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ehizario2012:
Wow, riots right here at Manvers, Holiday Inn, almost all its window glasses broken already. It is well.

Zahra29:
It was a Holiday Inn housing asylum seekers which I'm sure Ehizario is not.

The fire was in a rubbish bin in front of the hotel, not the actual ground floor of the hotel.
That's bad enough, but let's not add to it by spreading misinformation

missjekyll:
You can clearly see that they have piled 2 skips onto one another and set fire to both against the side of the building. Clearly trying to burn down the building .

Keep going ,Zahra. I m looking forward to seeing exactly what you stand for.

I note that you have also conflated the 2011 riots and BLM protests. Tell me how many times blm protestors dragged out and beat up uber drivers, tried to burn hotels with people in them and assaulted people of a different skin colour as just happened in Manchester? Did they also hurl bricks at the police while shrieking the p word?

missjekyll:
You can clearly see that they have piled 2 skips onto one another and set fire to both against the side of the building. Clearly trying to burn down the building .

Keep going ,Zahra. I m looking forward to seeing exactly what you stand for.

I note that you have also conflated the 2011 riots and BLM protests. Tell me how many times blm protestors dragged out and beat up uber drivers, tried to burn hotels with people in them and assaulted people of a different skin colour as just happened in Manchester? Did they also hurl bricks at the police while shrieking the p word?

These rioters have done all this and more but you are babying them and blaming it on anger,inequality and whatever you're blaming it on this month.

Remember that "far" definition? You are skating very close to that line[/b]

Zahra29:
The cities where the more violent protests are being staged e.g. Rotherham, Sunderland etc exposes the deep anger and tensions that have been brewing over many years fuelled by deprivation, rising crime, inequality and a feeling of abandonment by the government. Similar reasons for previous riots, and these issues will need to be addressed by the government sooner or later.

Goodenoch:
Whether it's due to underlying grievances or not is an academic question from my perspective as someone worrying about my wife heading to work and back tomorrow, solely because I know that as a visibly African woman, she could be the target of violence without any attempt by the thugs to verify her immigration status (legal), role (highly qualified skilled worker), religion (Christian), contributions to the country (very high), 'benefits' taken (zero) and all the other things that they're saying are the cause of their rioting.

Zahra29:
The usual suspects are all acting and speaking as expected depending on which side they support.

With the 2011 and BLM protests/riots (and going back further to the Brixton riots and the like), left and "far left" supporters excused the protests and violence, instead pointing the focus on the endemic societal and institutional issues and injustice that led to the outpouring of anger. Meanwhile right and "far right" actors and media were hopping mad, especially as the protesters/rioters/looters were mostly black or of ethnic origin.

Flip over to the 2024 riots and the right and "far right" are sympathetic to the underlying grievances of the protesters/rioters/looters while others are aghast.

Goodenoch:
Oh for sure - that's correct but it's whataboutism and not relevant to my point in this specific context.
hat Thanksgiving looks like.

The person who murdered those children is not even muslim, yet, the thugs on the streets have been targeting mosques.

Whether it's due to underlying grievances or not is an academic question from my perspective as someone worrying about my wife heading to work and back tomorrow, solely because I know that as a visibly African woman, she could be the target of violence without any attempt by the thugs to verify her immigration status (legal), role (highly qualified skilled worker), religion (Christian), contributions to the country (very high), 'benefits' taken (zero) and all the other things that they're saying are the cause of their rioting.

Hope you understand now.

Viruses:
Perish this thought, it won't make you way richer because the employer contribution will not be paid to you and your own contribution will be taxed before you get it.

Is there anything you want to do now that you are not able to do because of the pension money that is not entering your account monthly?

Zahra29:
Yes I do.

Hopefully the riots will calm down in the next couple of days. Brits typically don't have the rioting stamina of the French or the Bangladeshi.

Farage hasn't actually commented on the riots as far as I'm aware. Tice on the other hand has been vocal on Twitter highlighting that there has been violence on both sides of the riots. Legally I don't think there's going to be much to stick on them because they haven't actually called on people to go out and fight and destroy property. People will be held accountable for their own actions. It's like blaming Labour or Corbyn for fomenting the 2011 riots in which several people actually died.

What is more concerning is the damage done to police trust, cohesion and community relations. The cities where the more violent protests are being staged e.g. Rotherham, Sunderland etc exposes the deep anger and tensions that have been brewing over many years fuelled by deprivation, rising crime, inequality and a feeling of abandonment by the government. Similar reasons for previous riots, and these issues will need to be addressed by the government sooner or later.

justwise:
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We hear this everytime protest like this is going on, its the same excuse, this protest is about race, each time a dark skin committed a crime these racist thugs used it as an excuse to attack immigrants, they assumed that Axel Rudakubana is illegal muslim immigrant, they attack mosques and hotels housing asylum seekers.

They are all happy to call Yamal Spanish special player, nobody worried about the fact that he is a son of immigrants, watch the Olympics and count the number of black athletes bagging in medals for different countries outside Africa.

These shameless lazy bone benefit scroungers blame immigrants for their own miserable condition

Zahra29:
And when black people (many on benefits) rioted, looted, vandalised and some killed in 2011, who/what was the cause of their "miserable condition"?

When the Romas (many on benefits) rioted and looted and attacked the police last month, who/what was the cause of their "miserable condition"?

Yes, race is absolutely a factor but the common denominator in all these violent protests is class/poverty/inequality.
Someone said that it's a fight between Poor white Vs Poor Brown instead of against the elite ruling class. You don't see the same riots and protests happening in middle class or affluent areas do you?

This is what the Home Secretary said today about the riots:

Lots of people have concerns and views about crime, about the NHS, about immigration, but they don’t pick up bricks and throw them at the police, they don’t try and set light to a hotel where people are known to be inside it, they don’t loot shops as a result," Cooper tells the BBC.

She adds that she supports peaceful protesters who want to raise their views - but says that's a "world away from the kind of "violence and thuggery" currently taking place.


Beyond the thuggery and violence, there is a silent majority - many at home not protesting, who are angry about the issues the Home Sec called out - NHS, immigration, rising crime, winter fuel payments being stripped from pensioners while millions are spent each day on asylum hotels etc. People who do not support the violence but agree with the underlying frustration of the protesters.

Just like in 2011, the issues are not magically going to go away by putting some people in jail (for 6 months🙄). These riots will be quelled but the government will have to address the root causes at some point, otherwise it's just a matter of time before something flares up again.

justwise:
Yes call them even worst names if they engaged in violent protest, people protest for diffrerence reasons, this particular one is about race and started by racist white thugs.

You said: You don't see the same riots and protests happening in middle class or affluent areas do you?

No i don't see such in middle class areas because they focused their time and energy working, doing business to make even more money and grow to even upper class. Rather than blaming immigrants for everything, they should get off their lazy backside to get something doing, many in middle class areas are also immigrants, they did not come to this country with truck loads of money, they worked tirelessly to better their lives.

Yes i remembered what happened in 2011 , that one was started by black thugs and they were dealt with by the law.

Zahra29:
And these ones will be dealt with by the law as well. Hopefully there will be arrests on all sides as there have also been attacks and mob violence from the MDF in places like Bolton.

My point is that the underlying issues will not go away - unless they are addressed by the government, it's only a matter of time before the next protest or something worse happens.

I hope you also realise that that there are many black and ethnic people who don't work and who rely on benefits - aka benefits scroungers. Even the immigrants who are able to claim benefits do so happily e.g. Poles and Bulgarians. Some have become experts in scamming the benefits system. Not sure why the term benefits scroungers is reserved solely for white Brits lol.

lavida001:
The benefit is not the enough for them. They are now demanding for houses to be built plus the high cost of mortgage is not helping.

Black people on benefit are small compare to the Brits. What’s going can only be controlled for the time being but it will resurface in no distant time.

Zahra29:
And these ones will be dealt with by the law as well. Hopefully there will be arrests on all sides as there have also been attacks and mob violence from the MDF in places like Bolton.

My point is that the underlying issues will not go away - unless they are addressed by the government, it's only a matter of time before the next protest or something worse happens.

I hope you also realise that that there are many black and ethnic people who don't work and who rely on benefits - aka benefits scroungers. Even the immigrants who are able to claim benefits do so happily e.g. Poles and Bulgarians. Some have become experts in scamming the benefits system. Not sure why the term benefits scroungers is reserved solely for white Brits lol.

RodgersAkpafu:
you are right
The biggest undercurrent is the fact that the economy is struggling
If you come to the North East (I'm here most of the time) you will see poverty and despair left and right .
.combining thar with the influx of Nigerian and Indian students coming in to compete for house and jobs is

however it's the elite that engineered this mess in the first place

justwise:
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That will never happen, no govt has the resource or the means to eradicate poverty or immigration completely, we will always have people living below poverty level, moving in and out of poverty.

Immigration makes this country rich and prosperous, the middle and upper class can not do without immigrants, these work shy lazy bones are benefiting from immigrants, their carers, bus drivers, trian drivers, cleaners, uber drivers, delivery drivers, doctors etc are most likely immigrants who pay heavily into the system while these hate filled benefits scroungers stay home to claim

White Brits make a living out of benefit, they know benefit system far more than immigrants, yes immigrants claim benefit but nothing compare to white Brits

Gerrard59:
The issue is that Western politicians are largely incompetent in solving their people's problems. In 2009 when the global economic crisis was ravaging the world, the Japanese government paid immigrant workers in automobile factories a one-off payment to return to their countries so that it frees up space for unemployed Japanese. Prior to 2011, it was very easy for a non-Southeast Asian to domicile in Singapore, and obtain PR and citizenship. The economy got tougher and jobs were scarce for the majority Chinese population as Indians from Mainland India accepted low salaries. They voted against the PAP in the 2011 elections. The party reversed almost all of its favourable immigration policies and tightened everywhere. The tightening continues while the government focuses on the top 1% of would-be immigrants. The lesson to be learned is: protect the natives from being overwhelmed by immigration from their livelihoods, or else they will react.

In the US, this is happening as migrants from mostly South America jostle for jobs that ordinarily would go to African Americans, but AAs being a die-hard Democratic voting bloc would not vote for the GOP. In Canada, natives complain about how their teenage children cannot find holiday jobs because immigrants from South Asia compete head-on with them and accept lower wages. Today, Canadians have turned their back towards unfettered immigration. The so-called liberal parties and their supporters don't understand human nature. I understand why most first-generation immigrants support such policies, but for continuous residence with peace of mind, the natives' economic concerns have to be protected because should they revolt, there is nothing anyone can do about it.


Presently, the immigration issue in the UK is multifaceted. One, the country has an ageing population who require social care which is burning the government finances. As a result, the government invites foreigners to fill up that gap. Two, the education system relies on foreign students to SURVIVE when it is not supposed to be so. Universities that cannot sustain themselves should be allowed to go into bankruptcy. Three, yes, the birth rate is abysmally low, but because the UK lacks a manufacturing base, many natives who cannot compete for elite jobs are deprived of economic opportunities which young and any-pounds-available immigrants can accept.

In my books, a country with a population of 10 million plus needs to have a manufacturing base to provide good jobs to citizens who cannot compete for the elite jobs. Everyone cannot be a programmer or doctor. Some should be skilled technicians and live an okay life. Switzerland does this very well. Lastly, poor law enforcement. The Gods forbid, but the law authorities in the West are terribly incompetent to clamp down on criminals regardless of where they come from, their skin colour and who they worship. See the picture below. Even in Nigeria, natives of any area will be annoyed when this happens to their daughters. We won't call them tribalists, so it will be odd to describe those in Rotherham as racists. Such nonsense cannot happen in China or Singapore without the authorities dealing brutally with the preparatory, but Ndi lovey-dovey liberal parties are scared of enforcing the law. Tomorrow, they are surprised when they vote for the Reform Party and the GOP. I have never seen a group of people who are so detached from the basic understanding of human beings.

Zahra29:
Justwise, these protests/riots have been mainly directed at IlLEGAL IMMIGRATION. It's a difficult situation because I'm sure there are genuine asylum seekers, however a few issues that have been simmering in these communities are:

- the amount of money spent on asylum hotels. Several million a day, how many billions of pounds is that a year? Meanwhile pensioners are losing their winter allowances, schools are underfunded, no money for adult social care, £20bn black hole in govt finances etc.

- how come the asylum hotels are not being put up in middle class areas? Why not Clapham or Richmond or the nice parts in Manchester or Surrey? Why are they in deprived areas that are already struggling? With no added funding - GPs, hospitals, schools etc will be under even more pressure with hundreds of new residents /asylum seekers until it becomes a "Hunger Games" for public services. Politicians don't mind because they live in naice areas - just like in America - immigrants are welcome by the Dems as long as they are NIMBY (Not In My Backyard)

- there have been increasing reports of asylum seekers that have committed heinous crimes e.g. the recent acid attack in London, stabbings, grooming/raping of british girls etc. Women are now reporting that they are scared to go out at night in certain parts of their towns that used to be safe.

- there have been several terrorist attacks since 2005- the London tube attack, Manchester arena, the Lee Rigby killing, attempted suicide bombings on hospitals, cars being rammed into pedestrians in London etc etc carried out by men from a certain religion. There are fears that potential terrorists will be among those coming via boat and the government does not know who is coming into the country. It is also a big part reason for the anger against that religion being displayed in the protests.

- perceived "two tier policing"

These are a few of the issues that have been simmering and have tipped out into the open after the tragic Southport attack. Ireland has been staging protests for months now - they recently burned down 2 centres that had been earmarked to house asylum seekers.

Zahra29:
It's an own goal by these communities because their vandalism and violence only serve to bolster the assertions of those on the right that multiculturalism has failed/isn't working very well.

In addition to the reputational damage, there is also the potential economic impact. Areas with predominantly immigrant and ethnic populations tend to be among the most deprived in the country - with a few exceptions such as Jewish communities e.g in North London. These types of incidents will discourage investment, jobs and regeneration; the area will deteriorate further and it then becomes a vicious cycle of violence, economic deprivation and class/racial tension. An example is Croydon which has been in steady decline since the riots in 2011. This is how slums and no-go areas, like in parts of France and Belgium, get created.

Zahra29:
Farage hasn't actually commented on the riots as far as I'm aware...... Legally I don't think there's going to be much to stick on them because they haven't actually called on people to go out and fight and destroy property. ......

What is more concerning is the damage done to police trust, cohesion and community relations. The cities where the more violent protests are being staged e.g. Rotherham, Sunderland etc exposes the deep anger and tensions that have been brewing over many years fuelled by deprivation, rising crime, inequality and a feeling of abandonment by the government. Similar reasons for previous riots, and these issues will need to be addressed by the government sooner or later.

missjekyll:
You still haven't answered the question. Why far left? I m dragging this for the edification of thread visitors. Make person no go call im colleague "far right" or "far left" for work. You go kuku go hr explain wetin you mean.

You will recognise the tax policies you ve mentioned as the current government policy.
Laid out boldly in the manifesto on which Labour won a stonking majority. Meaning these are very popular policies. What's the issue?

Gerrard59:
The issue is that Western politicians are largely incompetent in solving their people's problems. In 2009 when the global economic crisis was ravaging the world, the Japanese government paid immigrant workers in automobile factories a one-off payment to return to their countries so that it frees up space for unemployed Japanese....

jedisco:
No vex my sister. Let's say you and Zahra are on extreme ends of the spectrum. No more far this or far that. Hope we're good now

justwise:
Yes! yes!! and yes!!!, however, however Zahra29 how do you know who is legal or ilegal immigrant? These plonkers wouldn't know who is legal or illegal, we don't walk around with our immigration status on our foreheads, so anybody with a dark skin is a target.

All the issues you highlighted above are all valid points but that affect both black and white Brits, so my question is..why the selective outrage?

Why are they not protesting in Palace of Westminster, council offices, HomeOffice etc?

jedisco:
I'm noticing oddly contrasting views interestingly from same person.

On the protest over social service issue-



On far right protests...



For similar actions, one group have committed an own goal and should blame themselvesfor repercussions, the other group are only responding to deprivation by the government

jedisco:
No vex my sister. Let's say you and Zahra are on extreme ends of the spectrum. No more far this or far that. Hope we're good now

jedisco:
I'm noticing oddly contrasting views interestingly from same person.

On the protest over social service issue-



On far right protests...



For similar actions, one group have committed an own goal and should blame themselvesfor repercussions, the other group are only responding to deprivation by the government