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|The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 1:25pm On Dec 28, 2015|
These days, the rampant extremism in Islam has given some Christians a new stick with which to beat Muslims.
Religion is personal, faith is dear to the one who holds it, and holding every Muslim accountable for the actions of a (relatively minor) sect is ignorant, especially if you're a Christian.
Christianity has a shady past. They don't teach you these things in Sunday school because it's shameful and embarrassing. This is a brief history lesson, so that Christians guilty of this ignorant finger-pointing can pause and reflect.
The Crusades were Christian wars against non-Christians, and even against Christians of a somewhat different persuasion, staged between 1095 and 1248. No educated Christian can ignore the shame that the Crusades have brought on the Christian church, especially in the eyes of Jews and Moslems. Modern evangelical churches sometimes use the word Crusade to describe an outreach program in their local area, overlooking the fact that Jews and Moslems associate the concept of a crusade as an attack of terror on their communities.
A brief history of the Crusades
... the conditions that led to their launch, and the consequences.
ca 1050 AD [/b]onwards
Resurgence of wealth in Europe after the Dark Ages led to new confidence in the Christian Empire.
The Emperor in Constantinople, capital of the eastern half of the Christian Empire, called for help in his campaigns against growing Moslem strength.
Pope Urban II in Rome called on Christians in Europe to join a crusade to liberate Jerusalem from the Moslems.
Crusaders marched in several armies towards the Holy Land. In cities across Europe they slaughtered defenceless Jews.
The first armies arrived at Constantinople and crossed the Bosphorus to attack the Turks. One of those armies, that of Peter the Hermit, was massacred.
Multitudes died, many of starvation, in the two-year march to Jerusalem.
Crusaders from Europe conquered Jerusalem, slaughtering Moslems, Jews and eastern Orthodox Christians alike.
Crusader states were established in the Holy Land.
Period of building the great Gothic cathedrals in Europe – dedicated mostly to the virgin Mary, and some to saints, being places where relics of these people were stored. Pilgrimages to such shrines were thought to bring power for answers to prayer.
The cathedrals were the most visible display of the “church triumphant.”
Second Crusade – a failure.
Moslems led by Saladin reconquered Jerusalem.
Third Crusade – a failure.
Fourth Crusade – Latin Christians from Europe, and an army financed by Venetian merchants, conquered the eastern Orthodox centre of Constantinople, killing “fellow Christians” and taking the treasures of Byzantium to palaces in Europe.
Although the armies of Rome withdrew some decades later, allowing the Orthodox Christians to re-settle Constantinople, the eastern half of the Christian Empire was so weakened that it easily fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453.
The city was renamed Istanbul.
To this day the country of Turkey represents the major boundary between Europe and the Moslem domination of the Middle East.
Albigensian Crusade in Europe.
Heresy took hold in southern France and, through military conquest, Rome forced its exclusive right to interpret and deliver doctrine.
Fifth Crusade to “save” the Holy Land – a failure.
Sixth Crusade – a failure.
Start of the Inquisition – the church’s attempt to enforce doctrinal orthodoxy throughout Christendom.
Seventh Crusade – a failure.
Pope Innocent IV sanctioned the use of torture to extract truth from suspects brought before the Inquisitors.
Black death – bubonic plague killed one-third of the population of Europe.
Pope John Paul II admitted the sins of the Catholic Church going back to the Crusades and the Inquisition and, in a sermon that was broadcast live to the world, asked for forgiveness.
“Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.” - Barack Obama, February 2015
Now, if you research the numbers, Christianity has shed more blood in the name of its God than any other religion can ever dream of.
Faith is personal. Everyone has a conscience. Good people will be good people, regardless of where their faith lies.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by menesheh(m): 2:08pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Thanks for the post.
I still maintain that Christianity had perpetrated terrorism to the world than muslem will ever involve. They've killed many heads and destroyed much properties than ever.
Due to years of identification of their actions, zero benefit of killing others and gradual enlightened of Europe, they started doing away with those hideous acts.
I still condemned every act of terrorism by any group or organization in our contemporary world.
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|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Maamin(m): 2:20pm On Dec 28, 2015|
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by elhakiimed(m): 2:22pm On Dec 28, 2015|
At least their are still people who are not ashamed of speaking the truth.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Annunaki(m): 2:40pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Nonsense bull sh.it al taquiya spreading thread. Even m0rons know that the glorious crusades were initiated as a defensive force to protect europe from evil marauding jihadists who had over ran Spain and were threatening the rest of europe. The crusaders also did a good job of ridding jerusalem of the satanists(muslims) who had occupied jerusalem several decades before the first crusade. It is to the credit of the crusaders that the satanic jihads were halted in europe and we remain grateful to them till this day for their sacrifice. It's disingenuous for modern day fraudulent muslims to try and turn the story around and give the false impression that it was the crusaders that started the problem.
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|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by BETATRON(m): 2:53pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Some desperados and moronic apologetics will try to device sentimental stratagems to justify these hedious crimes against humanity
--surely an idea cannot be defeated by force but by virtue of a superior idea
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by BETATRON(m): 2:59pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Annunaki:really...what do you have to say about the rhineland masacre also?
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Annunaki(m): 3:04pm On Dec 28, 2015|
And some brain dead lunatics will ignore the facts of the matter all in their glee and rush to condemn christian history. Yes by today's standards what the crusaders did is unacceptable only because they over stepped their boundaries and went on to behave like the jihadists but in reality they did what they had to do to ensure the survival of europe. If not for the crusaders, we will all be aarab slaves today living in a seventh century world. Say whatever rubbish you want but western civilisation which we are all benefitting from owes it's survival to the glorious crusaders who were able to halt the satanic jihadists in their tracks and send them packing.
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|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 3:11pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Innocent blood was shed in the pursuit of religion. Justifying killing people because of difference in ideology exudes lack of empathy.
Have a rethink, brother. Try to reexamine the historic facts from a neutral perspective, from the Crusades to the Inquisitions. These things are as clear as day.
No-one is blaming you for the crimes of past Christians, only asking that you don't blame other good Muslims for the extremism of the heartless few.
I'm not a fan of any religion, Christianity and Islam alike, but that doesn't curb my spirit of humanity towards Christians and Muslims.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by elhakiimed(m): 3:25pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Annunaki:you really are a "no-nothing" man,it's not everytime you have to comment you know.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Annunaki(m): 3:50pm On Dec 28, 2015|
As I said earlier the crusaders were primarily a defensive force and they did what they had to do to defend europe from satanic forces. It's unfortunate and regrettable that some innocent people died in the course of their action but we cannot take away the fact that they did a good job of liberating europe from those devils threaten them with jihad.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Annunaki(m): 3:57pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Also note that the crusades unlike jihad was never for the spread of religion rather it was for the defence of the sovereignty of European lands. It's immaterial that the crusades were endorsed by the catholic church. The only offensive action the crusaders took was to liberate jerusalem from the satanists that had earlier occupied it.
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|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 4:23pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Really? Do you choose to be that ignorant?
And the Inquisitions too, I guess? An innocent ploy to rid threatened Christians nations of harmful unbelievers?
Even the Pope has apologised for these. You're in too deep, my friend
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|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Ubenedictus(m): 4:38pm On Dec 28, 2015|
the crusade werent jihads, they were mostly intended defensive wars, i daresay, just wars, and yes western xtianity and civilisation owe its existences to those crusades. The catholic church didnt have an option, u either fight or becom slave.
But all wars have d potential to tend towards excesses, dat is why wars are to be avoided, d crusade was no exception to excesses.
But it is great ignorance to equate muslim extremism to d defensive crusade.
O.p the christian didnt engineer d plague how come dat is also in ur post?
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Ubenedictus(m): 4:43pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Chizzled06:the inquisition is different from d crusades dont mix them together.
The pope apologised for d excesses of christian military activities, he never equated the crusade, which were defensive forces to muslim extremism.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 4:53pm On Dec 28, 2015|
The plague was blamed on Jews and sparked renewed antisemitic violence.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 4:58pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Nobody is equating anything. They are all unethical and barbaric acts that deserve condemnation.
All I'm saying is don't blame all Muslims for the extremism of a relative minority. Especially if you're unwilling to accept blame for the bloodshed on the hands of the church.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by BETATRON(m): 5:13pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Annunaki:chuckles...point of correction I'm not trying to condemn christians for their history
But you seem to know very little about the crusade
You term the killing of muslims defensive??, ok then.what's with the raping of women (including nuns)
What about the jews killed in the so called rhineland masacre
I see no reason why you should try to defend this wicked act I see no reason whatsoever
Of all the religious wars in human history waged by
any religion, at any place, and at any time, none have
been bloodier, more genocidal, more barbaric, and
more protracted than the "holy wars" by the
Western Crusades against the Arabs and Islam.
Well I'm not using the crusade as a scale to judge all Christians ..I guess that's the op's point too
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Annunaki(m): 7:25pm On Dec 28, 2015|
Utter rubbish! Arrogant expression of ignorance, maybe you need to dust up your history books or ask google for help. The crusades where justified because they were primarily to defend europe against marauding jihadists and not the other way round except you want to say the Europeans did not have a right to self defence.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by BETATRON(m): 7:28pm On Dec 28, 2015|
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Ubenedictus(m): 9:51am On Dec 29, 2015|
Chizzled06:U are equating a just war, a war with the intent of self defense to ur suicide bombing jihad...
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Annunaki(m): 10:21am On Dec 29, 2015|
Can you imagine? The comparison is insanely ridiculous
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Richirich713: 2:53pm On Dec 29, 2015|
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:47pm On Dec 29, 2015|
If you view the crusades as 'just war', why do you think the Pope needed to apologize?
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 7:49pm On Dec 29, 2015|
The biggest mistake religious people make is to think that without their faith, ethics and morals wouldn't exist.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by chiedu7: 8:07pm On Dec 29, 2015|
1] The Crusades was the catholic church trying to rescue the Holy Land from Moslems
2] The Crusades were in the PAST!
3] The Islamic Jihad has been going on since Mohammed uptil NOW
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|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by plaetton: 9:09pm On Dec 29, 2015|
The crusades were 100% offensive, not defensive in any way.
And the crusaders were heartless in their genocidal rage, killing especially women, children, Jews, and even Christian sects not affiliated with Rome.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by plaetton: 9:17pm On Dec 29, 2015|
Did the inhabitants of the so-called holy land, the Jews, ever cried that they needed rescue?
Pope urban was the first religious head to ever justify a holy war, promising soldiers forgiveness and eternal bliss if they died in battle.
How about the destruction of Constantinople,.. Was that also a just war to defend what ..?
Funny that first European monarch to be crowned King of Jerusalem achieved that feet without spilling a single moslem or Jewish blood. He achieved it by simple negotiations with the khalifs of Jerusalem.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 11:52pm On Dec 29, 2015|
Rescue? That smells of ignorance and bigotry.
The 'Holy Land' is a pilgrimage site for THREE religions. It belongs to its inhabitants, not some self righteous Christians from Rome.
Past or present, they are all barbaric.
Again, the point of this post is that you can't blame everyone involved in a religion for the crimes of a few mindless ones.
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by chiedu7: 11:59pm On Dec 29, 2015|
Christians will tell you that the jews own the Holy Land.
Moslems though your own quoran say's that Israel belongs to Jews, moslems want to kill all jews in israel
Say (unto them): If ye possessed the treasures of the mercy of my Lord, ye would surely hold them back for fear of spending, for man was ever grudging. (100)
And verily We gave unto Moses nine tokens, clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). Do but ask the Children of Israel how he came unto them, then Pharaoh said unto him: Lo! I deem thee one bewitched, O Moses. (101)
He said: In truth thou knowest that none sent down these (portents) save the Lord of the heavens and the earth as proofs, and lo! (for my part) I deem thee lost, O Pharaoh. (102)
And he wished to scare them from the land, but We drowned him and those with him, all together. (103) And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations. (104)
And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. (20) O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: (21) They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). (22)
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by Chizzled06(m): 12:13am On Dec 30, 2015|
So why did the Christian crusaders kill Jews during their invasions?
|Re: The Crusades: Christianity's Violent Past by chiedu7: 2:45am On Dec 30, 2015|
Lets assume they DID in the past, moslems are blowing people up NOW!
The evil we face NOW is Islam,
Islam is the only religion in the world the endorses violence
Soon now you'll look for me to blow me upr
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