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FxMasterz:
Have you ever seen your mind before? You're pointing out its effects as proofs. Meanwhile the effects of creationism are everywhere around us but yet you dismissed them. Your 3 heads and magic wands that work like a genie have no effect like the mind and creationism do, hence, they can be dismissed as being fictitious. The complexity of the universe itself and the purposefulness of everything created (Everything created has an important purpose - the eyes for seeing, the legs for movement, the air for sustaining breath, the tongue for tasting foods, the hole on your ass for passing out expended food, a separate tract for passing out used water, trees and plants for food production, rains and sunshine and all the numerous things that exist each has its purpose. Such purposeful existent of things CAN NEVER be accidental. There's a mark of intelligence, thoughtfulness, calculation and proactiveness in all things created. Creationism proves itself. Your three heads and magic wands do not.

1. Yes, effects can be used as proof. We can't see gaseous oxygen but its effects on us is obvious. The proof of the existence of my mind is that we can see its effects. My day to day actions. Also some 'minds' have pathologies like schizophrenia, Alzheimer's etc
2. You said everything must be created, right? So how did this creator come about? And where did he see material to create universe and animals, including man.
3. What do you mean my 3 heads have no effect? I’m using them to head football. Even if theres no effect, does it mean it doesnt exist?
4. The human body is one of the worst piece of art. So don't use it as an example of 'intelligent design'. Its greatly flawed in design and purpose, and prone to a lot of diseases. I'm a physician, I'll tell you that for free

Lucifyre:
Absolute rubbish for and from myopic narrow minded individuals. Show the ritual lets see, so we perform it and record it. Nonsense, you and who established it as "fact", ur fellow myopic folks?! Here's what a fact is, so u don't go around embarrassing urself using simple words you knw no meaning of. "A fact is a statement or assertion that can be objectively verified as true or false. It is an occurrence, event, or piece of information that is based on reality and can be observed or proven through evidence and empirical data. Facts are distinguished from opinions or beliefs, which are subjective and cannot be verified in the same way".

You tried to sound intelligent but you ended up looking stupid. I can bet you're either a Christian or an "atheist",but you should be more of an atheist because i know so many christians that are intelligent and rational without this "wokeness" or "seeing-is-believing" attitude.

Now,answer this if you're a Christian; have you ever seen God before? Why do you believe jesus is the savior when you're not even sure jesus is a fairy tale?

If you're atheist on the other hand then i have no answer for you. Keep on keeping on.

jaephoenix:
1. Yes, effects can be used as proof. We can't see gaseous oxygen but its effects on us is obvious. The proof of the existence of my mind is that we can see its effects. My day to day actions. Also some 'minds' have pathologies like schizophrenia, Alzheimer's etc
2. You said everything must be created, right? So how did this creator come about? And where did he see material to create universe and animals, including man.
3. What do you mean my 3 heads have no effect? I’m using them to head football. Even if theres no effect, does it mean it doesnt exist?
4. The human body is one of the worst piece of art. So don't use it as an example of 'intelligent design'. Its greatly flawed in design and purpose, and prone to a lot of diseases. I'm a physician, I'll tell you that for free

1. So accept that the effects of creation is a proof that there was a Creator behind creation.

2. When did I say everything must be created? Even if I said so, the questions you asked are irrelevant. Ignorance of how the Creator came about or of the tools He used for His creations has nothing to do with the proof of His existence.

3. Lies. I never said your 3 heads have no effect. I said your 3 heads and your magic wand has no effect. You need to separate your one head which we see from your 3 heads and magic wand which we do not see for you to make any sense.

4. Your body can be one of the worst peace of art for all I care. Not mine. Science is amazed at the complexity and the intelligent design of the human body and the universe. The nervous system itself is such a marvel. Lying atheist, why have you not created your own piece of human body since your yeye body is the worst piece of art? Show me the body you have Created. Your faulty logic lies in the fact that imperfection itself does not disprove the existence of a Creator.

Moreover, your weak attempt to digress from the very points I made is very glaring. You couldn't counter me at all. You're just beating around the bush. I have told you that everything created has a PURPOSE. The key word here is PURPOSE. Purposeful designs that are intelligently put together. That's what you should dispute. Stop beating around the bush. Show me something that has a Purpose. Something Intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose and yet has no creator. Just show me one!

Badmashiii:
You tried to sound intelligent but you ended up looking stupid. I can bet you're either a Christian or an "atheist",but you should be more of an atheist because i know so many christians that are intelligent and rational without this "wokeness" or "seeing-is-believing" attitude.

Now,answer this if you're a Christian; have you ever seen God before? Why do you believe jesus is the savior when you're not even sure jesus is a fairy tale?

If you're atheist on the other hand then i have no answer for you. Keep on keeping on.

Why do people like you get salty when asked for evidence?

FxMasterz:
1. So accept that the effects of creation is a proof that there was a Creator behind creation.

2. When did I say everything must be created? Even if I said so, the questions you asked are irrelevant. Ignorance of how the Creator came about or of the tools He used for His creations has nothing to do with the proof of His existence.

3. Lies. I never said your 3 heads have no effect. I said your 3 heads and your magic wand has no effect. You need to separate your one head which we see from your 3 heads and magic wand which we do not see for you to make any sense.

4. Your body can be one of the worst peace of art for all I care. Not mine. Science is amazed at the complexity and the intelligent design of the human body and the universe. The nervous system itself is such a marvel. Lying atheist, why have you not created your own piece of human body since your yeye body is the worst piece of art? Show me the body you have Created. Your faulty logic lies in the fact that imperfection itself does not disprove the existence of a Creator.

Moreover, your weak attempt to digress from the very points I made is very glaring. You couldn't counter me at all. You're just beating around the bush. I have told you that everything created has a PURPOSE. The key word here is PURPOSE. Purposeful designs that are intelligently put together. That's what you should dispute. Stop beating around the bush. Show me something that has a Purpose. Something Intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose and yet has no creator. Just show me one!

1. You keep talking from both sides of your mouth. You just said below that you didn't say everything must be created, now you are saying there is a creator.
Lemme ask you one more time. IS EVERYTHING CREATED? YES OR NO?
2. So tell me the stuffs that weren't created? And why I pointed out the source of creation is cos you christians keep saying atheists believe something came drom nothing
3. I don't even understand the point you're tryna make here
4. Lol. I don't even know how to start explaining this point to you. Lemme start with this one. Have you watched labor before? Are you aware some babies are covered in poo while coming out. Why does an intelligent designer put the entry point of all humans just beside the shit dump? Also are you aware that back pain and hemorrhoids is rampant in humans cos of our bipedal nature? Maybe you can read up some of the flaws here. https://nautil.us/top-10-design-flaws-in-the-human-body-235403/

Are you aware that humans have appendix? What do you think was the purpose? Lets start with that one before we go forward

TenQ:
Since I've been born, I've never ever seen Oxygen and I have been breathing.

Conclusion:
It's a lie that oxygen exists!

I have just proved that

Weak argument my friend. I disagree partly with op though on this matter.

jaephoenix:
Why do people like you get salty when asked for evidence?

What do you mean by "evidence"? The existence or a so called "evidence " doesn't something is a fact,you dig?

Christian on this thread you guys should stop killing yourselves. There is no format on earth that you people will bring that this atheist will not defend themselves.

Sapasenator:
Weak argument my friend. I disagree partly with op though on this matter.

I agree perfectly with you. This was the argument of the OP!
Thanks for admitting this

jaephoenix:
Can I tell seun to activate a gofundme so we can pay for a shrink to give u a Mental Eval? I can do one for free for you

I have volunteered several times to pay for his treatment...he has refused...

My offer still stands..

TenQ:
I agree perfectly with you. This was the argument of the OP!
Thanks for admitting this

Weak because you only alluded to the senses of sight. There are other physical ways oxygen can be tested and observed while there is none to back up the existence of ghosts, God, the devil, or evil. That you cannot see oxygen with your eyes is a very weak argument.

For me, I believe we are not alone and there is voodoo which is very much active, I also know there is no physical evidence for this belief so I will never attempt to debate them with op.

Lucifyre:
Confused myopic morons are coming for you.

I believe in the existence of supernational forces even though I may not be able to offer empirical proof for my beliefs. In one instance when I was younger, I had a friend called Kabiru, He was a 100-level student of engineering at OAU at the time.

He was trying to separate fights between two individuals, one of them brought a ring (oruka), Inserted it into one of his fingers, and attempted to slap the other guy with the ring, Kabiru came in-between, was slapped on the body with the ring and he fell dead instantly.

Sapasenator:
Weak because you only alluded to the senses of sight. There are other physical ways oxygen can be tested and observed while there is none to back up the existence of ghosts, God, the devil, or evil. That you cannot see oxygen with your eyes is a very weak argument.

For me, I believe we are not alone and there is voodoo which is very much active, I also know there is no physical evidence for this belief so I will never attempt to debate them with op.

Sorry o!

I alluded to what I could see just as the OP judged by what he could see.

TenQ:
Sorry o!

I alluded to what I could see just as the OP judged by what he could see.

What can you see per your allusion? Care to share. I am curious and for knowledge sake, I just do not discount or accept what I cannot see, I try to ask more question, hear other people eyewitness experiences.

Sapasenator:
What can you see per your allusion? Care to share. I am curious and for knowledge sake, I just do not discount or accept what I cannot see, I try to ask more question, hear other people eyewitness experiences.

Since it's about the op let's limit it to what I cannot see.
I couldn't see Oxygen gas, so using the logic of the OP, Oxygen doesn't exist.

Have you seen any software in machine before? Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

TenQ:
Since it's about the op let's limit it to what I cannot see.
I couldn't see Oxygen gas, so using the logic of the OP, Oxygen doesn't exist.

Have you seen any software in machine before? Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

For evidence, we always want to rely on observations with the five senses, sight, touch, smell and you know what I mean.

Are there ways you can prove the existence of ghosts? I can show you zillions of ways you can prove and quantify oxygen. There is no context about that. Your argument was weak and had no leg to stand on.

Badmashiii:
You tried to sound intelligent but you ended up looking stupid. I can bet you're either a Christian or an "atheist",but you should be more of an atheist because i know so many christians that are intelligent and rational without this "wokeness" or "seeing-is-believing" attitude.

Now,answer this if you're a Christian; have you ever seen God before? Why do you believe jesus is the savior when you're not even sure jesus is a fairy tale?

If you're atheist on the other hand then i have no answer for you. Keep on keeping on.

If stating the obvious is "trying to sound intelligent" then its obvious you've got freezing temp IQ of a retard. Suddenly when asked to give evidence you went on a tangent after spouting dross confidently, show me the demon nau, retard 😄 . Now its woke, seeing is believing, thought it was fact. Funny thing is I'm neither christain nor an atheist. Joke of a m0ron.

Sapasenator:
For evidence, we always want to rely on observations with the five senses, sight, touch, smell and you know what I mean.

Are there ways you can prove the existence of ghosts? I can show you zillions of ways you can prove and quantify oxygen. There is no context about that. Your argument was weak and had no leg to stand on.

Did I claim ANYTHING about ghosts?

My objective had been achieved: the OP's argument is not sound.


I asked you a question:
Have you seen any software in machine before?
Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

jaephoenix:
1. You keep talking from both sides of your mouth. You just said below that you didn't say everything must be created, now you are saying there is a creator.
Lemme ask you one more time. IS EVERYTHING CREATED? YES OR NO?

What type of human being are you? Can't you focus on what I said instead of trying to put words in my mouth? Show me where I said everything is or was Created! My emphasis is on PURPOSE!

2. So tell me the stuffs that weren't created? And why I pointed out the source of creation is cos you christians keep saying atheists believe something came drom nothing.

Irrelevant question! Who's talking to you about something that was created or not crested? You created that topic in your head! Everything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose has a creator! Dispute that!

3. I don't even understand the point you're tryna make here

How can you understand when you keep running away from the actual topic of discourse?

4. Lol. I don't even know how to start explaining this point to you. Lemme start with this one. Have you watched labor before? Are you aware some babies are covered in poo while coming out. Why does an intelligent designer put the entry point of all humans just beside the shit dump? Also are you aware that back pain and hemorrhoids is rampant in humans cos of our bipedal nature? Maybe you can read up some of the flaws here. https://nautil.us/top-10-design-flaws-in-the-human-body-235403/

Are you aware that humans have appendix? What do you think was the purpose? Lets start with that one before we go forward

Absolute nonsense! Imperfection is never a proof that there's no Creator!

Lucifyre:
If staging the obvious is "trying to sound intelligent" then iys obvious you've got freezing temp IQ of a retard. Suddenly when asked to give evidence you went on a tangent after spouting dross confidently, show me the demon nau, retard 😄 . Now its woke, seeing its believing, thought it was fact. Funny thing is im neither christain nor an atheist. Joke of a m0ron.

You're actually dumber than i thought. Pray tell,what's your religion?

Let's start from there. Playing around with fools is one of the way i pick fun.

bobestman:
I don tell you before say you be small pikin. Telling ppl you have not met before who are doing far better than you that they are mad, cursed, going to hell or wishing them death for a belief you know nothing about is what? Something they even flogged your ancestors before they accepted it. Something you have not even gone there to see for yourself. Guy you reason like kids. Too ignorant and blind for me to argue with. Go and play

Dtruthspeaker....I did not say this one..

I will pay for your treatment...

I have dropped my contacts here before..

Science and spiritually are two different aspects of our existence...that exist side by side..you can't attempt to use one to verify the other any attempt is always futile..that was why I said theist and atheist..depending on what you see when you look......you are both correct.

Somebody might look at a beautiful nu.de woman and close their eyes and scream.
Others might wonder the careful master design of the creator..

What is true is that everting in nature exist in twos in nature physical world and an unseen world. It is called"the principal of duality".
I think I should just open a thread to discuss the 7 principles of life...


Shalom.

This has got to be a new low! Someone actually said that the human body was one of the worst pieces of art! Wow! Desperation on another level.

Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being;
    you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
    your works are wonderful,
    I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
    when I was made in the secret place,
    when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.

The human body was carefully designed by the Creator and Maker of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them. He is the God of gods. The Father of the spirits of all humans, including those who claim that they do not believe in his existence. We know there isn't really any atheist on this forum. All those who claim to be atheists here are just people on a mission.

Op, that you did not see any ghosts does not disprove or prove the existence of ghosts. If you doubt voodoo, I can take you to a place in Sango Ota where a potent oruka will be tested on you and if you remain normal afterward, I will pay you 200k. I honestly believe we are not alone in the universe, I do not believe in religion, church, or mosques but I know some experiences can't be conformed with our senses alone.

Badmashiii:
I only know how to summon and it was a trusted preacher that gave me the knowledge. You have to know how to send it back to it's realm otherwise it will be stuck with you and you don't want to know what that means.

Besides,i can't show you the demon if you mean image or something,i can only give you the rituals which you will perform youself late at the night.

Anything that comes up,you face it alone.

Either way,DM at this number 07088555036

Right. So is this number on whatsapp. I wanna take a screenshot and create a thread so as to make it public

Badmashiii:
What do you mean by "evidence"? The existence or a so called "evidence " doesn't something is a fact,you dig?

I don't understand that statement. Please rephrase…

Sapasenator:
Weak because you only alluded to the senses of sight. There are other physical ways oxygen can be tested and observed while there is none to back up the existence of ghosts, God, the devil, or evil. That you cannot see oxygen with your eyes is a very weak argument.

For me, I believe we are not alone and there is voodoo which is very much active, I also know there is no physical evidence for this belief so I will never attempt to debate them with op.

You contradicted yourself. If you say there are ways to evaluate oxygen, how do we evaluate voodoo

Sapasenator:
I believe in the existence of supernational forces even though I may not be able to offer empirical proof for my beliefs. In one instance when I was younger, I had a friend called Kabiru, He was a 100-level student of engineering at OAU at the time.

He was trying to separate fights between two individuals, one of them brought a ring (oruka), Inserted it into one of his fingers, and attempted to slap the other guy with the ring, Kabiru came in-between, was slapped on the body with the ring and he fell dead instantly.

Lets assume this is true.
Did you witness the fight? If you did, did he land with his head? Did he die immediately or on the way to hospital, or in the hospital?

TenQ:
Sorry o!

I alluded to what I could see just as the OP judged by what he could see.

Yeah, you are right. But if OP had been touched or slapped by a ghost, he'd have believed they existed. But in this case, neither did he interface in any form with them. With oxygen, we can interact and interface with it

TenQ:
Since it's about the op let's limit it to what I cannot see.
I couldn't see Oxygen gas, so using the logic of the OP, Oxygen doesn't exist.

Have you seen any software in machine before? Does it mean that it doesn't exist?
There are realities that can be seen and realities that cannot be seen.

You have brought up this your false software dichotomy that we have debunked. We can interface with it in many forms

jaephoenix:
Lets assume this is true.
Did you witness the fight? If you did, did he land with his head? Did he die immediately or on the way to hospital, or in the hospital?

You raised a good question, He just slumped and died on the spot immediately after his body came in contact with the ring, I was an eye witness and never separated or got involved when two people were fighting afterward. Vodoo originated from West Africa and we may need to conduct in-depth studies, it is also a possibility the guy may have had a pre-existing medical condition leading to his death, unfortunately, an autopsy was never conducted to find out the cause of death.

I grew up in a community infested with voodoo and paganism, with people always making incantations and may never be able to empirically prove some of these things but they are physical experiences that cannot be dismissed as not existing.

FxMasterz:
What type of human being are you? Can't you focus on what I said instead of trying to put words in my mouth? Show me where I said everything is or was Created! My emphasis is on PURPOSE!



Irrelevant question! Who's talking to you about something that was created or not crested? You created that topic in your head! Everything that is intelligently put together to fulfil a purpose has a creator! Dispute that!


How can you understand when you keep running away from the actual topic of discourse?



Absolute nonsense! Imperfection is never a proof that there's no Creator!

1. So u r saying some stuff weren't created?
2. Is god an intelligent being? If yes, who created him/her/them/it?
3. Please rephrase that point. Telling me i keep running away is deflecting from the point