₦airaland Forum

AbujaCitiBlog:
The leadership incompetence of Ndigbo started from Nnamdi Azikiwe and continued here. Both Zik and Ironsi were poor leaders who never knew how to lead. If they had gotten their acts right, we wouldn't be where we are today as Igbos.

garykoeman:
Ironsi already strip the regions of it power.

Gowon subsequently divided what was left of it.

Irony1:
Oga stop being half clever. The regions in name were called group of provinces which is the actual definition of regions and the unitary decree stated that the group of provinces will be under a provincial administrator. Oga we had this same topic years ago you kept on hammering on this even with proof that Ironsi didn't in the actual sense abolish regions. Guy don't you have deductive reasoning at all. Gowon carved up all the regions into states while Ironsi kept the structure intact, yet you keep saying Ironsi abolished regions. That was the same thing you did the previous time by lying that Ademoyega was deceived into the coup plot whereas the plot was conceived by both Ifeajuna and Ademoyega. Even Ademoyega admitted in his book.

PHIPEX:
Kano just reversed a 3 year policy that detroned Sanusi, why did your leaders not reverse a 2 months policy since 1966? Hypocrites, you want to eat you cake and have it.

DMerciful:
Thats administrative, he did not change the borders.

Gowon changed the borders from 4 to 12.

Its a simple thing unless you want to give a dog a bad name so you can hang it

wallrichy:
I can't but agree in totality with you. It's so sad that we the ordinary people would rather fight and abuse ourselves than come together regardless of tribes and initiate a way on how to deliver ourselves from these blood sucking vampires we call leaders. They thrive on our ignorance and disorderliness, they feed on our hatred and disdain for each other. We really need to wake up together in unity and deal badly with these devilish leaders and become emancipated at long last. Wouldn't be easy but whatever we would go through to achieve this feats is worth it. Thanks for your contributions and I really appreciate your decent and decisive manners of writing devoid of abuse, pride or whatever. Just as if we are having a brotherly conversation. Regards

Deadlytruth:
What you lots don't seem to understand is that regionalism is not just the existence of regions on paper but the extent to which they have power of autonomy. Ironsi is said to kill regional system not because he purportedly left the boundaries intact but because he stripped the regions of their autonomy and subjected them to the center.
Presently in Nigeria, we have six regions which are SS, SW, SE, NC, NW and NE; but that doesn't mean we are practicing regional system since these regions are powerless and taking orders from Abuja the center . That exactly was the situation under Ironsi. We had groups of provinces with same boundaries as the former regions but those groups of provinces were powerless and taking orders from the center and also reporting to the center. Is that how to practice regionalism? If that is how, then why are you Igbos not satisfied with the present system which is exactly like Ironsi's style which you claim was regionalism?

DMerciful:
Nigeria has no region! Nigeria has 36 states and the FCT.

All these SW, SE, NC nonsense are unconstitutional.

Ironsi did not remove resource control from the regions and even if he did, he was killed just 45 days after. Why did Gowon not reversed it instead break the regions to 12 states while Awolowo and Yorubas were clapping for him

Its on record that only Igbos resisted the breakup of the regions

Deadlytruth:
Why didn't Igbos resist Ironsi's breakup of the regions into groups of provinces?

You can't say we presently don't have regions. If we don't, then why are you Igbos always arguing that the SE Region is being oppressed by the other regions? Can non existent entities oppress another non existent entity?

Deadlytruth:
You are an idiot. You mean you can't simply explain what Ironsi meant by the expression 'former regions'?
You mean Philip Asiodu lied against Ojukwu when he said Ojukwu told him that he and Ironsi would abolish the regions in six months? You are seeing hards fact but hiding under deductive reasoning story. Very dishonest lots.
If Ironsi we're of any other tribe you would have agreed he destroyed the regions.

Deadlytruth:
You are an idiot. You mean you can't simply explain what Ironsi meant by the expression 'former regions'?
You mean Philip Asiodu lied against Ojukwu when he said Ojukwu told him that he and Ironsi would abolish the regions in six months? You are seeing hards fact but hiding under deductive reasoning story. Very dishonest lots.
If Ironsi we're of any other tribe you would have agreed he destroyed the regions.

Jagaban2012:
Oponu

DMerciful:
There is currently no region in the 1999 constitution!

Ironsi changed the name from regions to provinces or states but the boundaries were left intact. Its like renaming a town. If the next govt dont like it, they revert.

What Gowon did is dividing the town into wards and giving different people to control. That made it almost impossible to reverse.

You know the truth but arguing blindly

Deadlytruth:
Why didn't Igbos resist Ironsi's breakup of the regions into groups of provinces?

You can't say we presently don't have regions. If we don't, then why are you Igbos always arguing that the SE Region is being oppressed by the other regions? Can non existent entities oppress another non existent entity?

aariwa:
Aguiyi wasn’t smart, was only a brave soldier. Nzeogwu, Madiebo and Ojukwu were far smarter than him . The way he opened his mouth to that food for a man at his level in life then that doesn’t have any business eating or drinking outside tells me a lot about him

AnyanwuSilas:
This is why we must support Nnamdi Kanu for our freedom.

The world as we know it is coming to an end, we must move into the new age as freed people.

Deadlytruth:
Haven't you heard that the court has just stopped the Kano State Governor from reinstating SLS? That is how difficult it is to change a policy in democracy unlike in military rule where there is no regard for law or the courts.

Irony1:
Onukwu

dawnomike:
The picture says a lot about life

DMerciful:
This is a lame argument you people refused to recover from because you wanna push Igbo hate.

Firstly, he stayed in power for 5months and unify the civil service 45 days before he was assassinated. If Nigeria did not want that policy, who enforced it after he was killed? Why did the new government not repeal the decree?

Secondly, when Ironsi was killed, it was still 4 regions renamed as 4 states. Why did Gowon divide the 4 states to 12 states making it impossible to reverse?

gidgiddy:
You say that because you have never read decree 34 to know it was just a civil service decree

DMerciful:
There is currently no region in the 1999 constitution!

Ironsi changed the name from regions to provinces or states but the boundaries were left intact. Its like renaming a town. If the next govt dont like it, they revert.

What Gowon did is dividing the town into wards and giving different people to control. That made it almost impossible to reverse.

You know the truth but arguing blindly

T9ksy:
Finally, we are making progress albeit, at snail's pace.

So, you agree that decree 34 was just a civil service Order with the sole purpose of uniting the entire civil services in the country.

Jagaban2012:
I even thought i'm conversing with a human being ....



Agbero , go resume your work for garage ....

wirinet:
He unified the civil service and thus the whole country. That was why it was called the unification decree.

wirinet:
Why would he unify the civil service of a confederation if not to appropriate and control all of the resources to himself?

To dilute and divide the unity of the south east and at the same time further weakening the strength and size of the states all in preparation for war.

T9ksy:
Finally, we are making progress albeit, at snail's pace.

So, you agree that decree 34 was just a civil service Order with the sole purpose of uniting the entire civil services in the country.

gidgiddy:
The decree basically said that the civil service commission of each of the 4 Region's would be under a national commission. The point is that they have continued the age old lie that the decree its self abolished all 4 Region themselves and took away resource control, just to hide the fact that it was Gowon who did that with Decree 14 and 15

T9ksy:
Before Ironsi came, each region was semi-autonomous with the western region through its civil service implementing many policies to improve the lives of its region, I.e free education & free health care services.

So, can you tell me how for instance, the western region can continue with her goals and aspirations when its civil service has been placed under the National Commission?

Did the regions have the same powers and autonomy before the coming of Ironsi and after his decree 34?


When we say, ironsi killed regionalism, we don't mean, literally but rather, he relieved the regions of most of its powers which he subsequently, passed on to the centre, where he is in charge.

AbujaCitiBlog:
Nnamdi Kanu is not organized. He is a one man show. He is even worse. He went to the airport in Kenya alone because he was enticed with an offer of 5 million dollars by an anonymous donor. He never knew he was walking into a trap. If he had been organized , he would have had security but he wanted the money alone.

Nnamdi Kanu does not have what it takes.

AnyanwuSilas:
So who had what it takes?
Why didn't entice him with more money to come to any ECOWAS country so they can arrest him legally?
It's like Reno Omokri is using your brain.

MNK that have millions of followers is one man's show?

You don't know what's going on in the world.