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MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 13:45-46

Matthew 19:21

Luke 16:9

You can go and show all your friends let them meditate thoroughly then come back to explain what Jesus meant in those verses!

MaxInDHouse:
The money wasn't given to the GROUP so he has the right to accept or reject just as you said you will do as an individual but if it's meant for a group of people ọmọ that's beyond you!

FxMasterz:
I shake my head for you.

You first thought Jesus never collected any money at all. By your thinking, that's why Jesus didn't collect from Zachaeus. Now that I showed you that Jesus actually collected funds, you turned it to say Judas Iscariot was the collector. But even in that scripture you quoted, you'll see that Judas was actually seeking Jesus' approval for the oil to be converted to money and distributed to the poor.

That shows you that no money entered that purse without Jesus' approval. He was a great administrator and wouldn't leave His financial decisions to a thief who would collect unrighteous monies at His back.

Man, would you actually be quoting all these scriptures if it was RCCG, Foursquare, Winners or Assemblies of God that collected such a bloody donation of shares? Can't you see your hypocrisy already?

Courz:
Gbam. Watchtower also has investments in Johnson & Johnson. Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer were one of the major manufacturers of the COVID Vaccine. Watchtower tried to force JWs to take it because they will make profits. JWS better pay attention in case another pandemic happens to see what Watchtower will ask them to do next. JWs are nothing but lab rats to these people.

FxMasterz:
Treasures in heaven is not the same as salvation of the soul. Okay? You can have treasures in heaven and lose them if you're not saved.

2 John 1:18

"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked so hard to achieve. Be diligent so that you receive your full reward."

Philippians 2:12
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

oteneaaron:
Following your logic of manipulating scriptures, can Watchtower be regarded as "poor"?

How can you call the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania "poor"?

Na wa oo

You are now lying against your "lord and master Jesus" - just to defend blood money?

Wawu

achorladey:
See bible verse explanation. I thought one religious organization said Bible is an organization book

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you this dubious nah?

Jesus never collected a dime from anyone it's the group that's given the material things just as God's organization is collecting gifts today as a group.
So it's not what any individual can determine whether it should be received or not meanwhile you can't find a single verse in the Bible where the group rejected any gift.
Perhaps there was no unrighteous riches back then in Israel! Luke 16:9

MaxInDHouse:
You just love arguing blindly!

Jesus said people can have treasures in heaven but you think such ones are not saved.

Must you continue deceiving yourself?

FxMasterz:
Can't you see how dubious you are already?

The group was collecting funds without Jesus' knowledge? Please answer me!

If the group never rejected any funds, whee did Peter learn how to reject some donations as he did in Acts 8:20:

"Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

FxMasterz:
We've quoted the scriptures that further explains what Jesus said. You deliberately cut out that part because you want to reject it.

Let me ask you this question. The person who sold shares to your cult now has treasures in heaven according to you, isn't it? According to you, he is now saved, isn't it? What happens if he becomes an apostate tomorrow even in spite of his treasures in heaven? Does he remain saved because of his treasures in Heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
Well you don't believe any of these things so it's a pity for you.

Here is what Jesus said:

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

For your information Jesus' brothers are the poor in spirit that's why Jesus said only those who cared for them will be allowed into God's kingdom! Matthew 25:34-40

Meanwhile they have been given the Kingdom {Luke 12:32} so if you fail to NEGOTIATE with them i'm sorry for you! Luke 16:9

oteneaaron:
Lol.

Where the money comes from doesn't matter.

It's all part of bribing their god to negotiate salvation.



Funny enough, when they try to prove that Christmas or Birthdays are bad, they say that these practices come from a "pagan" origin.

Remember the illustration of a candy found in the gutter - will you still pick it up and eat it though it is sweet but was found in the gutter?

What if you just wash off the dirt?

Would it still be clean to eat?

But when it come to money, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Please define HYPOCRISY.

MaxInDHouse:
Was the gift available before Pentecost?

So those giving them material things were buying gifts from them shey?

achorladey:
Fxmasterz nwokem bi kiaful.


Those treasures becomes so pe otilo

oteneaaron:
Another round of manipulations.

So it's no more "poor" but "poor in spirit"?

Ok

So if the Governing Body is only "poor in spirit" why do they still need BLOOD MONEY from the sale of weapons of war and tobacco cigarettes?

"To be poor in spirit means to acknowledge our deepest human need for God and to grow in that longing and that dependence on a daily basis."

FxMasterz:
Can't you see how dubious you are already?

The group was collecting funds without Jesus' knowledge? Please answer me!

If the group never rejected any funds, whee did Peter learn how to reject some donations as he did in Acts 8:20:

"Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

Courz:
Hahahahahahahaha. The usual analogy they like to use for others but not on themselves. I am mentioning all the American celebrities to show people that Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is heavily involved in the Movie and Music industry but pretends to JWs by telling them to avoid their music and movies. The middle name of Watchtower Is Hypocrisy.

Janosky:
@ Acts 8:20,The donor wanted something in return (miraculous powers) for the monetary gift to the apostles.

Did Henrietta Riley Trust make ANY requests from JW's prior to making donations ?

No nau !!!!

MaxInDHouse:
You always mix many things together!

They didn't sell it to the group rather they sold it to those who will give the proceeds to the group.

And as for those NEGOTIATING for their SALVATION it's Jesus that you should ask not me after all you saw what he said that people could actually NEGOTIATE their SALVATION!

Courz:
Hahahahahahahaha. The usual analogy they like to use for others but not on themselves. I am mentioning all the American celebrities to show people that Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is heavily involved in the Movie and Music industry but pretends to JWs by telling them to avoid their music and movies. The middle name of Watchtower Is Hypocrisy.

FxMasterz:
I have asked quoted a scripture that explained what Christ said. You rejected it. Christ already answered the question through the Holy Spirit in the verse.

2 John 1:8

"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked so hard to achieve. Be diligent so that you receive your full reward."

Philliipians 2:12

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Now, if salvation is the same as treasures in heaven according to you (Jesus never said in that verse that treasures in heaven = salvation), will the individuals who donated the unrighteous shares remain saved even if they become apostates tomorrow in spite of their treasures in heaven?

achorladey:
Person wey don hook.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's take things one after another remember NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION {Revelations 22:18-19} so if you can't find where the group rejected gifts during Jesus' time it simply means the gifts weren't meant to get something in return it's the laws they received from their God that they were following.
They must be kind to strangers that's why any Israelite who treated Jesus' disciples with contempt is on the danger list {Matthew 10:11-15} because such a person is not kind to strangers just as their forefather Abraham did!{Genesis 18:2-3} Jesus knew that real Israelites must provide for strangers visiting them {Matthew 10:9-10} but when it's time for team to cross the boarders of Israel Jesus ordered them to provide for themselves! Luke 22:35-36


So the gifts weren't given in exchange for any favour that's why they can't reject what their God commanded their own people.

But as for the other man he wasn't giving the group rather he wanted to bribe the two men perhaps they can reveale the secret behind that power to him!

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered you that the question is not for me but for Jesus who said people can NEGOTIATE their SALVATION nah!

FxMasterz:
Please where did Peter learn to reject some monies? Who taught him?

I stand by your words that the shares were donated in exchange for salvation. And that Christ and God disciples never rejected any monies.

Who taught Peter how to reject money the way ge did in Acts 8?

achorladey:
Oteneaaron we go outlaw you from nairaland while will you be tutoring a member of the better performing performance group on organisation book?

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 13:45-46

Matthew 19:21

Luke 16:9

You can go and show all your friends let them meditate thoroughly then come back to explain what Jesus meant in those verses!

FxMasterz:
Your organization is well known for such manipulations. I'm not surprised.

Jesus was talking about restitution. Restitution isn't the same as salvation. It just an action done to right a wrong. In Mathew 19:21 which you quoted, Jesus clearly said sell what you have, distribute to the poor (not to JW or to an organization), THEN COME FOLLOW ME. That means the restitution itself is not a guarantee for salvation until you follow Jesus to the end.

Keep deceiving yourself. At the end of the days, you would be very sorry for yourself. Keep manipulating scriptures to support heresies!

FxMasterz:
Your organization is well known for such manipulations. I'm not surprised.

Jesus was talking about restitution. Restitution isn't the same as salvation. It just an action done to right a wrong. In Mathew 19:21 which you quoted, Jesus clearly said sell what you have, distribute to the poor (not to JW or to an organization), THEN COME FOLLOW ME. That means the restitution itself is not a guarantee for salvation until you follow Jesus to the end.

Keep deceiving yourself. At the end of the days, you would be very sorry for yourself. Keep manipulating scriptures to support heresies!

achorladey:
You begin to wonder why they made it mandatory for their elders before attending the school for elders

achorladey:
Bible verse that he will twist inside one minute