Goodenoch:


This is insightful and I agree fully. Just to point out that the conversations here as far as I have seen haven't really been a criticism of China in the sense of saying Nigeria or Africa shouldn't do business with them or shouldn't learn from them, but rather in the context of where one would rather live, based on their relative societies/laws.

It's not a criticism to say China is totalitarian. It's a matter of fact. There's a single party with decisions made centrally about all aspects of people's lives. Criticism is extremely frowned upon, to the point that if you were in China and you said the things you said about the West here about China's oppression of the Uyghurs; for instance, on Weibo, you'd very likely end up in jail if not worse. Despite all the negative things the West inflicted on Africa, I am sure that there's nowhere else in the World where an African today can migrate to and have as much opportunity to succeed academically, financially, career/business wise and even politically, as in the West.

There are a lot of problematic aspects of living in the West, but most people would rather live there than in China because of the societal and economic liberalism it affords. That's also not an opinion but a matter of fact - migration trends show that clearly that Western countries are the most desirable locations for people to relocate to globally.

The point is ultimately not that the West is perfect or that it shouldn't be criticised - I don't think anyone has ever said that here. It's that the criticism ought to be fair, and that when comparing it to other countries, it shouldn't be a case of comparing the worst of the West with the best of China or whoever else.

Gerrard59:


For societies to prosper and develop, there are certain factors involved:

- Right to free enterprise
- Protection of private property
- Democracy or a semblance of it
- Ethnic/religious/racial dominance.

The last part works perfectly well for China as it is disproportionately Han Chinese. So, the term "totalitarian" sounds misplaced as the system works for them. In my books, so far there is economic prosperity, whatever political system a country desires to have as preferred by the majority is acceptable.



I think we as black Africans even have a moral right to live in the West considering our histories. BTW, the West isn't doing us any favour as we are taxed for our labour and time. So, it is a mutual alliance. When the West is tired, they put up barriers as we have seen recently. [b]The belief that the West is generous with allowing us access to its territory simply for humanitarian purposes does not follow. I[/b]t is strictly economics, and we should acknowledge it. Nothing goes for nothing. We are dealing with people who propagated capitalism.

As for criticism of China, as a black African, I find it very odd. Why should people who have not built a functioning society criticise those who have done so? People who cannot ensure adequate distribution and stable electricity are advising those who build nuclear power facilities on how to generate electricity? It is like me advising Dangote on how to make and spend money. E no make sense to me. A Swiss criticises or lectures China? Fair deal. A Nigerian doing the same is appalling.

Lexusgs430:
An update on this scam I thought my daughter did not fall for........... 🤣😂


She actually fell for the scam, she transferred £2300.00 to the scammers, when they requested more money, was when she decided to seek counsel from her father.......

I received 2 letters from Santander (addressed to my daughter), I did not want to open them, but my wife insisted we did.........

The first letter referred to a £2300 claim (my heart stopped), my wife and I spent about 5 minutes screaming at ourselves (daughter is currently at university). After we finished screaming, I opened the second letter........

The 2nd letter stated funds have been successfully recovered from the scammers JP Morgan chase account...... We called my daughter, did the calm talking, screaming and investigating how she managed to fall for this scam etc etc etc.........

NB : Lesson from this scam - : I am withdrawing all big deposits from all my children's account (I no fit shout)........ 😜🤣😭😂

Datakey:


I have the iptv installed on my iPhone, so they must really chop my subscription money for VPN.. 🤣🤣

wallg123:

If totalitarianism is working for China and in turn helps in developing 3rd World countries, I’ll encourage it globally. After all the “freedoms/ liberalism” we enjoy in the west is subjective. One day you are free and the next day your freedom would be coned offensive to the establishment…

Goodenoch:


Thanks for sharing, Chief. My madam received a call from someone claiming to be from her bank on Thursday or so. She shut it down pretty quickly but it appears these scammers are trying it on more and more nowadays.

I'm going to send a message to people I know to beware. It's not common for funds to be recovered to congrats to your family.

Lexusgs430:



The only reason I hate apple products........ 🍏😂

Goodenoch:


Then encourage it globally. That's the beauty of freedom of speech. Only if you If you live in the UK or the West generally and other countries with similarly liberal societies sha. If you live in China and try to criticize the party or promote a multi-party democracy where people get to choose their representatives and actually have a say in policy, you'd very likely end up in jail or in a 're-education' camp.

More to the point, the key here is that it's irrelevant what you or I think because the migration figures are speaking Loud and clear that thousands of percentages more people want to move from China to the west than those who want to move from the west to China. There's no debate to be had on this point - the West is the most desirable location to migrate to. QED.

It appears to me that the idea of living under a totalitarianism is a lot more attractive when it's an abstract theory than when it's something you experience day in day out.

wallg123:

What’s your view or take on this ?

wallg123:

What’s your view or take on this ?

Datakey:


I swear.

It is annoying.

I might have to move the iptv account to my android tho.

Thanks

080bjaked:


You know the consent age in Denmark is 15 right?
So at 15, a Danish can do as he/she pleases and responsible for the actions.

Goodenoch:



How is this relevant to anything I've said?

wallg123:

Relevance is subjective. What’s relevant to me might not be relevant to you.

Goodenoch:


Ah, but you were asking me MY opinion.

Okay sha.

wallg123:
morally speaking is 15 years old is a child so how come you are encouraged by the state to do as you want without the condo your parents. Is this not wrong ?

080bjaked:


No, I believe this is very bad based on my personal values but brother, I'm not sure moralilty is a good ground to support China either, considering her history of forced child labour especially in the cotton and toy industries.

Honestly the west isn't doing well morally but China is worse. Difference is while one is over-pampering, the other is over-abusive.

Lexusgs430:



This COS been a total shambles...... Destroyed many people's hopes and expectations (caused by the greed of Nigerian's)....... Why are we made like this....... We step into something, until we destroy it, our eyes no dey ever clear.........

NB : I know other countries might have also abused the process, but we seem to be the baba of them all........ 😊

toughest007:


If you say it too loud, you'd be seen on here as anti-west, anti-nato, anti-US, and all the other related 'antis'.

The western custodians here would begin to question why and what you are doing here in the UK, grossly implying you shouldn't speak, reason and critic things objectively as a proper human should, just as you have nicely done!

I say it again and would say it a million times more, the western propaganda have really sunk real deep. It's a shame!

FR man most people are trap with western imperialist agenda. it takes alot for them to break free from the invisible shackles.

Our people are not ever ready to do the work. They feel overly comfortable with their present situations.

080bjaked:


No, I believe this is very bad based on my personal values but brother, I'm not sure moralilty is a good ground to support China either, considering her history of forced child labour especially in the cotton and toy industries.

Honestly the west isn't doing well morally but China is worse. Difference is while one is over-pampering, the other is over-abusive.

Lexusgs430:

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Select your poison with care....... 😜🤣

080bjaked:


No, I believe this is very bad based on my personal values but brother, I'm not sure moralilty is a good ground to support China either, considering her history of forced child labour especially in the cotton and toy industries.

Honestly the west isn't doing well morally but China is worse. Difference is while one is over-pampering, the other is over-abusive.

Treadway:
do you work for the BBC? I ask cos you effortlessly parrot these sensational lines

'history of forced child labour'

Yet you only say these due to rumors and not from availability of incontrovertible evidence. Have you been to China and seen these 'children' forced to work? Describe what that is like pls. Do they whip them? Do they starve them, do they work without pay? Give me something that shows you are not just typing beer parlour gist.

080bjaked:



If I drop links (btw same links a simple google search would have provided if you had bothered to look it up) , then we will start arguing about whether the articles are just "western propaganda". After we establish they are not, then you'd go the route that China is not the top 10 in Child labour countries so we'll have to argue (probably sprinkle some name-calling inside) that Chinese companies are linked to Child labour outside her borders using DRC Cobalt extraction indictment as proof and so on.

Instead of going that way Sir, lemme just say I am sorry, you are right, they are beer-palour discussion (the kind only Guiness and Heineken can induce). E ma binu.

080bjaked:



If I drop links (btw same links a simple google search would have provided if you had bothered to look it up) , then we will start arguing about whether the articles are just "western propaganda". After we establish they are not, then you'd go the route that China is not the top 10 in Child labour countries so we'll have to argue (probably sprinkle some name-calling inside) that Chinese companies are linked to Child labour outside her borders using DRC Cobalt extraction indictment as proof and so on.

Instead of going that way Sir, lemme just say I am sorry, you are right, they are beer-palour discussions (the kind only Guiness and Heineken can induce). E ma binu.

080bjaked:



If I drop links (btw same links a simple google search would have provided if you had bothered to look it up) , then we will start arguing about whether the articles are just "western propaganda". After we establish they are not, then you'd go the route that China is not the top 10 in Child labour countries so we'll have to argue (probably sprinkle some name-calling inside) that Chinese companies are linked to Child labour outside her borders using DRC Cobalt extraction indictment as proof and so on.

Instead of going that way Sir, lemme just say I am sorry, you are right, they are beer-palour discussions (the kind only Guiness and Heineken can induce). E ma binu.

080bjaked:



Quick updates, nha here we dey

kumbhuru:
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