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Michael547:
Since they are three persons, what are their names?

Janosky:

Oga Steep, your own Bible did not say that the Most High Yahweh is "US." Not in Genesis.
"Himself" can't be 3 distinct persons you are worshipping, according to your doctrine.

Steep:
Jehovah

BitterPost:
Question :Does the bible have scriptures describing Jesus christ as a God (with capital G) ?
Answer : Yes

Question: Despite being a God, (with capital G) did Jesus ever equate himself with the father?
Answer : NO.

Proof :


Question : Why is Jesus Described as a God, with capital G?
Answer :


Question : Why did Jesus say I and the father are ONE?
Answer : The context of John 10:30 is important for understanding the significance of Jesus’ words. In the preceding verses, Jesus speaks about His role as the Good Shepherd, who gives eternal life to His sheep and protects them. He says that no one can snatch His sheep out of His hand or the Father's hand.This leads to the declaration that He and the Father are one, reinforcing their joint sovereignty and care over believers.

Janosky:

Oga Steep, your own Bible did not say that the Most High Yahweh is "US." Not in Genesis.
"Himself" can't be 3 distinct persons you are worshipping, according to your doctrine.

Kingsempires:
i don't understand your point. Are you for the trinity or against?

Steep:
The nation of Israel is called an "He" even though they are made up of many persons.
The word used to describe God's oneness in deuteronomy 6:4 is echad, and echad as used in th bible is a plural unity as against yachad which is singular unity.
When God said Adam and eve would become one flesh the word one is actually the echad which is the plural form of unity.

Michael547:
Is Jehovah and Jesus the same person?

Janosky:
Did your own Bible says that Israel is one being?
Israel personified as "He", doesn't support trinity.


When the Yahweh went to Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy it, it was reported that Yahweh called down fire from yahweh out of heaven, meaning yahweh on earth called down fire from yahweh in heaven.
There is a particular entity called "The Angel of the Lord" in the old testament, he his God, he speaks as yahweh and at the say time he is distinguished from yahweh.
In Isaiah 48:16, the person taking is God speaking but he distinguished himself from the Lord God and the Spirit.
Note the Spirit is placed on the same personhood with the Lord God but yet the spirit is distinct from the Lord God.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

From this verses it is clear that they are three persons
1. Is the God that is speaking
2. The Lord God that is sending God
3. The spirit of God who is also sending God along with the Lord God.
All three are the same God but different persons.
The Trinity is in the old testament right from Genesis 1.

[b]
The prophet Isaiah is a Jew,he never claimed that the God of Israel & another spirit together "sent me".
You are just desperate to contradict Isaiah prophecy fulfilled @Matthew 12:15-18.
Oga Steep,Isaiah 6:6-8 is in your own Bible
Scriptures interpret scriptures but Trinitarians use scriptures to contradict scriptures.

John 5:44

New International Version
How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

New Living Translation
No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.

English Standard Version
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

The word "ONLY God" is the game changer.

The Supreme Being in heaven is the ONLY God. John

Steep:
Jehovah is a name shared by all three persons of the God head, in other words yahweh is a multipersonal being and the particular person that became Jesus is yahweh the word.

Kingsempires:
i don't understand your point. Are you for the trinity or against?

Steep:
Jehovah is a name shared by all three persons of the God head, in other words yahweh is a multipersonal being and the particular person that became Jesus is yahweh the word.

StillDtruth:
In this case yes. He is catholic so he should know where and how and why it originated

Kingsempires:
Men!!,I didn't grow up in catholic.i became catholic not many year ago that is why I ask questions.can you see the way steep gave many point also maxinhouse gave me his point too .like I say am not fighting anyboby here,so if you have point you can give me

Janosky:
Psalm 83:18 says NO in capital letters.

John 5:44 , Jesus Christ says NO in capital letters.

MaxInDHouse:
He is one of the GOATS as he has learned a lot from Jehovah's Witnesses but just as GOATS don't like being organized he wants to run his own faith privately that's why he is using JWs teaching but he can't associate with any church!

Steep:
When the Yahweh went to Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy it, it was reported that Yahweh called down fire from yahweh out of heaven, meaning yahweh on earth called down fire from yahweh in heaven.

Steep:
There is a particular entity called "The Angel of the Lord" in the old testament, he his God, he speaks as yahweh and at the say time he is distinguished from yahweh.

Steep:
In Isaiah 48:16, the person taking is God speaking but he distinguished himself from the Lord God and the Spirit.
Note the Spirit is placed on the same personhood with the Lord God but yet the spirit is distinct from the Lord God.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

From this verses it is clear that they are three persons
1. Is the God that is speaking
2. The Lord God that is sending God
3. The spirit of God who is also sending God along with the Lord God.
All three are the same God but different persons.
The Trinity is in the old testament right from Genesis 1.

Oga Steep,Isaiah 6:6-8 is in your own Bible
Scriptures interpret scriptures but Trinitarians use scriptures to contradict scriptures.

Michael547:
So who is the JEHOVAH in Psalms 83:18 in the screenshot below and who is the one speaking in John 14:28? How do we connect the two verses?

Kingsempires:
Is like he thosen't understand my thread his given me two different answer

Steep:
Psalm 83:18 is a prophecy about the future when Jesus his Lord will sit at Jehovah's right hand.
Who is David Lord?
Psalms 16:2 O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;
Jehovah is David's Lord.

Steep:
Jehovah in psalm 83:18 is the father but again David identified his Lord as Jehovah.
Psalms 16:2 O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;

MaxInDHouse:
He is confused as he wants to answer according to what Jehovah's Witnesses taught him but at the same time he wants to criticize the same organization that taught him so he is stuck in the middle not knowing whether to go right or left!

Michael547:
So where did Jesus identify himself as Jehovah if Psalms 83:18 is referring to the father?

Steep:
Jehovah in psalm 83:18 is the father but again David identified his Lord as Jehovah.
Psalms 16:2 O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;

Janosky:
Oga Steep response is getting somewhere & proven something... That Trinity nah man made scam.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why the New World Translation of Holly Scriptures (published by the WATCHTOWER) is the best version of the Bible.


Here is what you don't know!

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet" Psalms 110:1 ~NWT

Compare to:

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.Psalms 110:1 ~KJV

So anywhere you see the title LORD in the Old Testament it's the divine name JEHOVAH that supposed to be there.

David is the one and only prophet who referred to the future Messiah as "Lord" and it's only in Psalms 110:1 other prophets like Moses referred to the Christ as "Prophet" Deuteronomy 18:18 Compare to Act 3:21-23

Steep:
Gen 1 vv 26

Janosky:
Psalm 103:20 = John 5:43
No Sir, according to Psalm 103:20.
Angels came to the earth in the name of Yahweh to carry out the God given assignment.
The same manner Jesus Christ carried out Yahweh's assignment @ John 14:24 & John 5:43 in the name of Yahweh his Father.

Your Trinitarian mentors confessed that Jesus Christ is that angel of Yahweh (the LORD) @ Genesis 16:7. Amplified Bible. Geneva Bible 1599.

Isaiah 48:16, is the prophet Isaiah a Jew?
Yes.
Did Isaiah nor any Jew claimed that the God of Israel & another spirit together "sent me" @ Isaiah 48:16?
No !!!

Oga,you are just desperate to contradict Isaiah prophecy fulfilled @Matthew 12:15-18.
Oga Steep,Isaiah 6:6-8 is in your own Bible
Scriptures interpret scriptures but Trinitarians use scriptures to contradict scriptures.

John 5:44

New International Version
How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

New Living Translation
No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.

English Standard Version
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

The word "ONLY God" is the game changer.

The Supreme Being in heaven is the ONLY God. John5:44

Kingsempires:
In JWS bible,why is "LORD" removed for most places in your bible and change to "JEHOVAH" ?

Kingsempires:
In JWS bible,why is "LORD" removed for most places in your bible and change to "JEHOVAH" ?

Janosky:
In the Bible,YHWH (which is God's name Jehovah/Yahweh) was replaced with "the LORD" written in capital letters.

To confirm this fact Google "Psalm 83:18 or Psalm 110:1 biblehub"

Please Sir, remember to screenshot the evidence on this thread.

Steep:
Jehovah in psalm 83:18 is the father but again David identified his Lord as Jehovah.
Psalms 16:2 O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;