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jaephoenix:
Good. Now I still told you there are universally accepted laws. Of which murder is one of them. I also said killings during wars are universally agreed to be legal. Even if I say war killings are good or bad, its my personal opinion.
What is confusing there?

Good for accepting your personal opinion.
Now do you think that what is legally good or bad is accepted by everyone to be good or bad?

Michael547:
Good for accepting your personal opinion.
Now do you think that what is legally good or bad is accepted by everyone to be good or bad?

At the beginning of this long-drawn and tiring discourse, I told you morals or relative. What may be morally good now or in Nigeria, may be bad in Afghanistan, or even in bad in the same Nigeria
But I can see u have a poor memory, or u just wanna be mischievous
I also told you the only universally accepted evil is murder, and a few others

jaephoenix:
At the beginning of this long-drawn and tiring discourse, I told you morals or relative. What may be morally good now or in Nigeria, may be bad in Afghanistan, or even in bad in the same Nigeria
But I can see u have a poor memory, or u just wanna be mischievous
I also told you the only universally accepted evil is murder, and a few others

How do you come to the conclusion that everyone on earth see murder as evil?

jaephoenix:
Oga, anyone following this thread would by now know how dishonest u r.
U believe Biden is the president of the US even though u r not an eye witness to that. U believe Michael Jackson is dead even though u r not an eye witness . But u don't believe JW can mole.st JW or non JW kids cos u r not an eye witness. Lol 😆
Talk about clever by half. Of course u cant deceive anyone by that

It's really amazing how low the level of your IQ.

Joe Biden and Michael Jackson both of them please if i disagree with anyone regarding what you said about them what has that got to do with my existence?

Ọmọ use your brain.
You and i are arguing about the most decent and peaceful organization in the world only for you to continue insisting they are child molesters which i totally disagree with because i know them and i have dealings with them here in my neighbourhood.

So mentioning Joe Biden or Michael Jackson is of no relevance here as i have no business with any of them!

MaxInDHouse:
It's really amazing how low the level of your IQ.

Joe Biden and Michael Jackson both of them please if i disagree with anyone regarding what you said about them what has that got to do with my existence?

Ọmọ use your brain.
You and i are arguing about the most decent and peaceful organization in the world only for you to continue insisting they are child molesters which i totally disagree with because i know them and i have dealings with them here in my neighbourhood.

So mentioning Joe Biden or Michael Jackson is of no relevance here as i have no business with any of them!

You have seen how Jaephoenix IQ works
That's his own logic

GOD KNEW EVERYTHING. HE PLANNED IT ALL.
LUCIFER BEFORE JESUS WAS AN EXAMPLE.

Aemmyjah:
You have seen how Jaephoenix IQ works
That's his own logic

He wants to use reasonableness to tackle faith unknowingly to him that true faith gave birth to reasonableness.
Joe Biden and Michael Jackson are people i only see on TV or read about them in papers or social media i had no one on one encounter with any of them unlike Jehovah's Witnesses who has been coming to my house since my early 20s today i'm in my late 50s so if i am arguing about what i know regarding the JWs surely i'm talking about what no one can use stories found on pages of books, TV shows or social media to convince me otherwise!

jaephoenix:
I'm an atheist but there can be good and bad christians too. Just like there can be good and bad atheists

Thanks for this point

Michael547:
How do you come to the conclusion that everyone on earth see murder as evil?

Can u tell me just one country where murder is legal? Just one? And please don't dodge this question

MaxInDHouse:
It's really amazing how low the level of your IQ.

Joe Biden and Michael Jackson both of them please if i disagree with anyone regarding what you said about them what has that got to do with my existence?

Ọmọ use your brain.
You and i are arguing about the most decent and peaceful organization in the world only for you to continue insisting they are child molesters which i totally disagree with because i know them and i have dealings with them here in my neighbourhood.

So mentioning Joe Biden or Michael Jackson is of no relevance here as i have no business with any of them!

Do u also know the JWs in the UK and US? Please don't dodge this question

Aemmyjah:
You have seen how Jaephoenix IQ works
That's his own logic

Of course u would back ur child mole.sting bro. Do u know your brethren in the UK or US?

Iamanoited:
GOD KNEW EVERYTHING. HE PLANNED IT ALL.
LUCIFER BEFORE JESUS WAS AN EXAMPLE.

So he planned it all, including planning for man to fail? Cool. Thanks for clearing my doubts about Yahweh. Now I know better

MaxInDHouse:
He wants to use reasonableness to tackle faith unknowingly to him that true faith gave birth to reasonableness.
Joe Biden and Michael Jackson are people i only see on TV or read about them in papers or social media i had no one on one encounter with any of them unlike Jehovah's Witnesses who has been coming to my house since my early 20s today i'm in my late 50s so if i am arguing about what i know regarding the JWs surely i'm talking about what no one can use stories found on pages of books, TV shows or social media to convince me otherwise!

What about the JWs that don't come to your house. Especially the ones living thousands of miles away in the US. Do you know them?

jaephoenix:
Can u tell me just one country where murder is legal? Just one? And please don't dodge this question

I never said there was a country where murder is legal...governments makes laws in every country. But not everyone agrees with governmental laws.
So my question is, how do you know that everyone sees murder as evil?

Michael547:
I never said there was a country where murder is legal...governments makes laws in every country. But not everyone agrees with governmental laws.
So my question is, how do you know that everyone sees murder as evil?

Not everyone agrees on that. So what's your point

jaephoenix:
Do u also know the JWs in the UK and US? Please don't dodge this question

Now you're ready to reason!
I don't know them in person.
So you can't quantify all members of the group as child molesters simply because of stories you read about some of them in UK and US, if 50% of members over there are into the act there's no way such won't be rampant here as well since they're the ones who brought it here.
Arabs brought Islam to Africa and other parts of the world and Arabs are intolerant that's why intolerance is their trademark everywhere the religion is allowed so if child molestation is the logo of JWs surely it should be rampant here as it's the people there that brought it here!

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're ready to reason!
I don't know them in person.
So you can't quantify all members of the group as child molesters simply because of stories you read about some of them in UK and US, if 50% of members over there are into the act there's no way such won't be rampant here as well since they're the ones who brought it here.
Arabs brought Islam to Africa and other parts of the world and Arabs are intolerant that's why intolerance is their trademark everywhere the religion is allowed so if child molestation is the logo of JWs surely it should be rampant here as it's the people there that brought it here!

I presume u did English language in school. But since the educational prerequisites for being a JW is illiteracy, I'll have to educate u
I never said all JW are molest.ers. Its not even possible. I said some of your members engage in those acts, and you jumped in and said they are all lies. Now u r backtracking and saying that since i claimed there are molester JWs in the US and since they brought JW into Nigeria then there should be molesters in Nigeria. Are you aware many child molestation cases are not even reported? I come across them in my line of work, and our police don't even help matters.
Also those stories are true. And for the last time, read them. The culprits actually confess to them. But your poor education wouldn't allow you to read that the part they confessed, instead u dismissed them as false cos they came from ex-JW. Also did this your mentally retarded brain ask u why they became ex-JWs in the first place? No
Idiota

jaephoenix:
Not everyone agrees on that. So what's your point

Fine....my point is, there is no universal standard of good and bad. What you see as good can be bad ro some people. No human has the right to determine for everyone what is good and bad. It's all about personal opinions.

jaephoenix:
I presume u did English language in school. But since the educational prerequisites for being a JW is illiteracy, I'll have to educate u
I never said all JW are molest.ers. Its not even possible. I said some of your members engage in those acts, and you jumped in and said they are all lies. Now u r backtracking and saying that since i claimed there are molester JWs in the US and since they brought JW into Nigeria then there should be molesters in Nigeria. Are you aware many child molestation cases are not even reported? I come across them in my line of work, and our police don't even help matters.
Also those stories are true. And for the last time, read them. The culprits actually confess to them. But your poor education wouldn't allow you to read that the part they confessed, instead u dismissed them as false cos they came from ex-JW. Also did this your mentally retarded brain ask u why they became ex-JWs in the first place? No
Idiota

Do you know any ORGANIZED people among whom there is no such thing?
I never said there is no such thing happening among JWs but your presentation was biased so i kept trashing it to see how far you can stand your own fallacy.
The truth is Jehovah's Witnesses organization is the most decent and peace loving group ever so when enemies of truth like you see any loophole you want to exaggerate it as if such a thing doesn't occur elsewhere.
The purpose of Christianity isn't about making imperfect individuals to become perfect in this system of things rather it is to gather faithful and obedient ones throughout the earth and start preparing them for the bright future when God will remove wickedness completely.
So out of all religious organizations ever formed on this planet only Jehovah's Witnesses are WORKING towards that goal but that doesn't mean you won't find people who are still struggling with their own individual traits among them. One thing God wants now is OBEDIENCE afterwards each person will start working on his or her own flaws to meet up with what lies ahead which is a perfect world.
But since you're a hopeless atheist you just want to discard it all by making it sound as if nothing can work that's why i too decided to play along so you can hug a transformer.
I told you such stories aren't true as they are exaggerating it otherwise such acts supposed to be rampant among them here too!

Michael547:
Fine....my point is, there is no universal standard of good and bad. What you see as good can be bad ro some people. No human has the right to determine for everyone what is good and bad. It's all about personal opinions.

Ok. Noted. So can you allow people to hold personal opinions which are harmful to others?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know any ORGANIZED people among whom there is no such thing?
I never said there is no such thing happening among JWs but your presentation was biased so i kept trashing it to see how far you can stand your own fallacy.
The truth is Jehovah's Witnesses organization is the most decent and peace loving group ever so when enemies of truth like you see any loophole you want to exaggerate it as if such a thing doesn't occur elsewhere.
The purpose of Christianity isn't about making imperfect individuals to become perfect in this system of things rather it is to gather faithful and obedient ones throughout the earth and start preparing them for the bright future when God will remove wickedness completely.
So out of all religious organizations ever formed on this planet only Jehovah's Witnesses are WORKING towards that goal but that doesn't mean you won't find people who are still struggling with their own individual traits among them. One thing God wants now is OBEDIENCE afterwards each person will start working on his or her own flaws to meet up with what lies ahead which is a perfect world.
But since you're a hopeless atheist you just want to discard it all by making it sound as if nothing can work that's why i too decided to play along so you can hug a transformer.
I told you such stories aren't true as they are exaggerating it otherwise such acts supposed to be rampant among them here too!

So how did u know JWs are the most peaceful, loving blah blah people on earth? Did you do the research?

jaephoenix:
So how did u know JWs are the most peaceful, loving blah blah people on earth? Did you do the research?

I have told you this several times but for the benefit of other followers i will repeat it again.

Peaceful doesn't mean restraining order not to fight rather it goes beyond that as members go to meet neighbours in their homes to teach them why this is the best thing to do! Matthew 28:19-20

jaephoenix:
Ok. Noted. So can you allow people to hold personal opinions which are harmful to others?

Whether an opinion is harmful to others or not does not change the fact that people have the right to decide for themselves what is good or bad. So they have every right to their opinion and I should respect that Even though I may not entertain their opinionated actions towards me.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you this several times but for the benefit of other followers i will repeat it again.

Peaceful doesn't mean restraining order not to fight rather it goes beyond that as members go to meet neighbours in their homes to teach them why this is the best thing to do! Matthew 28:19-20

So in your warped retarded mind, being peaceful includes disturbing the peace and quiet of neighbors?
Whoa! I love chatting with JWs. U guys show me the extent of human psychosis

Michael547:
Whether an opinion is harmful to others or not does not change the fact that people have the right to decide for themselves what is good or bad. So they have every right to their opinion and I should respect that Even though I may not entertain their opinionated actions towards me.

Are you aware that as much as that is fine it has its drawback and that is anarchy: if people are allowed to think murder, lying etc are fine, they can actually commit it and you Michael547 may be a victim of it.
So no, as long as freedom of speech and expression is fine, they need to be caged. Look at what is happening on social media today. Nairaland for example, you see religious folks threaten others with physical violence which is allowed by their religion. If they meet those folks, they can cause bodily harm.
DTruthSpeaker is a prime example. Probably that’s why he was banned

jaephoenix:
So in your warped retarded mind, being peaceful includes disturbing the peace and quiet of neighbors?
Whoa! I love chatting with JWs. U guys show me the extent of human psychosis

Who is retarded between someone who chose to pay uninvited visit to his neighbours so there could be interchange of ideas and someone who keeps his ideas all to himself only to resort to violence when there's a clash in opinion?

Ọmọ you can never ever be wiser than real disciples of Christ!

jaephoenix:
Are you aware that as much as that is fine it has its drawback and that is anarchy: if people are allowed to think murder, lying etc are fine, they can actually commit it and you Michael547 may be a victim of it.
So no, as long as freedom of speech and expression is fine, they need to be caged. Look at what is happening on social media today. Nairaland for example, you see religious folks threaten others with physical violence which is allowed by their religion. If they meet those folks, they can cause bodily harm.
DTruthSpeaker is a prime example. Probably that’s why he was banned

Again I ask you. Who has the right to determine for all humans on earth about the standard of what is good and what is bad? Let's start from there.

MaxInDHouse:
Who is retarded between someone who chose to pay uninvited visit to his neighbours so there could be interchange of ideas and someone who keeps his ideas all to himself only to resort to violence when there's a clash in opinion?

Ọmọ you can never ever be wiser than real disciples of Christ!

So what if the neighbor isn't interested in your stupid ideas?

Michael547:
Again I ask you. Who has the right to determine for all humans on earth about the standard of what is good and what is bad? Let's start from there.

The government

jaephoenix:
The government

So if you are saying that the people in the government has the right to determine for everyone on earth the standards of what is good and bad, it therefore means that whatever laws the government makes should be followed by all humans on earth without opposition. Yes or no sir?

Michael547:
So if you are saying that the people in the government has the right to determine for everyone on earth the standards of what is good and bad, it therefore means that whatever laws the government makes should be followed by all humans on earth without opposition. Yes or no sir?

Yes

jaephoenix:
Yes

So it therefore means that you do not agree with people all over the world who protests against governmental laws and policies. It also means that you agree that whatever laws and actions taken by people in government all over the world is always right.
Do you agree?