

Templee333:
One interesting fact is that before the introduction of jesus and the bible to africa, people were more god-fearing than now. Jesus has simply make them believe that you can steal, lie, cheat and do all sort of things and have no problem if only you accept that he is the son of God.

You’re absolutely right.

Even in the village where tradition still applies, you hardly hear of somebody stealing or robbing.

You will see goats and chicken running around and nobody steals them to go and cook in their house.

There are even some villages where traders leave their wares outside on the same spot they are selling, after the day is done, and return to it the next day, knowing it will be untouched.

Usually stuff like firewood etc.

Kobojunkie:
Saved from what? Bad government? Poverty? What exactly do people need saving from?

‘Saved’ as in going to heaven, escaping the possibility of hell etc.

Or you have forgotten your own Christian doctrines, abi?

Reflect7:
∆ Saved’ as in going to heaven, escaping the possibility of hell etc.
Or you have forgotten your own Christ-ian doctrines, abi?

Jesus Christ said He is the only way into His Heaven and His Hell?

By the way, if you had in fact spent time reading up on what that "unintelligent" God of Israel you would have learned the following:
* Only Jesus Christ can give men Eternal Life and Jesus Christ is also the only way into the Kingdom of God.
* To qualify for Jesus Christ, you must born of the blood of Jacob - sheep
* Salvation, as offered by Jesus Christ, is for Israelites the people God directly cursed by way of His Judgement against the entire Nation of Israel(and Judah) which culminated over 1900 years ago.
* Both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are both housed inside of the Kingdom of God which belongs only to Jesus Christ.
* Non-israelites -- dogs -- have no reason to worry at all about Salvation, Heaven or Hell in the Kingdom of God since they can't have it even if they, for irrational reasons, came to desire

You need Jesus to be saved. That people abuse the saving grace and mercy of God does not mean grace is a license to sin. Shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? God forbid is the answer- Room 6:1. If you doubt the fact that salvation is only through Jesus, be patient we will soon cross over and all doubts will be cleared but then it will be too late.

godliman:
∆ You need Jesus to be saved. That people abuse the saving grace and mercy of God does not mean grace is a license to sin. Shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? God forbid is the answer- Room 6:1. If you doubt the fact that salvation is only through Jesus, be patient we will soon cross over and all doubts will be cleared but then it will be too late.

Only those who are of the blood of Jacob require saving by Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said He is the only way into His Heaven and His Hell?

By the way, if you had in fact spent time reading up on what that "unintelligent" God of Israel you would have learned the following:
* Only Jesus Christ can give men Eternal Life and Jesus Christ is also the only way into the Kingdom of God.
* To qualify for Jesus Christ, you must born of the blood of Jacob - sheep
* Salvation, as offered by Jesus Christ, is for Israelites the people God directly cursed by way of His Judgement against the entire Nation of Israel(and Judah) which culminated over 1900 years ago.
* Both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are both housed inside of the Kingdom of God which belongs only to Jesus Christ.
* Non-israelites -- dogs -- have no reason to worry at all about Salvation, Heaven or Hell in the Kingdom of God since they can't have it even if they, for irrational reasons, came to desire

Can you people see the fanatical lunacy that is Christian belief?

They are so massively brainwashed you can’t even have a rational debate with them.

I have absolutely no idea what this psycho is saying here, but the whole point I made about the massive injustice of the doctrine went right over her head.

godliman:
You need Jesus to be saved. That people abuse the saving grace and mercy of God does not mean grace is a license to sin. Shall we continue in sin that Grace may abound? God forbid is the answer- Room 6:1. If you doubt the fact that salvation is only through Jesus, be patient we will soon cross over and all doubts will be cleared but then it will be too late.

Shut up and use your brain, you blasted mor.on.

Does it even occur to you that you would know absolutely NOTHING about “Jesus” today if you’d been born in the middle of China or India, or Iran?

How does it make sense to you that your being ‘saved’ is dependent on where you were born?

Why would a fair God operate in that manner?

You have been given brains to reason with, yet your brains are just there for decoration.

Thoughtless, stupid things.

If Jesus was the ONLY route to salvation, WHY would God limit access to him to primarily Europeans and those conquered by Europeans?

Reflect7:
■Can you people see the fanatical lunacy that is Christian belief? They are so massively brainwashed you can’t even have a rational debate with them. I have absolutely no idea what this psycho is saying here, but the whole point I made about the massive injustice of the doctrine went right over her head.

I am afraid I am not a Christian, neither am I the one who has been brainwashed here nor am I the psycho in this case. Your complete ignorance of the facts as put forth by God— God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ — whom you pretend yourself more intelligent than is what I am simply trying to point out to you.

Reflect7:


‘Saved’ as in going to heaven, escaping the possibility of hell etc.

Or you have forgotten your own Christian doctrines, abi?

How can salvation (saved) be about going somewhere?

You no sabi wetin the word save mean?

nah English word nah

Reflect7:


Shut up and use your brain, you blasted mor.on.

Does it even occur to you that you would know absolutely NOTHING about “Jesus” today if you’d been born in the middle of China or India, or Iran?

How does it make sense to you that your being ‘saved’ is dependent on where you were born?

Why would a fair God operate in that manner?

You have been given brains to reason with, yet your brains are just there for decoration.

Thoughtless, stupid things.

If Jesus was the ONLY route to salvation, WHY would God limit access to him to primarily Europeans and those conquered by Europeans?

If being saved is dependent on where you were born, nobody in Nigeria will be saved. Jesus is not from Africa so how come Africans are saved.

Muhammad is not from Africa so how come he has followers too?

You are talking about China. There are many Christians in China. Do you know there are many Buddist in Nigeria?

When people bring this kind of argument, it's really funny. Was your forefathers Christians? No! Something made them one.

If you are not aware, there are white men that are practicing traditional religion of Nigerian descent in abroad.

How would they tow your line of argument?

Reflect7:
If people actually needed Jesus in order to be saved, it would be the most unfair and unjustifiable blackmail the world has ever witnessed from its Creator.

For starters, it would mean that slavery and colonialism were divinely ordained.

You people should reason well na!

Does common sense not tell you that God used the evil acts of evil people to bring something good to man as we have all persomally seen and experienced how God used a very bad situation to give us something very good out of it?

Try reasoning well.

Templee333:
One interesting fact is that before the introduction of jesus and the bible to africa, people were more god-fearing than now.

True! And very True!

Templee333:

Jesus has simply make them believe that you can steal, lie, cheat and do all sort of things and have no problem if only you accept that he is the son of God.

And this is where you lie and prove that you are not one of those who are God fearing because, Jesus clearly always warned "sin no more, keep The Commandments"

Kobojunkie:
Only those who are of the blood of Jacob require saving by Jesus Christ.

And satan has come to speak his lies to kill people.

Reflect7:
■ Shut up and use your brain, you blasted mor.on. Does it even occur to you that you would know absolutely NOTHING about “Jesus” today if you’d been born in the middle of China or India, or Iran?
How does it make sense to you that your being ‘saved’ is dependent on where you were born?
Why would a fair God operate in that manner? You have been given brains to reason with, yet your brains are just there for decoration. Thoughtless, stupid things.
■ If Jesus was the ONLY route to salvation, WHY would God limit access to him to primarily Europeans and those conquered by Europeans?

There is an Orthodox Christian community in Iran to this day. There are even stories of Jesus Christ in Tibet. There are religious movements in those places that are an older form of Christianity than what you have in Nigeria. If you are trying to use the spread of religion as your argument, then you are greatly ignorant of the facts of it.

2. I think you should limit to scope of your discussion to just religion and Christians. YOur ignorance of the facts pertaining to the God of Israel and His Son Jesus Christ makes you look no better than the religionists you pretend yourself able to attack,

Reflect7:


Shut up and use your brain, you blasted mor.on.

Does it even occur to you that you would know absolutely NOTHING about “Jesus” today if you’d been born in the middle of China or India, or Iran?

See how you are insalting someone all because he disagreed with you.

And our fathers who borned us into christianity were they born into christianity themselves?

Is it not that they were conviced?

Rightnow, are there not christians in those places you mentioned?

You are just being unreasonable and evil because you know that you are going to hellfire straightway. No forgiveness for you. Time to run for insalt cometh

Beautifulday:


If being saved is dependent on where you were born, nobody in Nigeria will be saved. Jesus is not from Africa so how come Africans are saved.

Muhammad is not from Africa so how come he has followers too?

You are talking about China. There are many Christians in China. Do you know there are many Buddist in Nigeria?

When people bring this kind of argument, it's really funny. Was your forefathers Christians? No! Something made them one.

If you are not aware, there are white men that are practicing traditional religion of Nigerian descent in abroad.

How would they tow your line of argument?

I tire o. Tell am

Reflect7:
If people actually needed Jesus in order to be saved, it would be the most unfair and unjustifiable blackmail the world has ever witnessed from its Creator.

For starters, it would mean that slavery and colonialism were divinely ordained.

Because AFRICANS learned about ‘Jesus’ following the European colonial invasion and destruction of thriving African civilisations, including the destruction of over 100 African cities, a mere century ago.

Today, if you were born in a region or country that was invaded, destroyed, and colonised by Europeans, you would be a Christian.

If you were NOT born in a region or country that was invaded, destroyed, and colonised by Europeans, you would generally NOT be a Christian today, unless of course you were a European born in Europe.

So essentially what this means, ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS, is that you CANNOT BE SAVED unless you are a EUROPEAN, or you were conquered by EUROPEANS.

Or to put it more accurately, you have a 95% chance of GOING TO HELL if you are not a European or conquered by Europeans.

So if you are Chinese, Japanese, Arab, Indian etc, and you observe your traditional religion today due to the fact that your country was not colonised by Europeans, you are GOING TO HELL, and will not be ‘saved’.

So billions of Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Arabs, Pakistanis etc, who are Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, Hinduists, etc, are all going to hell for the ‘sin’ of not having been invaded and colonised by Europeans.

That’s the MAD, CRAZY LOGIC of Christianity, and is a clear sign that the claim that humans ‘need Jesus’ in order to be ‘saved’, is one of the biggest LIES and FALSIFICATIONS in human history.

You simply cannot expect that an Intelligent Creator would have devised such a flawed and unjust criterion for salvation.

See how you reason like a chicken!

So according to your reasoning Jesus is bad simply because the person who brought Jesus to us is bad.

So therefore we should condemn a thing simply because the person that brought it is bad and not see it on it's own merit or force!

So therefore phones (which you are using right now), cars, fridge, a/c are all bad because it came from the colonialists, we should throw them away.

Throw your own away now!

Hiss!

When a fool opens his mouth, his foolishness is immediately discovered.

StillDtruth:


True! And very True!



And this is where you lie and prove that you are not one of those who are God fearing because, Jesus clearly always warned "sin no more, keep The Commandments"

Imagine o ,inspite of Jesus clearly teaching us to do away with sin, this one come dey talk this kain rubbish. Na wa o.

Reflect7:


Shut up and use your brain, you blasted mor.on.

Does it even occur to you that you would know absolutely NOTHING about “Jesus” today if you’d been born in the middle of China or India, or Iran?

How does it make sense to you that your being ‘saved’ is dependent on where you were born?

Why would a fair God operate in that manner?

You have been given brains to reason with, yet your brains are just there for decoration.

Thoughtless, stupid things.

If Jesus was the ONLY route to salvation, WHY would God limit access to him to primarily Europeans and those conquered by Europeans?

See as e pain devil wey dey reason like lizard yansh.

FayaBall:


Imagine o ,inspite of Jesus clearly teaching us to do away with sin, this one come dey talk this kain rubbish. Na wa o.

Na so devil must talk

Reflect7:

No wonder their prayers are answered, and they dominate the world. Behind the scenes they worship the real Jesus. They gave you the fake white one to worship. How long will you be their fools? This video shows TWO POPES kneeling down together in a small room behind the scenes to worship the BLACK Jesus and BLACK Mary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYvxzR5cv8?si=siW67X3HEHy_OOFm

Please i want to get something clear!

Are you saying people don't need Jesus or you think it's only when Jesus becomes a black man that he can save?

FayaBall:

See as e pain devil wey dey reason like lizard yansh.

This is what POLITICS does to people's brains, they becomes sceptical about everything around them and any idea that seems unfriendly to their selfish ambitions becomes evil.
If you check the profile of such a person you'll see that politics has entered into his bones so the greatest tool politicians uses to recruit gullible people to pick up weapons against their neighbours going to kill or getting killed is RACISM.

So for now this guy hates not only Jesus but also anyone who believes in Jesus the only thing hindering him now is the idea of freedom of worship otherwise if this one finds a group of killers who has been unleashed to kill believers in Christ he will gladly join them in order to terrorize Christians!

When Africans talk about slavery as an alibi to reject Christianity, what should the Isrealites say. They were also enslaved by Egyptians who were historically darker than the present Egyptians of today. Yet the Isrealites were saved through Moses and still moved on from pagan practices of Egyptians into a new regime of priesthood birthed by one MAN called Moses

. Africans should move on into the new dispensation of grace , power and the holy Ghost.

Everything about God and the evolution of life has been set by God..even the end time is fixed. God works with timeline set by him.
This era is the era of the kingdom of God..not of ur culture or your village gods...Jesus has rendered all idols useless already...there was a time they were all permitted by God until Christ came.......Still persisting in idolatry is willfully going against God and worshipping the devil.

Even Abraham had to jettison the culture and idol worshipping of his father/family.......before being grafted into the lineage and righteousness of God...
Is up to you to follow God or go back to Egypt and persist in their devil worhip...in the last day according to Malachi we shall know the difference between those who serve God or not

NiRfreak:

When Africans talk about slavery as an alibi to reject Christianity,

They are deceiving themselves!

Before the Europeans came to Africa our own people buys and sells their black brothers and sisters as slaves the white man only came to invest their money in what is profitable not that they started it!

MaxInDHouse:

They are deceiving themselves!

Before the Europeans came to Africa our own people buys and sells their black brothers and sisters as slaves the white man only came to invest their money in what is profitable not that they started it!

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I often marvel at how these twister of history will confuse and conflate the work of English Missionaries in Africa to the work of Europeans slave merchants.... Aren't these two people different with different agenda?.

No Christians enslaved Africans..I hope they would understand and stop sulking like a wounded kid. Africans were enslaved with connivance of their tribesmen by European traders or European capitalists, not European Missionaries,......This is plain to see...but no...they flaunt slavery like an identity they love to be defined by. Nonsense.

NiRfreak:

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I often marvel at how these twister of history will confuse and conflate the work of English Missionaries in Africa to the work of Europeans slave merchants.... Aren't these two people different with different agenda?.

No Christians enslaved Africans..I hope they would understand and stop sulking like a wounded kid. Africans were enslaved with connivance of their tribesmen by European traders or European capitalists, not European Missionaries,......This is plain to see...but no...they flaunt slavery like an identity they love to be defined by. Nonsense.

God bless you!

One thing twisters often does is going by the word "WHITE MAN" so let's dance to their tune but then we need to set matters straight. Even though both the missionaries and slave masters were white skinned we shouldn't forget that slave trade has been established among our own people before the WHITE MAN came to Africa so there is no sense in heaping the blame on the white man who only came to invest his money in whatever business is thriving here.
Another thing twisters failed to realize is that till today our own people are still treating us as slaves so unlike the ancient slave trade we now have the modern slave trade where our own black rulers makes home a hell for their own brothers and sisters so that the less privilege have to find their way back to the white man's country to SLAVE again!

MaxInDHouse:

This is what POLITICS does to people's brains, they becomes sceptical about everything around them and any idea that seems unfriendly to their selfish ambitions becomes evil.
If you check the profile of such a person you'll see that politics has entered into his bones so the greatest tool politicians uses to recruit gullible people to pick up weapons against their neighbours going to kill or getting killed is RACISM.

So for now this guy hates not only Jesus but also anyone who believes in Jesus the only thing hindering him now is the idea of freedom of worship otherwise if this one finds a group of killers who has been unleashed to kill believers in Christ he will gladly join them in order to terrorize Christians!

Politics has nothing to do with it. He is an evil frustrated hater of God, period.

FayaBall:

Politics has nothing to do with it. He is an evil frustrated hater of God, period.

Can a politician be a FRIEND of God?

Before you answer let's know what politicians stands for.

Definition of POLITICS!
A methodology and activities associated with running a government, an organization, or a movement. The profession of conducting political affairs.

Please can a friend of God be involved in such activity when he must condone all types of lifestyles as long as they're not disturbing his rulership? Galatians 5:19-21
Note that as a politician you don't have the right to set rules but agree with thousands of others whose beliefs, lifestyles, hobbies and thoughts totally differs from yours because you need their votes to be in office. 1John 2:15-17

So the question again:
Can a politician be a friend of God?

MaxInDHouse:

Can a politician be a FRIEND of God?

Before you answer let's know what politicians stands for.

Definition of POLITICS!
A methodology and activities associated with running a government, an organization, or a movement. The profession of conducting political affairs.

Please can a friend of God be involved in such activity when he must condone all types of lifestyles as long as they're not disturbing his rulership? Galatians 5:19-21
Note that as a politician you don't have the right to set rules but agree with thousands of others whose beliefs, lifestyles, hobbies and thoughts totally differs from yours because you need their votes to be in office. 1John 2:15-17

So the question again:
Can a politician be a friend of God?

That is not the issue!

The issue is not can a politician be the friend of God but that he the op is responsible for his own acts and shall answer for his acts and not politics answering or being responsible for op's acts.

So stop shifting the post to politics and diverting from the evil bastard. Shikena!