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This is a serious reason my people cannot be Muslims because this is an act of committing abomination in my tradition and are regarded as incest.

Can Muslim explain why Allah permit them in Koran Sura an Nissa 4 vs 23 to marry their stepdaughter and Uncle daughters, that is to marry a daughter of your father brother or mother brother or an adopted girl child which is your daughter or marry your adopted son wife if they divorce. Prophet Mohammed married his brother daughter Zainab and his adopted son wife.

Odingo1:
This is a serious reason my people cannot be Muslims because this is an act of committing abomination in my tradition and are regarded as incest.

Yeah but they can be christains where exactly the same thing happens🙄

Lucifyre:
Yeah but they can be christains where exactly the same thing happens🙄

It is not permitted in Christian Bible to marry your Uncle daughter which is marrying your father brother daughter and also marrying your stepdaughter is prohibited, that goes along with our cultural traditions. In our tradition if you do that you will be ostracised from community because you have desecrated our land in committing abomination.

Odingo1:
This is a serious reason my people cannot be Muslims because this is an act of committing abomination in my tradition and are regarded as incest.

Can Muslim explain why Allah permit them in Koran Sura an Nissa 4 vs 23 to marry their stepdaughter and Uncle daughters, that is to marry a daughter of your father brother or mother brother or an adopted girl child which is your daughter or marry your adopted son wife if they divorce. Prophet Mohammed married his brother daughter Zainab and his adopted son wife.

Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

Seems your own problem is who is marrying who

Qasim6:
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

Seems your own problem is who is marrying who

That who is marrying who is abominable in our land, why will a religion that it prophet claim to hear from god permit such dirty marriage. My question is why should Alla permit such marriages

Odingo1:
That who is marrying who is abominable in our land, why will a religion that it prophet claim to hear from god permit such dirty marriage. My question is why should Alla permit such marriages

so were you a Muslim before or you were trying to convert to Muslim so that chapter and verse makes you to condenm Islam?

Kingsempires:
so were you a Muslim before or you were trying to convert to Muslim so that chapter and verse makes you to condenm Islam?

I am researching on Islam to know if it is better than other religions and I found those disgusting permissions for marriage. I begin to wonder if Koran actually came from god or just a copied work from previous religious books by prophet Mohammed. It is a serious abomination to have sexual relations or marriage with your father brother daughters because they are your blood sisters or your stepdaughter ( that is your child ) or stepson wife (that is your son wife). In my tradition you can’t marry your relatives to talk more of your Uncle daughters, that is height of perversion.

Aren’t these practices disgusting

Odingo1:
That who is marrying who is abominable in our land, why will a religion that it prophet claim to hear from god permit such dirty marriage. My question is why should Alla permit such marriages

Ok no problem.

Kindly quote Qur'an 4:23 here and let's see.

Odingo1:
I am researching on Islam to know if it is better than other religions and I found those disgusting permissions for marriage.

if you are looking for the best religion the true is that Christianity is the best religion why!! Because Christianity teaching is mostly on Love, The love God have for us that he sent his only begotten son to dies for our sin, love your enemies even pray for them ,Matthew 5:38-48 New International Version (NIV)

' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. So where it get sad is that out of 100% people that are christian I will say that only 5% practice true Christianity.

If it comes to marriage in Christianity there is no dirty practice like that

As for Islam that is practicing that is left for them

Qasim6:
Ok no problem.

Kindly quote Qur'an 4:23 here and let's see.

Attached is the quote, that is why prophet Mohammed married his Uncle daughter and after that he also married his adopted son wife Zaynab.

Kingsempires:
if you are looking for the best religion the true is that Christianity is the best religion why!! Because Christianity teaching is mostly on Love, The love God have for us that he sent his only begotten son to dies for our sin, love your enemies even pray for them ,Matthew 5:38-48 New International Version (NIV)

' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. So where it get sad is that out of 100% people that are christian I will say that only 5% practice true Christianity.

If it comes to marriage in Christianity there is no dirty practice like that

As for Islam that is practicing that is left for them

Ok still researching and comparing

Odingo1:
Attached is the quote, that is why prophet Mohammed married his Uncle daughter and after that he also married his adopted son wife Zaynab.

But step daughters are mentioned in verse

Qasim6:
But step daughters are mentioned in verse

The verse said that you can marry your stepdaughter if you did not marry the mother before. Read it again slowly.

Odingo1:
The verse said that you can marry your stepdaughter if you did not marry the mother before. Read it again slowly.

So if you did not marry the mother of a lady before, how is the lady your stepdaughter?

What the verse is talking about is if you have consummated a marriage with a woman then you can't marry her daughter again.

Odingo1:
The verse said that you can marry your stepdaughter if you did not marry the mother before. Read it again slowly.

And for the cousins part, yeah it is permissible.
It is not something peculiar to Islam, some cultures do permit that.

But if your cultures does not permit it, then stay away from it.

Qasim6:
So if you did not marry the mother of a lady before, how is the lady your stepdaughter?

What the verse is talking about is if you have consummated a marriage with a woman then you can't marry her daughter again.

If you adopt a child, it is a taboo to marry her later when she grow up.

Qasim6:
And for the cousins part, yeah it is permissible.
It is not something peculiar to Islam, some cultures do permit that.

But if your cultures does not permit it, then stay away from it.

Why will Koran not know that the act is not good even scientifically it breeds genetic disorder diseases in children. Now why will my ancestors know better than the Koran that claim that the book came from god through Mohammed.

Odingo1:
Why will Koran not know that the act is not good even scientifically it breeds genetic disorder diseases in children. Now why will my ancestors know better than the Koran that claim that the book came from god through Mohammed.

don't worry Qasim 6 is a confirm Muslim he will explain for you very well what the Koran meant

@Qasim why bother answering these questions of questionable intent? They obviously are not from an asking position but mere hateful jest.

Cousin marriages have been a notable aspect of the British monarchy, particularly as a means of consolidating power and maintaining royal bloodlines. This practice has historical roots that can be traced back several generations, with various members of the royal family marrying their cousins for political alliances and to preserve the purity of their lineage.

While there are some increased risks associated with consanguinity (the practice of marrying within one’s blood relatives), these risks are often overstated and can be considered minimal in many contexts.

In Islam, marrying one's stepdaughter, whether before or after the consummation of marriage with her mother, is not permissible and is considered forbidden (haram) in Islamic law. The relationship between a stepfather and stepdaughter is considered to be one of mahram (non-marriageable kin), and it is prohibited for them to marry each other under any circumstances.

The verse 4:23 says prohibited.

Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your stepdaughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in.

honesttalk21:
@Qasim why bother answering these questions of questionable intent? They obviously are not from an asking position but mere hateful jest.

Cousin marriages have been a notable aspect of the British monarchy, particularly as a means of consolidating power and maintaining royal bloodlines. This practice has historical roots that can be traced back several generations, with various members of the royal family marrying their cousins for political alliances and to preserve the purity of their lineage.

While there are some increased risks associated with consanguinity (the practice of marrying within one’s blood relatives), these risks are often overstated and can be considered minimal in many contexts.

In Islam, marrying one's stepdaughter, whether before or after the consummation of marriage with her mother, is not permissible and is considered forbidden (haram) in Islamic law. The relationship between a stepfather and stepdaughter is considered to be one of mahram (non-marriageable kin), and it is prohibited for them to marry each other under any circumstances.

The verse 4:23 says prohibited.

Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your stepdaughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in.

That is not what verse 4:23 said, attached is what the verse said, you are adding your own. The question is not about whether British or elsewhere culture is doing it. The contention is why will a Koran book that was claimed to come from god allow such despicable practices of marring your uncle daughter that have medical disorder implications and also a stepdaughter or divorced adopted son wife as practiced by prophet Mohammed.

Odingo1:
That is not what verse 4:23 said, attached is what the verse said, you are adding your own. The question is not about whether British or elsewhere culture is doing it. The contention is why will a Koran book that was claimed to come from god allow such despicable practices of marring your uncle daughter that have medical disorder implications and also a stepdaughter or divorced adopted son wife as practiced by prophet Mohammed.

Do you kno the risk is 3% in unrelated couples and around 4-6% in Cousins marriage?

Are we not going to marry again since the risk is also present in unrelated couples?

Yeah, it is permitted. But if you are not cool with it then stay away. You are only looking at it from the perspective of your own culture. Some cultures are cool with it.

Odingo1:
That is not what verse 4:23 said, attached is what the verse said, you are adding your own. The question is not about whether British or elsewhere culture is doing it. The contention is why will a Koran book that was claimed to come from god allow such despicable practices of marring your uncle daughter that have medical disorder implications and also a stepdaughter or divorced adopted son wife as practiced by prophet Mohammed.

It will do you good to look at other translations of the same verse of the Quran.
There is mistake made in this translation.

If I may ask you what then happens when you consumate the marriage with the mother of your stepdaughter?

I have in my earlier reply pointed out the practices of marrying cousins which has occurred frequently in the British monarchy who are not Muslims.

I have also pointed to the medical exaggeration of the risks

Odingo1:
It is not permitted in Christian Bible to marry your Uncle daughter which is marrying your father brother daughter and also marrying your stepdaughter is prohibited, that goes along with our cultural traditions. In our tradition if you do that you will be ostracised from community because you have desecrated our land in committing abomination.

I don't know if this is plain ignorance or hypocrisy. Who did Abraham marry? Who did Abraham's brother marry? who did Jacob marry? Who did Esau marry? who did Isaac marry? Who did Adam's other children marry? Who did Cain marry,? Who did Noah's grand children marry? Who did Moses' father marry? Who did Judah marry? Was the world not populated and repopulated through incest according to your bible? So what are you saying.

Qasim6:
Do you kno the risk is 3% in unrelated couples and around 4-6% in Cousins marriage?

Are we not going to marry again since the risk is also present in unrelated couples?

Yeah, it is permitted. But if you are not cool with it then stay away. You are only looking at it from the perspective of your own culture. Some cultures are cool with it.

Then why will my ancestors know better than the Koran, because in my cultural tradition, that is one of the highest abominable incest one can commit. As far as the risk is greater than 1% that is much. I am yet to see a culture that permit someone to marry adopted son wife if they divorce.

honesttalk21:
It will do you good to look at other translations of the same verse of the Quran.
There is mistake made in this translation.

If I may ask you what then happens when you consumate the marriage with the mother of your stepdaughter?

I have in my earlier reply pointed out the practices of marrying cousins which has occurred frequently in the British monarchy who are not Muslims.

I have also pointed to the medical exaggeration of the risks

The permission is not to marry stepdaughter mother, is to marry a stepdaughter herself which regard you earlier as his father when she was growing up.

Lucifyre:
I don't know if this is plain ignorance or hypocrisy. Who did Abraham marry? Who did Abraham's brother marry? who did Jacob marry? Who did Esau marry? who did Isaac marry? Who did Adam's other children marry? Who did Cain marry,? Who did Noah's grand children marry? Who did Moses' father marry? Who did Judah marry? Was the world not populated and repopulated through incest according to your bible? So what are you saying.

My research on Christian Bible shows that the act was prohibited by Moses on their way to promise land. It is forbidden for them to marry their uncle daughter or stepdaughter.
Leviticus 20:17-21 and Deuteronomy 27:20-23 clearly prohibited those practices for the Jews.

Odingo1:
Then why will my ancestors know better than the Koran, because in my cultural tradition, that is one of the highest abominable incest one can commit. As far as the risk is greater than 1% that is much. I am yet to see a culture that permit someone to marry adopted son wife if they divorce.

why do you think your culture is the best? And why do think whatever your culture frown at should be frown at every where.

Guy u don already open thread for adopted son wife, I commented on the thread. I have given my opinion on the thread. If you are not ok with it, so be it.

Odingo1:
The permission is not to marry stepdaughter mother, is to marry a stepdaughter herself which regard you earlier as his father when she was growing up.

You will be better off doing your research outside nairaland.

The stepdaughter raised in your house or her father's house is prohibited to you to marry.

Odingo1:
My research on Christian Bible shows that the act was prohibited by Moses on their way to promise land. It is forbidden for them to marry their uncle daughter or stepdaughter.
Leviticus 20:17-21 and Deuteronomy 27:20-23 clearly prohibited those practices for the Jews.

Are u now making things up?

None of the Leveticus and the Deuteronomy u are referencing forbid cousins marriage, infact cousins marriage is a practice common among Jews too.

The Bible does not forbid marriage between cousins.

Odingo1:
Then why will my ancestors know better than the Koran, because in my cultural tradition, that is one of the highest abominable incest one can commit. As far as the risk is greater than 1% that is much. I am yet to see a culture that permit someone to marry adopted son wife if they divorce.

Then you need to research more.

Petalss:
Then you need to research more.

But can’t a god book do better even if another culture is practicing it. Is that morally right in your own thinking without being biased.

Odingo1:
My research on Christian Bible shows that the act was prohibited by Moses on their way to promise land. It is forbidden for them to marry their uncle daughter or stepdaughter.
Leviticus 20:17-21 and Deuteronomy 27:20-23 clearly prohibited those practices for the Jews.

I should desist from replying you as I have adviced my brother however we should try to correct your misunderstanding as much as we can since you bring it to public view.

Leviticus 20:17-21 do not mention cousins. The focus is primarily on immediate family members such as parents, siblings, and children.

Deuteronomy 27:20-23 too lays emphasis on direct familial relationships rather than extended family where cousins come in.