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GreatAchiever1:
To be honest with you, you're just a slave to the system that you yourself don't have your own standard of morality to live by based on what is humanly logical and right. Because the western law declares attraction to a minor as statutory rape but is cool with homosexuality, it now makes you give a dividing line amongst those vices.
They are on the same wavelength, it's not hurting anyone to feel any power, it is who I love and attracted to and you can't be prejudiced against that. And if you can't see the problem with those two vices in comparison, then your case is strong.

PS: I'm not sexually attracted to minors but even if I were, I know it's not the right thing to do and I would seek help immediately not to people who would make fun of me and judge me but would sympathize with me and help me to come off it. This is what the LGBTQ+ folks should be doing and not celebrating nonsense in the name of pride month, embracing diversity and other nonsense they say concerning it.

If I'm a slave to the system of western, then I guess we both are then, I'm not the one citing a religion that was used to justify slavery by the west as a hook to be prejudiced
The bolded just proved how deep western imperialist values have eaten us up. In that logic, then we deserve the leaders we have because it doesn't hurt us when they feel powerful.

Also, I'd rather take the findings of those in the field of sexuality and gender studies because I know they've done the work, they have years of research that started with their ignorance smeared by religious ignorance than those who have such prejudice birth by religion and not science

Please tell me the help that we can get to "cure us from such sexual perversion" because it was ignorant religious bigots like you that literally sent me into years of conversion therapy, deliverance and self harm, please tell me, I'm listening

sparko1:
The fact that you think it's the same as RAPE is shocking.

I have made a clear distinction already, if you are in a relationship with someone that can't give consent it's RAPE, even a gay man chasing young boys that are not adults and can't give consent is rape.

You believe that every instance of underage sex is RAPE or not consensual; but, in certain instances, consent may exist; however, you would argue that the consenting party are too young to be permitted. However, what would you say about parents who allow their children to alter their sex before they reach puberty or who use hormone blockers to do so? Why did they approve of such behaviour? Why did they alter their sexual orientation before reaching the legal age of consent?

All these may not be the same thing as homosexuality but it's under the same umbrella. You can't just reject one and accept the other because you feel you don't like it or it doesn't pertain to you so it's wrong. They are all wrong and shouldn't be acceptable in a society. It's either you accept all or you reject all. You don't pick and choose.

Flamemignon1:
If I'm a slave to the system of western, then I guess we both are then, I'm not the one citing a religion that was used to justify slavery by the west as a hook to be prejudiced
The bolded just proved how deep western imperialist values have eaten us up. In that logic, then we deserve the leaders we have because it doesn't hurt us when they feel powerful.

Also, I'd rather take the findings of those in the field of sexuality and gender studies because I know they've done the work, they have years of research that started with their ignorance smeared by religious ignorance than those who have such prejudice birth by religion and not science

Please tell me the help that we can get to "cure us from such sexual perversion" because it was ignorant religious bigots like you that literally sent me into years of conversion therapy, deliverance and self harm, please tell me, I'm listening

You think slavery was completely abolished, no it wasn't; it simply just changed form. I believe you might have heard of modern slavery. The cruel slavery where you beat up slaves and harm them, it was a Christian that abolish that and even so the bible does not condone such.

I see now that you are really 'woke' and have come to terms to hate 'religion' because you know for a fact that these acts are not acceptable so instead you run to a place where you think they love and accept you but instead they lie to you and deceive, they tell you what you want to hear and cover it as 'studies' or 'science' and you are quick to believe their lies.

You need a savior, you are simply suffering from a depravity that is present in all of us that occured since after the fall, yours is not any different neither is it special. This is a sinful behavior that you shouldn't embrace but rather reject. This sinful nature is what Christ died for on the cross so as to atone for our sins; God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us so as we come to Christ in faith, God puts our sin on Christ to atone for and puts Christ righteousness in us. it doesn't end there, your heart will change from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh; this happens because all that you love you begin to hate and all that you hate you begin to love and as you become right with god, you begin to love Him and dine in His word and people.

so yes, if I'm to be a slave, let me be a slave for Christ than a slave to a system that is filled with lies and deceit.

GreatAchiever1:

You believe that every instance of underage sex is RAPE or not consensual; but, in certain instances, consent may exist;

however, you would argue that the consenting party are too young to be permitted. However, what would you say about parents who allow their children to alter their sex before they reach puberty or who use hormone blockers to do so? Why did they approve of such behaviour? Why did they alter their sexual orientation before reaching the legal age of consent?

All these may not be the same thing as homosexuality but it's under the same umbrella. You can't just reject one and accept the other because you feel you don't like it or it doesn't pertain to you so it's wrong. They are all wrong and shouldn't be acceptable in a society. It's either you accept all or you reject all. You don't pick and choose.

There's no type of consent from a child, a child can't give consent plain and simple.

It's despicable for you to compare medical consent and sexual consent, I have no reason to argue this, I leave you to your devices.

sparko1:
There's no type of consent from a child, a child can't give consent plain and simple.

It's despicable for you to compare medical consent and sexual consent, I have no reason to argue this, I leave you to your devices.

So there is now separation of the word consent being used to justify something nonsensical. Please tell me what other type of consent is there? sleeping consent, eating consent, dancing consent...

It's you I feel sorry for, I'm not the one advocating for nonsense.

GreatAchiever1:
You think slavery was completely abolished, no it wasn't; it simply just changed form. I believe you might have heard of modern slavery. The cruel slavery where you beat up slaves and harm them, it was a Christian that abolish that and even so the bible does not condone such.

I see now that you are really 'woke' and have come to terms to hate 'religion' because you know for a fact that these acts are not acceptable so instead you run to a place where you think they love and accept you but instead they lie to you and deceive, they tell you what you want to hear and cover it as 'studies' or 'science' and you are quick to believe their lies.

You need a savior, you are simply suffering from a depravity that is present in all of us that occured since after the fall, yours is not any different neither is it special. This is a sinful behavior that you shouldn't embrace but rather reject. This sinful nature is what Christ died for on the cross so as to atone for our sins; God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us so as we come to Christ in faith, God puts our sin on Christ to atone for and puts Christ righteousness in us. it doesn't end there, your heart will change from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh; this happens because all that you love you begin to hate and all that you hate you begin to love and as you become right with god, you begin to love Him and dine in His word and people.

so yes, if I'm to be a slave, let me be a slave for Christ than a slave to a system that is filled with lies and deceit.

Duh!!!! That's why I literally said we are both slaves to the system and still, chattel slavery was still justified by the bible for years

seriously, when y'all use woke in context of progressive ideas, it reduces it. You as an African existing or your culture displayed on the outskirts of the continent is considered "woke", I guess wanting to be free is woke now to you then your entire existence as a black person is woke but go off continuing living under the shackles of white supremacy

Also, are you using religion to dispute the studies of science? Lol, c'mon, I thought you were smart

Ok, go ahead and be a slave for Christ or better still answer Massa's call

Flamemignon1:
Duh!!!! That's why I literally said we are both slaves to the system and still, chattel slavery was still justified by the bible for years

seriously, when y'all use woke in context of progressive ideas, it reduces it. You as an African existing or your culture displayed on the outskirts of the continent is considered "woke", I guess wanting to be free is woke now to you then your entire existence as a black person is woke but go off continuing living under the shackles of white supremacy

Also, are you using religion to dispute the studies of science? Lol, c'mon, I thought you were smart

Ok, go ahead and be a slave for Christ or better still answer Massa's call

Yes, the Bible does accept slavery, but not all forms of it. For instance, it does not support the idea of having a sex slave or treating a slave cruelly enough to murder them, as the owner will ultimately suffer the consequences.

If my understanding is right, being woke is being more liberated and progressive. However, the last I looked, everything "anti-woke" in our culture or a society was typically seen as conservative rather than woke. I would like to know if you are in bondage because you stated that you wanted to be free. Does being free entail accepting sin freely and deeming evil to be good? Does that truly represent what freedom means to you?

Are you genuinely calling gender studies science? That's a major of what kind? As far as I can tell, that course didn't exist prior to the mid- to late-20th century. That's not science; if you're interested in actual science, take courses in engineering, architecture, economics, technology, medicine, etc. They actually are science. Gender studies, like women studies, is a progressive course that only addresses liberal ideologies and does not advance humanity morally. For this reason, it is not something you will see someone studying when reading biographies of historical figures.

GreatAchiever1:
Yes, the Bible does accept slavery, but not all forms of it. For instance, it does not support the idea of having a sex slave or treating a slave cruelly enough to murder them, as the owner will ultimately suffer the consequences.

If my understanding is right, being woke is being more liberated and progressive. However, the last I looked, everything "anti-woke" in our culture or a society was typically seen as conservative rather than woke. I would like to know if you are in bondage because you stated that you wanted to be free. Does being free entail accepting sin freely and deeming evil to be good? Does that truly represent what freedom means to you?

Are you genuinely calling gender studies science? That's a major of what kind? As far as I can tell, that course didn't exist prior to the mid- to late-20th century. That's not science; if you're interested in actual science, take courses in engineering, architecture, economics, technology, medicine, etc. They actually are science. Gender studies, like women studies, is a progressive course that only addresses liberal ideologies and does not advance humanity morally. For this reason, it is not something you will see someone studying when reading biographies of historical figures.

I'm talking about the people who used the bible as a means to be prejudiced against folks they don't understand, from the knights that justified it for the crusades where they forced folks to convert to Christianity to the enforcers of chattel slavery

Glad you know what woke means

Incase if you don't know, science evolves unlike religion and it's only the Abrahamaic religions that wants everything to be black and white and do you even what science is? You do realize that social science is also a thing right? Like sexual and gender behaviors even in animals right?

Flamemignon1:
I'm talking about the people who used the bible as a means to be prejudiced against folks they don't understand, from the knights that justified it for the crusades where they forced folks to convert to Christianity to the enforcers of chattel slavery

Glad you know what woke means

Incase if you don't know, science evolves unlike religion and it's only the Abrahamaic religions that wants everything to be black and white and do you even what science is? You do realize that social science is also a thing right? Like sexual and gender behaviors even in animals right?

I don't know a much about the Knight Templar, but from what I've heard, they belonged to a covert cult that was not Christian at all but used Christianity as a front. Even if we accept that they were sincere Christians, it wouldn't alter the fact that, as Bible-believing Christians, we are to live according to the example of Christ rather than by the standards of other believers. And we study and read the scriptures to achieve that.



Why is Christianity in need of change? The problem is that the world wants to adapt and embrace things that God forbids because they say they are "evolve and evolving", even though God has already revealed Himself to us through His word. Yes, I am aware of what the social sciences are, and this further supports what I'm arguing. Courses in those fields (not all of them, and they are not bad; but one needs to be aware) tend to teach progressive ideas that run counter to the Bible, besides what we just mentioned, there are additions such as Darwinism and evolution in Archaeology, which maintains that the earth is billions of years old and that humans descended from apes amongst others. We progress to a point where we deviate greatly from truth and reality.

I'm tired of this merry-go-round. So, this will be my last take on this matter

JessicaRabbit:
The example with gum is a false equivalence. Human identity and expression aren't so neatly compartmentalized. What constitutes human identity is a combination of various threads of sexuality, gender, creativity, culture, and experience. Unlike neatly labeled folders on a computer desktop, these aspects of our humanity don't exist in isolation. They intersect, influence, and inform one another in beautiful and complex ways.

Once again, sexual desire is biological. A castrated man will retain all other aspects of his identity. Is a castrated gay man still gay? I think not.

When I mentioned LGBTQ+ individuals and families, I wasn't trying to convince you of their existence (though, I'm happy to provide you with a crash course in reality if needed). I was merely highlighting the fact that the human experience is rich in complexity and multifaceted in nature. There's no desperation needed to point out simple truths.

Now you're sounding like a broken record. Once again, you can have a rich human experience sans sexual desire. There are asexual individuals. Would you say they experience a "less rich" human experience than other people?

You're only just projecting here. Sexual attraction is absolutely a component for many LGBTQ+ folks. I've never denied that, and that's the difference between you and me. Where I acknowledge that there are many factors at play, you continue to assert that there's only one involved, and then you shut your eyes, stick your fingers in your ear like a bitter toddler, and think repeating yourself over and over will make the truth go away. If you had any self-awareness at all, you'd easily see the double standards you've set here. Is heterosexuality just about being attracted to the opposite sex?

Like I said, yes. For homosexuality and heterosexual relationships, sexual desire is the driving factor.

Isn't it also about the desire for emotional connection, building a life with someone, sharing dreams and vulnerabilities? Sexuality, for everyone, is a complex layer of emotional threads, social connections, and a yearning for intimacy.

All of these can be detached from the desire for sex. Do asexual individuals yearn for these same things or not? If your answer is yes, what does that tell you?

Refusing to acknowledge this only demonstrates that you lack any shred of intellectual integrity and/or honesty in this discussion. For LGBTQ+ people in particular, navigating that layer can be even more challenging. Coming to terms with your identity, facing societal pressures, and finding a community that accepts you -- these are all part of the experience, not to mention the courage it takes to live authentically in the face of prejudice. That is something to be admired, not dismissed.

Okay. You are a social justice warrior. That's cool.

A mudslide wiping out a village isn't a herring at all, red or otherwise. It's a brutal reminder that nature's a force far grander than our puny attempts to impose meaning on it. We can study ecosystems, sure, but claiming perfect understanding is like trying to tame a hurricane with a fly swatter. Mutations happen, sometimes good, sometimes bad, and sometimes just plain weird. There's no grand plan, no cosmic CEO dictating which creature gets the gold star.

Cosmic CEO? Let me get straight. You are trying to explain that your last comment was not a red herring by introducing another red herring? Alright.😁

Don't be silly. Our universe's existence is not contingent upon our approval or understanding. It simply is. So your conflation of scientific inquiry with existential justification is a perfect example of a category error. The universe doesn't owe us an explanation for its existence; we're just fortunate enough to be a part of it, trying to make sense of our place within it. The onus is on us to understand, not on the universe to justify.

That's what you got from that? I meant we are looking for justifications (reasons, explanations) for the phenomena we observe. I didn't mean that the universe had to justify itself to us. How would it even accomplish that?

As I've pointed out ad nauseum, evolution is a blind process, devoid of purpose or direction. It's a meandering path shaped by chance, adaptation, and environmental pressures. And guess what? Human sexuality, in all its diverse and complex forms, is a natural outcome of that process. To imply that heterosexuality is the "direction" evolution intended is nothing short of intellectual hubris. The beauty of evolution lies in its ability to create complexity, diversity, and yes, even purposelessness.

Again, evolution is not purposeless in the sense that you speak of. It seeks to pass on beneficial traits.

I don't know if you think human empathy is a political performance. There's a world of difference between understanding the "naturalness" of an impulse and using that as a weapon to deny people their humanity. Let's be frank, straight folks don't exactly have their procreation instincts surgically removed when they commit to a life partnership, do they? We accept the spectrum of human experience, the biological and social factors that weave together to make us who we are. Your point about love, commitment, and family being different across sexual orientations is a blatant red herring. The bedrock of these isn't some preordained biological script. It's about building a life with someone you love and cherish, about raising healthy and happy children. These desires transcend the mechanics of reproduction, and frankly, LGBTQ+ couples have a long and storied history of building beautiful, fulfilling families. [quote]@bold, are joking?
How do you explain people who only want to have sex without commitment in the light of what you've just written?



[quote]Recall that the question was about reducing human desires and attractions to a single "biological process". You're the one who asked for examples of intangible desires, and I gave you a plethora of possibilities -- emotions, experiences, shared values -- all of which are very real, yet can't be held in one's hand. Now, you say no one has denied their reality, but your initial stance implied that these complexities could be simplified, even dismissed, in favor of a more... let's say, "concrete" explanation. So, I'm not shadow boxing, just simply highlighting the limitations of your perspective. The beauty of human connection lies in its messiness, its unpredictability, its refusal to be reduced to a single, tangible (or should I say, observable?) explanation.

And she says the same thing again and again. My tired is tired 😩.
Again I ask. Do asexual people experience the who spectrum of human experience in your opinion?

No one asked for your opinion. And I'm not going to modify my tone to cater to your feelz. It would do you good if you devoted less energy to wounded pride and stick to trying to construct an actual argument.

Very well.
If combining words like a mentally ill person in a bid to come off as more intelligent than you actually are is your modus operandi, by all means, continue.
Wounded pride? Pfft

I'm appalled that you believe, for some odd reason, that you can slip this dishonest move past me, and I won't notice. This is a shameless backtracking from your original position. You've obviously retreated from your initial assertion that homosexual relationships do NOT exist without sex, and now you're attempting to rebrand your bigotry as a nuanced perspective.

No one is backtracking. Homosexual relationships do not exist without sexual behavior. Period. It's on you to show otherwise. You haven't.

I'm guessing you've truly got a case of sheer cluelessness, or perhaps you just enjoy playing dumb. This "no gay gene" rhetoric you keep submitting is a classic example of misunderstanding the complexity of human sexuality. Sexual orientation is not determined by a single gene, but by a multifaceted interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors, which the scientific community has extensively documented. The APA's position is based on a comprehensive review of decades-long research, including studies on twin cohorts, brain structure, and hormone levels, all pointing to the same conclusion: sexual orientation is not a choice, but a natural part of human diversity. So, when you're done chasing fishes in the sky, please provide your empirical evidence to counter this consensus. Don't rely on outdated notions of a single "gay gene"; instead, engage with the wealth of scientific research that's been done. The burden of proof is on you to disprove the overwhelming evidence, not on me to defend it.

Overwhelming evidence? Overwhelming?

But that's precisely the point -- these rat populations are merely surviving, not truly living. Human flourishing is not just about mere existence or propagation, but about experiencing life in all its richness and depth. Given your antecedents, I'm guessing you'd probably prefer it if we settled for a mere rat-like existence, devoid of meaningful connections and personal growth.

What you call human flourishing is not possible without propagation. I'm tired of repeating myself.

Dopamine doesn't dictate morality or what's natural. Humans are complex creatures driven by a multitude of factors, both biological and social. Art and music also trigger dopamine release. Are you going to tell me those aren't fundamental aspects of the human experience?

Part of the human experience, yes. Fundamental, no.

People aren't disorders to be diagnosed, they're human beings to be respected. Stop masking your ignorant judgments with a veneer of medical jargon.

Stop masking your inability to answer the question with false empathy. Is a pica diagnosis dehumanizing?

Again, it's pointless to imbue a natural process with a sense of purpose or conscious intent. Evolution may tend towards complexity and adaptation, but that doesn't imply a grand design or inherent value judgment.



By all means, take your time.



I know. It must be exhausting being so utterly out of your depth in this discussion. Meanwhile, I'll grab a snack while you try again. Seventh time's the charm? 😁

Shadow boxing as usual. No one has implied a grand design. However, the universe is not as random as you've tried to make it out to be throughout this discussion. However, that's a topic for another thread.

Diversity is not a one-dimensional concept. A diverse talent pool in all its forms -- racial, ethnic, sexual orientation -- brings a wider range of perspectives to the table. Scientific breakthroughs often come from challenging existing paradigms, seeing the world from a different angle, and LGBTQ+ people inherently understand that. They've had to navigate a world that wasn't built for them, and that often leads to unique perspectives and lots of innovation. This isn't about some abstract ideal of "sexual diversity". It's all about building a society that works for everyone, where everyone has the chance to contribute their talents and reach their full potential. That's the kind of society that thrives, not just some narrow, exclusionary definition of what it means to be a productive member. Economics aside, don't you want to live in a society where everyone has the freedom to be themselves? To contribute their full potential, not just a part dictated by some arbitrary social norm? Inclusion isn't charity, you know.

Another disingenuous thing you've done throughout this thread is to use diversity and sexual desire like they're synonyms. Dealing with that kind of dishonesty is tiring really. The rest of the comment is just woke speaking. Sorry, had to use "woke" again.😁

Imaginary enemy indeed. The initial statement you made, rooted in the idea that the majority's discomfort with homosexuality justifies discrimination, is the very definition of advocacy for discrimination. You keep throwing up smokes and mirrors to desperately deflect from the absolute poverty of your position. Don't try to hide behind a veil of semantics. Surely, you knew that your words WILL have consequences. Yes, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was indeed adopted by a vote, but one that represented a global consensus on the fundamental principles of human dignity, not a popularity contest. The Declaration sets a universal standard, not a subjective opinion poll. Now, please justify why the rights of a marginalized group should be subject to the whims of the majority. I'm still waiting for you to answer the question: how do you propose we reconcile your discriminatory beliefs with the principles of equality and human rights?

You should work on your tendency to stray off topic. This thread is not about marginalization or discrimination.

The ease with which you dismiss the struggles of marginalized communities is a testament to your privilege. Your refusal to acknowledge the harm caused by your words is not a sign of intellectual superiority, but rather a display of emotional immaturity. If you really wish to engage in any meaningful discussion, I would suggest you delve deeper into the complexities of human experience and the impact of your words on real people's lives. Otherwise, your comments remain mere platitudes, devoid of empathy and substance.

You can't resist the urge to be a social justice crusader, can you?

Sorry, but I don't do strawmen. I simply highlight the glaring lack of substance in your rejoinders and watch you flail about trying to understand your own ignorance. Claiming I always introduce strawmen is just a pathetic lie you've manufactured to make yourself feel better about the fact that you're empty as far as this discussion is concerned. And now that you're being confronted with the emptiness of your own arguments, you're resorting to declarations of exhaustion, a clever tactic to avoid the discomfort of being exposed. You may do as you wish, but just know that I'll be here to rip apart any more nonsense you post on this topic. I already told you before that we can keep going for as long as you wish.

We're going round in circles. Is that not exhausting for you? You have refused to confront the meat of the matter. Instead, you insist on tying homosexuality to things like creativity and emotional connection.

Tunnel vision at its finest. You're correct that the article talks about the biological underpinnings of love, about the chemicals that makes our hearts race and palms sweat. But it also talked about how these hormones are triggered by social interaction. There's also the whole concept of attachment and bonding. Notice how these aren't purely physical responses, but involve building trust, intimacy, and shared experiences. It's the difference between ogling a stranger and feeling a deep connection with someone you care about. You should probably read your own article, one more time.

Trust, intimacy, and shared experiences may enrich the process but are not absolutely required. If they were, things like transactional sex, hookup, and one-night stands would not be so commonplace.

GreatAchiever1:
I don't know a much about the Knight Templar, but from what I've heard, they belonged to a covert cult that was not Christian at all but used Christianity as a front. Even if we accept that they were sincere Christians, it wouldn't alter the fact that, as Bible-believing Christians, we are to live according to the example of Christ rather than by the standards of other believers. And we study and read the scriptures to achieve that.



Why is Christianity in need of change? The problem is that the world wants to adapt and embrace things that God forbids because they say they are "evolve and evolving", even though God has already revealed Himself to us through His word. Yes, I am aware of what the social sciences are, and this further supports what I'm arguing. Courses in those fields (not all of them, and they are not bad; but one needs to be aware) tend to teach progressive ideas that run counter to the Bible, besides what we just mentioned, there are additions such as Darwinism and evolution in Archaeology, which maintains that the earth is billions of years old and that humans descended from apes amongst others. We progress to a point where we deviate greatly from truth and reality.

Wasn't talking about the Knight's templar and also Christianity doesn't get a PR makeover trying to redo the hurt they caused all through history because you are out here rebranding it as if it's a religion without stains, Christians like you have all the features of a judge and this even pushes others away even if they want to give the Faith a trial so well done

The world literally doesn't revolve around Christianity so stop trying to mold the world with your religious beliefs

Also there are evidences to support evolution, archeology and even Christianity but go off

Flamemignon1:
Wasn't talking about the Knight's templar and also Christianity doesn't get a PR makeover trying to redo the hurt they caused all through history

The world literally doesn't revolve around Christianity so stop trying to mold the world with your religious beliefs

Also there are evidences to support evolution, archeology and even Christianity but go off

That's a false claim about Christianity, they never brought about any hurt but rather good news, peace and hope through the gospel of Christ. I hope you do realise it was Christianity that brought education to the western world.

When you try to justify evil vices, better get ready because a Christian has to speak against that. We can't sit back and watch the likes of you corrupt the world through such vile practices.

One word I can tell you about evolution: LIES.

Flamemignon1:
Wasn't talking about the Knight's templar and also Christianity doesn't get a PR makeover trying to redo the hurt they caused all through history because you are out here rebranding it as if it's a religion without stains, Christians like you have all the features of a judge and this even pushes others away even if they want to give the Faith a trial so well done

Well, the Bible says Christian ought to Judge with righteous judgements. Christians like me tell you the truth; so you want me to lie to you and tell you that it doesn't matter, God looks at what is inside your heart. No! When I know the heart is wicked and deceitful and no one is righteous before God. The world has far deceived you, I don't have to make it worse else what will be the difference between them and I. I just pray that God will touch your heart and you repent from this sinister practice.

advanceDNA:
unhealthy?? obsession?? This oñe just wants to speak Grammar without making any point.

Lol ....guy don't take Internet too serious...u will just have PTSD.

.. I guess my words struck a gay nerve, so it's okay that you want to hit me back.... Wateva amount of vawulence makes both of us sleep well at night is totally fine with me

your obsession towards gay...will actually lead to your doom....I wonder what two male adults decide to do with their private part is any of your buz...advanced mugu you are a psycho with no definite purpose....maybe you should give it a try by gay hunting them and see if you would live to see the light of day

NSK4U:
Improve/correct the myopia by giving me reasons to support same sex attractions when it's not biologically possible to procreate from the same reproductive cells. Where did the gene of attraction for same sex originate in the reproductive cells??

Don't just reply like a market woman, involve logic and reasoning into your argument

slowpoke..we are talking about attraction and love..you are talking about procreation... anuofia

Gromilla010:
your obsession towards gay...will actually lead to your doom....I wonder what two male adults decide to do with their private part is any of your buz...advanced mugu you are a psycho with no definite purpose....maybe you should give it a try by gay hunting them and see if you would live to see the light of day

Yawn....

....so u know sex is supposed to be private in the first place..?? U gay folks should take ur own advice....

advanceDNA:
Yawn....

....so u know sex is supposed to be private in the first place..?? U gay folks should take ur own advice....

you should start first by advising your fellow heterosexual folks to take their sexual excapades in private and not in public spaces..LOL

Gromilla010:
you should start first by advising your fellow heterosexual folks to take their sexual excapades in private and not in public spaces..LOL

Male and female sex is the original nature's design....that's why a new life is one of its product...thats why all males animals in the wild are not taught b4 they identify and mate their female kind for life to continue

U see ...Man fvcking his fellow man and any other shiit u and ur LGBT crew are desperately trying to justify is simply humans with no carnal control , fulfilling every crazy, impulsive desire that jump into ur mind

First y'all started with men fvcking men, then u called urself bisexual, then graduated to pan sexual...as in...and u guys think u are normal.

GreatAchiever1:
That's a false claim about Christianity, they never brought about any hurt but rather good news, peace and hope through the gospel of Christ. I hope you do realise it was Christianity that brought education to the western world.

When you try to justify evil vices, better get ready because a Christian has to speak against that. We can't sit back and watch the likes of you corrupt the world through such vile practices.

One word I can tell you about evolution: LIES.

Yea....... because forcing people to accept your realizing while demonizing theirs and seeing them as less human for it is peace to you? Had no idea the definition of the term has changed over the years

GreatAchiever1:
Well, the Bible says Christian ought to Judge with righteous judgements. Christians like me tell you the truth; so you want me to lie to you and tell you that it doesn't matter, God looks at what is inside your heart. No! When I know the heart is wicked and deceitful and no one is righteous before God. The world has far deceived you, I don't have to make it worse else what will be the difference between them and I. I just pray that God will touch your heart and you repent from this sinister practice.

And I choose not to believe in it because I have that right not to

sparko1:
Can you give me more than just religious analysis, this is not about religious believes, this is about the biology of human evolution, the research though from many sources have basis in reality so what counter prove do you have?

HellVictorinho6 fron nairaland say his gay is robotic....he become gay at 5 years old after playing wit robot toys. He was caught playin wit gay robot toy sir
U dont bilif..ask hi. What a shame!!((no oofencsece))

Flamemignon1:
Yea....... because forcing people to accept your realizing while demonizing theirs and seeing them as less human for it is peace to you? Had no idea the definition of the term has changed over the years

Christians (can't speak for all) don't see any homosexual or anyone living in habitual sin less than a human, because we are all the same and there is no one righteous before God, and there will be condemnation to all men except those who are in Christ Jesus. For the fact true Christians have saving faith in Christ, doesn't make them special nor superior than anyone else because this Grace to come to faith in Christ is not by our own free will but is by the gift, grace and mercy of God. I'm speaking (writing) this to you as someone made in the image of God about this evil you guys do that you're celebrating, it's an abomination before God and except you repent and come to faith in Christ, you will continue in this way and in the end will be judged before God, and you won't like what you see but by then it will be to late. I'm not saying this because I'm better or smarter than you, No. I'm just like a beggar telling a fellow beggar where to get food.

MrCork:
HellVictorinho6 fron nairaland say his gay is robotic....he become gay at 5 years old after playing wit robot toys. He was caught playin wit gay robot toy sir
U dont bilif..ask hi. What a shame!!((no oofencsece))

How stupid can anyone be to be converted by a toy, besides WHAT IS A GAY TOY?

What more his parents should have bought toys that has vagina for him so he would be straight?

GreatAchiever1:
Christians (can't speak for all) don't see any homosexual or anyone living in habitual sin less than a human, because we are all the same and there is no one righteous before God, and there will be condemnation to all men except those who are in Christ Jesus. For the fact true Christians have saving faith in Christ, doesn't make them special nor superior than anyone else because this Grace to come to faith in Christ is not by our own free will but is by the gift, grace and mercy of God. I'm speaking (writing) this to you as someone made in the image of God about this evil you guys do that you're celebrating, it's an abomination before God and except you repent and come to faith in Christ, you will continue in this way and in the end will be judged before God, and you won't like what you see but by then it will be to late. I'm not saying this because I'm better or smarter than you, No. I'm just like a beggar telling a fellow beggar where to get food.

Waste of time

GreatAchiever1:
Christians (can't speak for all) don't see any homosexual or anyone living in habitual sin less than a human, because we are all the same and there is no one righteous before God, and there will be condemnation to all men except those who are in Christ Jesus. For the fact true Christians have saving faith in Christ, doesn't make them special nor superior than anyone else because this Grace to come to faith in Christ is not by our own free will but is by the gift, grace and mercy of God. I'm speaking (writing) this to you as someone made in the image of God about this evil you guys do that you're celebrating, it's an abomination before God and except you repent and come to faith in Christ, you will continue in this way and in the end will be judged before God, and you won't like what you see but by then it will be to late. I'm not saying this because I'm better or smarter than you, No. I'm just like a beggar telling a fellow beggar where to get food.

There are different questions you can't possibly answer:

Firstly, God created everyone, straight, gay, Trans all in his own image.
So you are directly calling God an abomination.

Two, If God created everyone in his own image, a sin will be doing something you have a choice over.

Finally, You have to be crazy to expect someone to do what he is not programmed to do, a programmer can't be angry at a program non expect the program to act against it's programming.

sparko1:
How stupid can anyone be to be converted by a toy, besides WHAT IS A GAY TOY?

What more his parents should have bought toys that has vagina for him so he would be straight?

Faggggots are now using gay robotic toys to change people to gay. HellVictorinho6, Ashawopikin & few other nairalanders are now gay. This is a national disgrace & they should be embarrass. Gay men are weak women & we all need to take them OUT!!!!(((no oofencsece)))

GreatAchiever1:
Christians (can't speak for all) don't see any homosexual or anyone living in habitual sin less than a human, because we are all the same and there is no one righteous before God, and there will be condemnation to all men except those who are in Christ Jesus. For the fact true Christians have saving faith in Christ, doesn't make them special nor superior than anyone else because this Grace to come to faith in Christ is not by our own free will but is by the gift, grace and mercy of God. I'm speaking (writing) this to you as someone made in the image of God about this evil you guys do that you're celebrating, it's an abomination before God and except you repent and come to faith in Christ, you will continue in this way and in the end will be judged before God, and you won't like what you see but by then it will be to late. I'm not saying this because I'm better or smarter than you, No. I'm just like a beggar telling a fellow beggar where to get food.

I don't believe in your God but ok

sparko1:
There are different questions you can't possibly answer:

Firstly, God created everyone, straight, gay, Trans all in his own image.
So you are directly calling God an abomination.

Two, If God created everyone in his own image, a sin will be doing something you have a choice over.

Finally, You have to be crazy to expect someone to do what he is not programmed to do, a programmer can't be angry at a program non expect the program to act against it's programming.

To answer your first question, yes God made mankind in his own image, yes and that includes those you mentioned but that doesn't made God an abomination. You see, why you even have those vile qualities to start with is because of the fall caused by our federal head which was Adam in the garden of Eden.
And just because you now have a sinful heart doesn't negate the image of God in you.

The second question, yes, sin is something you have a choice over, which is why one of the fruits of the spirit given to us to aid our santictfication is self-control. And besides you hate that which God hates which is none other than sin.

I don't get your last sentence but the programmer can do what he wants with his program however what pleases him in programming it.

GreatAchiever1:
To answer your first question, yes God made mankind in his own image, yes and that includes those you mentioned but that doesn't made God an abomination. You see, why you even have those vile qualities to start with is because of the fall caused by our federal head which was Adam in the garden of Eden.
And just because you now have a sinful heart doesn't negate the image of God in you.

The second question, yes, sin is something you have a choice over, which is why one of the fruits of the spirit given to us to aid our santictfication is self-control. And besides you hate that which God hates which is none other than sin.

I don't get your last sentence but the programmer can do what he wants with his program however what pleases him in programming it.

Your first mistake is, it's not just the heart, God made the whole consciousness and the body and the heart, the desires and everything in it.

What was added to us after the fall in the garden is debatable, nobody really knows what changed except for the fact that they could now differentiate between good and evil.

This is not about sin, the desire to be with a man/ woman came with the human body and consciousness, what you do with the desire could be SIN, but the desire itself is not sin.

Finally, the last statement is simple, you/anyone can't blame the program (man) for acting according to it's programming(desire).

sparko1:
Your first mistake is, it's not just the heart, God made the whole consciousness and the body and the heart, the desires and everything in it.

What was added to us after the fall in the garden is debatable, nobody really knows what changed except for the fact that they could now differentiate between good and evil.

This is not about sin, the desire to be with a man/ woman came with the human body and consciousness, what you do with the desire could be SIN, but the desire itself is not sin.

Finally, the last statement is simple, you/anyone can't blame the program (man) for acting according to it's programming(desire).

In response to your first paragraph, they all became corrupted after the fall.

In your second paragraph, Well a whole lot changed, men sweat to till the ground, pain in child birth, women desiring to usurp husband authority, evil and sinful desires, separation from God etc.

Agreed in the third.

It depends on what the program is doing, you can't blame God for man acting out in sinful ways, the program is already corrupted by sin.
If a developer develops an application, suddenly that app gets affected by virus somehow and starts to misbehave contrary to how it was programmed, would you blame the programmer? The developer then has to step in to intervene or wipe it out completely.

ThothHermes:
I'm tired of this merry-go-round. So, this will be my last take on this matter

By "last take", do you mean you've finally figured out something relevant to say, or are you just taking your ball and going home? Well, since you've decided to tap out anyway, I'll make this final response a rush job, as I have more important things to do as well. However, I may return if I see something interesting to talk about.

Once again, sexual desire is biological. A castrated man will retain all other aspects of his identity. Is a castrated gay man still gay? I think not.

This is a particularly stupid rebuttal, even by your pathetic standards. Castration may eliminate physical sexual function, but it doesn't erase a person's emotional, romantic, and psychological attractions.

Now you're sounding like a broken record. Once again, you can have a rich human experience sans sexual desire. There are asexual individuals. Would you say they experience a "less rich" human experience than other people?

Asexual individuals are actually a perfect example of the complexity I'm talking about. Their experiences are not less rich, just different, and that's the point. You really do lack self-awareness.

Like I said, yes. For homosexuality and heterosexual relationships, sexual desire is the driving factor.

Why do straight couples hold hands in public then? Is that purely sexual too?

All of these can be detached from the desire for sex. Do asexual individuals yearn for these same things or not? If your answer is yes, what does that tell you?

Once again, you're proving my point. Love, companionship, shared dreams -- they all exist independent of sexual attraction. You’re welcome.

Okay. You are a social justice warrior. That's cool.

Do you find that term edgy because it originated in alt-right circles, or ironic because it implies fighting for justice is a bad thing? Perhaps you just struggle with the concept of empathy entirely. In any case, I'd rather be a warrior for a just society than a keyboard crusader for the status quo.

Cosmic CEO? Let me get straight. You are trying to explain that your last comment was not a red herring by introducing another red herring? Alright.😁

You want a binary world, good versus evil, creator versus created. I'm offering reality: messy, magnificent, and utterly indifferent to your infantile fantasies. Next question?

That's what you got from that? I meant we are looking for justifications (reasons, explanations) for the phenomena we observe. I didn't mean that the universe had to justify itself to us. How would it even accomplish that?

Glad we're on the same page here then.

Again, evolution is not purposeless in the sense that you speak of. It seeks to pass on beneficial traits.

You keep anthropomorphizing evolution, attributing human-like intentions and goals to a natural process. Evolution doesn't seek anything; it simply acts on the variation present in a population, favoring traits that confer advantage. Purpose is a human construct, not a driving force behind evolution.

How do you explain people who only want to have sex without commitment in the light of what you've just written?

Easy. Same way we explain straight folks who have one-night stands -- we call it adult recreation. Doesn't negate the desire for lasting love and family for others, does it?

And she says the same thing again and again. My tired is tired 😩.

Sorry to hear about that. May I suggest conserving your energy for comprehending the points I'm actually making?

Again I ask. Do asexual people experience the who spectrum of human experience in your opinion?

Asked and answered.

Very well.
If combining words like a mentally ill person in a bid to come off as more intelligent than you actually are is your modus operandi, by all means, continue.
Wounded pride? Pfft

So insecure, you can't even help it. I'm assuming you're still upset because your cute efforts to exert the little cognitive energy you have in rational discourse have so far been as fickle as a balloon in a hurricane?

No one is backtracking. Homosexual relationships do not exist without sexual behavior. Period. It's on you to show otherwise. You haven't.

Define sexual behavior please? Holding hands? Sharing a meal? Raising a child together? By your narrow definition, even friendships shouldn't exist.

Overwhelming evidence? Overwhelming?

Yes, overwhelming. Like, enough-to-bury-your-ridiculous-nonsense-in-a-collapsed-tunnel-of-flawed-logic overwhelming.

What you call human flourishing is not possible without propagation. I'm tired of repeating myself.

We're not hamsters on a wheel, my friend. You should focus on flourishing yourself, before attempting to define flourishing for others.

Part of the human experience, yes. Fundamental, no.

We literally built civilizations around storytelling and music. Sounds pretty darn fundamental to me, unless you prefer grunting in caves. Your definition of "fundamental" could use a reality check.

Stop masking your inability to answer the question with false empathy. Is a pica diagnosis dehumanizing?

Pica harms your health. Being gay harms... your toxic and outdated worldview?

Shadow boxing as usual. No one has implied a grand design. However, the universe is not as random as you've tried to make it out to be throughout this discussion. However, that's a topic for another thread.

Then I'm sure you can tell me what cosmic rulebook dictates what is natural in our messy, contingent universe?

Another disingenuous thing you've done throughout this thread is to use diversity and sexual desire like they're synonyms. Dealing with that kind of dishonesty is tiring really. The rest of the comment is just woke speaking. Sorry, had to use "woke" again.😁

Well, here's what I really find synonymous: your bigotry and an inability to grasp basic concepts.

You should work on your tendency to stray off topic. This thread is not about marginalization or discrimination.

Don't try to redefine the terms of the debate to avoid accountability. You made a claim, I called you out on it. Simple as that. It's either you address the argument or concede the point. Given your most recent submission, I'll assume it's the latter.

You can't resist the urge to be a social justice crusader, can you?

Actually, I can resist many things. Like this painfully unoriginal attempt to shut down genuine concerns with a tired right-wing buzzword.

We're going round in circles. Is that not exhausting for you? You have refused to confront the meat of the matter. Instead, you insist on tying homosexuality to things like creativity and emotional connection.

You started this tap dance, not me. And here's the "meat" for your feeble mind: I demolish bad arguments, not redefine basic human connection to appease your insecurities.

Trust, intimacy, and shared experiences may enrich the process but are not absolutely required. If they were, things like transactional sex, hookup, and one-night stands would not be so commonplace.

For what it's worth, your desperate reduction of love to mere physical gratification has only been a bleak reflection of your own values, not an argument. Think about that.

GreatAchiever1:
In response to your first paragraph, they all became corrupted after the fall.

In your second paragraph, Well a whole lot changed, men sweat to till the ground, pain in child birth, women desiring to usurp husband authority, evil and sinful desires, separation from God etc.

Agreed in the third.

It depends on what the program is doing, you can't blame God for man acting out in sinful ways, the program is already corrupted by sin.
If a developer develops an application, suddenly that app gets affected by virus somehow and starts to misbehave contrary to how it was programmed, would you blame the programmer? The developer then has to step in to intervene or wipe it out completely.

Firstly paragraph
In other words God original plan doesn't include procreation or sexual desire, my question is, how did you know this? Because the bible never stated this, this is purely your subjective view.

Second paragraph
Those changes have nothing to do with the original design, there's a very good reason why God made two humans, there exists the desire to protect and provide already in Adam, hence even in the garden he had to go to work, the difference after is, it became hardly, this is besides the point, no biology changes was exhibited.

This is not a blame game, it's purely an understanding of what the program contains.

Virus doesn't exist in vacuum, viruses aim to corrupt what already exist, the core function is to make it DO! the power, the ability to DO! Already exist.

Satan aim to influence human to DO! commit adultery, fornication, but the desire is already there, if the desire is absent there nothing satan can do about it.

The core of this discussion is not what human does with the desire, it's that the desire is inbuilt, as simple as that.