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Steep:
It is not a contradiction. God is one in essence but three in person.
Allah in the Koran wants to be more than one person badly that he keeps using "we" everywhere. Again Muslims do not know the meaning of tawheed they say tawheed mean Allah is only one but tawheed actually means a unification of many things.
In the old testament God use the word "us" to describe himself.
The nation of Israel is called an "He" even though they are made up of many persons.

You made good point here,so my question is how do you see this verses; mat 26;39,mark10:17-18,john 5;30,44, mark12;29-34,john 17:3. mulsim sees this verses I wrote to be Jesus submitting to God almighty

MaxInDHouse:
Where were you when he asked questions?

That is your interpretation of I AM. Not mine.

sonmvayina:
Do you know what God is?..to begin with. To see that is even possible.

Please I would like to hear from you.

I don't know what God is but what He is not.

MightySparrow:
I don't know what God is but what He is not.

That is easy..
Go find out what God is...that is the real deal.
Hint: He does not look like any of his creations.

MaxInDHouse:
You need to know the Hebrew text translated "BREAD" in the Bible means.
It's FOOD and when Jesus said drink his blood he was talking about the source of life as recorded in the Bible book of Genesis 9:3-5

So Jesus is hereby telling us that if we want to continue living forever we need to continue taking instructions from him just as our body needs food daily and blood running in our system!

m!!,i don't understand the gen 9;3-5 that you are using to explain John 6:47-53 ?

sonmvayina:
Bullshit..

Isaiah is the one writing and talking.
God sent him with a new spirit to become his prophet.....
God is not a man. Isaiah was consulting the Oracle....


Stop manipulating..

The person speaking called himself the first and the Last, and said "I am he'
And also he is the one that created the heavens and the earth.
This is God speaking.
Isaiah 48:9 For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off. 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

sonmvayina:
That is easy..
Go find out what God is...that is the real deal.
Hint: He does not look like any of his creations.

You have seen God before?

Kingsempires:
m!!,i don't understand the gen 9;3-5 that you are using to explain John 6:47-53 ?

OK let's study it together.


But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.Genesis 9:4

What is the life in each living creature according to God's word above?

And what did Jesus say his blood will do for us?

MightySparrow:
That is your interpretation of I AM. Not mine.

Were you dead when he was asking questions about the TRINITY?
How come you refused to address his quest but it's when i'm discussing with him that you showed up not to address his question rather it's to face me?

Kingsempires:
You made good point here,so my question is how do you see this verses; mat 26;39,mark10:17-18,john 5;30,44, mark12;29-34,john 17:3. mulsim sees this verses I wrote to be Jesus submitting to God almighty

Yes Jesus submitted to the father, the purpose of Jesus coming is to be that perfect servant who offers himself as sacrifice for the salvation of the world, see this scripture below,

Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

What does the scripture say about a son and a servant.
Malachi 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Since Jesus is the Son and fulfills the role as a servant it makes sense that he submits to the father.

And also submitting to God means Jesus Completely trusted in the father.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

I am not sure what the question here is?
But let me guess Jesus prayed by falling to the ground, this is Jesus way of expressing his emotion, it does not mean we must fall to the ground to pray.
Jesus prayed that not his will but his father's will be done,
When Jesus incarnated he became a human but with 100% of his divinity intact. As a man he had a human will which is deferent from his father's will.

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus didn't say he was not good after all Jesus called himself the Good shepherd, Jesus was instead questioning the rationale behind the man calling him good because they say him as a mere man.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

First in the roles of the persons of the Trinity, so the office of the Son is dependent on the father.
Secondly as a servant he depends on his master.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

I have addressed this before, the word one is a plurality of unity.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

First, Jesus associated himself with God by including him into that which s necessary for salvation.
When Jesus declared the father as the only true God it does not exclude him and the Holy spirit because they are the true God.
Since the father, Son and Spirit are one God not separate Gods then what applies to the nature of the father also applies to the son and Spirit, so if the father is the only true God then the son and the Holy spirit are the only true God.

MaxInDHouse:
Were you dead when he was asking questions about the TRINITY?
How come you refused to address his quest but it's when i'm discussing with him that you showed up not to address his question rather it's to face me?

Because we are together nah.

MaxInDHouse:
OK let's study it together.


But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.Genesis 9:4

What is the life in each living creature according to God's word above?

And what did Jesus say his blood will do for us?

Jesus said that anyone who eat my flesh and drink my blood such not die but i don't still understand what you are explaining

MightySparrow:
You have seen God before?

Yes....I looked in a mirror.
And he looked back at me and smiled..
And said..
"You'll be ok"..keep going forward, I will always path the sea for you..

We all have God within us.....it is only covered by this dust(mud)..

Steep:
The person speaking called himself the first and the Last, and said "I am he'
And also he is the one that created the heavens and the earth.
This is God speaking.
Isaiah 48:9 For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off. 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

That's the Oracle(God) talking...and Isaiah in writing it down. Only Isaiah was consulting.....and writing the information God was giving...

Steep:
Yes Jesus submitted to the father, the purpose of Jesus coming is to be that perfect servant who offers himself as sacrifice for the salvation of the world, see this scripture below,

Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

What does the scripture say about a son and a servant.
Malachi 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Since Jesus is the Son and fulfills the role as a servant it makes sense that he submits to the father.

And also submitting to God means Jesus Completely trusted in the father.

How does a servant become a son?
You well so?
A distinction is made between son and servant you are saying something else..

The servant is the Isaiah 52 is Israel...I have told you several times....

Not jeebus

Kingsempires:
Jesus blood cleanse away the sins of the world but i don't still understand what you are explaining

So everybody is going to heaven

sonmvayina:
So everybody is going to heaven

some little mistake in my quoting i have corrected it.

Kingsempires:
Jesus said that anyone who eat my flesh and drink my blood such not die but i don't still understand what you are explaining

That's even worse and gross...ehau
Cannibalism whether pretend or real is only practiced in occult settings...

Like I said before, the idea was incorporated into the Christian literatures from mithraism...

Talk of wanting a single religion for your empire. So the Romans and Greeks incorporated ideas from multiple cults..

Run from it...I will create a thread where I will teach you the Torah ( God's divine laws) Not this contraption you call a belief system.

MightySparrow:
You have seen God before?

God is the universal divine consciousness...not a Jewish man that lives up in the sky..

sonmvayina:
God is the universal divine consciousness...not a Jewish man that lives up in the sky..

Well, that is your view about God.
What if you are wrong?

MightySparrow:
Well, that is your view about God.
What if you are wrong?

I am not...That is what the Bible is talking about at least the Tanakh..


I don't know about the Christian literatures..

Zaheertyler:
Let me make it easy for you to understand
The name is government but how does it manifest
Executive,legislative, judiciary
The three arms come together to form what is called government
All have their individual characteristics and importance but cannot function without each other

So what happened to the rest when Jesus died?

Michael547:
So what happened to the rest when Jesus died?

To what?

SharonLoveth:
Who said the Lord our God is not One? Are Christians claiming three Gods? Apply sense when typing next time!

What are Christians claiming?

MightySparrow:
.

So Jehovah said to become whatever He would as occasion demands? That is the Trinity we talk about.

Where did Jehovah say he was equal with his son?

Zaheertyler:
To what?

To the Father and holy spirit since you claim that the three must function together.

Steep:
It is not a contradiction. God is one in essence but three in person.
Allah in the Koran wants to be more than one person badly that he keeps using "we" everywhere. Again Muslims do not know the meaning of tawheed they say tawheed mean Allah is only one but tawheed actually means a unification of many things.
In the old testament God use the word "us" to describe himself.
The nation of Israel is called an "He" even though they are made up of many persons.
The word used to describe God's oneness in deuteronomy 6:4 is echad, and echad as used in th bible is a plural unity as against yachad which is singular unity.
When God said Adam and eve would become one flesh the word one is actually the echad which is the plural form of unity.
When the Yahweh went to Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy it, it was reported that Yahweh called down fire from yahweh out of heaven, meaning yahweh on earth called down fire from yahweh in heaven.
There is a particular entity called "The Angel of the Lord" in the old testament, he his God, he speaks as yahweh and at the say time he is distinguished from yahweh.
In Isaiah 48:16, the person taking is God speaking but he distinguished himself from the Lord God and the Spirit.
Note the Spirit is placed on the same personhood with the Lord God but yet the spirit is distinct from the Lord God.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

From this verses it is clear that they are three persons
1. Is the God that is speaking
2. The Lord God that is sending God
3. The spirit of God who is also sending God along with the Lord God.
All three are the same God but different persons.
The Trinity is in the old testament right from Genesis 1.

Since they are three persons, what are their names?

Michael547:
To the Father and holy spirit since you claim that the three must function together.

You misunderstand

Kingsempires:
Jesus said that anyone who eat my flesh and drink my blood such not die but i don't still understand what you are explaining.

Why do we eat food and drink water?

Zaheertyler:
You misunderstand

Explain

MightySparrow:
Because we are together nah.

You and who are together?

I have told you a thousand times that you and i aren't on the same page, have you seen Michael547 and i disagreeing with each other?
Well that shows Michael547 and i are together in the spirit but as for you i don't know you so next time don't quote me!

MaxInDHouse:
You and who are together?

I have told you a thousand times that you and i aren't on the same page, have you seen Michael547 and i disagreeing with each other?
Well that shows Michael547 and i are together in the spirit but as for you i don't know you so next time don't quote me!

arh!! Arh!!, na wetin ?